Mafia 96 - Murder in Emerald City (Game Over!)

[curiouskarmadog]

will read this game, sometime this weekend.

[curiouskarmadog]

oh and

Unvote

if I need to

[curiouskarmadog]

sry to double post...had a little time started to read...right off the fucking bat, Mastin's spam is hard to read...too much....have a feeling that this is going to be a long read.

hope the whole game is not like this

[curiouskarmadog]

jesus, I thought you said it gets better...it is getting to the point that I can just read mastin's posts, because he comments on every fucking line....on page 9ish

[curiouskarmadog]

whoa...note to self, reread post 219 after reading the whole game.

also (sorry if this is a repeat question) has it been meta-ed (confirmed?) that Mastin does this every game he is in?

[curiouskarmadog]

jesus, I thought you said it gets better...it is getting to the point that I can just read mastin's posts, because he comments on every fucking line....on page 9ish

But Mastin is absent for a few pages. That''s what was meant. In those pages, I''m the one with the ''irritating'' poststyle >.<

so far you post style is fine...at least you break up the points and i can take it in parts...if I want to break up something M says (for quotes)..I am going to have to reread through the bullshit to refind what I want..

[curiouskarmadog]

on page 11, had to stop at post 255..eyes are bleeding.

this has to be the most fustrating game to read (replace in) I have ever been in.

also note to self: need to check again, who first brought up the suggestion of Death Miller.

[curiouskarmadog]

no...do not reference any ongoing games....

I am just curious who first asked or mentioned anything about a death miller.

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good god this game is flying..I trying to get caught up to the now...not sure why people are voting the claimed miller..something must have happened to cause that.

[curiouskarmadog]

this read is unbearable..

Mastin is spouting too much...I hate the term "wall of text" but I can see this as a pro town move on his part...not finishing the read, I would vote him...but I dont know what has been said the last 5 pages or so...my brain is fucking hurting..

hoping I will catch the last 5 tomorrow.

[curiouskarmadog]

OMG...I cant fucking take it anymore...I have replaced into 20+ games and this was the worst and longest read by leaps and bounds.

vote mastin.

Even after everyone has suggested that his play his anti-town..he continues. Other players post are lost...points are lost...I spent minutes fact checking then rescanning mastin's post to find the orginal bit I was checking....doing that 10-20 times per post I spent an hour...fuck even trying to quote something..more time spent finding what you want, and eliminating the fat. Why bother. This has to be a scum tactic....if not, I will never play in a game with you again...

you know what...I dont think I will either way.

[curiouskarmadog]

fine with my vote...

[curiouskarmadog]

Sorry Mastin, but you and vp are making this game a headache. Plus, to me, vp wins the debate.

unvote
vote: Mastin

unvote

I believe Mastin to some extent.

(P.S. I got back, and now it's late at night. I'll get some good sleep and see if I can re-read with a clear head.)

Hmmm... I'm not sure if I want to vote for Kublai, VP, or MafiaMann...

interesting how a claim and some "breadcrumbs" can stop a wagon. everyone was so hell bent on lynching mastin, but he says he is a RB (which i find is a easy mafia claim to claim)...also everyone seems to overlook the fact that he could have easily planned that claim well before the day started. Hell Kublai's interaction with him might have helped him craft that claim....not buying and I think the claim and his explanation of it is shaky at best....

what I do find more interesting...are how quickly people jump without any explanation, to the next new thing. Look at the above quoted...

ckool, something about your last 3 posts are bothering me...in a sentence or two, I want to hear why you are considering Kub, , VP, or MM....I also want to hear why you believe Mastin's claim and are completely not considering that it is a pre thought out fake claim.

that being said...the information pouring out of this bandwagon to the next is great and I think will be usefull.

[curiouskarmadog]

lol, I can tell this is going to be a joyful game.

[curiouskarmadog]

It'd be essentially wasting a lynch because the scum now want him dead as bad as we do. May as well let them do the the work, or maybe he'll be able to block a kill and bring at least some semblance of truth to his claim.

ummm am I missing something? why would scum want him dead, if he is scum fake claiming?...given this particular line on conversation now...if he lives till tomorrow, how long do we let that go? Scummy is scummy.

[curiouskarmadog]

okay haha I've looked through this game, and we are moving at a snails pace, never have I ever had to go all the way till a deadline to get a lynch. I have to say Mastins breadcrumming is good, but I just can't count him out yet. I'd get rid of him for just posting page long posts, haha if I could. I don't think Mafia will take care of mastin during the night either. I really think we should lynch him sooner than later, but I like the case on Mafiamann as well.

I like absolutely nothing about this post.

1.) is looked skimmed or read?

2.) What is a fast game in your opinion?

3.) Why do you think Mastin's breadcrumb is good? please provide an example of a bad one?

4.) please describe the case against MM.

[curiouskarmadog]

See the case that VP presented.

in your words please.

[curiouskarmadog]

I have to say Mastins breadcrumming is good, but I just can't count him out yet.

He gave us a good useage of subtle hints rather he planned this for a later fake claim who knows, but I dont like it.

I don't like his bread crumbing becasue I think he used it as support for his fake claim.

yep, that is what I sound...you are just spouting out what you think people want to hear....opinions change as light pressure is added. Not providing content, but bandwagoning and agreeing all the way.

unvote, vote Mufasa

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more pressure here please.

[curiouskarmadog]

edit....sound=thought

[curiouskarmadog]

...Unlike me, of course.

in a sentence or two, I want to hear why you are considering Kub, , VP, or MM....I also want to hear why you believe Mastin's claim and are completely not considering that it is a pre thought out fake claim.

Kublai- For reasons already stated before, thank you.

VP- Something just doesn't seem right about his posts to Mastin, and it seems like he's purposefully leaving out important info... Like the one's that Mastin bolds and increases in size.

MM- Um... To be honest I don't know. For some reason there's a bandwagon... And it all sounded like he was scummy...

Are you saying that you don't think that these three are scummy at all? Please explain.

Mastin- Meh. I believe his claim to some extent, but am willing to lynch him. It does seem like at least a somewhat realistic claim though...

Your post sounded kind of... hostile, karmadog...

if anyone has played with me..they know I hate the term "to be honest"....up until recently I thought it was a scum tell....rofl I guess proved me wrong months ago...

at any rate, what part of my question seemed hostile? Also, so what?

[curiouskarmadog]

Hokay so

Of all the people.I feel most comfterable lynching my original suspect, Rofl. I still say that making the assumption that a player is mafia or town with the first page of the game, and be 100% sure about it, is rather scummy. He then assumed I was scum directly after, only for suspecting him. This comes off to me, as somewhat OMGUS. He now rarely posts and simply calls is apathy, but why not merely replace then? He's still in the game, but his posts are few and far inbetween usually. Even then, he just keeps the same suspisions and adds little discussion. I know I haven't added much, but I have tried what I can. Perhaps I should kick it up a notch though.

I have been down this EXACT same road with him before (exept maybe he posted more). I attacked him for spouting that "X is obv town"....I felt that it was scum motivated...I was wrong...his play is scummy to be sure, but for him, it is a null tell.

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I have been down this EXACT same road with him before (exept maybe he posted more). I attacked him for spouting that "X is obv town"....I felt that it was scum motivated...I was wrong...his play is scummy to be sure, but for him, it is a null tell.

He has not contributed a thing and has set himself up to jump any easy wagon he chooses. How is that a null tell?

I am commenting on the bit about him saying "x is town"...and to a certian extent the low content posts. I will have to go back and find if he jumped around a lot on bandwagon...something tells me he did though. I am quite bitter about this game, because he bumped heads so much and I got lycnhed for it.

thought I had him pegged for sure...

what I find funny is that there are about 2-3 other people doing the exact same thing (or worse)..but they are not getting shit. Why is that?

Also, KMD..you thoughts on bandwagons or the sake of bandwagons on day 1?

[curiouskarmadog]

add me to the list too..for some reason I thought if deadline hit the one who had the most votes would get the lynched..apparently not.

MM needs to claim.....I would rather see Mufasa in MM place though.

[curiouskarmadog]

Welcome Xyl…look forward to your input and thoughts on the enormous read.

oh look, someone who was mindlessly pushing a khan wagon flipped scum. i am in no way surprised. now can we stop all discussion of ever lynching khan, finally?

QTF, I am not sure why this was discussed yesterday….

I don't think Ckool is mafia with Zazie, she said he was town, but didn't seem too concerned about him getting lynched, perhaps wanting to make herself look good if he came up town? Also note it was her "gut" that told her ckool was town, this leaves loads of wiggle room to switch her opinions.

interesting comment. I am not sure how you are making this judgment. There are thousands of possibilities as to why someone might do something. To right someone off just because of what you have stated thus far seems off.

Hello. Who's scum?

Got to reread given the night information…..but I am leaning ckool….getting a strong newbiescum vibe off him.

hayker or fallen are both fine with me. If the people have spoken one way, who am I to argue? If anyone's lazy here, it's you.

arent you voting with fallen?

Ok rereading…or at least rereading certain people..I don’t think I can bare to reread the whole game…or anything close to that.

Also mod, going to be on vacation 06/11 until 06/19.

[curiouskarmadog]

Also mod, going to be on vacation 06/11 until 06/19.

I'm guessing those 6s are meant to be 7s, unless you're planning really far ahead.

Anyway, noted.

yeah yeah..July....sorry

[curiouskarmadog]

Xyl, people keep saying that. I don't understand why this is town play though. How is it different from his scum play?

it is not (pro)town play....I have never played with him as scum....

[curiouskarmadog]

vote ckool5000

scummy yesterday. yesterday pulled the "I think you are hostile and scummy for asking me questions" crap without explaining what was hostile. Once pressure backed off. vote changed with the bandwagons. Lurked after dropping hammer on town.

[curiouskarmadog]

t;]

I don't think Ckool is mafia with Zazie, she said he was town, but didn't seem too concerned about him getting lynched, perhaps wanting to make herself look good if he came up town? Also note it was her "gut" that told her ckool was town, this leaves loads of wiggle room to switch her opinions.

interesting comment. I am not sure how you are making this judgment. There are thousands of possibilities as to why someone might do something. To right someone off just because of what you have stated thus far seems off.

Well yeh, there are loads of posibillites as to why someone would do anything. But I thought what I suggested was most likely, given the way it played out. I mean there are loads of posibillites as to why people do everything.

I'm not writing him off, just because of this either, I thought Ckool seemed town based on my previous experience of playing with him.

Also weekend, so I'll have little time to post.

what is this previous experience?

[curiouskarmadog]

outguessing the mod is normally a bad idea, but i feel it is wise to point out that we already have a dead town jailkeeper (roleblocker + doctor), so an additional town roleblocker becomes much less likely

this is a very good point

unvote, vote Mastin

[curiouskarmadog]

I would be happy with ckool or Mastin lynch today....kool was the top of my list until rofl's point.

I am interested in Mastin's thoughts on rofl's point.

[curiouskarmadog]

Also, I'm really uncomfortable with Kise lurking his ass off in this game. Every game I have ever played with him in he has been quite verbose, but he hasn't said anything here since July 3. He also just signed up for another game.

My lynch list currently reads:

ckool
Mastin
Kise

LOL...well, what does this post say about VP?

[curiouskarmadog]

question for you VP....do you think someone who is following the game closely is more likely to be scum, town or nulltell? what about someone how isnt really paying attention or skimming?

[curiouskarmadog]

x post...still would like an answer though.

[curiouskarmadog]

ha

Kise, Emerald Townie - Slaughtered Night One

it means he's not paying attention and not part of the group whose kill m.o. is "slaughtered"

We were talking about Mafia 91.

we were talking about mafia 96.

[curiouskarmadog]

damn xpost....ok..done typing..will check one more time before vacation.

[curiouskarmadog]

I am back (sort of) trying to get caught up on internet stuff....hoping to post something in the next couple of days.

[curiouskarmadog]

Updating from page 48 (before Mastin’s lynch). Some of this is a reread some is not. Typing as a read, but knowing Mastin’s alignment now obviously is going to taint opinions.
Even reading ckool knowing he was the vig I am getting a scum vibe off him. Read (skimmed) him again after VP’s post (1203). Don’t know if that is his play style or was by design…but not important now.

At this point in the reread (1205).

-=Vote Count #33=-

Mastin (4) - roflcopter, Xylthixlm, Kublai Khan, curiouskarmadog
roflcopter (3) - Hayker, Kmd4390, molestargazer
VP Baltar (2) - Mastin, Namttam
ckool5000 (2) - VP Baltar, Wickedestjr
Hayker (1) - Lowell

Not Voting (5) - Achilles, ckool5000, Empking's Alt, Faraday, SerialClergyman

9 to lynch.

Votes swell on ckool SC (1206) KK (1220) Hay (1223) Xyl (1228) this doesn’t mean much I guess, because I thought that ckool was scummy yet, but over rofl’s point (1164) about mastin I find it strange. I also find it sort of hard to swallow that people are now saying today that rofl was bussing a partner (over an opposing team?). Will get to that again in the reread….but rofl’s point single handedly swayed my vote back on Mastin. With a partner already down, why would rofl bus another?
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another side note:

I'm really doubting that Empking's Alt is even reading this game.

he never does. he is in a hundred games and he only pays attention to those that he has a decent role. he is a horrid player and that is why I NEVER play with him. the only reason I replaced into this game is because I owed the mod. a karma thing.

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Ugh, I hate rofl’s vote of ckool (1237). Appeal of emotion vote over your previously stated point of mastin? I was on your side until this…..though I still doubt you are buddied with Mastin…unless something else happens later.

..so ckool claims, votes fall off.

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unvote, vote: mastin

ckool: if mastin flips scum you should kill kmd tonight, if he flips town you should kill me

ugh. Don’t like this post. If you are town, how is this protown to promote yourself for a vigging? Also if you really believed you were going to be lynched anyway, why assume that Mastin will be lynched today over you?
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I think the thought of auto-vigging two people who agree ot be auto-vigged is probably not in the best interest of the town, given the only people who agree ot that are likely to be town.

What if we had ckool target mastin, and mastin roleblock him? That'd go some way to working out if anyone was lying.

Whoa what? This is worse that rofl’s post!?.......you next post just saved me typing out a paragraph.

SerialClergyman is town. Bad idea, but he's town.

Why's that?

He came up with a plan and quickly realized it was bad. I don't think he'd have done that the way he did as scum.

Why? And why are you so quick to right him off?
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I believe that ckool is the vig.

Unvote: ckool

Empking and Zaz were both voting KK the whole game. Zaz turned out scum, so;

Vote: Empking's Alt

Why this vote over Mastin at this point (1283)
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I like faraday’s point about Hay’s vote of Ckool (1289)

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empking's alt is a good person to vig if ckool lives to vig again tomorrow

Ok that is just poor play now. Why is KMD and yourself out at this point? (1304)

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Today starts post 1339.

Hay’s post (1349) that rofl and Mastin are scum partners is just ridiculous. I could see him (rofl) being Cer Mafia, but the fact that doesn’t seem to factor in your vote screams Vermillion.

Scummiest post today.
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btw, now that we've had members of both scumteams trying their hardest to get khan lynched, can we finally agree that the guy is town and stop even entertaining the notion that we'll ever lynch him, ever? kthx

Qft

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I approve the hayker wagon.

Not understanding KMD’s reversal on rofl or why he thinks Hay is town.

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@SerialClergyman - Who are you top five suspects?

What a strange question? Why SC? Why 5? This sort of seems like a post designed to look like someone is scum hunting but is not.

Why do you ask, Wicked?

I was wondering if you had abandoned your Achilles case.

bullshit meter is going off. Why did you care about SC's case when there are tons of other stuff going on right now?

What are your current thoughts on rofl? Hay? KMD? If he didn’t mention Achilles..what would that have told you?
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sorry this post is so long...condensing 10+ pages into one post.

Vote coming, but would like answers for questions, posed to those in this post.

additional question KMD, anything that helped your gut read on Hay?

also Mod, has Achilles picked up his prod?

[curiouskarmadog]

nothing you want to share? or you dont know?

[curiouskarmadog]

interesting...not one of those points is why I am voting Hay.

[curiouskarmadog]

"Today starts post 1339.

Hay’s post (1349) that rofl and Mastin are scum partners is just ridiculous. I could see him (rofl) being Cer Mafia, but the fact that doesn’t seem to factor in your vote screams Vermillion.

Scummiest post today."

I think this was a scum slip of logic.

[curiouskarmadog]

I find Mastin, Empking's Alt, Hayker, and Kublai Kahn scummy, in that order.

also adding this as a point.

the vig offers up his agenda of kills.

Mastin was hung....

Ckool did kill Emp last night.

who was next?

[curiouskarmadog]

Hay you should consider me a vote on you...requesting claim.

[curiouskarmadog]

Muhhhhhh.

We're supposed to force a partner claim here, I think.

I am doubting the claim.

Especially with the earlier neighbour claim. that being said, it would be incredibly stupid for scum to fake claim that after a neighbour claim. of course he just admitted not having much contact with masons.

so who is your partner? do you know their alignment?

checking his reaction to the neighbor claim.

[curiouskarmadog]

you already answered the alignment question, ignore that.

[curiouskarmadog]

nm, there was never a neighbor claim.

[curiouskarmadog]

How did I admit to noit having much contact with the mason(s)

I honestly have no expierience in Mason's beyond epic mafia.

I met contact with (experience)...

[curiouskarmadog]

do you have more than one partner?

[curiouskarmadog]

well to two people that I think are the scummiest in the game are claiming mason....I still find it hard to believe that I am that far off on two people. but rofl is right...it is suicide to fakeclaim mason at this point.

not sure that I agree with rofl that xyl is scummy though, the only scummy thing I have seen Xyl do it follow/buddy up with rofl. going to read again.

[curiouskarmadog]

I knew it didnt sound right.

wicked needs to post now!

[curiouskarmadog]

I'd also like to point out that you rapidly changed from lowell to me very fast. I think you just had a better idea. Not to mention with CKD hopping on like that.

I hopped on to what?

I have said since your claim I do not believe it....

any reason you are changing the facts around?

[curiouskarmadog]

I am having a hard time swallowing 3 pairs of neighbors/masons.

2 pairs of neighbors, ok, since they are not suppose to know alignments.....but masons as well?

I also dont think mole is lying

vote xyl

, rofl was right about mastin

[curiouskarmadog]

curious rofl..scummier, Xyl or KMD?

[curiouskarmadog]

In short, about the claims - I think it's possible we have 2x neighbors and 1x masons but I suspect one of the neighbors to have scum in the pair. If we get a claim from the remaining neighbor - that doesn't help scum, but it will confirm there being 2 sets and we can then have a look and see if one of the remaining neighbors look particularly scummy.

The other neighbour may be scum. Which means they probably won't claim just to drop me in the soup.

What makes you say that? The other neighbours were town, why would your partner be scum?

I would like to know who your partner is.....if your partner denies being your partner, then we nail him tomorrow...there is no reason for your partner (at this point in the game) not to back up your claim.

[curiouskarmadog]

ah missed that.

unvote, vote mastin

. I am mufasa's alt.

Hmmmmmm.

Lowell care to comment? (doubtful).

[curiouskarmadog]

I'm still having trouble keeping up. Apologies.

@SC- Who said I'm their neighbor?

fair enough replace out...or do you think that excuse will keep you in the game?

[curiouskarmadog]

as being a replacement too...I dont envy you

[curiouskarmadog]

July 20

not sure that I agree with rofl that xyl is scummy though, the only scummy thing I have seen Xyl do it follow/buddy up with rofl. going to read again.

July 21

vote xyl

, rofl was right about mastin

see post 1592. I didnt see his case until he posted that.

I would have glady hung Hay or Wicked....They are both 50x scummier than you are....as they are claiming mason however (suicide claim as scum), you are next on deck...

though i dont know if I believe Nat's claim......and I am still feeling out Spy and Lowell (due to recent activity)....vote subject to change.

[curiouskarmadog]

what is really scummy?

[curiouskarmadog]

I think that Xyl and Nam need to claim, don't they? They are both at L-2.

hasnt nam already claimed?

wicked, I hope you understand that hay's claim has saved your ass.

[curiouskarmadog]

Anyone on the fence between myself and Xyl, check out his voting record. Xyl has been hesitant to make any sort of case when voting. (Easiest way is to sort for vote in iso and look for the bold.) Voted for Hayker, Mastin, ckool, Mastin, Wickedestjr, Lowell and me.

why does that make Xyl scum? is he the only one here that has done that?

unvote

for now.

[curiouskarmadog]

Anyone on the fence between myself and Xyl, check out his voting record. Xyl has been hesitant to make any sort of case when voting. (Easiest way is to sort for vote in iso and look for the bold.) Voted for Hayker, Mastin, ckool, Mastin, Wickedestjr, Lowell and me.

why does that make Xyl scum? is he the only one here that has done that?

unvote

for now.

speaking of not answering questions...why when I ask these, you crumble and self vote? Please answer.

@KK, I unvoted Xyl because a combo of doubt that he is scum and something Nam said. I have been back and forth on Xyl for awhile (think this has already been discussed)...if we were in the beginning stages of the game (or day) I would simply put my vote on Nam..but we are too close to a lynch and I want to be sure.

At the moment I think Nam is scummier than Xyl.

KK, why are you in a rush to get the day over?

[curiouskarmadog]

one more question KK, what prompted you to make post 1878? "Feeling the day is too long" is not really what I am looking for here...was there a particular post or discussion that prompted this?

there are still unanswered questions floating.

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being one who tends to get fustrated and self votes as a townie (though stopping this type of action) I can relate if you are town. That being said, I have also done it as mafia because I knew people had that meta on me. What bothers me about your self vote is, if you really wanted KMD to answer (thus you all caps bolded message), why vote yourself?....makes your self vote suspicous

[curiouskarmadog]

hmm, rereading, will post soon, have another game that needs updating first.

[curiouskarmadog]

I am surprised that rofl died last night. I still like my vote from yesterday;

Vote: Xyl

why?

also, I am surprised that both you and Hay are around today.

does the mole kill not surprise you? Why or why not?

[curiouskarmadog]

I see molestargazer came up neighbor. This gives a pretty high probability that the last neighbor is scum. And there is no way you are going to convince me that this was not a breadcrumb.

I agree....and the vote on the tail end of the day when he was going to be gone.

vote Lowell

[curiouskarmadog]

As for Lowell, I don't think him saying I am Mufasa's Alt is a breadcrumb.

noted, what do you think it meant then?


also Lowell's lack of claim is bullshit.

[curiouskarmadog]

why exactly is Lowell not lynched yet?

[curiouskarmadog]

updating games tomorrow

[curiouskarmadog]

(best friend's wife is giving birth today..going to try to update this today, but no promises, posting in all games)


in reference to this game....Xyl, sudden change on Lowell is disturbing....equally as disturbing is his leading the "mason" around by the nose.

Lowell is the lynch today...nothing in lowell's post should have changed your opinion of him Xyl...noted.

also, your %s are useless, why did you feel it important to post that? Do you think it was helpful in some way?

[curiouskarmadog]

Ok updating.

They're not equivalent, but they're not exclusive either. It means I think he's probably town but maybe not.

if there is no difference in "probably not town" and "maybe town"..why bother posting it? It is obviously confusing and apparently leaves you room to change your mind as needed....how was it helpful?

Still, with 78 pages it's a bit depressing that this is what we're looking at to lynch folks.

vote spy

This is as good as any. I briefly looked over the posts since my last recap, and his running narration just looks forced, and poor.

Speaking of depressing. If you seriously are depressed about the state of affairs we currently are in, then do something. If you really want us to believe you feel this is scum, give us some examples or posts…build a case. Why have you not done this? This is scum resigned to his fate.

unvote

thinking

also, your %s are useless, why did you feel it important to post that? Do you think it was helpful in some way?

curiouskarmadog: You could be asking

why

I picked those %ages, or just filing them away so you can see if I change my views later. Instead you dismiss them as "useless". Information about what another player is thinking, or claims to be thinking, is never useless to a townie.

how can anyone gauge what you are thinking when you backtrack previous statements?…it doesn’t really express your opinion. I thought the “maybe town”/”maybe not town” was great and had a good feeling about you, until you back tracked and played the semantics game with it. Now we got %s that you can easily back out of too.

Neighbor isn't -really- a power role. And it would fit with the 3/4 idea I've had chug chug chuggin' along.

where did the 3/4 idea first come from? I dont remember reading that.

If Lowell is the last Cerulean, and is a neighbor, that would give the Ceruleans three power roles (doctor, roleblocker, neighbor). That's not impossible, but it's a little unlikely. That lowers my estimate of the likelihood that Lowell is scum enough to make me want to look elsewhere today.

/vote:Lowell

Sorry Lowell, ut I'm convinced that you are scum.

Even if you're convinced he's scum, if he is he's almost certainly Cerulean. If that's the case then lynching him today is

bad

. Not as bad as lynching a townie, but still bad.

first Lowell is UNLIKELY to be Cerulean, so we shouldnt lynch him, now he is almost certianly Cerulean, so we should lynch him.

You are all over the place. And there is no reason for it of you are town.

you are back tracking and contradicting to the extreme yourself to avoid this lynch, why?

I think Lowell is the last of Cer, I cant see Cer having 4 members. I think it is important to eliminate a scum killing role today. I dont want to bank on a cross kill....the only people who want more killing roles out there with the possibility of killing us is scum.

[curiouskarmadog]

first Lowell is UNLIKELY to be Cerulean, so we shouldnt lynch him, now he is almost certianly Cerulean, so we should

nt

lynch him.

typo fixed.

curiouskarmadog: Lowell went from probably-Vermillion-if-he's-scum to probably-Cerulean-if-he's-scum when you, SerialClergyman, and Faraday all jumped onto his wagon. My reasoning here is not hard to understand if you try.

lol, but you avoid the point.

you state that he is Cer SO WE SHOULDNT LYNCH HIM.

then you state he is VER SO WE SHOULDNT LYNCH HIM.

the reasoning behind your change is not important and you know it. What is important is a.) you think he is scum, yet he shouldnt be lynched and b.) you state we shouldnt lynch him BECAUSE of the scum team he is in. so your reasoning behind why we shouldnt lynch him is shit. because today you have put him in both scum teams stating that THAT is the reason we should lynch him.

good job, trying to focus on a non point.

also good job on avoiding my questions.

[curiouskarmadog]

Where did I say we shouldn't lynch Lowell because he was unlikely to be Cerulean?

are you saying you didnt? I posted it in the post on this page.

how can anyone gauge what you are thinking when you backtrack previous statements?…

if there is no difference in "probably not town" and "maybe town"..why bother posting it? It is obviously confusing and apparently leaves you room to change your mind as needed....how was it helpful?

curiouskarmadog, can you find a game where you behave similarly

as town

?

yep a ton of them...I got my title because I play emotional...and hot.. check out my wiki page, I list every game (scum and town that I have been in)..for my last 10 games I have brief statements on each. I am sure you will check it out. Please let me know that you did this.

funny how you start attacking me once I call you on your shit. I have a valid point so please dont dismiss and try again to discredit. You give labels to who you think is scum and town....then you backtrack on that, yes playing a semantics game...now you offer %s, how are they helpful? When you leave yourself room to wiggle..case in point...I was at 50% on your list, but now that I am calling you on shit...you are attempting to discredit me....

[curiouskarmadog]

If Lowell is the last Cerulean, and is a neighbor, that would give the Ceruleans three power roles (doctor, roleblocker, neighbor). That's not impossible, but it's a little unlikely. That lowers my estimate of the likelihood that Lowell is scum enough to make me want to look elsewhere today.

/vote:Lowell

Sorry Lowell, ut I'm convinced that you are scum.

Even if you're convinced he's scum, if he is he's almost certainly Cerulean. If that's the case then lynching him today is

bad

. Not as bad as lynching a townie, but still bad.

.

for the record, is lowell "unlikely to be cerulean" or "almost certianly Cerulean" In both posts, you feel that Lowell is not a good lynch...so please dont act like you didnt say it

[curiouskarmadog]

you and semantics again....let everyone read it..

If Lowell is the last Cerulean

, and is a neighbor, that would give the Ceruleans three power roles (doctor, roleblocker, neighbor). That's not impossible, but

it's a little unlikely

.

That lowers my estimate of the likelihood that Lowell is scum enough to make me want to look elsewhere today.

/vote:Lowell

Sorry Lowell, ut I'm convinced that you are scum.

Even if you're convinced he's scum, if he is

he's almost certainly Cerulean

.

If that's the case then lynching him today is

bad

.

Not as bad as lynching a townie, but still bad.

.

for the record, is lowell "unlikely to be cerulean" or "almost certianly Cerulean" In both posts, you feel that Lowell is not a good lynch...so please dont act like you didnt say it

funny how you dont post your quote with you semantics defense. I will do it again for you,

first quote bolded.

first post you say that it is "unlikely" that Lowell is Cer, and "that lowers my estimate that Lowell is scum". If he is not Cer, he fucking must be Ver....and that lowers your estimate that he is scum., thus you dont want to lynch him. I am not misreresenting anything....are you trying to say now, that you werent trying to indicate that Lowell is ver in this post?

second quote bolded.

you say he is most "certianly Cer"...and "that lynch would be bad"..

If you think he is scum of any variety, why is it a bad lynch? How is it protown to lead people away from a lynch of someone YOU THINK IS SCUM?

the facts are, you are going out of your way to avoid lynching Lowell. And your reasoning is shit. I have caught you talking out of both sides of your mouth and now you back pedaling AGAIN, and now all you can do if talk about old games not this one....

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fine, crackers mafia reminds me a lot of this one....I was town lynched day one but that day took forever and I was attacked for being aggressive and being overreactive....

interested to hear your thoughts about that game

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"I'd be up for a curiouskarmadog lynch if anyone wants one."

going to go ahead and bold this just in case your scum buddies missed this direction. pretty sure Xyl is Ver...and I am pretty sure I know why rofl was offed now.

[curiouskarmadog]

I'm seeing the AHAH! but I'm not seeing the conclusion.

What scum scenario are you looking at CKD?

The ONLY one that would make sense as a scum move would be Lowell / Xyl as partners - but even then why in the hell would you start a bus and then jump off of it in a cloud of smoke?

It is all WIFOM, who knows why scum do what they do. If they are partners, his jumping off HAS stopped the wagon(but I think that is unlikely). I believe that Xyl either thinks or knows Lowell is scum, what I cant figure out is why he jumped off the wagon. I think that Xyl is Ver and Lowell is Cer….there are a lot of semi-confirmed roles still floating around and I think it occurred to Xyl that the other mafia group is needed for Ver to attempt to win this. I think all Xyl knows is that Lowell is not scum with him. IF Lowell is town, Xyl looks good for jumping off. IF Lowell is Cer, then XylVer wont be faulted. Why not jump off? Get the ball rolling the start attacking someone else. If the Lowell wagons goes bad for us, he is not to fault because he jumped off, maybe even earning himself some town creds. I don’t think they are partners together, given his actions, but who knows…again the WIFOM goes round and round.

Xyl’s interaction and reaction to my questions are bizarre and I do feel he is back pedaling. His suspicions are vague and it is extremely hard to pin him to anything for he wiggles out.

All that being said, there is still some doubt that Xyl is scum, thus why my vote is still on Lowell. I think a ton of information (and I believe will help us) can be obtained from Lowell’s lynch. If Lowell flips Ver, I think it might clear Xyl in a backwards way. I cant see XylVer jumping off a Lowellver wagon that way. If lowell flips Cer, we eliminate a killing group tonight. Anyone who pushes not trying to lynch Cer today in hopes of a crosskill, is pushing a fucking huge pile of shit.

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Hey Xyl don’t yell at people for not meta-ing if you are not going to do it, any reason you are not checking up on my games like you said you were? Again, you are trying to discredit me by pushing lies, but you never really checked did you?

From Mafia 86, 3rd game down on my wiki page (really easy to find)…I was town…
67th post
“LOL....no i caught you in a lie because you were scared to answer a question....now you are trying to backtrack....”

70th post
“Emp did not contradict himself, he avoided a question, lied, back tracked, and then insulted...immature scum getting caught, nothing more.”

75th post
“given his lie, avoided questions, and backtrack...his avoidance of the BA case and bullshit attack on me, I am sure he is scum.”

There is more, do you want to see?

Ckd, NO I was not saying he must be vermillion. I was saying that I don't think he's as likely to be cerulean therefore he's less likely to be scum AT ALL. This is plain as day. YOU are adding the assumption that I think Lowell is some sort of scum despite it being DIRECTLY CONTRADICTED BY THE POST.

That is the problem with you, i dont know what you are saying. lets clear if up then. You are being very vague and I want a straight answer you can not back out of.

When did you think Lowell was scum?
When did you stop thinking Lowell is scum and why?
What brand (ver or Cer) did you think he was and when.

please try to avoid terms like "more likely"..I want a concrete answer today.

also, since we had this interaction, can you please post some updated %s, because you want us to believe you think they are helpful, I for one am curious how they have changed now.

[curiouskarmadog]

interesting phrasing.

so you agree it is a maneuver?

[curiouskarmadog]

I stated what it could be...I dont know what it is. this isnt a case...it is a discrepancy I have issue with..

I also stated that I have issue with Xyl being scum (because it doesnt makes sense)...I think Lowell is the best lynch today...my main problem with Xyl is, I dont understand where is rapid change of heart came from...when I start questioning him he gets slippery. Hoping he answers my questions with concrete answers..today, versus tomorrow..or later in the game.

now another problem I have with him is he is pushing a meta, that he hasnt even really looked into....is that scum hunting, scum trying to discredit when the heat is turned on, or townie tunnel vision....not sure yet.

[curiouskarmadog]

one last issue I have a problem with...the back track on stance....When I read "maybe town" "maybe not town", I took that as a scum/town list....but (and he has proven this) it really is meaningless, because he just backs out of the stances USING semantics. I want concrete stances from him....I want concrete answers from him...things he cant back away from.

for example.

I think Lowell is scum

I think KK is town.

I think that Wick/Hay are town, but the fact scum didnt value them as a threat bothers me (already stated).

[curiouskarmadog]

(got a busy week, look for a post on Friday)

in reference to this game...

will answer Xyl posts then....but have a feeling he will keep avoiding my points by bringing up old games...once I demostrate that I do something as town, he tries to find something else...Xyl, when i demostrate that I always ask what you call "loaded" questions as town or scum, what are you going to say?...(oh know, another "loaded" question you will avoid).. Xyl you cant avoid the truth of the question by calling it loaded...

wicked, in reference to %s, I was trying to prove a point (but cant since he isnt posting them)...they are meaningless...I imagine they have changed because again because of our interaction. Since I was at 50% (out of 300%???, who the fuck knows) it gives him room to change without looking OMGUSy.

I agree that this newest attack from Xyl looks scummy (selective meta-ing "case" without a vote), but I still think Lowell is the way to go today.....anyone want to wager if/when Lowell posts, his vote will be on me?

[curiouskarmadog]

(got a busy week, look for a post on Friday)

xyl, any reason you are ignoring this? (more loaded questions?, or maybe I want a fucking answer?) I will answer your questions on friday when i get a second to post more than a sentence or two..I am surprised that with all your meta-ing you seemed to over look that I am not posting in any of my games right now (will on friday)....

also, your attack of loaded questions is sad....it is a way for you to avoid answering my questions by attacking the question itself.

How many games of my have you looked at when I have been town...please name the games. curious to your extent of selective meta-ing.

[curiouskarmadog]

short answer...I attack the same way as scum or town. Do I think they are loaded?..no

so just one game then?

[curiouskarmadog]

curious, if I do your work for you and show you 3 games that I ask what you call "loaded" questions as town..what next? going to admit your wrong and just going?

[curiouskarmadog]

...just keep going?

[curiouskarmadog]

post and questions answered tomorrow.

since I have to go through my old cases....questions Xyl, have you ever attacked someone as scum using a meta you manipulated to serve your purpose? Will be checking....

[curiouskarmadog]

post and questions answered tomorrow.

since I have to go through my old cases....

questions Xyl, have you ever attacked someone as scum using a meta you manipulated to serve your purpose? Will be checking....

[curiouskarmadog]

Ok updating 3 games, this one is first because I think it has the most content.

Going back to post, 2014 (xyl), and working my way forward, I have skimmed, but not read really in depth doing so now. At this point, I am little confused by what Xyl calls a “loaded” question, but lets see.
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please try to avoid terms like "more likely"..I want a concrete answer today.

You're not going to get it. I approach the game in terms of probabilities and likelihoods. I never rule scenarios out, I just change my estimates. So, if you ask what I was thinking, you're going to get a lot of "more likely" and "probably", because

that's what I was thinking

.

Fair enough, but I assume you understand how easily one can slither out of stances with that sort of playing style. Your %s are confusing because they are out of 300%? I am not sure what that means, so I can imagine others are confused as well. Even your “maybe town”/ “maybe not town” is confusing and utterly meaningless because you can quickly change or adapt as needed. I don’t know if this is intentional or not.

I dont want to misquote you or assume you are saying something you are not

Funny, I'm not seeing that attitude here. You just assume I'm saying something I'm not and immediately start attacking over it. Why the difference?

What difference are you talking about? Give me an example of when I am saying you are saying something you are not.

Compare to this game:

you are back tracking and contradicting to the extreme yourself to avoid this lynch, why?

This is the logical fallacy of the loaded question: a question which can't be answered without implicitly accepting a false premise.

I see what you are saying with loaded questions. SO I should have worded it “I think you are back tracking and contradicting to the extreme. Why are you avoiding this lynch?” So it is a semantic thing. What you call a loaded question is a combination of when I think someone is scum and asking them to explain themselves. I tend to make this type of post when I get frustrated with someone I deem acting scummy.

Examples: Mini 655, Clockwork (town) in reference to me (my post 33).

“After reading the thread a bit, CKD has come off as overly aggressive for an attack that had little merit. He's been asking questions that are, in my opinion, loaded and the general amount of effort he's putting into concentrating on one person for something that is a relatively minor contradiction is a little surprising.…”

Mini 655 post 67, I felt Raider had been back tracking and was being scummy.

“Why are you back tracking now?”

My Post 58, Mini 688, I felt EA was scummy and stretching to push a case..I stated such.

“EA, why are you stretching so much?”

My Post 42 in California trilogy.

“seems to me that you are warping what really happened yesterday...why?”

I am town in all of these games. Now what?

or should I say..

What if I pointed to a game where I did

exactly

this as town? Would that change your opinion on the scumminess?

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xyl looks like the best target so far, but I'm still reading. I've not forgotten how scummy his predecessor was.

Interesting comment...any follow up? Scummy attacks aside, add this post to another reason I think Xyl is not scum. Unless he thinks he is going to hang and this is last minute bussing....but I think Lowell should be the lynch today. At least Xyl has the appearance of trying to scum hunt....though at this point he is tunnel visioning.

His next post..

Why would I breadcrumb mason and then deny it? Still reading, but this is the part of the case against me that is the dumbest. Wouldn't I, um, WANT people to think I'm a mason?

What about Xyl..forgot about him? Hey Lowell, when did you read mole’s post about him being a neighbor?

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curiouskarmadog, you too. If you believe your case, vote me. Come on.

Pot...black..kettle.
==

I'd appreciate it if no one hammers at least until SerialClergyman and curiouskarmadog can answer why they're attacking me but voting Lowell.

I think Lowell is scum...but find your unvote, backtracks, and current meta attacks scummy. Do i think you are scum?...really going back and forth on it....

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If it's what I think, let me just summarize the case again, and you can tell me if it's weak.

[*]CKD has not shown any cases of him using similar attacks in any previous game where he was town.
Now, what stronger evidence do you want than that? A confession?

Looking through every game CKD has played as town would be a poor use of my time, and if CKD doesn't pick I have no reason to pick any one game over another. So I'd just pick one. ("Random" here doesn't mean selected by chance, it means selected arbitrarily.)

I asked CKD to provide a town example and he hasn't. I'm assuming that's because he can't.

dude, I said I wasnt going to be around until today...Why are you attacking me for not answering a request when I am not here and fully reading? Do you think attacking someone for not addressing something when they said they were not going to be here is pro-town? Why when i reposted my "going to post an update on friday" post did you ignore it? Surely you didnt overlook it twice.
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CKD, more easy questions for you to answer:

In your view, did you ask loaded questions in Frogs Mafia?

In your view, did you attack me for not answering questions in Frogs Mafia?

I attack the same as scum or town. yes I did attack you for not answering questions in Frogs...so? When people dont answer questions i think it is scummy. Again, looking through my cases as you suggest you are doing, you should have seen him time and time again do this as town.

And this is why your meta attacks are scummy...you have clearly read Mafia 86 (because you have stated it numerous times)...you should then know that I attacked several people for not answering or avoiding my questions.

WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS QUESTION?

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post and questions answered tomorrow.

since I have to go through my old cases....questions Xyl, have you ever attacked someone as scum using a meta you manipulated to serve your purpose? Will be checking....

No. That would be stupid, anyone could just check the meta themselves, like I keep encouraging people to do in this case.

a point for Xyl (back and forth)...I skimmed about 4 mafia games of Xyl..I dont see him attacking someone as scum using a meta.

I did find this gem though.

Xyl post 316 in Mind Screw mafia.

“On a completely unrelated note, someone who knows my meta could have figured out that I was scum because I wasn't pushing for lurker lynches! I push them very strongly as town, but this game the two of the biggest lurkers were my scumbuddies. Fortunately (for me as scum) most people view pushing lurker lynches as scummy, so I actually looked more protown by not pushing them.”

Have you pushed any lurker lynches this game Xyl?

also

unvote.

for now. going to be gone this weekend.

lurkers need to post content, KK is gone until tomorrow..where is Hay..Lowell owes us his thoughts on Xyl..

[curiouskarmadog]

why do I have a feeling, Xyl is going to ignore my similiar attacks as town (games AND EVEN POST NUMBER PROVIDED)....why do I have the feeling that he is going to ignore the fact that I have been attacked as town for asking loaded questions.

Did I ask you loaded questions in Frog Mafia? Yes. Were they intentially loaded? No. Do I usually ask question like that when I get fustrated and I think someone is scum? Yes. Do I do it regards of alignment? yes.
--

I really dont understand most of that iphone post.

--
Xyl, you push that I am scum because I attacked you for backtracking. Stating that I have done it as scum in another game.

I provide an example of doing it in another game that I was town.

then, you push that I am scum because I asked what you what you call "loaded" questions.

I provide three exmaples of doing it in other games that I was town in....even post where I was attacked for asking loaded questions.

now what?

you said if I could provide a game that I did it in you might change your mind...I provided 3...

now what?

According to you...you are scum.

[curiouskarmadog]

yes I disagree.

[curiouskarmadog]

posting by phone.

been prodded?

will try to post something by friday...

[curiouskarmadog]

Updating from page 85, typing as I am going.

If Lowell is the last Cerulean, and is a neighbor, that would give the Ceruleans three power roles (doctor, roleblocker, neighbor). That's not impossible, but it's a little unlikely. That lowers my estimate of the likelihood that Lowell is scum enough to make me want to look elsewhere today.

What do I say about Lowell's scumminess in this post? I say that

I don't want to lynch him because I don't think he's scum

. Nowhere do I say that he's likely to be Vermillion, and in fact that idea contradicts what I've said in previous posts. You are

making up a position for me that contradicts what I've actually said

and then accusing me of contradicting myself! That is incredibly scummy and you know it.

Due to your other posts, I thought you thought he was scum, this post you rule him out of being Cerulean..so I assumed you thought he was Ver. I know that directly contradicts what you said before...THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT and what got my hackles in a bunch. I could have read this post wrong. To me, I thought you were indicating that you thought Lowell was scum, but you were arguing reasons (he was Cer...and he was Ver) that he shouldnt be lynched.

For the life of me, I couldnt figure out if someone was suppose to be town, and they thought someone was scum, why they were arguing not to lynch that person. My whole issue with you (in the beginning of our back and forth) was working under the impression you thought Lowell was scum, but didnt want to lynch him.

Oh yes, forgot this: When I point out that curiouskarmadog is accusing me of saying something I never said, he says that I'm arguing "semantics".

did I say you were arguing semanitcs...or are you using a semantics arguement? or do you think they are the same thing?

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I've read up and I'd be more likely to vote CKD than Xyl. Still prefer Serial and Lowell in that order though.

KMD, I have seen you post paragraphs upon paragraphs of detailed thoughts...here you are lurking...why?

==

1)

xyl

's behavior around my claim is strange.

2)

ckd

looks bad.

3)

faraday

looks bad.

4)

SC

looks bad as well.

6)

spy

looks bad as well.

My guess at scum:

ckd, SC

one team

spy

the other team

unvote, vote ckd

. For his fear of entanglement with xyl, his constant reshuffling of the same case on me, and for his buddying with scummy serialclergyman.

Nice wide net there, scum bag, guess that leaves you open to change your vote without suspicion as you see fit......where have a buddied with SC? Do you think you have buddied with Xyl the past 5-6 pages? What are your thoughts on KMD? I noticed you don’t really mention him.

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So, to clarify, my thought process is this?
1) aha, I'm scum, but I'll claim mason, so that when other masons are confirmed town, I'll look town!
2) time to breadcrumb!
2) oh no! Other masons have died and been confirmed town! ABORT ABORT!

so why do you think a protown neighorhood has not said anything yet?

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Maybe the reason I'm not finding the breadcrumb compelling evidence is that I'm the one who found it, and the way I did that is start at page 1 and look for anything that looked like a breadcrumb by anyone. The chance of a false positive doing that is not negligible.

Same question for you, any thoughts, why the neighbor hasn’t said any thing yet?

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I still think Lowell is scummy,

I am curious why?

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Faraday is still a nutter.

a nutter? is that a confusing desicion? I have heard that used before (british thing?)...not sure what it means.

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Also,

vote Lowell

Nothing in the past pages has changed my opinion of you.

That being said, I want to hear more from KMD sooner than later.

Xyl, considering your "as town I always push lurker lynches" comment in your scum game...I am curious about your opinion of KMD today.

[curiouskarmadog]

CKD -

Why did you unvote Lowell and then revote him?

I was going away for the weekend. I have a new phone, but wasnt sure I would be able to check in. I didnt want to leave my vote here unattended. I revoted, for two reasons. I still think he is scum and self preservation.

[curiouskarmadog]

KMD, I have seen you post paragraphs upon paragraphs of detailed thoughts...here you are lurking...why?

Mostly work. I'll unfortunataely be even worse in the next couple of weeks when I leave for a trip.

are you keep up with the game? Perhaps you need a replacement?

[curiouskarmadog]

All this talk about claiming…

Funny no one has asked me to claim. Anyone curious why KMD implies that Lowel’s lack of claim is guiding his vote (vote lowel because he thought he declined to claim, then unvotes after he "missed" it). That claim must be awful important to KMD. So he votes me. Anyone curious why KMD doesn’t ask for my claim then?

He knows I am at -1.

Anyone curious why KMD has been spouting all day that he prefers a Lowell lynch (though still not really stating why) over mine then suddenly votes me last minute?

Yeah.

I am a Hider bitches. That’s why I have had such an issue with the amount of pro town roles claims…a miller, two sets of neighbors, a set of masons, a hider. I cant hide two nights back to back. If I hide behind someone who dies, I die. If I hide behind mafia, I die. I win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and if at least one protown player survives.

[curiouskarmadog]

I have hid once...not saying what night, only scum would want to know that, behind KK.

SC, last minute change is also fucking strange....now that I say I am a power role, his mind changes?

at this point, I dont care if you change your vote Spy...there will be a ton of info from my lynch, you are right. KMD for one needs to be pressured...his antics with the lowell votes to mine as suspect...Was feeling good about SC, until my claim then all of the sudden he might be suspicious of me. positive lowell is scum. Spy's buddy with Xyl looks bad too.

rest of my thoughts

the masons bother me, but meh..Faraday I just dont have a read on....I am leaning town, but why, I dont have a clue.

I actually think Xyl is town. tunneling townie, but looks like he really is trying to find scum, too bad he is really barking up the wrong tree now. will look forward to a discussion about how bad meta cases can be. I will take your apology then.

[curiouskarmadog]

well thats the hammer..

you screwed up chump..

bah, go town.

[curiouskarmadog]

also, once I flipped town, you reread my post, you see that today I said that I thought KK was town...he is the only one I said that about without exception today..

if you really wanted to know that..you would have asked BEFORE hammering...nice.

Xyl, is right, SC is probably scum too.

[curiouskarmadog]

I dont believe you for a second Spy

you knew i was hammered

[curiouskarmadog]

HA!....guess I am scaring both scum groups. Spy suggests I hide behind a mason, and both groups hit masons...lovely....just so happens they hit the same one.

Wick is now also a confirmed townie.

If someone lies (alignment unknown) in game, should they be lynched?

[curiouskarmadog]

thoughts coming in (at the most) 48 hours.

[curiouskarmadog]

Ok, I think we are on a good track with a mass claim, it is a good idea at this point...I think a popcorn claim starting with Wick would be fine, OR dice rolling.

to partly answer Xyl question about a breadcrumb....I am pretty sure you know the answer to that (maybe not, since you came in today wanting to lynch me). Yes I did....to say anything else, would only help scum.

here are my thoughts...

after last night, I am sure I am not going to see endgame.

I think the assumption that we are probably facing 4 scum left (3 Ver and 1 Cer) is probably correct...unless 2 ver have a power role.

Wick and KK are town.

that leaves, Xyl, SC, KMD, Faraday, and Spy...3 or 4 out of those 5 are scum. Which sort of sucks. Yesterday before I thought I was lynched, if I had to pick one of those to be town....I would have said Xyl, SC, or Faraday...after that....just Xyl

KMD is scum...after (re)reading Faraday...sure he is scum too. Had a feeling both of these were going to show up and agree with Xyl's first post...but both seem to be sitting back waiting.....for whatever reasons. Maybe to see where the tide goes.

Between Xyl, Spy, and SC...Xyl looks like he is scum hunting the most. Now that doesnt mean anything, because if he is scum, he wants to a.) look town, and b.) eliminate the other scum group....but out of those 3 he is currently the most town...and even though he apparently is still pushing for my lynch, he is no where near the lynch today.

Spy, I didnt like how he followed Xyl around yesterday. The plan to hide behind a mason was good (I guess), but had a feeling that scum would aim that way last night. and both teams did. if he hadnt said that plan, scum might have targetted each other for a cross kill. As it stands, scum thought I might hide behind the mason, so they both went for a 2 for 1 kill.

SC, was feeling good about until he suddenly flipped his opinion of me when he found out I was a power role.

ugh, out of those 3, I dont know. Xyl maybe? I dont think either of those 3 should be the lynch today.

(pre)claim, I am only willing to lynch Faraday and KMD.

[curiouskarmadog]

mod, please prod faraday and KMD

I would like to hear their thoughts BEFORE a claim if we do one.

I also want to hear their thoughts ABOUT the claim.

[curiouskarmadog]

sorry for triple post, this weekend, I am going to be traveling (my work is sending me on detail for the month away from home)...probably no posting then....however, I will be bored out of my mind for the next month...so frequency of posting will increase after this weekend..

posting this is all games.

[curiouskarmadog]

why do you want to know so bad?

trying to figure out what night I hid?

why?

[curiouskarmadog]

not going to answer my questions?

or are they loaded?

Why do you want to know what night I hid so badly?

how is it protown to know what night I hid?

[curiouskarmadog]

vote: curiouskarmadog

Not moving for any reason until he claims his breadcrumb.

you are an idiot..or scum.

[curiouskarmadog]

also the crumb is fucking obvious..

[curiouskarmadog]

I plan on claiming with everyone else, if we claim....but I am not going to do it out of random order, to help scum fake a claim....

also, you are an idiot...once I claim you will know why.

I never said I wasnt going to tell...matter of fucking fact I am approved of a mass claim with random or popcorn claiming...

I think trying to suggest that I am refusing to claim is scummy. i think trying to get me to claim before the mass claim is scummy. I think the fact that you are ignoring that both fucking scum groups went looking for me last night is scummy.

why do you have a problem with waiting Xyl..you already said you werent going to remove your vote until I show the crumb.

[curiouskarmadog]

edit: ""...I approved of a mass claim.."

[curiouskarmadog]

No, see on massclaim day you should give ALL the information you have.

If the player is still alive you help.
If the player is dead no harm done in not giving it.

I dont agree with the vote but not wanting to discuss what you've DONE is still shady.

where did I say I wasnt going to claim?

[curiouskarmadog]

mod, please prod faraday and KMD

I would like to hear their thoughts BEFORE a claim if we do one.

I also want to hear their thoughts ABOUT the claim.

[curiouskarmadog]

so everyone has agreed to a mass claim, but faraday...

(waiting)

also, want his thoughts (lists) BEFORE the claim.

[curiouskarmadog]

what is the fucking rush?(please answer)...we will claim today...

I want faraday to provide information first.

[curiouskarmadog]

are you curious about faraday's thoughts before the claim?

[curiouskarmadog]

I don't think CKD is a hider. The claim is so fucking dodgy. I thought he was town before, but it just seems such a fake claim. He picked an obv town target to claim to have hid behind so yeh, and he hasn't been using his role, when he could be confirming people with it.

yeah, i thought you might say this. any reason you didnt say it yesterday? You had plenty of time to say this shit yesterday.....any reason you didnt? Did me saying you are scum (today) have anything to do with it? please explain how I could confirm someone if I was dead? I actually didnt really believe the KK claim at first (this all ties into my "crumb") and I have confirmed him. and you are saying this today and you dont know who (or if) I hid behind last night.

obv scum

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also I dont have a problem with KK starting...since Faraday has posted, pretty much what I thought he would....

[curiouskarmadog]

i only trust Wick and KK to start.

[curiouskarmadog]

ok, tomorrow...I am preparing to travel...Sunday getting settled in my home (hotel)...I will try to check this tomorrow..and claim when needed.

[curiouskarmadog]

lol, again, where did I refuse to claim?

I havent claimed yet (the mass claim today I will go into detail)...it hasnt gotten to me yet. If you werent confirmed, I would totally peg you for scum. Wick you do know how a mass claim works right?

Wick, I have said NUMEROUS times today that I would claim fully, though, and when you see the claim, you will understand WHY it was a bad idea for me to claim fully.

[curiouskarmadog]

Wick two posts before you posts I said I would claim...why are you ignoring that?

[curiouskarmadog]

EDIT "...before you POSTED, I said I...."

[curiouskarmadog]

ugh. last check in before I am gone for about 48 hours..

[curiouskarmadog]

My turn, I am a Hider (in detail).
Here is the reason my me claiming funny sucks.

Night 0, Cat did not hide.
Night 1 and Night 2, I did not hide because I really didn’t trust anyone. I didn’t trust KK’s claim….And later in the days, I really didn’t trust the Mason’s or Neighbors claims. This was evident in my posts. Plus, I wasn’t really getting any heat so I didn’t think there was a reason to hide.

Night 3 I hid behind KK….

More on this…

Day 3 roled around and there were so many “townie” claims that I figured I had to chose one to try to confirm. Now I had a reason to hide. There were so many partner claims that in no way did I want to hide behind a mason or neighbor so I chose KK….out of all the “townie” claims, I thought he would be the safest to hide behind and might get us a confirmed townie in the process. That being said, it was obvious that I still had suspicion of KK (My post 61 and my post 62.)

Day 4 roles around and the ONLY person I state I think is town is KK

one last issue I have a problem with...the back track on stance....When I read "maybe town" "maybe not town", I took that as a scum/town list....but (and he has proven this) it really is meaningless, because he just backs out of the stances USING semantics. I want concrete stances from him....I want concrete answers from him...things he cant back away from.

for example.

I think Lowell is scum

I think KK is town.

I think that Wick/Hay are town, but the fact scum didnt value them as a threat bothers me (already stated).

KK is the only person I say that is town. IF I should have died and someone reviewed my posts it is obvious that Day 3 I was suspicious of KK, but for some reason Day 4 I have no problem stating KK is town. Xyl, was great at nabbing Lowell’s possible claim, so I thought that one would really stick out.

I didn’t want to tell you yesterday what night I hid, because going into Night 4, I couldn’t hide. I didn’t want to comment on Spy’s plan because, I didn’t want to lie and say I would (then scum pluck them off instead of a cross kill) or tell the truth and get popped off because I couldn’t hide.

I didn’t really want to say this today, because it is obvious that I scare both scum teams, for they went looking for me last night. Thinking that I hid last night, they would have tried to kill me tonight…without success.

See Xyl, this is why I didn’t readily want to give away my breadcrumb. It tells you WHAT night I hid. It also directs scum away from killing me tonight.

With 3-4 scum lurking out there…I am extremely paranoid and anyone willingly to lynch a claimed hider at this point makes me suspicious..with so many scummy people out there why are there so many people suggesting I am scummy and wanting to lynch me so bad?

With 8 people here and a potential of 50% of them being scum…I scare scum.

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ugh, with KK's vote that puts me at -2.

the 2 people I beleive is town are voting me.....expecting the next votes to be fast and furious.

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also, faraday is scum...expecting his vote to be one of those quick ones..

vote faraday

spy you are up.

[curiouskarmadog]

lol

well damn...I knew it was risky claiming KK as town.....was going to claim tracker, BUT everyone I tracked was dead, usually the night I tracked them.

I did track Faraday to the kill last night, but there was nothing I could do about it...there was no way anyone was going to believe a tracker claim today. I figured given the SC reaction to my claim that KK (and SC) was probably scum and there was no way I could win this game....boo. HAd to kill a mason last night to make it look like one group was looking for me...didnt do any good.

it was hard replacing into this game...one partner down and the other SUPER FUCKING SCUMMY.

Props to Xyl...you were on to something with the loaded questions bit I think...I really thought I did it in all games...but when I went to look for it..they were stronger in games that I was scum in...going to make that adjustment in the future.

good game "other" scum...

[curiouskarmadog]

for now on..I will lynch/kill a claimed miller....using this game to do it.

[curiouskarmadog]

Xyl was on point...just hit the wrong scum first.

he should have seen that I wasnt part of a group...I had no friends in this town...

[curiouskarmadog]

the only reason I went hard at Mastin was (and no offense Mastin) he was so incredibly scummy. in out QT, I tried to get him to settle down, but he refused. He thought that he posting style is OBVtown...at any rate, I am going to have to add him to the "cant join a game he is in" list. it was such a tough read, replacing into the game.

anyway, once I claimed hider, I was done....there was no way Cer would win this game. the hider claim only bought me a night, which is what I told the mod last night. if I would have killed anyone last night (not mason)..it would have been Xyl, thought he was scum...would have had the same result for town though.

also the I think I offed, Zaz, for meta reasons....got to go back, but found something that made me believe he was scum.

[curiouskarmadog]

CKD, are you fine with letting us see the quick topic?

I dont have a problem with it..I just dont have it anymore....

will look through my messages to see...

basically it was Mastin saying a bunch of crazy shit, and me telling him he was probably wrong and he needed to settle down. It was pretty hard to follow a lot of his line of thinking much of the time.

he didnt think Zaz was scum...sort of forced that kill...and he thought VP was scum, was pretty sure he was town.

it was a tough group to replace into.

[curiouskarmadog]

so I need work on claiming on the fly...if I had claimed vanilla...I would have died a day earlier.

[curiouskarmadog]

I xkilled.

[curiouskarmadog]

they didnt blame THAT good of a game.

really their win was a result of my claim.