Large Normal 229 | Manatee's Musical Mafia | Game Over

[SJReaver]

VOTE: Town Looter

Reason:

Shot through the heart and you're to blame.

This is my first game out of the newbie forum. Question: "The townvmafia numbers are confirmed to be 16v5," so this is definitely two factions? No worrying about more than one mafia or a serial killer?

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Why did i join a 20+ game. Omg. Time to fight against the wagon dynamics of dogpiling on an random player.
Vigs better shoot tonight.

I finished reading Bananas just yesterday. You are good scum. Dangerous if red.

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Hi reaver.

Hey, I've been good since we last spoke. Yourself?

You probably remember my habits and back ground, and how I'm a beginning gamer when it comes to mafia. I hope we can work together as well in this game as we did before.

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hey Reaver, why did you read that large game and when did you start reviewing it?

I was bored waiting for this one to start and then the thread sucked me in. It was like binging a soap opera or a season of Game of Thrones.

I hoped it would help me become a better player. Mostly, it confused me.

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I got a light TR on SJReaver for his post pointing out he read my scumgame and noted he believes i'm skilled at playing as scum. It doesn't seem like something scum!him would just casually put out there if it wasn't a real worry for him.

I did notice a serious lack of engagement from you at points. You strike me as someone who likes a mental challenge and when you're allowed to coast as scum, you mentally check out. When the pinch is on, you suddenly become more active.

That you've made an appearance and are reading people this early suggests the basic set up of the game (find the bad guys) is helping to motivate you.

As days pass, I hope you remain that way.

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I see, so when you got your role pm 2 days ago you started reading that game?

I think so. It feels longer than two days. I've been lurking in the sign-up queue waiting for this game to start for awhile.

Odd question. I thought you'd ask if I'd picked up any hints or scum-hunting tactics.

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Was thinking if your alignment in this game motivated you to read that game.
It seems like you tried to grasp their characteristics.

I did.

The problem is that town had some very strong players... but those players still made poor guesses. By the end, I thought Almost50 was one of the best scumreaders I'd seen. I was sure town would win with him in the final three. When Lucky flipped green, it didn't expect it, because Almost's logic made such good sense.

I'm still processing it.

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VOTE: Bell

penis

So happy to be out of newbies and brushing shoulders with the great minds of mafiascum.com

Hey Lapsa, what do you think of Bell's line of questioning? Is how someone responds to a role PM alignment indicative?

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Oh yeah, derp.

This game is hilarious, I have no fucking idea what to do, the number of people is overwhelming. Good to have some familiar faces though. Might be able to get a solid read for a change...

Given the size of this group, how do you feel about eliminating low-activity slots?

Do you agree with Norwegian that vigs should shoot early?

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And now, can we start calling eachother scum so that we can have meaningful discussion, please? This debate about lynching and shooting basing on activity isn't alignment indicative, and we've basically killed RVS' significance here.

I'm here for you, bro.

VOTE: Mashmallow

Reason:

Claims previous discussion is NAI and has killed RVS on

page 2

when the majority of people haven't voted. Claims calling others scum is more useful but then doesn't do it themselves.

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^ page 3. I'm not a mathematician, okay. Numbers aren't my thing.

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This vote count distribution makes my eye twitch.

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Yes there are exactly 16 town, and exactly 5 mafia of one faction.

Full and odd-night vigilantes should almost always be shooting night 1. X-shot is pretty situational.

superbowl's two recent posts ping.

Actually answering my question. Thanks!

Why do the posts 'ping?' That's pretty ambiguous.

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Thinking Reaver is excited town. Or not a newb.

Thinking Reaver is excited town. Or not a newb.

Thanks for pointing this out. Went to ISO that slot and have a completely different opinion now.

I'm not sure why this keeps on happening, but no, I'm not an alt. I started playing Town of Salem in early-July and switched to forum mafia because I like the slower pace. Other than that, I don't have any experience with the game.

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Yeah. The TR was based on that specific post. When I took a better look at all their posts I got a better feel for their playstyle.

And my opinion changed as a result.

...and?

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That's disappointing.

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Why do you feel the need to put "reason" next to every vote you make?

The continued inability of others to read my mind.

Because it was the best thing to do at the time xD. You advocated for the scum syntax theory.

He was making a joke. Not a good one, but it's Bell. You have to make allowances.

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So far, Bell sounds like town!Bell. I expect a wagon on him Day 2 because he tosses out reads with complete confidence but when asked why, simply says 'I just know.'

Activity tell eh.
Well i won’t disagree with you. I tend to lose interest sometimes if the game loses energy and i’m scum. (Because then i see no point in re-energizing it)

In my first game, I argued that someone was mafia because they used emotes. Even if this is a weak observation, it's a step up.

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here's my conclusion. Anime avatars are horrible.

Strong townread on Nero.

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Nothing wrong with that post. Why wouldn't !townMM try to halt discussion that they think is filler and bloating the thread?

-- Even if they find it to be filler, it might serve a purpose.
-- Spending your time trying to halt bad discussion isn't the same thing as attempting to generate good discussion.
-- If filler is removed from a thread, the pace becomes sluggish and the activity level dips. It makes it easier to coast.

Hey Lapsa, what do you think of Bell's line of questioning? Is how someone responds to a role PM alignment indicative?

I don't.

Do you have any reads so far? Any thoughts on the conversations?

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Strong drunkread on 72

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here's my conclusion. Anime avatars are horrible.

Strong townread on Nero.

^ This was serious, by the way. I like the way he switches from pointed observations to chatter. It suggests he's trying to understand the motivations of players but also that he isn't self-conscious. That reads townie to me.

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Nothing wrong with that post. Why wouldn't !townMM try to halt discussion that they think is filler and bloating the thread?

-- Even if they find it to be filler, it might serve a purpose.
-- Spending your time trying to halt bad discussion isn't the same thing as attempting to generate good discussion.
-- If filler is removed from a thread, the pace becomes sluggish and the activity level dips. It makes it easier to coast.

"Spending your time trying to halt bad discussion isn't the same thing as attempting to generate good discussion." Thanks Sherlock. What's you point?

My point being that there are reasons town!MM wouldn't try to halt discussion they consider filler.

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Why did you feel the need to state the Strong townread was serious? Why didn't you explain your read in the same post as you stated the read?

Because it when I re-read it, it looked like a joke.

Did you really not know why I did that?

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Why do you feel the need to put "reason" next to every vote you make?

Why did you feel the need to state the Strong townread was serious?

Do you townread Marshmellow? I find when people echo specific phrases while speaking with me, it's because the second speaker feels comfortable with the first.

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and how do you tell the diffrence?

I have no clue and that is why I suck at this game.

Can we go back to Norwegian though? I'm interested in if you're scum-reading him.

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Can we go back to Norwegian though? I'm interested in if you're scum-reading him.

I'm not really understanding why a naked vote is getting everybody up in arms. I'm not really hard scumreading him or anything but I had a little niggle and I didn't really want to leave my vote empty after I got off Stan. Its been a while but I vaguely recall norway proclaiming himself as town ad nasuem when he was scum.

That makes perfect sense. I had wondered if you saw something I didn't.

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The conversation between Neo and Norwegian looked like town snapping at one another. Power Over Me's vote struck me as more calculating and opportunistic, in that he was aiming for an emotional response from Norwegian.

It could be because he genuinely considers emotional responses alignment indicitive or it could be because he wanted to create a narrative of Norwegian overreating.

I lean slightly scum on it.

The Stanley thing looks like nothing to me. There are days when almost all the interaction in a thread feels fabricated to me. That sense of unreality is probably because when you're searching for scum, you'll see traces of it everywhere.

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That's why I called it opportunistic.

If Norway had been calm, there'd be no reason to expect an emotional reaction from a second vote.

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Norway is scum. I'm not moving my vote for the rest of the day.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt but this is bullshit.

You didn't test Norway for reactivity, you targeted a poster you already knew tended to react to things and are now spinning that reaction into proof of being mafia. I mentioned at the beginning of the game that Norway was a good scum player, and I think you're trying to capitalize on townie paranoia of being tricked by good scum players.

Even if you did think Norway might be scum, there's no way you'd be 100% sure this early and planting your vote here means less pressure on real mafia. It's a safe way to look like you're scumhunting while contributing little.

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

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I read Nero and Bell as strong town.

I want to town read Glitch, but I'm lazy and for some reason when I read his posts, my eyes start to glaze over. I'll give him light town points and hope someone else points out if he's scummy.

72, Townlooter, Cat Scratch, and superbowl are all light town reads as well.

I expect more people to read 72 as scum the more he posts, but I went through a newbie game where he was miseliminated, and tends to be all over the place.

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Oh right, my possible scum pool is fuzzy alien, penis dude, MM, and David Bowie.

Who else is in this game? Lickity and Balloon Pete. They're null.

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Oh right, my possible scum pool is fuzzy alien, penis dude, MM, and David Bowie.

Can you use regular names or something recognizable from their name? I can’t keep up with a lot of personalized pet nicknames in a 20+ game.

I can't keep up with all the real names in a 20+ game.

Stanley, Marshmellow, Lapid, NoPowerOverMe

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And why did you feel the need in 387 to state that you like your Marshmallow vote?

More phrase echoing.

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He was never here. It was all a figment of our collective imagination.

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Random question, but do you feel like you have learned and improved since our last foray together? I feel like you have, so follow up question is what are your new, er, skills (for lack of a better term/phrase)?

The game ended two days ago. Is there something you think I should have learned?

Dead chat didn't like me and thought I was scum. But I wasn't scum and I managed to survive to the end and get both the mafia members.

I guess 'you can suck and still win' is a lesson.

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I think town would try and incorporate other players into the game rather than try to convince others to ignore other players they had a bad one game experience with.

If town was made up of robots instead of human beings, sure.

Someone who will exclude others due to one bad game is going to do so whether they're green or red.

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Also: sorry for the quickhammer, Townlooter. I forgive all the bad words you said when you read that and most of the bad things you thought.

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so i cant just say fwensid is scum since omgus . but other wise i wouldn't be here so i think he is expreee to lynch me . why scummy gibberish fwesnid?

I find the most annoying or stupid person in the game is always on my side, so I'll assume you're townie.

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superbowl9 (5): stan1ey, 72offsuit, Marshmallow, Town looter, Fwesnid

One of these is not like the other. Town Looter, what are you doing on this wagon? Don't tell me it's because stanley, 72, or Mashmellow offered compelling arguments.

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Hey sunflower gal, you enjoying this game?

Yes!

I thought it would be more hectic but I find the pace is fine for me. It's nice to pop in and see actual conversation. A bunch of my reads were townie at first, which isn't as fun. But my scum senses are starting to tingle.

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Is he annoying or stupid or both?

A touch annoying.

UNVOTE:

[SJReaver]

Okay done being a dick sorry

Reaver your avatar is very calming

That's why I picked it. Also, why I post random gifs.

The wagon against you is bad but it's in the lead. Why do you think that is?

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What’s wrong with the super wagon, SJ? I think the wagon composition is townish. Do you think Super Bowl is towny?

I do. And I think he's a solid townie as well. Not super but middle of the road when it comes to pushing the game. Which means I don't like that people are trying to eliminate him over weaker players.

What I'm asking myself is 'did scum start this wagon, or did scum see it rolling and hop on?'

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Oh, it's Hiraki. Time to lock up the husbands and sons.

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Husbands and sons?

It's a saying.

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Useless but also town.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but you could be nice about it.

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I think the phrase is "lock up your daughters"

This does not spark joy.

Could I interest you in glitch

I want to hear Town Looter's reasoning first.

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VOTE: 72ofsuit

72, is Looter your scum buddy? I was town reading him earlier and I'd like your insight.

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Thank you, Looter. I'll re-read MM's argument and see if it's better than I remember.

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so i cant just say fwensid is scum since omgus . but other wise i wouldn't be here so i think he is expreee to lynch me . why scummy gibberish fwesnid?

I find the most annoying or stupid person in the game is always on my side, so I'll assume you're townie.

You've been absent, I hope it's not because you have rolled scum and don't know what to post?

Why are you scum reading me?

I'm not.

Or, I wasn't until you quoted a random post, missed the part where I told the person I was voting for that I'd town read you, and decided I scum reading you. That does strike me as overly defensive.

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Please don't defend people you know because you know them.

He wasn't defending JV. He was saying he didn't like your take on matters.

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I read through the MM case against superbowl and it's worse than I thought.

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Someone was supposed to ask 'but Reaver, why did you vote for 72?'

Thank you for asking, I shall tell you!

From my perspective, they had a single disagreement with superbowl over something NAI, voted them, and then picked up on things superbowl said afterwards to paint them as suspicious. This looks a lot like someone slipping onto a wagon after an actual townie and trying to blend in.

Do you have anything else on Bell besides that he's lamisting? Convince me i'm wrong

This comes from scum more often than it comes from town.
If anyone wants to wagon superbowl, I'm on it.

Meh, if you want something done well, do it yourself.

UNVOTE: Bell
VOTE: Superbowl

^ said this after Stanley already voted for superbowl. In a later post added 'beat me to the punch' as though he didn't see the vote.

I don't see scum in this top 5/6 teir of the activity list btw
Risk/reward of being that active this early in the game is not very favorable

There are 5 scum. You seriously think all 5 are going to be low/medium posters and just allow town to form a town-block. Yeah nah

Yes that's what I said. You think there's a town block in the top 5 LMAO??? We've been at each other's throats

There's no way someone with a town mindest would misinterpret what I meant.
Let me break it down.

1. You say "I don't see scum in this top 5/6 teir of the activity list btw"
2. I disagree. I say it's highly unlikely that all the top volume posters are town, on the premise alone that scum would not allow town to dictate the game's trajectory by mostly just lurking. If there are active town posters, scum will usually interject and derail unless there is TvT aggro.
3. You say "You think there's a town block in the top 5 LMAO?"
4. That is clearly not what I said.

More votes on superbowl required

Choo Choo Choo!

"There is no way someone with a town mindset..." gives me pings. One of the things I learned in my first game was that townies have vastly different mindsets and ways of looking at things. I've read through 72's previous games and he's typically the person with the unusual mindset.

While I'm at it, I think it's clear what superbowl meant. Superbowl sees the most active posters as 'at each others throats.' As he assumes they're townie, the idea that they'd form a town block and need to be derailed strikes him as funny.

Could he have worded that better? Yes. But it's not hard to suss out his meaning with a second of reflection. This suggests 72 either had already decided to find superbowl's post 'scummy' or that he's too cognitively occupied to parse the comment. I consider this a possible scum trait--as a townie, we try to get into the heads of others. Scum already know who is townie and who is a baddie, so they're attempting to fake it.

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Well, try again.

I don't (feel well about JV's alignment) but I definitely do not (fell well about Bell's alignment)

Happy?

Bell is my strongest town read right now. In our previous game we were masons together and he acted just like this.

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Very short posts, comes off as pretty confident/arrogant, and makes little snipes at people. He'll be a bit more talkative and open after D1 and D2.

If it makes you feel better, it's possible he doesn't think you're mafia but is simply seeing how you or others respond to his vote.

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Very short posts, comes off as pretty confident/arrogant, and makes little snipes at people. He'll be a bit more talkative and open after D1 and D2.

If it makes you feel better, it's possible he doesn't think you're mafia but is simply seeing how you or others respond to his vote.

Who is that about?

Bell. I was responding to Virgo's question.

I did read your post and mulled over it. I'm leaning more townie on Stanley and will likely hop on the Glitch wagon before it leaves the station.

I find the most annoying or stupid person in the game is always on my side, so I'll assume you're townie.

The word dowel was used in Middle English; it appears in Wycliffe's Bible translation (circa 1382-1395) in a list of the parts of a wheel: "...and the spokis, and dowlis of tho wheelis..." Cognates with other Germanic languages suggest that the word is much older (deuvel in Dutch, Dübel in German).

Wooden dowels have been used in manufacturing and woodworking for many centuries. One of the earliest documented uses of wooden dowels was in Japanese shrines in AD 690, which were constructed using only wood, wooden dowels and pegs, and interlocking joints. Around AD 1000, Leif Erikson sailed across the North Atlantic in a ship that was largely constructed of overlapping planks held together by wooden dowels and iron nails. The wooden dowels did not rust and thus were more reliable than iron for long expeditions.

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I keep on reading this post. I hope there's no code or anything in it because if there is, I don't get it.

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Found it. Ten out of ten breadcrumbing.

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Cat wants me to vote for Glitch
My vote is busy right now.
Once I finish with the superbowl wagon, I'll consider Glitch.

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That would be too subtle for me. The between my scum reading a person and calling for their beheading tends to be paper thin.

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Not sure why he'd claim at L-3.

This is not a fair question.

What would be a fair question then?

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Everyone just ignores my post on scum!72. Feels bad.

I thought that it was over.....
I thought you'd understand.....

That Superbowl;s wagon.....
Is the one to get on, band.....

Mafia is red,
Townies are blue,
This is a bad wagon,
I'm voting for you.

VOTE: 72offsuit

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It was at nine with siteflake, which makes it L-2.
Then Lapsa declared intent
Then you removed your vote, so it's back to eight/L-3

And yes, it was strange.

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Norway has to know that.

Also, I'm not fond of suddenly jumping off a wagon you've pushed when it's close to elimination. Seems like trying to avoid being in the vote count for it.

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Who would you expect to quick~hammer?? I am already on the wagon. FL & N_M are not in the game. Who -from this players list- has the balls (or is enough of a troll) to quickhammer and hope to get away with it?

Yes... no one would do that.

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Honestly, my impulse control isn't too good today. I'm going to vote now so I don't give into temptation.

VOTE: glitch

That's L-1.

See, I am not quickhammering today. I am good.

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I don't think of myself as a troll. I just enjoy eliminating people and don't have a ton of patience.

One of the reasons I was excited to leave newbies for normals is that I wanted vigilante. All the scum-hunting and no bothering with convincing others you're right. It's the perfect role!

Actually, maybe SK is better. That way if you get a townie, you don't have to feel bad.

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kinda think SJR might be scum.

If you didn't know, grilled and buttered sunflower can be eaten whole. It's like corn on the cob.

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????

I tend to be all over the place and my reads aren't that good, so I'm used to people suspecting me.

I think you're a townie though, so it's okay. My radiant townie aura always wins out.

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I hate wagon-jumpers.

It would be one thing if Glitch posted, you considered his words, and decided that he shouldn't be eliminated. Instead he hit L-1 and rather than having to defend or claim, all he needs to do is not post and people will wander off.

And are any of you pushing wagons? Trying to move the game forward?

I hope this doesn't become a habit.

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Nero, Bell, superbowl, Almost 50, Cat Scratch <- I won't vote for these people

NoPowerOverMe, Glitch, Titus, Virgo, Town Looter, Norway, Feweid, Hikari, Siteflake <- Eh

72offsuit, Stanley, ralph, Pete, Lapida, Marshmellow <- I'd be happy to get rid of any of these

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I guess Glitch is flaking. So we can sit around and wait for their replacement, but we won't end up eliminating them.

Or we could eliminate them while they're gone. Save Manatee some time.

Or we could continue chatting until we have less than 12 hours on the clock and then run grab the first person offered up, because we don't want a no-elim.

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Huh, Why A50 in your town pile Reaver?

Hi glitch.

I like him and I think he's useful so I want to keep him for a bit.

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Y'all need me to stay alive until like Day 4. Please don't make me hard claim.

If you have a PR that isn't good until day 4, wouldn't you sit back and not draw attention to yourself? If you were right about Nero being scum, getting in his face like that could get you NK'd.

I need to process this a bit. Not sure I believe you.

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Nero do you agree that Glitch should claim their full role?

yeah prob

Wait, wait...

Would a specific claim actually change your mind here? If you think he's lying now, I don't know that a claim would make you believe him.

Here's the thing:
1. Glitch is scum. He makes a claim. Will another PR feel the need to cross claim?
2. Glitch is PR. He makes a claim. If we don't believe him, he dies today. If we do believe him, he dies tonight.

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UNVOTE:
Was never really down to elim glitch to begin with

Can we move on at least for today? We will know sooner or later what’s up. And while we’re at it can we decide who we’re wagoning next sometime soon

I am down with this. Moving on for one day might be a good idea.

Yeah VOTE: fwesnid

Can I interest you in a 72?

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I town read nero because he comes off as active, engaged, serious about scum hunting, questioning and commenting on anything he finds unusual, and pushing the game forward.

He's legit the only person to comment on my vanity wagons when it feels like the majority of people just skip over my posts.

Either:
1. He's townie, or
2. He's scum who is far beyond my ability to read.

Until I see a solid argument that he's the second or he does something I find particularly scummy, I'll sort him as the first

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Do you at least SLIGHTLY agree with ANY of my points against Superbowl?

I did notice parts of your 'case' against superbowl was a rewording of what I said about you.

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72 off suit is the only person left on the superbowl wagon. Let it go, dude! If you're town, put your vote somewhere useful.
Nero Cain is the only person left on the stanley wagon. Let is go, dude! If you're town, put your vote somewhere useful.

Hikari - You were so much cooler in the last game I saw you in.
ralph - Oh, you town read me now? Stand up guy, that ralph. 10 out of 10 player.

VOTE: Fwesnid

This is some low hanging fruit.

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I'll save you some reading, he's wrong and town and glitch counter tunnelled and is also town

Why should I believe Glitch is town?

You shouldn't.

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Also, when are you going to do that vote count analysis?

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@SJR: Why haven't you unvoted Glitch by this point? (considering your post earlier on the same page)

I have?

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Not by the point that VC was posted, I mean

I hadn't decided where to move my vote.

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Alt hunting is scummy.

Why is that?

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I hope people meta me one day so I don’t have to say this more. I’m not an alt.

It's okay. I believe you. You'll always be just Bell in my heart.

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Woo hoo!

VOTE: 72ofsuit

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Siteflake, what do you think of 72?

If you're voting Fewind just to push a wagon, can I interest you in this lovely one here?

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Did someone say something?

Yeah, I asked you why alt-hunting is scummy.

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Because it's busywork. Making it visible to the thread that you're attempting to do something useful, when you're really not.

Makes sense.

Trying to look useful is scummy, which is why I avoid it when at all possible.

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@Norway:
Well, I hope Almost50 is townie. I like his post analysis in another game and had hoped to skate by plagiarizing his reads.

@Siteflake:
Both the slots are half-dead but 72 is half-dead *and* half-idiot. Also, he has seven people on his scum list and didn't realize he put someone at L-1.

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Did you just admit to just voting LHF for no reason?
UNVOTE: Fwesnid

No.

What's with the two blind votes in a row dude

What is a blind vote in your opinion?

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What I've learned about Virgo today:
He likes calling things he mildly disagrees with 'disgusting.'
He knows how to turn a paragraph worth of content into a page worth of posts.

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Yes, sunflowers produce much shade.

You're the first person I've met who considers blind votes and sheeping the same thing.

If you want to know why I've voted for someone, why not ask me or read my iso?

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But our scintillating conversation...

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Looter, I see your vote is on Fwesnid right now.

Do you scum read them?

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So vote Fwesnid if you think he's scum.

I never said I thought him to be scum. He's certainly not doing anything towny though, so I'm considering doing it. Still dislike how you're making normal things look scummy or wrong (I said I liked the idea of an infolynch on him, and you just go "vote him if you think he's scum").

VOTE: Glitch
Nero is not happening today. Who else do you want to lynch?

72offstuit

You know, the low activity poster who is actually scummy as opposed to just convenient.

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The thing i don’t get is, if we all think his claim was fake...

And if anyone thinks it’s scummy to react to how wtf his claim truly is, then git gud ya freaking plebs.

We don't all think that his claim is fake.

There are twenty-five people in this thread and several different opinions floating around. You seem to both be able to understand that (the people voting you need to 'get gud') and unable to do so 'we all think...'

The majority of people, in fact, do not think that, which is why they have shifted their vote from Nero and Norway's wagon of choice.

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Btw kinda irrelevant but last day or 2 my read on superbowl has done an 180 from scum to hard towny

Yeah, I'm fond of him myself.

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lets just throw in ralp for shits and giggles

That's just cruel. Let's leave him alone for today.

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Glich,

I'd be interested in hearing your reads of people who are *not* Norway or Nero.

I find Bell and superbowl are my biggest town reads. Who are your town reads?

Who are you still trying to get a read on? I'm still trying to sort Town Looter and Marshmellow.

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norwee clearly flips town here but he's being wrong about what the correct attitude to take here is

I liked your write-up on Cat Scratch Fever, even though I didn't see their actions as alignment indicative. There are too many people floating through the early part of the game for all of them to be mafia. CSF read as someone increasingly disinterested in the game. It's bad play but still townie.

Do you have any other strong scum reads right now?

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I don't think JV is reading for content.

You're another slot I haven't got a read on.

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Anyone here that can tell give me the gist of what happened so far?

Add a heavy sprinkling of overreactions and abuse of the terms 'misrep' and 'scummy.'

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Alright I think I’m going to give this game a read

People are currently voting for you, so you know.

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You can't expect everyone out of 21 players to log on every day. If you're not joining a top wagon you're being anti-town

There are ten people not on the top wagon. Half the town is anti-town. That explains much about this gamestate.

I'm null on Glitch and Norway. They both have scummy moment but could both easily be town acting stupid. I have totally death tunneled posters (and most time they're fellow townies).

Glitch already claimed so VOTE: NorwayEE

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If Stan1ey is scum with A50 i don't think Glitch would be mafia, that seems too blatant of a wagon. I'm also considering that Glitch was sick these latest days, that explains his relative inactivity since the claim.
Anyway since a wagon on the claimed PR is clearly not gaining support i'll do the next best choice from my wagon here.
VOTE: Almost50

You are literally voting someone because they are on your wagon.

Yes, this will convince others that you are not mafia.

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Im no, that’s just an bonus. I scumread A50 for other reasons, i thought you were paying attention to the game?

Almost 50 came in and immediately scumread you. In one game, you replaced in as scum and immediately scumread someone.

Also, Almost 50 is tunneling you and not contributing to the gamestate.

Did I get that right?

The issue is that other players have come in and immediately scumread people. But it wasn't you they read, so you didn't call them scum. You, Glitch, Nero, and Stanley most certainly have been tunneling one another.

If I add Almost50 to this group, have I named all the mafia?

Because that would be awesome. I've never solved the game on day 1 before.

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The thing that annoys me is that I don't want you eliminated.

I like you and think you're a good player. A better player than I am. I suspect that you're town but I go back and forth on it. In the end, you'll probably be more useful to town than I am.

Which kind of pisses me off.

If you, Nero, and superbowl worked together, I think we'd get a town win. I'm tossing Bell in there as well, now that I think about it, because he has good instincts. I'm waiting for Almost 50, Titus, and Haikari to impress me. I think they have it in them and am willing to wait until D2.

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VOTE: lapsa laps gone i was probably rite on him

I've decided that ralph is a super genius who simply wants to take a back seat and not make me feel insecure next to his towering intellect.

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Great, he already switched his vote after you spoke with him. Now I look like a douche.

Thank you, Norway. VOTE: Fewind

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@Nero, Cat-lady replacement, Ralph: Would you mind switching to a Fwesnid vote for second?

@Nero, I think you said I was scummy a while back. Did you want to expand on that?

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Thank you, Pete.

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Yes, he claimed.



I am angry at our PRs right now. Is this a justified emotion? Has town fucked up and for some reason, we're like heat-seeking missiles for our PR?

(And yes, I do believe the claims. Fewinds more than Glitches)

VOTE: 72offsuit

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It occurs to me I really should have done this reread earlier.
I don't think I'll be able to read the whole thing and participate at the end of deadline at the same time.

Do you want to switch your vote?

You'll have two rl days to reread once the day ends. I expect you'll live through the night if Fwe's claim is valid.

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Nah, don't blame them, it's pretty much our fault for not being able to distinguish the difference or how we decided to approach Fwesnid. If we slow rolled it we might have had a better chance of jumping off and staying off by giving him more time to show he was town.

IDK, when I was mason with you, I managed not to get miselimed or forced to claim. Even though people agreed I was scummy or null, and I quickhammered Looter.

I just don't feel it's that difficult to survive D1.

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Gunsmith is the one that checks for guns.

Oh... handing out guns would be cooler.

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it's your sunny disposition. It's like a serial killer that's extremely nice and polite during the day and then goes home to chop up last nights kill. I did talk about you earlier, I know you read it b/c you mentioned me calling you out on vanity voting. Your "LEAVE RALPH ALONE!" post triggered me and you're "I'm voting LHF" was ??? b/c Low Hanging Fruit primarily refers to voting someone easy and

sorta

has the implication that they are town. I kinda feel bad that you are hard town reading me and I'm more suspicious of you.

Yeah, I can see that. I read your wagon post and a list where you had me as scum, but you didn't do into much details.

fweird was low-hanging fruit. Lapsa and Ralph are as well. If he had claimed VT, no one would care. You yourself just said that you're voting 72 despite not thinking he's scum.

I could have made up something about how I scum-read fwsined, but why? Might as well naked vote at that point. That way I'm not wasting anyone's time.

Thanks for the answer. Have a puppy.

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i hate asking questions when catching up on the first 10 pages but this actually bothers me
why did you ask the thread instead of the mod?

It never occurred to me to ask the mod. Even if it had, I wouldn't have. The mod is during work; people in the thread are playing a game. Of the two, I'd rather bother the second group.

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Bell, do you think Lapsa is more scummy than 72?

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If he gets to L-1, won't we have to wait for his replacement to claim? Because there's also one other group of people who know more about the set-up than VTs.

VOTE: Lapsa

Promise me you'll take a second look at 72 tomorrow if this goes through.

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Promise, But I already iso'd all his posts.

And decided we should eliminate him D2?

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i'll follow bell

VOTE: Lapsa

This is a good idea if you enjoy winning.

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Lapsa (4) ralph217, Nero Cain, Bell, Pickaxe Pete, SJReav

This is 5 people, not four.

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This is a good idea if you enjoy winning.

inb4 he flips town.

NO PRESSURE.

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Nero could have handled that better, but I'd rather not have someone in the game who tells other people they're playing like dogshit.

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[quote="In post 1802
Fwendis could be a little more useful if he told his target beforehand and the target said if he is one of these mentioned roles.[/quote]

What a wonderful idea. I am sure mafia would gain nothing from this information.

Wait no, that's an awful idea. Why would you even suggest it?

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I don't like the people on the Lapsa wagon either, only good vote there would be Nero and Bell maybe

...you're on the Lapsa wagon. 1812

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I, being a perfect townie, have never had a few drinks and then forgotten who I'd voted for. No, not I.

Just like I've never responded to the wrong quote, posted to the wrong thread, or voted for the wrong person.

But if there were another SJReaver who sometimes did that, they would still find you shading the wagon you're on funny.

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VOTE: almost50

CHOO CHOO CHOO

This dude needs to be eliminated like yesterday.

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I want YOU!

To join the wagon on Almost50.

My scumdar is blaring.

Norway is working damn hard to move the wagon from either Lapsa or 72.

And why is Almost 50 on the chopping block? Because he scumread Norway.

VOTE: Norway

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Stop F'ing around and vote Norwee already. Unless you're his scum buddy (which would become pretty obvious if either of you flips at any point).

I will never stop f'ing around.

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Dude you can have delusions about my supposed worry about PR's as much as you want, it won't come true.

THANK YOU.

This response

confirms

Norwee

knows

I am TOWN. Otherwise, I wouldn't be "delusional". I would be "faking".

No, it doesn't. Even as a 'scum syntax' argument, this is weak.

I know you're smarter than this so I'm wondering what the deal is.

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A50/Norway is the new Cain/Glitch

And i lied about not posting

You're not allowed to leave us in our time of need.

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I have no idea why people keep assuming there are vigilantes in this set-up.

((No, don't explain it to me. I assume I missed something obvious. If you want to tell me after the game ends or in dead chat, I'd be grateful))

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I want YOU!
To join the wagon on Almost50.

My scumdar is blaring.

Norway is working damn hard to move the wagon from either Lapsa or 72.

(...)

Isn't it making Lapsa/ 72 more likely scum than Norway?

I struggle to see any value in those slots. I have to ask myself if town!Norway would. Lapsa's iso is a barren field and 72 a dungheap.

I don't know! Maybe?

This is so stupid. I was looking forward to reading Almost50's takes. I thought I finally got a strong townlean from Norway and then he pulls this. And Bell is flaking now. How the hell do you go from "I am sure this is scum and take responsibility if he flips green" to "Oh, I misunderstood a joke. Gonna unvote now" in under 12 hours?

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Why are you so upset. If those crappy slots are not scum they'll be PoE'd by the time of maximum 2 days. I wanna lynch informative and wolfy slots. I literally don't care about voting flipbaity slots at this point and you shouldn't either.

Every time I feel good about a wagon, it falls apart. Every time I feel good about a townie, they do something scummy.

Also, Bell is 100% of the reason I won my last game. It came down to me and two other players, and I had convinced myself that the townie was scum while the one Bell scumread wasn't. If I hadn't decided to ignore my gut and go with Bell's reasons, we'd have lost.

Before that, I voted correctly because I ignored my scumreads and when with T-bone's. Before that, I ignored my scumreads and went with clidd's.

All these reasons I give for scum or town reading people? It's mostly bullshit. I just have feelings and try to make it look like I have a good case. So when Bell suddenly switches his read (this is the first time I've seen him 180 like that) or I town read you and you do something that feels really scummy, I get upset. And yes, I know it's stupid and I need to get gud. You don't need to tell me that.

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@SJReaver
Is there any reason you're unwilling to move to A50 other than that you hate the 72/Lapsa slots?

I'm worried he's a PR and we're going to force him to claim. He keeps on hinting at it, and he seems really sure. I voted for Glitch and Fwes and both of those turned out poorly. I don't want to make the same mistake.

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Almost50 sounds confident. I can hear all the townie arrogance in his post. I don't think scum would be this bold. Picking a fight with Norway is sure to lead to pages of attention. Scum are cowardly, they like to hide. If they're active, they'll be like superbowl--inoffensive and trying to get everyone to work together.

I feel like Almost50 is ropebait here.

Without the fake claims provided by the mod (who confirmed he did not provide any)
The only thing the scum team have to go on is whatever their roles are.

What does this have to do with anything?

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I can hear all the townie arrogance in his post.

Scum can be arrogant too.
Why is it town indicative from him?

And you're voting me so by definition, you do believe scum can be arrogant because i've been quite bold this game. So i don't see why that should absolve A50 but not me.

This is the elimination pool I posted: 72offsuit, Stanley, ralph, Pete, Lapida, Marshmellow

If I had a strong scum lean on you, your name would be on it. I'm trying to pick between two wagons that I'm not fond of because the ones I do like keep on breaking down.

And yes, scum can be arrogant too.

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Almost50,

Given you're the one being wagoned, maybe you should give us some simple reads. Preferably skipping Norway's slot entirely.

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No one.

Almost 50, you've said you want to up your game here, but if you're town, how does dying on D1 help us win? And saying you're going to vote for yourself is pretty anti-town if you're green. Since when does 'play to win' mean tunneling on one poster, parking your vote on D1, and being eliminated without giving us even a basic read list?

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This Almost 50 wagon makes me sick to my stomach and the Norway one isn't much better. It's D1 in a large game, and instead of getting rid of obviously scummy players or posters who add nothing to the game, we're going after a bunch of PR.

Unvote, Vote: NPOM

Nope, I'm back to sticking to my guns. Apologies for the lapse in judgment.

The last I checked, the only case you've made was against CSF. Why is No Power your preferred elimination now?

UNVOTE:

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Hey look, my favorite wagon is gaining steam again. I wonder if anything comes of it.

VOTE: 72offsuit

I’ve never been more town in my life and people still find excuses to scumread me, it’s amazing.

How are you more town in this game than previous ones?

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Find me a scumgame where i’m this engaged and active.
You can’t, i left my scumrange a long time ago.

That wasn't the question. You said you're more town than you've ever been before. How are you being more towny than previously?

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It was just a figure of speech. Don’t be so overly picky.

It was just a question. Don't be so overly defensive.

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It was just a figure of speech. Don’t be so overly picky.

It was just a question. Don't be so overly defensive.

Ok i’ll just not respond to you then.

I'm going to guess this is another "figure of speech" as your ability to not respond to others is microscopic.

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More or less, yes! I just don't see the scum intent behind the case against you. Scum!A50, given his level of experience, can't seriously believe that he will convince town to mislynch town!Norwee by saying what he said; therefore, it has to come from a town mindset.

This is a viewpoint I can appreciate. The few times I've read posts that seemed like schizoid paranoia, the posters were townies.

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Why are you asking Norway's permission?

There's a wagon on A50. If you think he's townie and can explain his action, do so.

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Hmmm