hi, i'm large normal 242. and i'm over with.

[Titus]

No. I guess we have nothing to talk about regarding the rolecop. I don't bully. We are just finishing the mass claim. I am not letting you coach your partner.

What is your result btw?

[Titus]

*I don't get bullied either.

[Titus]

No. I guess we have nothing to talk about regarding the rolecop. I don't bully. We are just finishing the mass claim. I am not letting you coach your partner.

What is your result btw?

I already said mine. You didn’t read did you?

You’re so focused on getting out of this you didn’t read.

Looked through. Can't find it.

[Titus]

Not_Mafia - Town
Enchant - Probably town, decent rolecop check no lim today
MalcolmTucker - Would elim (second choice)
Big Chungus Gaming - bad based on vca
Save The Dragons - Priority elimination
Cape90 - Would elim
Titus - Conftown
Toogeloo - gun to my head town, reveal if elo
MathBlade - Policy, would elim
marcistar - Feel the frustration, only look at if malcolm town
MariaR - Town

For now, a lim pool of StD, Malcolm, Math and Cape is decently small.

@MariaR, Toog, NM, thoughts?

[Titus]

If Enchant comes back vig, conftown. Kinda was hoping Enchant shoots you or me.

We've established any PR who plays not like you is scum fypov. Frogsterking, furtiveglance, me and BCG. All are town or likely town.

You don't die bc you're the problem.

[Titus]

Titus is prob town, but yeah Titus is infuriating to work with.

How am I infuriating you? Math is the one issuing orders.

[Titus]

I am not Vig.

I thought you claimed loyal vig?

[Titus]

How did you get to the “prob town” part

She backed off Pooky a bit and backed off Furtive like she had inside knowledge he’d flip town and won’t confirm her claim?

Your plan doesn't confirm my claim.

Aspies miss jokes. I considered the possibility of that and your plan.

Frankly, there's nothing to do until subs get here.

[Titus]

How did you get to the “prob town” part

She backed off Pooky a bit and backed off Furtive like she had inside knowledge he’d flip town and won’t confirm her claim?

Do mafia fakes follower on teammates from first night?


i don't think so

I am not Vig.

I thought you claimed loyal vig?

NM is Disloyal Vig.


I am not vig at all, i just joked. I am modified investigative.

... Where is my fucking rolelist

I do.

Especially if Pooky believes he’s going to die.

Then Titus can take cred. She’s ran all sorts of gambits.

She iirc (can’t check at work) railed against my shoot Pooky plan.

Yes...to lim Pooky and get another clear.

All claiming viwels does is tell my suspect to be honest ffs.

[Titus]

There is no priving my role aside from common sense.

[Titus]

Enchant, is there any chance Math is scum?

He 1) saved pooky from elim denying us a clear, 2) picked a fight with Frogster, 3) forced through furtiveglance elim, and 4) is trying to give outs to those who haven't claimed.

Is he just bad or scum?

[Titus]

Is two town Rolecops something that would appear in a normal game? That's where you lose me.

I'm very much aware and I reset on Frogsterking because of it. I think Frogsterking was designed to be a miselimination (he's the sole ungated role), with me as a backup miselimination. I mentioned as much before and when I CCed Frogsterking.

We should look at play IMO.

[Titus]

Is two town Rolecops something that would appear in a normal game? That's where you lose me.

It’s possible, but that’s why I would rather a partial role claim from Titus

So that way we can confirm role cop or not.

Then can sort her on play.

Mainly if she’s lying she needs to speak up now.

Schadd has been known to do weird stuff along with Isis.

I already did claim X shot rolecop.

[Titus]

*sole ungated invest

[Titus]

Is two town Rolecops something that would appear in a normal game? That's where you lose me.

I'm very much aware and I reset on Frogsterking because of it. I think Frogsterking was designed to be a miselimination (he's the sole ungated role), with me as a backup miselimination. I mentioned as much before and when I CCed Frogsterking.

We should look at play IMO.

Incorrect. I am ungated as well and said as such earlier I believe.

I have stated and believe that I am pretty much the cop in this game.

No. You're full of yourself. Your role is weak and you use it to tell people what to do.

[Titus]

Not_Mafia - Town
Enchant - Probably town, decent rolecop check no lim today
MalcolmTucker - Would elim (second choice)
Big Chungus Gaming - bad based on vca
Save The Dragons - Priority elimination
Cape90 - Would elim
Titus - Conftown
Toogeloo - gun to my head town, reveal if elo
MathBlade - Policy, would elim
marcistar - Feel the frustration, only look at if malcolm town
MariaR - Town

For now, a lim pool of StD, Malcolm, Math and Cape is decently small.

@MariaR, Toog, NM, thoughts?

You having this lim pool is like pretty funny

there is like 1 mafia at maximum

What's your pook?

[Titus]

Enchant, is there any chance Math is scum?

He 1) saved pooky from elim denying us a clear, 2) picked a fight with Frogster, 3) forced through furtiveglance elim, and 4) is trying to give outs to those who haven't claimed.

Is he just bad or scum?

i think just about everyone at this point claimed

No. My target has not.

[Titus]

I have stated and believe that I am pretty much the cop in this game.

I think technically a disloyal Vig is a better cop, lol

Toog, thoughts on my suspect pool?

[Titus]

Titus - didn't I come back VT for you? Why am I now in your lim pool?

You've always been in my pool. You came back vanilla not vt. Rolecops don't get alignment. Vanilla includes goons.

What are your thoughts?

[Titus]

Fuck it. I hate this game. No one wants the obvscum slot. StD is vanilla.

[Titus]

It's not the right move but I want to play mafia.

[Titus]

Can I get a reads list from you Math?

[Titus]

If NM has a shot since BGC is one shot of Titus won’t check there validating BGC and Marci doesn’t visit there (and she shouldn’t since she is claimed even night) wouldn’t hurt.

I haven't decided who I am checking n3 tyvm

[Titus]

If NM has a shot since BGC is one shot of Titus won’t check there validating BGC and Marci doesn’t visit there (and she shouldn’t since she is claimed even night) wouldn’t hurt.

I haven't decided who I am checking n3 tyvm

You said no earlier when I brought it up so I assumed that remained

I wasn't going to be told what to do.

[Titus]

Anyone in my pool or me. I am tired of being told what to do.

[Titus]

VOTE: StD

[Titus]

We're massclaiming.

[Titus]

Since Titus isn’t saying her check, I would say NM let’s do
If BCG flips scum StD
If BGC flips town then Marci or Std or Titus your choice

Just let me know which before EoD

Wow. NM gets a "let me know" while I get shaded for not making up my mind yet.

[Titus]

Since Titus isn’t saying her check, I would say NM let’s do
If BCG flips scum StD
If BGC flips town then Marci or Std or Titus your choice

Just let me know which before EoD

So your solve is BCG+me +1

or

Marci+Titus+Me

If so, your solve is wrong. But also, if I am in both solves, why are you advocating for BGC to go first instead of aiming for me today

Because it's my desired lim.

[Titus]

VOTE: StD

Also you are aiming for me lol

Yes VCA

[Titus]

No reason to elim a loyal bg claim. Matching BCG's target with Math confirms BCG and that target as sharing alignments. No match means different alignments.

[Titus]

I can then check bcg's role.

[Titus]

No reason to elim a loyal bg claim. Matching BCG's target with Math confirms BCG and that target as sharing alignments. No match means different alignments.

BGC says he has no more shots before replacing out.
Marci makes more sense mechanically to be scum
BGC makes more sense by play given he wanted to confirm Pooky before NM came out as disloyal vig.

Fuck mech. VCA.

If marci was a scum doctor, marci likely heals Pooky and claims elsewhere.

[Titus]

Well, we're making hardboiled eggs.

Marci, if I'm right on StD we can look at Malcolm tmo.

[Titus]

Setup is designed to lim each other. I am going with VCA. I haven't ruled out a PR being scum.

[Titus]

We'll actually sort through the PRs over time. I just stopped fake claim of a PR by scum goon. Now, time to verify.

You don't townread StD/Luke, so what's the problem?

[Titus]

We'll actually sort through the PRs over time. I just stopped fake claim of a PR by scum goon. Now, time to verify.

You don't townread StD/Luke, so what's the problem?

Uhm no you didn’t?

Again I don’t mind elimming StD.

It’s the StD => Malcolm scum I disagree with.

I tr Malcolm and don’t find the setup viable

Then we argue Malcolm tomorrow. Baby steps.

[Titus]

Okie dokie

[Titus]

I'm going to be slow to respond until tmo afternoon. Hopefully brief medical issue.

[Titus]

It's almost as if Lukewarm has a Mathblade defending him and going after PRs so he doesn't have to.

[Titus]

Is Lukewarm dead yet?

[Titus]

why do u need to confgirm nm again?

I think the point is to know : did they live because of the disloyal mod or because a scum doc was on them

Tests the target, not NM

This

It’s why I would prefer to test you over BGC

Because if you’re town and live to tomorrow and NM lives to tomorrow then you visit NM meaning we likely get a check on N4 and survives to N5.

If we confirm Lukewarm as the check, I am ok with a MalcolmTucker lim.

[Titus]

Hello! Who wants to catch me up on gamestate?

I am Cop with guilty on you.

I found scum already! Hot shit

We mass claimed. How many shots do you have?

[Titus]

Wait is Enchant serious then? Why does Mal have votes?

I have 1 shot

Remaining?

[Titus]

VOTE: Marci

Really feeling this instead.

Why are you changing your mind as soon as I ask to lock in Lukewarm as the check? Why are you saying Lukewarm is town as a basic assertion.

We can easily do this to confirm two players here.

We can send you and JF to Marci and NM to Luke, with a Marci track.

Then we flip Malcom.

[Titus]

Wait that's got a plot hole. Nevermind.

[Titus]

If BcG has his shot, then he should be the one to be confirmed. We can confirm BcG as the same or differing alignment as someone else. Math can voyeur it.

Then we have NM shoot Math to eliminate paranoia there as there's zero chance marci heals Math.

[Titus]

Scum doesn’t dictate checks

Townblock does.

Great. We can follow me.

My bet is you and Luke or Luke and MalcolmTucker with you as a beard.

[Titus]

If BcG has his shot, then he should be the one to be confirmed. We can confirm BcG as the same or differing alignment as someone else. Math can voyeur it.

Then we have NM shoot Math to eliminate paranoia there as there's zero chance marci heals Math.

I can check whomever Math wants in this setup fwiw as it likely endgames as we flip Malcolm.

[Titus]

Lmao

This reeks of desperation Titus.

Marci was designed the check a while back and agreed upon.

You can have your VT miselim and we check Marci

Or we can elim Marci.

I never agreed to anything. I'm hardly "desperate" as my suspect is wagoned.

You aren't defending Luke. You aren't showing your VCA. You are changing your target as soon as BCG says he has a shot.

Town!Math knows that using BCG shot with your result is golden.

Yet you change.

[Titus]

Because one of BGC and Marci have to be scum here.

Then play my plan out.

NM shoots you. He's disloyal. Marci can't fuck it up. Marci might as well visit Luke.

If we get BCG/Marci/you on Luke, then we get a practically solved game. NM could shoot Marci.

If BcG is scum, then his alignment will be confirmed same or different from Luke.

So if Marci's scum, she's dead. If BcG is scum, then we get likely don't get a matching visit.

There's no way for them to hide.

[Titus]

Because one of BGC and Marci have to be scum here.

Then play my plan out.

NM shoots

you

Marci. He's disloyal. Marci can't fuck it up. Marci might as well visit Luke.

If we get BCG/Marci/you on Luke, then we get a practically solved game. NM could shoot Marci.

If BcG is scum, then his alignment will be confirmed same or different from Luke.

So if Marci's scum, she's dead. If BcG is scum, then we get likely don't get a matching visit.

There's no way for them to hide.

Edit by way of post

[Titus]

Then I can check Marci with my plan.

You and BCG/Johnny on Luke still sets up power. NM shooting Marci is your ideal world too.

[Titus]

I don’t trust Johnny has one and only one shot. Predecessor said it was used.

I want NM Me and Johnny on Marci as was agreed upon

Then Johnny will out himself as scum by not visiting Luke or out them as partners.

[Titus]

Then I can check Marci with my plan.

You and BCG/Johnny on Luke still sets up power. NM shooting Marci is your ideal world too.

I am not letting the scum partner check their buddy.

NM shoot Marci I voyeur Marci Johnny visit Marci is the only way to reliably check both. If you like you can check Johnny.

We agree NM shoots Marci, so why vote her?

We can confirm Johnny and Luke tonight with this information.

You actually need to listen.

You said yourself that scum have no roleblocker.

So play out every scenario.

There's no way scum engame if we have Johnny and you go to Luke. I think you know that though.

[Titus]

The more you beg the more I am convinced I am right.

Math and Luke. Sign sealed and delivered.

[Titus]

So are we boutta mechanically win this game then? Snore

Yes, if Math cooperates. If he refuses, we should just eliminate Luke.

[Titus]

We can't 100% box the game in without knowing a bg result from Johnny though.

[Titus]

I'd rather lim Luke and check Malcolm but the result is near the same.

Math being scum makes a hell of a lot of sense. Why would scum shoot a rolecop when NM could permaclear with Math's assistance unless Math's assistance was a lie.

[Titus]

Johnny, under what conditions do you lose your shot?

[Titus]

I'm checking Math tonight.

I can't force him to play protown. So I'll have to confirm him as scum tomorrow.

[Titus]

I might have used it on Pooky but the verbiage was a little weird, so I was just getting confirmation

So is it used or not? Under what conditions?

[Titus]

VOTE: Lukewarm

Who is with me?

[Titus]

I'm checking Math tonight.

I can't force him to play protown. So I'll have to confirm him as scum tomorrow.

It’s okay Titus.

I read you as not a rolecop.

It’s why you shot Frog and let Pooky die.

You could shoot me then Pooky gets a ton of sus when only one death.
Or you could shoot Frog who outs you as Vanilla cop or Neo.

It’s a rough choice.

I expect you to make up crap tomorrow.

This fight is just bogging down the thread.

The answer is you and Luke or Luke and Malcolm. Whatever happens will show that. We both know NM fails to shoot Marci so you might as well give up the ghost there already. There's no roleblocker, according to your own words. There's no bodyguard that can save Marci because that's GG. A second doctor is ludicrious.

So Marci survives, she's town.

GG for your theory. You're stuck creating a second doctor.

Me and Marci is your only theory.

[Titus]

Marci can be one shot BP.

This false godfather clear wouldn't happen in a normal game. You're reaching.

I hate that you're just being opposite for the sake of being opposite. A rationally thinking mechanics based player would say proving Johnny and Luke/Malcolm is the right manuever because then it PoEs the game to you, me, marci, luke/malcolm.

The problem is you won't do that because you want every exit hatch open.

[Titus]

Well it technically would leave Johnny/Luke as an exact scumteam but then that would just be forced away by every kill being dictated in the game.

[Titus]

Marci can be one shot BP.

This false godfather clear wouldn't happen in a normal game. You're reaching.

I hate that you're just being opposite for the sake of being opposite. A rationally thinking mechanics based player would say proving Johnny and Luke/Malcolm is the right manuever because then it PoEs the game to you, me, marci, luke/malcolm.

The problem is you won't do that because you want every exit hatch open.

The PoE is

technically

everyone but NM.

I know I am town and that’s it.

I tr Toog but it is even possible for him to be scum

Then why are you so against Luke and saying we could miselim Malcolm?

[Titus]

So Lukewarm skates? Got it.

We'll return back tomorrow.

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

[Titus]

What I am not following is why that path is strictly better, to the point of you and Math fighting over it, if Math wants to do Marci? Like, that also pulls two people out of the PoE that you seem to be presenting since you have every player being discussed as an option in your PoE to start with, right?

Because with our PRs clear, you and Math have nowhere to hide. The VCA screams that you're scum. Math is throwing a fit onto obvtown when his role is unverified.

[Titus]

We get confirmed matching slignments rather than clearing someone we should already know is town.

[Titus]

I can verify it is possible for Enchant to have a guilty. I did rolecop him. He is not a vanilla.

[Titus]

I know based upon his role who it is likely on, but I think it's best to hear all results first.

I will not out Enchant's role.

[Titus]

Titus should state my role after everyone else claim and confirm action. Afterwards, i tell on who i have guilty.

MathBlade will be more or less confirmed by stating results afterwards, so skipped for now.

That's a great plan.

Everyone else.
Enchant.
Me.

[Titus]

Sorry
Everyone else
Math
Enchant
Me

[Titus]

Titus should state my role after everyone else claim and confirm action. Afterwards, i tell on who i have guilty.

MathBlade will be more or less confirmed by stating results afterwards, so skipped for now.

I can't confirm his action unless he claims it first. Logically impossible.

I already confirmed it's possible he has a guilty. I suspect he might actually have an implied guilty as well but logically he has at least 1 guilty.

[Titus]

No wait Math you're right on the order. I'm fine with the order.

[Titus]

Math, you should confirm whether or not you got a result.

[Titus]

Math, you should confirm whether or not you got a result.

I agreed to enchant’s plan. I will wait until others have claimed.

Enchant's claim details you outing your result after everyone claims. It doesn't state whether you claim you got one. You should as it would limit fake claiming no?

[Titus]

Math, you should confirm whether or not you got a result.

I agreed to enchant’s plan. I will wait until others have claimed.

Enchant's claim details you outing your result after everyone claims. It doesn't state whether you claim you got one. You should as it would limit fake claiming no?

I said my target yesterday.

If I state whether or not I have a result it tells others what to claim or not claim.

The order exists for a reason.

Everyone else's actions were already locked. This is likely a stall manuever to see what others claim first. I can't force it but I think you're scummy here. My action is already locked. It's not like my result will change and I'm the one you allegedly had a problem with and I couldn't have visited Maria.

[Titus]

Math, you should confirm whether or not you got a result.

I agreed to enchant’s plan. I will wait until others have claimed.

Enchant's claim details you outing your result after everyone claims. It doesn't state whether you claim you got one. You should as it would limit fake claiming no?

I said my target yesterday.

If I state whether or not I have a result it tells others what to claim or not claim.

The order exists for a reason.

Everyone else's actions were already locked. This is likely a stall manuever to see what others claim first. I can't force it but I think you're scummy here. My action is already locked. It's not like my result will change and I'm the one you allegedly had a problem with and I couldn't have visited Maria.

What does Maria have to do with any of this?

We were clearing or confirming her yesterday, no?

[Titus]

sorry marcistar

I'm fucking tired.

[Titus]

Ok scum. Can't force you until what you claim is your turn. Even though it's now.

[Titus]

Ok scum. Can't force you until what you claim is your turn. Even though it's now.

It’s literally not.

You just okayed it.

It’s everyone else
Me
You
Enchant

That's for full results. You should still claim a result first. You've been obsessed with me faking because you're the fake.

[Titus]

*if you got a result

[Titus]

Ok, with that out of the way, can we move on? I believe everyone else has said no possible action.

[Titus]

even night combined doctor tracker,

was more focused on the doc aspect ammitingly

VT.

Sorry, my roommate was in a car accident this morning. Might be a bit before I actually get caught up.

I'm a VT

i am guessing mass claim is just something we are doing

I am vanilla town

[Titus]

Math, your result, if you have one.

[Titus]

Now my turn.

I have 1 Action invest (other than myself) arriving at my spot.
Therefore Marci is probably town barring a NM roleblock.

Enough to where she’s lock atm.

Sus is on Johnny’s slot and makes sense with wanting to backup Pooky.

Now it’s Titus’s turn. What is Enchant?

I suspect Enchant visited Marci (otherwise a scum invest visited Marci which is weird).

Enchant is a night 3 voyeur. I suspected he went and voyeured NM and got you didn't show, which is why I wanted to peg you down before Johnny claimed.

[Titus]

Now my turn.

I have 1 Action invest (other than myself) arriving at my spot.
Therefore Marci is probably town barring a NM roleblock.

Enough to where she’s lock atm.

Sus is on Johnny’s slot and makes sense with wanting to backup Pooky.

Now it’s Titus’s turn. What is Enchant?

I suspect Enchant visited Marci (otherwise a scum invest visited Marci which is weird).

Enchant is a night 3 voyeur. I suspected he went and voyeured NM and got you didn't show, which is why I wanted to peg you down before Johnny claimed.

Well if he says that he’s an idiot as he gets elimmed tomorrow then you after him so unlikely?

You've been defending obvscum Luke, pushing obvtown marci and been trying to setup spec over scumhunt. Enchant having a similar role to you and claiming a guilty makes a hell of a lot of sense.

[Titus]

If you're not guilty, I want a revised readslist with particular detail on Luke or VCA.

[Titus]

Cape might be scum here. In the last 5 posts he has FoSed me, math, johnny, luke and marci just riling people up.

[Titus]

I pretty much hard TR everyone else (well almost hard TR Enchant, mild paranoia but I am like 95% sure town there).

[Titus]

Quite possible. I like time to think here.

Fair. Will try to recover energy so we can talk vca later or tomorrow. Technically tonight is date night but not sure if well enough to go.

[Titus]

Spoiler:

vote count 1.7 !

Big Chungus Gaming (4):

KittyTacky, PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo, Frogsterking

Save The Dragons (3):

Gamma Emerald, Charloux, Enchant

Frogsterking (3):

Greeting, Big Chungus Gaming, Save The Dragons

MalcolmTucker (1):

MariaR

Cape90 (1):

SirRhett

Toogeloo (1):

marcistar

Enchant (1):

Cape90

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, Fennec

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-12 15:00:00)

modorator notes

• e

Furtive
Dragons
Pooky
MariaR

Is disproven by the D1 greeting wagon

viewtopic.php?p=13520704#p13520704 1.9 (sorry mobile)

That scum team for the most part lurks. A surprise wagon on lurker Greeting would bring a lot of heat and be town driven and Pooky plops on.

Pooky isn’t one to do something without believing it helps him town or scum.

So since Pooky thought switching from BGC to greeting despite it 4 and 4 and both being town in that world.

That doesn’t add up to me.

I'm feeling a Pooky+Dragons+furtive+BCG scum team right about now.

VOTE: furtive

This was Frogsterking's last readwall before being shot. He was shot BEFORE not mafia or math who could in theory cause a clear chain giving us arguably an extra clear or scumfirm.

We know Furtiveglance was wrong.

If we do lim Johnny and it flips scum, I want Luke tomorrow. No questions asked.

Then we sort Math/Cape.

[Titus]

So wait do we not have a mech win? I haven't really thought critically about the game since hearing that

We don't because Math spammed out the right play and wouldn't listen.

Ideally we'd do Luke today but I'm going to get spammed down again.

[Titus]

Lol Cape's scum.

Moving on.

[Titus]

To be clear I find that Marci scum is unlikely but not impossible if Marci odd night RB even night combined tracker doc

I don’t believe that I just find it possible

This is correct.

Cape+Luke is near certain.

Johnny is likely a flubbed the claim scenario and thus must be eliminated before elo.

[Titus]

I’m pretty sure that’s where I will end up

It’s more trying to find the protective there.

Mainly I think scum need some way to mess with this confirmation chain I built D1 (granted I was an idiot readwose) but mechanically I wasn’t.

Shoot you? Any protective gets eliminated....Refusal to coordinate, lots of odd man out lims (furtiveglance, enchant, bodyguard claim).

VTs are not innos. Go back to basics and vca please if you're town.

[Titus]

Like to me, Titus not checking Johnny to me is a scum claim.

I checked the unclaimed role bc Enchant asked and Johnny was going to be seen by you.

[Titus]

It's Luke and Cape.

While Math still FoSes me, his recent posting is +town.

I don't think it matters though because Math won't go back to the VCA that says StD/Luke scum before the flip.

Please give him time to see that and that I'm being pounced on for being right.

I was right on marci Math. Please at least verify my work.

Don't rush the day.

I get Johnny is today's lim (bc fucked claim) but that doesn't mean we stop hunting.

Even if you lie to me Math so you fake tunnel me to live, just say you've done it.

[Titus]

UNVOTE:

I see where idea comes from, but do you understand there's 3 mafia?

The third might be Johnny. Definitely Luke and Cape though. I want them bc I am that sure.

[Titus]

Math tends to artificially tunnel and I didn't take the comment about take your miselimination well but scum!Math has no reason to reevaluate here.

I like Luke Cage and possibly Johnny.

Enchant is town almost certainly.
marcistar is likely town.
Mathblade is less likely scum as he would have screamed for my wagon sooner and reevaluation above.

That leaves Johnny, Luke, Cape, Toog and Maria.

More VCA.

Spoiler:

vote count 1.4 !

MariaR (4):

Gamma Emerald, Frogsterking, PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo

Cape90 (2):

SirRhett, Save The Dragons

Toogeloo (2):

Charloux, MariaR, marcistar

Frogsterking (2):

Big Chungus Gaming, Greeting

Big Chungus Gaming (2):

KittyTacky, Cape90

KittyTacky (1):

Nero Cain

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, Fennec

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modorator notes

• added 4 days to the deadline. Bc the site stopped working for like 2 and a half days ?

Toog unlikely scum unless with Cape. MariaR would be overloaded otherwise.

Spoiler:

vote count 1.8 !

Big Chungus Gaming (4):

KittyTacky, PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo, Frogsterking

Save The Dragons (3):

Gamma Emerald, Charloux, Enchant

Frogsterking (3):

Greeting, Big Chungus Gaming, Save The Dragons

Enchant (2):

Cape90, furtiveglance

MalcolmTucker (1):

MariaR

Cape90 (1):

Titus

Toogeloo (1):

marcistar

not voting (1):

MalcolmTucker

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-12 15:00:00)

modorator notes

• working up the vote count count

Look at the three wagons. StD wagon likely pure.
Frogsterking first NK pushing BcG.

Greeting wagon turns away from StD wagon.

Pooky wagon started by MariaR. Unlikely partners.


If we take out MariaR and Toog


Scumpool Johnny, Cape, Luke.

[Titus]

*sigh*

Why does MariaR start the Pooky wagon? MariaR is the counter to likely scum.


As for Toog being unlikely scum unless with Cape is due to neighbors and overloading. If Toog was scum, Pooky and Toog voted MariaR side by side overloading.

[Titus]

I didn't goof anything up Math. I am and have been fucking right. You are just stubborn.

If you listened and looked at VCA, you'd see a scum Luke. Due all of it.

[Titus]

I didn't goof anything up Math. I am and have been fucking right. You are just stubborn.

If you listened and looked at VCA, you'd see a scum Luke. Due all of it.

Then let’s get the scum we agree on.

If you’re town that’s surely protown right?

I agree with that solely because Johnny cannot live to elo with a flubbed claim. I want to get your entire PoE down. Johnny is my least likely scum target. If Johnny is the second townie to mess up his claim, we go into elo with you having exactly backwards reads but for marcistar.

I feel you've concluded I am scum for not playing your way rather than looking at evidence.

[Titus]

And if Johnny flips bodyguard scum and Frogsterking was shot for his reads?

[Titus]

I have premises that lead to conclusions.

If premises are wrong (see prior post) address where and how they are.

Otherwise my reads don’t change

How did your read change based on marcistar town? It feels like you're going down the same path rather than reviewing. I mean this in more confbias than effort.

[Titus]

I have premises that lead to conclusions.

If premises are wrong (see prior post) address where and how they are.

Otherwise my reads don’t change

How did your read change based on marcistar town? It feels like you're going down the same path rather than reviewing. I mean this in more confbias than effort.

My read on marcistar changed because I have evidence NM didn’t visit and is town?

Considering Pooky not saved it’s unlikely Marci scum

Right...but you solve based on wholisitic factors. You had to have wrong premises leading you to that conclusion that I couldn't break you of. What were those wrong premises? Who put them in your ear?

You're talking about reanalyzing but it's not there.

[Titus]

But the proper approach IMO, is to use the breaking and let scum mess up. Unless you and Enchant are scum together, we confirmed Enchant voyuered and verified your role.

If we would have all targeted Luke, we would have gotten a scum death.

If I hadn't, you would have seen a random investigative and might have concluded that someone was lying scum.

Accepting the advantage we had was the proper play. Either you hate my analysis because it's me or you had people in your ear to save Luke.


Look at Frogsterking's last read post.

[Titus]

Spoiler:

vote count 1.7 !

Big Chungus Gaming (4):

KittyTacky, PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo, Frogsterking

Save The Dragons (3):

Gamma Emerald, Charloux, Enchant

Frogsterking (3):

Greeting, Big Chungus Gaming, Save The Dragons

MalcolmTucker (1):

MariaR

Cape90 (1):

SirRhett

Toogeloo (1):

marcistar

Enchant (1):

Cape90

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, Fennec

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-12 15:00:00)

modorator notes

• e

Furtive
Dragons
Pooky
MariaR

Is disproven by the D1 greeting wagon

viewtopic.php?p=13520704#p13520704 1.9 (sorry mobile)

That scum team for the most part lurks. A surprise wagon on lurker Greeting would bring a lot of heat and be town driven and Pooky plops on.

Pooky isn’t one to do something without believing it helps him town or scum.

So since Pooky thought switching from BGC to greeting despite it 4 and 4 and both being town in that world.

That doesn’t add up to me.

I'm feeling a

Pooky+Dragons

+furtive+

BCG

scum team right about now.

VOTE: furtive

The bolded is why Frogsterking was shot. Not mech.

[Titus]

You keep saying the whole game but you're claiming your will is the whole game. It's not.

Johnny's flip tells us precisely nothing. It's a mandatory flip.

If you're not willing to substantively engage until that flip, it is what it is.

I checked scum stopping them from changing the claim.

Frog and I were town core.

[Titus]

Like literally Enchant just claims.

He said he had a guilty. It’s not a 100% guilty but probable.

There’s no missing invest Titus.

I didn't say there was. I said you would have pushed Enchant as scum because a wild invest appeared if I hadn't checked him

I gtg

[Titus]

Only worked because I copped Enchant.

Game's basically in marci+Enchant hands now if you still won't listen.

[Titus]

Only worked because I copped Enchant.

Game's basically in marci+Enchant hands now if you still won't listen.

Nah. I literally see it. Enchant claimed double before today and gave me stink eye telling me Enchant was voyeur.

You literally did a useless check,

Enchant literally asked me to cop them...

[Titus]

Which since we are elimming Johnny there’s like no reason to try to hero solve.

It's not a hero solve to use the time we're given. I want to hear your thoughts on Luke without you actually saying I'm scum/bad.

That's not hero solving.

[Titus]

Lukewarm and Cape are literally trying to shut this conversation down....

[Titus]

That’s require three scum back to back to back which imho is a bad idea.

I do think Titus should be forced to visit Marci though.

Mainly since Marci is the obvious kill I want to voyeur Marci again and see if Titus has any “extras”.

And then whoever is doing the kill then can’t be Titus which will help narrow shit down.

I'll visit Marci. No one will be left unclaimed so I'll visit whoever.

[Titus]

It is my last shot though tonight.

[Titus]

What benifit of visiting marci who is most likely not lying about role (due being town), instead of anyone else?

The benefit is Math gets what he wants and we might actually engage and talk about reads tomorrow. We might actually eliminate Luke and Cape and win. Beyond that, there is none.

[Titus]

I'm sad this game turned into mech city over mafia and that's why I'm basically sitting here and waiting.

That’s very suspicious to me as I remember you being in mech conversations in the past.

Yes this turned mech heavy but the mech is important this game. Mafia is social + mech

Can you just stop saying everyone who objects is automatically scummy? You're just yelling down whomever doesn't cave and it's negative fun.

[Titus]

She doesn’t want to elim Johnny today because she wants us to guess all three correctly in a row.

This is not what I have said at all. I have said Johnny must be the elimination today. I feel Luke and Cape are more likely to flip scum but Johnny cannot be in elo.

Can you stop playing with a characture of me where I am this super controlling megavillian therefore nothing I say is correct?

[Titus]

Math, who am I checking? I don't care at this point. You've disregarded everything I've said and will disregard Luke being scum because mech which makes zero sense.

So just tell me what to do. Then I'll hammer and we can get back to mafia tomorrow.

[Titus]

Cape vanilla. At dinner.

[Titus]

Math, your setup spec is wrong. It is Luke and Cape.

[Titus]

Can we not blow our last miselimination on obvious town that wagoned Pooky?

[Titus]

Like just wagon me or wagon Luke. If we miseliminate today, I'm voting Luke.

VOTE: Luke

[Titus]

Enchant Titus Math me town all I need to know anyone else can get voted.

Then join me on Luke.

[Titus]

Math, if that was anyone else, you'd see scum trying to save their buddy.

Either you eliminate me to get your head screwed on straight or we eliminate my SRs.

There's only one town that can be off wagon and hit a scum. I'd rather it not be you but a girl's gotta do what a girl's gotta do.

Last post tonight. IRL Sadness

[Titus]

I could't post today, because of insomnia. In bad sense.

For now:
Math/Titus most likely different alignments. Very unlikely both scum, likely one-one evil, very unlikely both town (but i don't really see team in VTs)
Remaining teammate depends on who actually, will look carefully when i sleep

Talk to me how you're getting TvS on Titus/Math?

As much as I detest Math's absolute refusal to vote scum or do VCA, he's not likely scum unless his partner is precisely Luke. Math, being the mech guy he is, wouldn't let a partner die, lock himself into a claim, and not immediately push me day 2.

Frogsterking dies over Math/not mafia for his reads. He had perfect reads but for furtiveglance.

[Titus]

That seems incorrect. Maria and I had a big fight about Pooky scum.

Ironically we were both pushing scum correctly.

Yeah, I see it further down the iso, after you were pushing to spare Pooky. Prior to that, there wasn't any case building.

The issue I have is how little presence Maria has had, and they've attacked myself and every one of my town reads outside of Pooky, all of which have flipped town, all while maintaining a near invisible presence in the game.

It smells off.

Math has ensured that anyone not doing what he wants must fight tooth and nail to be heard only to get plugged ears.

[Titus]

Math, if every universe you have has me as scum, vote me out. I can't be in elo with you with your refusal to reevaluate and do common sense vca along with looking at Frogsterking's last reads.

Why did Frogsterking die before not_mafia? Only two reasons: one, his reads were accurate and two to frame me.

I am not voting anyone but Luke. If you have me as town, vote Luke.

I don't think I'll be able to persuade you but I'll keep trying until blue in the face.

[Titus]

Spoiler:

vote count 1.7 !

Big Chungus Gaming (4):

KittyTacky, PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo, Frogsterking

Save The Dragons (3):

Gamma Emerald, Charloux, Enchant

Frogsterking (3):

Greeting, Big Chungus Gaming, Save The Dragons

MalcolmTucker (1):

MariaR

Cape90 (1):

SirRhett

Toogeloo (1):

marcistar

Enchant (1):

Cape90

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, Fennec

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-12 15:00:00)

modorator notes

• e

Furtive
Dragons
Pooky
MariaR

Is disproven by the D1 greeting wagon

viewtopic.php?p=13520704#p13520704 1.9 (sorry mobile)

That scum team for the most part lurks. A surprise wagon on lurker Greeting would bring a lot of heat and be town driven and Pooky plops on.

Pooky isn’t one to do something without believing it helps him town or scum.

So since Pooky thought switching from BGC to greeting despite it 4 and 4 and both being town in that world.

That doesn’t add up to me.

I'm feeling a Pooky+Dragons+furtive+BCG scum team right about now.

VOTE: furtive

Except for furtiveglance, this readwall is 100% right.

[Titus]

This is Luke and Cape.

They are dividing the town.

Scum!Titus never ccs Frogsterking with a guaranteed mislim in furtiveglance.

Just eliminate me now if you won't even discuss Luke. Accelerate the loss at least.

[Titus]

I spent time diverting from one scum to another which I get ZERO talk on.

[Titus]

We still should have done my plan. Luke is bragging.

[Titus]

Now, Math, you know my scum game and that it should be blatantly obvious Luke is selling a narrative. I never decide player X is a miselimination prior to the start. Being scum is about giving town what it wants.

StD has been scum. Frogsterking knew it so he died. Luke replaced him and has done nothing but kiss your ass and encourage you to order me around.

Town!Titus doesn't get ordered around. She catches scum.

It's Luke and Cape.

It would be 10000% easier to eliminate the obvtown that put Pooky in the dirt but I won't let it happen without them doing it.

Road life calls.

[Titus]

MariaR, can you stop please? Enchant's vote history is not bad

[Titus]

titus' claim still doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I think the claim was easy to make anyways. Also marci was quite literally another investigative this game anyways, and titus as another investigative with mathblade and Enchant as town seems pretty frozen wolf to me. Like they are only pointing fingers at the "scummiest" people versus what is actually mechanically viable

It was easy to CC someone for literally no gain?

[Titus]

Frog had a lot of influence. They are killing Frog, not Rolecop, otherwise Titus would have been as just a scary threat.

This. Look at Frogsterking last read...StD scum.
That hasn't changed.
Wagons didn't change.

[Titus]

I'm in a bit of bored phase tbh. While Math was ordering people v mech, I solved by play and I'm just waiting for catch up.

Lol season ends the 14th. Grind time

[Titus]

But you are pushing Cape, which has never been in Frog's PoE. Maria was though, StD was as well, and Frog had a ton of skepticism over Math trying to out PRs while resolving Pooky.

Pushing Cape is where you lost me yesterday. Cape is town.

Then we can argue Maria v Cape tomorrow. I am 100% Luke scum. Like 85% on cape

[Titus]

Mech mech mech mech

Meanwhile the most obvious scum coast because Titus is omg perfect scum ever.

We lose this game now because Math won't give credit to town.

[Titus]

Because omg we have to mech things. Ignore any discussion of Luke cape.

[Titus]

Then try again if you’re town.

I don’t think you can be.

Try again to explain Luke or Cape scum.

VCA - They hard countered Pooky wagon.

Frogsterking shot because his scum pool was precisely right

Coasting on mech. You exhausted everyone with mech guesses and shouted down Luke.

[Titus]

Town gave up working around your spam. You won't give MariaR credit for the Pooky wagon, so we lose. You'll say Enchant whiteknighted me when he tried to get you to see reason. You'll say Toog lirking when VCA clears him.

You'll come up with something. You always do. It's never your fault.

[Titus]

Yesterday, Cape was FoSing everyone and their brother.

[Titus]

At least this time I won't have to post.

[Titus]

The balance was fine, if people played mafia scum lost this.

Luke's slot was such obvious scum but King Math said no so town lost.