Mafia 123 - Outdoorsmen Mafia 2 GAME OVER

[SharkFinn]

In light of VCA, yes.
Still want you dead, though.

QFT

[DemonHybrid]

In light of VCA, yes.
Still want you dead, though.

Cool. For a second, I was going to vote you.

If I am today's lynch, leave Parama alone, please.

Vote: nhammen

. Probable Western Mafia. Battle Mage mentioned him in the first post when replacing in which may be a large tell.

[SharkFinn]

In light of VCA, yes.
Still want you dead, though.

Cool. For a second, I was going to vote you.

If I am today's lynch, leave Parama alone, please.

Vote: nhammen

. Probable Western Mafia. Battle Mage mentioned him in the first post when replacing in which may be a large tell.

And if you happen to not be today's lynch (which you will probably be), what does that mean about Parama?

[DemonHybrid]

I...still think he's town regardless?

[Empking]

Parama and Calacifer are the scum. Calling it now.

Vote: Calc

[bvoigt]

I will support an nhammen lynch tomorrow.

UNVOTE: DemonHybrid
VOTE: evilpacman13

I'm more convinced that EPM is scum, and I think my previous vote has served its purpose.

bvoigt: Your votes on evilpacman13 when he was lynched had no reasoning to it, aside from bandwagoning. What exactly made evilpacman scummy and why did you make the first post about nhammen, yet completely abandon it both days.

The first post was made during twilight D1, when werewolf had claimed scum. And yeah, I know my EPM vote was sheeping. The main actual reasons were his excuses for active lurking and link to Ender (iamausername's ISO #11).

[Parama]

Parama and Calacifer are the scum. Calling it now.

Vote: Calc

Lol.
LOoooOooOol. Emp just claimed scum.

[don_johnson]

sad to see drk go. he had his shit together.

vote: nhammen

for now.

in other news...

GO PACK GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DemonHybrid]

By the way, is it better for the other Mason to come out now? Or wait until the next day?

Legitimate inquiry. A confirmed townie would do us a world of good, but not with two/three easy lynches on the line, including myself.

[nhammen]

Seeing as how Calcifer was right about EPM, I am adding major scumpoints to both players that said that Calcifer was on to something, and then voted for a lurker. However, a four person scumteam is highly improbable in a game this size, so I'm going to guess only one of them is scum. At this point in time, I suspect it to be bvoigt.

KEY:
Green = town
Red = eastern
Purple = western

Votecount #1 - The "I'm back on track" votecount.

DemonHybrid - UntrodTripod,

Guderian

, nhammen (3)

evilpacman8

- Nachomamma8, Demonhybrid, iamausername, Parama (4)
UntrodTripod - tylerjarvis (1)

Well... I think this is a good starting point for DH-western

Could you explain this one? I understood all of your other vote count comments, but I'm curious as to what about this first count implicates DH as scum.

SensFan

tylerjarvis

don_johnson

4computer

SharkFinn

Untrod Tripod

Unless all 3 Eastern Mafia were on the werewolf wagon, one of these guys is the final Eastern Mafia.

This looks like honest analysis. This doesn't mesh with my bvoigt=Eastern suspicions. Will require thought.

Question: Did you factor in the fact that I hammered the 2nd eastern mafia member? Of course he outed himself and hammering was pretty much the best move for me (town/scum). I'm just wondering if that factor'd in?

Holy crap! Shark's reply to bvoigt looks pretty bad. Hey, did you make sure to notice that I hammered my buddy for towncred? Did ya? Then again, I don't imagine any scum player being this overt. They tend to be much more subtle than that. So, for now, this shall only be considered bad play and not scum play.

Would you clear me of Eastern mafia?

I am curious as to what brought out this particular question.

In light of VCA, yes.
Still want you dead, though.

Cool. For a second, I was going to vote you.

OK, I'd like to know this as well.

Vote: nhammen

. Probable Western Mafia. Battle Mage mentioned him in the first post when replacing in which may be a large tell.

Sigh. Two scumteams. Fake hunting doesn't happen, until one team is eliminated. Unless it is drawing fake connections between a partner and another non-partner player apparently, lol.

Parama and Calacifer are the scum. Calling it now.

Vote: Calc

Reasons? I'm very very curious.

And yeah, I know my EPM vote was sheeping. The main actual reasons were his excuses for active lurking and link to Ender (iamausername's ISO #11).

A) You acknowledge that it was sheeping. Why weren't you trying to find out your own cases instead of following others? B) Why didn't you give these reasons along with that vote?

vote: nhammen

for now.

Reasons?

By the way, is it better for the other Mason to come out now? Or wait until the next day?

Legitimate inquiry. A confirmed townie would do us a world of good, but not with two/three easy lynches on the line, including myself.

The only reason for any mason to claim soon is if there is a realistic possibility they will be killed, and then scum come forward claiming to be a third member of what is actually a 2 member mason group. In other words, if the mason is a likely night kill, and that mason is the only member of the group left.

[nhammen]

Fake hunting doesn't happen, until one team is eliminated. Unless it is drawing fake connections between a partner and another non-partner player

My vote will probably go to DH. Needless to say, if he flips scum, Parama next, no discussion.

Hello there.
VOTE: DH

[nhammen]

Early Battle Mage (fake?) connection suspicions:

If Nhammen is scum, maybe DemonH is scum too.

This one is the wrong way around, but is another example.

Parama-EPM duo works. DH maybe mafia. Actually, DH and Nhammen?

Here. He could be trying to saturate the thread with these connections, since this is soon after Calcifer pointed out DGB's false connections. On the other hand, note the inclusion of DH again.

Still favoring DH scum.

[SharkFinn]

Parama and Calacifer are the scum. Calling it now.

Vote: Calc

I know I am going to get absolutely nothing, but might as well ask. How are Parama and Calacifer connected? Or are they separate scum? Why so?

Parama and Calacifer are the scum. Calling it now.

Vote: Calc

Lol.
LOoooOooOol. Emp just claimed scum.

Eastern or Western? And scummier than DH? You want to switch votes or continue with DH?

Early Battle Mage (fake?) connection suspicions:

If Nhammen is scum, maybe DemonH is scum too.

This one is the wrong way around, but is another example.

Parama-EPM duo works. DH maybe mafia. Actually, DH and Nhammen?

Here. He could be trying to saturate the thread with these connections, since this is soon after Calcifer pointed out DGB's false connections. On the other hand, note the inclusion of DH again.

Still favoring DH scum.

Hmm...nhammen, do you think that Battle Mage is the type of player to bus DH, because I am doubting the scenario that they are on separate teams. I agree that BM is totally setting up duos, but maybe we need to rethink DH scum.

[DemonHybrid]

The only reason for any mason to claim soon is if there is a realistic possibility they will be killed, and then scum come forward claiming to be a third member of what is actually a 2 member mason group. In other words, if the mason is a likely night kill, and that mason is the only member of the group left.

Understood.

Also, my reasoning for asking Parama that is because I think Parama plays more careless as scum and would have said something outlandish like "Yeah, you bussed EPM from the start", even though I've been in a bad position all game. Hypothetically speaking, if I was Eastern and was bussing my partner after DGB was killed, that would have been really dumb.

He passed the test.

[Empking]

Parama and Calacifer are the scum. Calling it now.

Vote: Calc

I know I am going to get absolutely nothing, but might as well ask. How are Parama and Calacifer connected? Or are they separate scum? Why so?

Couldn't tell you.

Nhammen: Gut

[iamausername]

Hey all, super V/LA right now. Should hopefully be able to get a half decent post later today, then I'll probably have no access at all until Friday.

After that I'm moving in with my girlfriend, who does not yet have internet, but I'll get a start on sorting that out when I'm up there Tuesday to Thursday, so hopefully it won't take long before I'm back in action. Cheers!

just in case I need to bold text to make the mod read it:

Mod: mark me down as V/LA for the next week

[don_johnson]

By the way, is it better for the other Mason to come out now? Or wait until the next day?

Legitimate inquiry. A confirmed townie would do us a world of good, but not with two/three easy lynches on the line, including myself.

unvote, vote DH

are you always this stupid? scum is dropping like flies and you want a mason claim?

[DemonHybrid]

By the way, is it better for the other Mason to come out now? Or wait until the next day?

Legitimate inquiry. A confirmed townie would do us a world of good, but not with two/three easy lynches on the line, including myself.

unvote, vote DH

are you always this stupid? scum is dropping like flies and you want a mason claim?

Oh, an insult. Time to ignore you.

[DemonHybrid]

Also, don:

Legitimate inquiry.

I guess I need to make it 5 times the size so that you can actually see it, you blind idiot.

[don_johnson]

my apologies. that wasn't meant as an insult. it was a question.

you ask if its a good idea for the mason to claim, then say you don't think its a good idea. thats my idea of an absolutely useless anti-town post as the only thing that can come of it is a mason claim, which you agree it is entirely too early for. but whatever. ignore me if you want.

[DemonHybrid]

Or one that says "prove me wrong if I am".

[SharkFinn]

Parama and Calacifer are the scum. Calling it now.

Vote: Calc

I know I am going to get absolutely nothing, but might as well ask. How are Parama and Calacifer connected? Or are they separate scum? Why so?

Couldn't tell you.

Nhammen: Gut

>_>. Ok, fine. Let's reword it for you. Are Parama and Calacifer aligned scum or not?

[Empking]

Parama and Calacifer are the scum. Calling it now.

Vote: Calc

I know I am going to get absolutely nothing, but might as well ask. How are Parama and Calacifer connected? Or are they separate scum? Why so?

Couldn't tell you.

Nhammen: Gut

>_>. Ok, fine. Let's reword it for you. Are Parama and Calacifer aligned scum or not?

Haven't the foggiest.

[Calcifer]

I'll need to double-
and
triple-
check with the actual game results, but my notes say that Demon isn't likely to be scum. My notes say Bv-Parama looks quite bad, too, so I'll be double-checking that as well.

[SharkFinn]

Parama and Calacifer are the scum. Calling it now.

Vote: Calc

I know I am going to get absolutely nothing, but might as well ask. How are Parama and Calacifer connected? Or are they separate scum? Why so?

Couldn't tell you.

Nhammen: Gut

>_>. Ok, fine. Let's reword it for you. Are Parama and Calacifer aligned scum or not?

Haven't the foggiest.

So why are they scum?