Mafia 123 - Outdoorsmen Mafia 2 GAME OVER

[iamausername]

Try actually reading my posts? #53 and #116 state pretty unequivocally that Guderian was town. Dumb town, but town nonetheless.

[SharkFinn]

Well, I'm trying to figure out what to post as a catchup, but nothing has really happened since I've been gone, so that's kind of difficult. Well, DGB turned up, that's always good. She looks like town DGB so far, I think.

Dearest Moderator, the following people are distinctly in need of prod/replacement:

Untrod Tripod
werewolf333

I don't think either of them are currently slated for replacement, and neither have posted in almost a week.

Unvote

VOTE: werewolf

I think we should wagon this guy just to see if he even notices.

Iam: explain this post for me.

It led to 3 other votes on werewolf immediately.

[don_johnson]

you guys suck. i'm actually gonna have to reread this thread. gut says DH is dinal scum. shark # 2. iam is town.

[SharkFinn]

I sooo want it to be DH but idk, my arguments about both are the same.

Both buddied with Calcifer off the bat.
Both have "setup lynches"
One's just been more active than the other.
But the inactive one is more genuine.

>_<

[DemonHybrid]

Try actually reading my posts? #53 and #116 state pretty unequivocally that Guderian was town. Dumb town, but town nonetheless.

I apologize then, I must have remembered something else and I skipped it slightly in the ISO.

[iamausername]

Iam: explain this post for me.

OK!

Well, I'm trying to figure out what to post as a catchup, but nothing has really happened since I've been gone, so that's kind of difficult.

I had been away for a few days, and so I felt like I needed to post something, but struggled to find anything worth commenting on in the time I was away.

Well, DGB turned up, that's always good. She looks like town DGB so far, I think.

I like DGB, so I was happy that she replaced in. I incorrectly read her as town.

Dearest Moderator, the following people are distinctly in need of prod/replacement:

Untrod Tripod
werewolf333

I don't think either of them are currently slated for replacement, and neither have posted in almost a week.

I really hope this part is self explanatory, because I really don't think I can word it any clearer than that..

Unvote

VOTE: werewolf

I think we should wagon this guy just to see if he even notices.

Presumably the part you are struggling with. See also this previous post:

werewolf, do you plan to ever make a post that isn't just repeating the last post in the thread?

for further explanation.

werewolf gave every appearance that he was coasting by without even really reading the thread (hence my "see if he even notices" comment). I felt that this was something that needed to be dealt with sooner rather than later.

It led to 3 other votes on werewolf immediately.

Even if I was scum, I wouldn't have mind control powers, so this is not something that would be within my control either way. It did take me by surprise how quickly the votes appeared, considering how indifferent everyone was to Untrod Tripod's equally egregious lurking, but since getting votes on werewolf in order to force him to actually play the game was my aim, I didn't complain. I don't feel guilty about that, and I would do the same thing now. werewolf needed pressure. The fact that I incorrectly saw his reaction to that pressure as scummy and didn't withdraw from the wagon, that part is where I went wrong. Not in starting the wagon in the first place.

[SharkFinn]

^ I like this post.

[SharkFinn]

The reason I brought up the post is that you requested a prod on 2 players, but vote for one of those you prodded, which seems odd, but I like your answer.

Vote DemonHybrid

Doubt has been removed.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm wondering why you asked Iam about his posts and not me =|

[SharkFinn]

I'm wondering why you asked Iam about his posts and not me =|

I already established a mixed read on you. I had a null read on him.

[iamausername]

OK, I must profess to feeling a little concerned about the fact that as soon as don says he's thinking DH is most likely scum and I'm town, Shark suddenly loses his doubts about me and votes for DH. That's a bit of a big coincidence to swallow.

[DemonHybrid]

Guess I'm cast in the wind here.

I'll let you guys decide, I suppose. To be honest, I can't decide against you two, and I obviously don't really have a say.

[SharkFinn]

OK, I must profess to feeling a little concerned about the fact that as soon as don says he's thinking DH is most likely scum and I'm town, Shark suddenly loses his doubts about me and votes for DH. That's a bit of a big coincidence to swallow.

Fair argument. I did feel better with Don Jon calling you town.

I do not like DH's post as he does have some say. He needs to decide if he believes iam is town or I am. (of course it doesnt affect me as I still think DH is slightly scummier)

I'll also say this is dragging out way too long, imo. We need activity and the only way its happening is by votes.

[DemonHybrid]

No, I really don't; in a situation like this, it's really up to the confirmed town to help steer things along and do some analysis. In this current situation, both Iam and I are known to have supported Calcifer/Nacho's position. Both of us have had a lack of interaction with Parama. Both of us pushed EPM. And then the question of botched results in relation to a potential godfather comes up in regards to you, Shark.

That's where we're at right now, and what can Iam, you or I do about it? The actions are set in stone, and I think that at this point, no matter what, trying to convince others that the play is justified (not counting inquiries from don) really doesn't do anything, or it might even make things look worse.

You ask me questions, you'll get answers. Until then, I really have nothing to say. Iam and my play have been nearly identical in regards to the flipped scum already.

[DemonHybrid]

I did some thinking. I'm going to go out on a limb and vote Shark for this reason alone:

don seems pretty certain at this point that I am scum. I think that if Iam was scum, he would have given whatever reasoning and try to coax don into voting for me, since it would be a pretty easy push. Iam is a pretty smart player, and him not doing that is a huge town tell to me. I just think it's easier for scum to make the first move in a stalled move like this and in a somewhat good position like Shark is and I think scum Iam would have pulled the trigger by now.

Just my 2 cents. Take it or leave it.

Vote: SharkFinn

[DemonHybrid]

Also, food for thought:

I'm becoming increasingly certain of a godfather at this point. Eastern flipped two goons and a bulletproof.

Western flipped two goons, but no PR yet, so I'm willing to fully accept a godfather at this point.

It's been a day and a half since Shark voted me, and two posts from iam later, there's no vote on me or coaxing of don. Hell, there has even been some suspicion thrown Shark's way. I'm liking a Shark godfather, and I'm liking Iam town.

Can't really say much else at this point.

[iamausername]

Both of us have had a lack of interaction with Parama.

And now you've got to go throwing in a mistake that's comparable to Shark's one yesterday, just to confuse me even more.

Parama was on the Eastern team, as in the one that we've eliminated entirely, so a lack of interacton with him doesn't mean anything. RossWilliam/Battle Mage was the other Western scum besides Calcifer.

I definitely need to read through this game again. It's a really tough one to call.

[DemonHybrid]

Earlier in the game, iam.

[DemonHybrid]

Actually, yeah, I was being dumb and I have no clue why I made that comparison. Ignore that point, then.

This game has been really grating on my mafia morale. -_-

[DemonHybrid]

Basically, I was just trying to make a point that our play has been nearly identical in the early game, and it wasn't a statement on team speculation. I know it seems like a retarded point to make, and it is, but we did play pretty identically with the exception of having one or two split reads in the early game.

Anyway, carry on.

[iamausername]

DH, I found a book about your situation



hope this helps

hugs and kisses,
Untrod

Shark, what do you think of this post? I know you can't read your predecessor's mind, but what do you think he was trying to achieve with it?

[iamausername]

Vote: Nacho

- He wasn't originally aware of there being two scum factions.

Nothing that he talked about involved one scum faction total and you can't honestly prove that he had that in mind regardless. Can you contribute more?

DH, why did you feel the need to jump to Nacho's defence here? If you read Nacho's posts again now, with the benefit of hindsight, do you still think there's nothing in them that indicates that he wasn't aware of there being two scum teams?

[iamausername]

Looking at Battle Mage's posts, he heavily bussed Calcifer, said absolutely nothing about Untrod Tripod, commented a lot on DH without really giving a solid conclusion. I think this could be very useful information.

Gonna check out some scum meta to see if he's more likely to ignore his buddies or talk about them excessively even if he has nothing much to say.

[iamausername]

Battle Mage scum games:

Open #242 - Scumbuddies were Super Smash Bros. Fan and Haylen. Got into a drawn out argument with SSBF that looks a lot like his interactions with Calcifer here. Avoids mentioning Haylen early on, and gives a straight up no messing town read when he's forced to comment on her by the shrinking player list. And then busses once it's 100% proved that at least one of him and Haylen has to be scum, but that's not really relevant.

Mini #977 - Busses his one and only buddy from the get go. Not very useful, we already know Calcifer was his buddy.

Mafia #92 - Ignored all three of his buddies entirely, besides bussing when cop claimed a guilty on one of them.

Dark Goma - Scumbuddies were tubby, Porkens/LlamaFluff, Kublai Khan and dramonic. A little bit of fluffy pointless conversation with tubby in the early stages. Votes for all of tubby, KK and dram at one stage or other. Dram gets the heavy bus, the other two get mostly ignored once he finds an excuse to vote elsewhere. No comments on Porkens/Llama whatsoever.

Yeah, Battle Mage meta strongly suggests Shark scum here. In every one of these games, he either busses heavily, calls them straight up town, or ignores them entirely. There's none of the wishy-washy fence-sitting that he did with DH in this game.

[Haylen]

VOTE COUNT!

Sharkie: DemonHybrid
DemonHybrid: Sharkie

Not Voting: Iamusername, Don_Johnson

How many votes to lynch?

3/4

When is deadline?

Sunday 6th March, 9pm GMT time.