Mini 1891: Fat Boy Mafia [Over]

[Nosferatu]

Just got home from an eight fucking hour track meet
VOTE: alz

[Nosferatu]

vote: Alz

For not knowing fat bastards use Diet Coke to pretend they're dieting.

Bad rvs is bad. You are added to the hitlist and you should feel bad

tfw unprovable randomness can be bad

vote: Alz

For not knowing fat bastards use Diet Coke to pretend they're dieting.

The cool kids use Coke Zero now cause Diet Coke is gross.

Personally I'm addicted to diet Mountain Dew.

coke zero and diet coke are literally the same shit with a different label colour
I refuse to acknowledge that last statement.

Oh noez.

This is also a scum post.
A townie would never add that period at the end if they were legitimately serious

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Fire are you scum

Probably

no period??? VOTE: fire

But isn't Whemestar in the scum spot?

maybe if we were playing mafia in 1999

We aren't?

unvote
vote: nosferatu

grey wagon is boring as fuck

!!

i don't know "pieg" but i know a "pieguyn"

I thought of that but why would you make an alt if it's so obvious?

Unless the alt itself is a wifom play...

mastin, mastina, mastin2?

[Nosferatu]

coke zero and diet coke are literally the same shit with a different label colour

Yet they taste differently

oh yeah, I bet you can really taste the difference between citric acid and sodium citrate. Get placebo'd m8.

[Nosferatu]

which reminds me

@nexus

, you missed my vote in the VC (assuming there's no shenanigans).

Desperado remains an excellent vote.

pieg is town. Persivul is town. Wheme looks somewhat town, but not as town as I thought he likely would if he was town so we'll see. massive is likely town. Fire's decently likely town, his early tone felt off but i like his reads.

these kind of posts never bode well imo

[Nosferatu]

which reminds me

@nexus

, you missed my vote in the VC (assuming there's no shenanigans).

Desperado remains an excellent vote.

pieg is town. Persivul is town. Wheme looks somewhat town, but not as town as I thought he likely would if he was town so we'll see. massive is likely town. Fire's decently likely town, his early tone felt off but i like his reads.

these kind of posts never bode well imo

yeah, it sucks, having to carry yet another game as town

thanks, I feel like I'm never heard with my struggles

[Nosferatu]

i think you're a townie quavering against the sr in your gut

Why is implosion town?

tone doesn't suck and i like his reads

you like them because his read of you is actually the most bullshit I've ever read in a sentence

[Nosferatu]

Grey
Pine
Implosion

Nosferatu
Fire
Prana
Persivul
TwoFace
Wheme

---------<--- line of lynchability

Desperado
Alz


VOTE: desperado

come on guys, most of the people on this list hadn't even posted yet, you cannot turn around and interpret this as a legit readlist

[Nosferatu]

the fact that pieg is perpetuating a read implosion has of him that he obviously knows is faulty is awful
VOTE: pieg

[Nosferatu]

I was already there and no one seemed to care. Maybe you'll be heard.

What do you think of Pine talking in memes?

It's dumb and hopefully he'll stop. I don't see scum motivation. I seem to remember Pine playing along with the "moist" shenanigans that happened in our last game together so I'm pretty sure he just likes to fuck around in the early game. Probably just NAI.

[Nosferatu]

I was already there and no one seemed to care. Maybe you'll be heard.

What do you think of Pine talking in memes?

It's dumb and hopefully he'll stop. I don't see scum motivation. I seem to remember

Pine playing along with the "moist" shenanigans that happened in our last game together so I'm pretty sure he just likes to fuck around in the early game

. Probably just NAI.

nix that last bit. Still probably just NAI.

[Nosferatu]

how about pieg willfully letting implosion have a read that he knows is faulty in reasoning?

pedit: then why are some people who haven't posted in the readlist while some people aren't? Desperado frequently uses that readlist. If you can't see that as RVS idk what to tell you. HE EVEN JOKES ABOUT IT IN HIS NEXT POST.

[Nosferatu]

@Nos, what's your read of me right now?

You seem to be tryin real hard to reinforce this read on pieg so idk. I'd probably put you two as the same alignment in the sense that I'd go for a lynch on you if pieg fipped scum, but probably not if he flipped town. Why do you ask?

[Nosferatu]

aaah. okay.

Well. it doesn't really matter. it's mostly irrelevant to my reads.

Persivul brings up a rather good point.

Unvote

VOTE: Pine

pine wagon is shit; zero motivation either alignment for him to do what he's doing.

[Nosferatu]

the fact that pieg is perpetuating a read implosion has of him that he obviously knows is faulty is awful
VOTE: pieg

let's not pretend this isn't omgus

how about pieg willfully letting implosion have a read that he knows is faulty in reasoning?

pedit: then why are some people who haven't posted in the readlist while some people aren't? Desperado frequently uses that readlist. If you can't see that as RVS idk what to tell you. HE EVEN JOKES ABOUT IT IN HIS NEXT POST.

i = they. also bruh you're trying too hard. imp's reasoning was a-okay, readlist was sirius i get early reads and fly with 'em and joke about it all the while that's how i do

that is bullshit and we both know it

[Nosferatu]

we do? you are grasping at straws now, scummymcscummer

VOTE: nos

what are you doing

[Nosferatu]

pine wagon is shit; zero motivation either alignment for him to do what he's doing.

What makes you think Scum wouldn't fake a post restriction to deter interactions and attempts to sort?

Because if he keeps doing it, we're obviously gonna just end up policy lynching?

@implosion: I was avoiding putting the blame on you because I didn't want to be upfront and call you a fucking dumbass. You're trying so hard to believe in something that is obviously fake as shit. He copied desp's read format to vote him, included many people who weren't present in the list, and included them indiscriminately. Copy this down in your notes, do whatever you have to do to consult this later: This right here is why I think it was RVS.
The thing that you don't seem to get, is that this isn't about you. I'm not avoiding rhetoric towards you because I want to have good standing with you; I don't give a shit about you. It's how

pieg

responded to a read you had of him. You aren't included in the rhetoric because there's nothing to say about you.

This wagon is pointless: obviously, no one gives a shit about it and I can recognise when I'm fighting a one-man battle. UNVOTE: pieg I'll read over grey later in the morning; probably won't be voting desp.

we do? you are grasping at straws now, scummymcscummer

VOTE: nos

what are you doing

that seems a rather aimless question. in the post you quoted, i am calling you scums and voting you because i want you to die more than i like the desp wagon. do you need help reading any other posts?

it was rhetorical.

>inb4 nos drops pieg wagon right as heat starts piling on

pedit: I don't think there's anything I need to respond to there.

[Nosferatu]

@implosion: I was avoiding putting the blame on you because I didn't want to be upfront and call you a fucking dumbass. You're trying so hard to believe in something that is obviously fake as shit. He copied desp's read format to vote him, included many people who weren't present in the list, and included them indiscriminately. Copy this down in your notes, do whatever you have to do to consult this later: This right here is why I think it was RVS.

horsepucky, the fact that i used desp's readslist as a joke has no bearing whatsoever about the fact that the reads were real. i voted him because his tone was wut and there were already 2 votes on him so it was fast-track wagon to getting out of RVS. your shit is fake you're pushing bad pills you're fucking dead as today's lynch buh-bye scum signed sealed and delivered.

You should really make some sort of tutorial for talking out of your ass I'm really finding difficulty with it.

[Nosferatu]

You should really make some sort of tutorial for talking out of your ass I'm really finding difficulty with it.

do you have a habit of talking yourself in mafia or just when you're scum?

I want you to try your best to fix that sentence to make any sense whatsoever

Get to lylo with FB and try to sort him based on 500 posts of fluff, then see how much you like him.

If you haven't sorted him by then he's probably scum lol

Actually:
VOTE: Persivul

Two questions, 1) What happened that made you flip your read and 2) why pers > me when you called me "likely scum" vs him "could be scum"

[Nosferatu]

You should really make some sort of tutorial for talking out of your ass I'm really finding difficulty with it.

do you have a habit of talking yourself in mafia or just when you're scum?

I want you to try your best to fix that sentence to make any sense whatsoever

sry i forgot you don't know how to read posts v well. your iso = talking out of ur ass

these exchanges are unproductive and just inflate the game post count, so unless you've got something to say, just stop.

VOTE: Massive my vote goes here

that's pretty poor

He has 3 posts, I won't count the first one, and they all suck. I'll keep my vote on him until he posts stuff I like

whats wrong with them

sheeperino: VOTE: persivul

[Nosferatu]

these exchanges are unproductive and just inflate the game post count, so unless you've got something to say, just stop.

i like how you spew a bunch of bullshit about my and implosion's slots and then repeatedly pretend like nothing happened hoping that i'll just lose interest and go away

I'm not, I'm just telling you to ask me something instead of just throwing shit. It obviously hasn't worked for either of us.

[Nosferatu]

Votecount 1.6:

pieg (2)

- massive, Alz

Persivul (2)

- Firebringer, Nosferatu

Desperado (2)

- Pine, implosion

implosion (2)

- Desperado, -Grey-

Pine (1)

- Persivul

PranaDevil (1)

- PranaDevil

Nosferatu (1)

- pieg

-Grey- (1)

- TwoFace

massive (1)

- Whemestar

Not voting (0)

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more of a melting pot than the austro-hungarian empire

lets just say we need a travel ban

[Nosferatu]

kind of funny to me

Speaking of funny...there's a word for people who are easy to lynch: scummy. You're criticizing me for pushing players who appear scummy.

You're voting me. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not a hypocrite, so you apparently think that I don't really appear scummy, i.e. you don't have a solid basis for your push. NTTAWWT at this stage of the game, but it's pretty funny.

1. no, that's really not what people who are easy to lynch are called.
2. the fuck does NTTAWWT mean

[Nosferatu]

UNVOTE:
Pers isn't that scummy. Just wrong.

speaking of which,

@pieg: one question for you, how exactly did you come up with the order for the players who hadn't spoken yet in your read list? I'd be willing to change my read based on your answer.

[Nosferatu]

UNVOTE:
Pers isn't that scummy. Just wrong.

speaking of which,

@pieg: one question for you, how exactly did you come up with the order for the players who hadn't spoken yet in your read list? I'd be willing to change my read based on your answer.

Oh I love appeasing scums! I read activity overview and randomly entered them. How in the world could you consider changing a read based on that?

VOTE: nos

yeah, figures. I was considering that you might've taken from the activity overview which would invalidate my case. Which you just did. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Nosferatu]

334
Pine wagon is bad-mainly because however we look at it, we're gonna be policy lynching him 'cause we can't read him. I dunno if it's a mod given post restriction or pine's just doing it not to be read, but it's dumb to lynch him.

SO you think, implosion just has a mistaken town read of Pieg which pieg is trying perpetuate? What do you make of Pieg's second reads list-where even though he says implosion has been great so far, he has him much lower down.

Why do you consider desp towny?

See, this is what I find weird. Implosion's last post was kinda sounded genuine, explaining his motivations on pieg. But his previous ones supporting pieg, pieg's reinforcing of that idea and his reads list where implosion is lower down all give off bad vibes to me. I'm really confused especially after implosion's last post.

Yeah, that was pretty much the idea. I didn't think very much of his next read list, didn't see any interactive connections it had with implosion. I think imp's posts are all pretty genuine though. Feel free to push your bad vibez tho

[Nosferatu]

why doesn't grey have more votes on him?

this can be arranged
VOTE: grey

[Nosferatu]

also also

i really think wheme should die

unvote
vote: wheme

ytho

VOTE: 2F

Fite me.

but I'd rather he wasn't vanity voting.

Somehow missed this.

I'm not vanity voting. Why do you think I am.

Because you're voting away from wagons and doing absolutely zero to push anyone else towards Grey?

On top of the fact I have zero interest in actively fighting a wagon on me, even.

[Nosferatu]

UNVOTE: grey
Both of you are just throwing a hissy fit; bashing meta while discussing meta with a sample size of 2. Waste of my time and both of yours.

[Nosferatu]

yeah, figures. I was considering that you might've taken from the activity overview which would invalidate my case. Which you just did. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

what was your case lol

how were you scumreading someone based on how they wrote their readslist

:/ The main point of my case was about how you had a bullshit readlist, implosion believed it, and you went with it, which would have been really scummy. But if you went by activity overview, its not exactly an RVS list.
Ergo I was wrong.

[Nosferatu]

@Fire: how do you feel about alisae's last few posts?

[Nosferatu]

@Fire: how do you feel about alisae's last few posts?

Are you not even going to say hi to me ;~;

hi to me ;~;

@Fire: how do you feel about alisae's last few posts?

neutral about him so far.

Well, no, if someone's being stubborn, pointing out to them that they're being stubborn usually does NOT work. Mafia or otherwise. How do you not know that?

I don't really know a good way to answer this.
Massive you scum? I feel like all the questions you asked on this page are manipulative.

this response pings me fsr

[Nosferatu]

@ nos and implosion: i'm voting wheme because he rolled scum and has no idea what to do

grey vs twoface was...odd. i don't agree that twoface looked town during it and he sure as hell didn't look town after ali replaced in

neither of them looked particularly town from that exchange. It was just meaningless bickering. Alisae is much more interesting than that shitstorm.

[Nosferatu]

@Pine: are there conditions for your post restriction to end?

[Nosferatu]

not like several people have voiced concerns over the replacement but aight you do you booboo

[Nosferatu]

yeah, figures. I was considering that you might've taken from the activity overview which would invalidate my case. Which you just did. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Out of everything, pieg looks better in this interaction and Nos looks weird. I would like to repeat the question he asked-how would you consider changing your read based on his answer? What's your read now based on it?
This is weird, a weird question at the beginning, seems like an attempt to try to lay the groundwork to easily change his reads and manner of interaction towards him, followed by a casual response to pieg's answer to that question.
Yep, he's invalidated your case on him which appeared to be strong till now, with just one answer about the order he wrote his readslist in. Makes everything look very weird in hindsight

Yeah, that was pretty much the idea. I didn't think very much of his next read list, didn't see any interactive connections it had with implosion. I think imp's posts are all pretty genuine though. Feel free to push your bad vibez tho

I dunno, it's what I have seen done by scum. They either support their teammates well but puts them somewhere in the middle of their town-reads
Implosion's posts do seem town. I initially thoght him to be scum partners with pieg but now not sure. Not sure about pieg as well due to my lack of following the game continuously but i'll see.

1. My read is now null on him. The reason I scum-read him is gone, which is why I unvoted. I already posted why I would change my read based on the answer.
2. If I didn't lay the groundwork and ask him the question for him to answer, I'd be sticking to a scum-read I know was possibly untrue. In other words I'd be perpetuating a false read. Kinda the thing I voted him for.
3. I've never observed that sort of thing, but interactions aren't my forte. Although while I'm on that note, I don't think you should be looking at the interactions of two people when you don't think either of them are scum. I've tried that before and it typically doesn't work.

[Nosferatu]

game is stagnating bc the leading wagon is on town and the competing wagon is on scum

VOTE: wheme

I can't see scum literally asking to be part of a townbloc :/

so have i tho

which game was that?

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: wheme

[Nosferatu]

game is stagnating bc the leading wagon is on town and the competing wagon is on scum

VOTE: wheme

I can't see scum literally asking to be part of a townbloc :/

so have i tho

which game was that?

Gj nos

I was wrong again.

[Nosferatu]

game is stagnating bc the leading wagon is on town and the competing wagon is on scum

VOTE: wheme

I can't see scum literally asking to be part of a townbloc :/

so have i tho

which game was that?

why can't you see scum asking to be part of a townbloc? is this in reference to you?

I want to form a town block.

Can I be in it pretty please

seems really awkward. But he did it lol

[Nosferatu]

1. My read is now null on him. The reason I scum-read him is gone, which is why I unvoted. I already posted why I would change my read based on the answer.
2. If I didn't lay the groundwork and ask him the question for him to answer, I'd be sticking to a scum-read I know was possibly untrue. In other words I'd be perpetuating a false read. Kinda the thing I voted him for.
3. I've never observed that sort of thing, but interactions aren't my forte. Although while I'm on that note, I don't think you should be looking at the interactions of two people when you don't think either of them are scum. I've tried that before and it typically doesn't work.

See the reason you gave before voting pieg at the beginning, is that his reads list was faulty and that mainly implosion had a TR of him which he kept perpetuating as seen in 263, 273. You kept focusing on him till 507 at which point you started backing down weirdly.

You then asked pieg what was the order he posted his reads list in saying that his answer would change your read. He said, he got it from activity overview, which was apparently enough for you? I don't understand how those two things correlate at all. This is very weird and completely vague reason to back off.

You asked him a vague question which imo has no bearing on perpetuating a false read. So according to this, you wanted him to give that answer which would prove he was not scum. All of this is weird.

I felt you were town at the beginning, a lot of your posts were similar to my thought process but this, it's scummy. It now feels like you were bussing him and then just slowly slid off

As for the last part, I've seen it happen a few times. I now don't think so strongly that implosion is scum, he seems more towny as posts go by. Pieg, yeah the scum reads reinforced by this and his prior posts on a read.

mb, I should've just assumed I was right and did absolutely nothing when I realized I could've been wrong. I should've followed through on a lynch that had a possibility of being town. That's honestly the stupidest thing I've heard this whole day. I started backing down because I doubted myself. I'm allowed to second-guess my reads, and if anything, it's what makes me town. It's called thinking clearly.

[Nosferatu]

I never said you shouldn't change your reads or second guess yourself or should've done nothing. That's what I said to implosion, that you could've realized it was a misunderstanding and clarified it.

What I said was that, what I found scummy is the way you did it. The vague reason and the 180 and the manner it was done was scummy

I just can't see how I could've transitioned better.

game is stagnating bc the leading wagon is on town and the competing wagon is on scum

VOTE: wheme

I can't see scum literally asking to be part of a townbloc :/

so have i tho

which game was that?

why can't you see scum asking to be part of a townbloc? is this in reference to you?

I want to form a town block.

Can I be in it pretty please

seems really awkward. But he did it lol

I'm an awkward guy

I see that

[Nosferatu]

I can't see scum literally asking to be part of a townbloc :/

With this kind of town block - just self proclaimed and by mutual agreement on D1 - why not?

usually when a townbloc is forming its like "yo, x, y, and z, we town now" and person a doesn't come in and just go "can i haz town plox"
usually doesn't explicitly ask for entry into the townbloc. Like idk might have been a joke, but either way just the idea of going "can I be conf town" just didn't make sense from a scum perspective. Just seemed awkward to me.

[Nosferatu]

Thought dark was gonna be an ez town read but that exchange was questionable. Although the Alz case has appealed to me as well. Will read over if I have Internet today, but otherwise, consider me on Alz.

[Nosferatu]

"no bueno senior" holy fuck my sides

[Nosferatu]

You guys think dark scum implicates massive scum? I really don't like how massive reacted to that self-vote.

[Nosferatu]

but you're wrong tho

[Nosferatu]

Kinda self-evident.

[Nosferatu]

1. you are highly prone to conf!bias
b. you aren't attuned to gamestates
5. you don't grok readily

I'm sorry but I just noticed, what the fuck is this list.
1, b, 5?
conf

!

bias?
groking something necessitates using feelings, and alisae seems to read with tone and feelings quite often.

JUST WHAT THE FUCK. And what's the point of pointing this out to her? Just for future reference?
Not AI just an annoying observation I needed to make.

No, it's not. Are you saying my request to replace out was directly related to Dark self-voting?

Well, let's see, is the word "replace out" featured in my post anywhere?
Why would I compare a self-vote 30 posts earlier that you already responded to with a no context replace out? The fuck?

[Nosferatu]

I'm so sorry I still hate that game

Dark, are you a new member or have you played before?

New mostly
sorry but I cba to go tryhard on this game, you can have a mislynch on me if you want but this slot has barely interacted with anyone so you won't gain anything from it

VOTE: Darklyn

CBA? GTFO

Why are you trying to sell me that you're not worthy of a lynch because there are no associatives instead of because you're town?

VOTE: Darklyn
not selling anything, just stating facts, see ya

If scum, massive looks scummy, really his vote in general seemed overdramatized

Yeah I really REALLY hated that whole conversation between you and Darklyn. Honestly I don't care if he's scum, he's not playing the game and filling it with gutter trash, I can be rid of him either way.

^this post right after he self-votes?

I just said I didn't think the replace out and self vote were unrelated which was your question?
???
Are you aight massive?

[Nosferatu]

I'll try to make this more transparent: I'm saying that the way you reacted to dark's whole attitude (self-vote included) opened up the possiblity that if dark flips scum you might be a potential partner. This is because of what seemed like an overreaction to what was simply apathy for the game, and I hadn't seen you react like that to apathy in the several game we've played together. Since the reaction seemed exaggerated, it appeared to me as if scum!massive could be lowkey distancing himself from dark by treating their behaviour with indignation.

You follow?

[Nosferatu]

How can this be seen as anything other than someone, who reads this game in a workplace setting, being upset at having to pull up game pages discussing sexual acts on a game site where this should not have to exist? This is not "partner anger." This is "legit disgust." The fact that Darklyn (and now you) are trying to conflate this as "scummy behavior" is why a replace out is probably necessary -- it seems no one can stoop so low as common decency and respect for their fellow players. so no, I am not "aight," I am legit pissed that this is even in a Mafia game.

See but you didn't say "im upset cause dark used the s-word*"
You said it was because he said he couldn't be assed to follow the game. So I don't see how you expect me to immediately recognize your victorianesque disgust for indecency when you don't make that clear at all.

*the word being succ

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: Alz

[Nosferatu]

scale from 1-10 how hard did you scum read massive?

[Nosferatu]

should say 0-10 since there's an "I didn't" option but w/e

[Nosferatu]

is alz ever gonna come and play this game

nos come and talk to me?

ytho

and when the fuck have I ever played with nancy? you said we had meta so I was like pieguyn??? hella confused and watching legion doesn't help

and damn that replace was quick af

[Nosferatu]

I feel this^^,

Anyone got a 10 by 10 summary. (scum up 10 pages at a time)

slips are real rn

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: Fire
I'm fine with this

[Nosferatu]

Omg fire IDK anymore
UNVOTE:

Thinking either Nos or Momo

Maybe if you gave some proper reasoning for a vote you wouldn't feel so little conviction with them

I'm more interested in people saying to ignore Pine.

That's Nos and Fire and probs someone else

I still think we shouldn't have lynched pine yesterday. It's what vig shots are for, and props to Ali for doing her job there.

I've never seen town do a fake post restriction like that. I mean you could show me and light up my world but besides that, yeah no I don't see that happening.

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=6771

Three town fakes different posting restrictions

this game was played when I was actually 6 years old

[Nosferatu]

@AJ: I voted wheme cause of the interaction between him and Fire.
I switched off of Alz because momo replaced in and I wanted to wait for him to do something one way or the other.
Voting Fire currently cause I didn't like the outburst of extreme shitposting.
I left pieg wagon D1 before I changed my read because it very obviously wasn't going anywhere and Persivul seemed like an interesting push.

Any other questions?

[Nosferatu]

To be specific on the posts that made me change my mind:

Hi everyone. Looking forward to this game

Yeah wheme is not acting Town at all.
VOTE: Whemestar

Want my reasons on why I changed my reads bud? Ok give me a second

Promises to explains reads, the shitty explanation that isn't inherently scummy or towny is ommitted.

I don't like explaining things without acces to a computer and I won't until tomorrow

When asked to expound on aforementioned shitty explanation doesn't want to explain

It's what you get

This is what I got from you just 5 posts ago.
Want to explain how you went from "I got nothing for you" to "Okay hold up, let me give you an explanation"?

Because I don't like being voted by someone who's reason is "he's not acting town at all"

Tell me how do I act as town.

Starts deflecting and asks a question that has no bearing on the situation at all other than a single key phrase, essentially Kelleyanne Conway'ing Fire.

I don't like giving progressio. I like keeping my thoughts to myself if I can

Goes back to original line of questioning and then gives excuses for not answering properly.

How did I slip up if I'm scum

Another KC moment.

Why do I have to give reasons on why I'm town? What's your reasons on why your town?

Three's the magic number.

You claimed miller in your first post in one of your games as scum, is that vague?

QUADRA KILL!!

That's the stuff from in between my defense of wheme and my 180.

[Nosferatu]

Yeah Nos, why did you unvote Alz for Momo when I'm his replacement?

Don't be pendantic. The point was that Alz replaced out, not that momo replaced in, you get the idea.

[Nosferatu]

Yeah Nos, why did you unvote Alz for Momo when I'm his replacement?

Don't be pendantic. The point was that Alz replaced out, not that momo replaced in, you get the idea.

It's not pedantic at all. In fact, you never really DID unvote, you just voted fire instead. And you didn't have a reason on Alz in the first place, nor did you state this was your reason for changing votes at the time. To me, your only interaction with Alz comes in post 821, where he calls you out for the shit time you spent against pieg. In honesty, Alz's case is perfectly fine and your reaction is the one that sucks here. And you start scumreading him for basically that, if I'm to go by your interactions.

Out of everything, pieg looks better in this interaction and Nos looks weird. I would like to repeat the question he asked-how would you consider changing your read based on his answer? What's your read now based on it?
This is weird, a weird question at the beginning, seems like an attempt to try to lay the groundwork to easily change his reads and manner of interaction towards him, followed by a casual response to pieg's answer to that question.

Yep, he's invalidated your case on him which appeared to be strong till now, with just one answer about the order he wrote his readslist in. Makes everything look very weird in hindsight

1. My read is now null on him. The reason I scum-read him is gone, which is why I unvoted. I already posted why I would change my read based on the answer.
2. If I didn't lay the groundwork and ask him the question for him to answer, I'd be sticking to a scum-read I know was possibly untrue. In other words I'd be perpetuating a false read. Kinda the thing I voted him for.
3. I've never observed that sort of thing, but interactions aren't my forte. Although while I'm on that note, I don't think you should be looking at the interactions of two people when you don't think either of them are scum. I've tried that before and it typically doesn't work.

See the reason you gave before voting pieg at the beginning, is that his reads list was faulty and that mainly implosion had a TR of him which he kept perpetuating as seen in 263, 273. You kept focusing on him till 507 at which point you started backing down weirdly.

You then asked pieg what was the order he posted his reads list in saying that his answer would change your read. He said, he got it from activity overview, which was apparently enough for you? I don't understand how those two things correlate at all. This is very weird and completely vague reason to back off.

You asked him a vague question which imo has no bearing on perpetuating a false read. So according to this, you wanted him to give that answer which would prove he was not scum. All of this is weird.

I felt you were town at the beginning, a lot of your posts were similar to my thought process but this, it's scummy. It now feels like you were bussing him and then just slowly slid off

As for the last part, I've seen it happen a few times. I now don't think so strongly that implosion is scum, he seems more towny as posts go by. Pieg, yeah the scum reads reinforced by this and his prior posts on a read.

mb, I should've just assumed I was right and did absolutely nothing when I realized I could've been wrong. I should've followed through on a lynch that had a possibility of being town. That's honestly the stupidest thing I've heard this whole day. I started backing down because I doubted myself. I'm allowed to second-guess my reads, and if anything, it's what makes me town. It's called thinking clearly.

See the bold? Notice that he called you for the same thing I did. You have different responses to different players IN THE SAME SLOT. THIS is your reason for scumreading Alz? Come on, at least try to pretend you're town here. Like I think this is probably the best post Alz made and you gave him some half-assed response for it and then vote him out the gate. Alz fucking got it, and you for whatever reason don't seem to be able to give a straight answer about WHY THE LIST ORDER WAS ACTUALLY IMPORTANT to any case you could possibly make. You actually never even touch on it when dealing with Alz although he brings it up twice.

Also can we talk about:

3. I've never observed that sort of thing, but interactions aren't my forte. Although while I'm on that note, I don't think you should be looking at the interactions of two people when you don't think either of them are scum. I've tried that before and it typically doesn't work.

Holy cognitive dissonance batman. "I'm not good at interactions, but lemme tell you how to interact". The level of "Fuck off" you're giving alz in these posts is fucking astounding, considering you go to scumreading him and in that case should be TRYING to interact with him. To me, this is pretty cut and dry you'd rather him just shut up and eat rope than actually give an explanation for the weird shit that went down with Pieg.

So let's go back to your original statement of unvoting Alz because of [me] replacing in. This, I don't believe either. Nexus announces Alz's replacement post Sun March 26th at 11am. I make a few filler posts. You make two posts that day. However, your UNVOTE comes almost exactly TWO DAYS LATER and without me having done jack shit in this game. The only happening is fire rants a bit of shit filler and wheme votes him. You switch, putting fire at 3 votes before Wheme unvotes again. Is scum reading fire an acceptable defense? Not if we're going by your iso, which is completely and utterly devoid of anything on fire.

VOTE: Nosferatu

You're feeding me a line of bullshit.

I didn't scum read Alz for these posts. I was pissed off at him, but the scum read came after. If you look I didn't vote him D1 at all, so idk how you concluded this exchange is what caused the vote. I unvoted you cause you didn't do jack shit. I had no reason to scum read or town read you, and momentum for the wagon had died down, so why would I continue advocating for a wagon where new information can't be provided?

Fire was doing some questionable shit at the time (relentless shitposting + more things coming to light that idr), so I moved my vote there for some pressure. Dunno what I'm gonna do with that vote now with that vote come to think of it.

I'm responding differently to you than I did to Alz cause I don't feel the same as I did then. That's pretty much it. I felt heated and pissed off then, so I responded accordingly. idk what you want me to tell you as to why I don't feel pissed off at you.

[Nosferatu]

Nos's reads have flitted about in a way that really doesn't look like how reads naturally evolve. If nos is claiming that they didn't scumread alz with the original posting on him then the vote on d2 basically came out of nowhere and it's sort of strange in and of itself for a read to evolve from dislike to scumreading in the span of the rest of the day where his vote was resting on wheme and they haven't really said anything meaningful about wheme so far today? They voted alz at daystart and then jumped on fire when he was fluffposting but hasn't mentioned wheme who they made this big 180 on that they emphasized and explained the justificaiton for.

It just feels like nos doesn't actually have a consistent real view of the game that they're going off of. It feels like there's relatively little permanence to things that they're claiming they think, and everything is justified after the fact so they can come up with any justification pretty much.

I mean I thought it was fairly obvious that if someone posts a string of shitty posts and I make a 180 on a read that I voted them for those posts.
I thought it was also pretty obvious that if I don't mention scum reading alz during our interactions that I didn't scum read him because of his interactions. I justify things after the fact cause no one asked me when it was still relevant. If you had questions about the 180, why didn't you take the initiative and ask for it?

and for the second time, I didn't scum read Alz cause I didn't like him.

[Nosferatu]

it's sort of strange in and of itself for a read to evolve from dislike to scumreading in the span of the rest of the day

?

[Nosferatu]

If you had questions about the 180, why didn't you take the initiative and ask for it?

There's a reason I read ISOs. I don't always notice or ascribe significance to things that are worth ascribing significance to the first time I read them - for instance the alz post that I mentioned i really don't like.

So its ok for you to assign importance after the fact but it's not ok for me to justify after the fact?

[Nosferatu]

Will explain first one more later on not phone.
Second one, a those are different and b it's about a pattern. You've made so many unjustified jumps that I have difficulty believing that they had a consistent process of scumhunting behind them. It's not about one case of doing something then later explaining why.

a. How are they different? Why should I justify something that you obviously didn't care about until someone else brought it up?
b. I still don't see how you don't get it. If anyone, had asked me why I did something, I would've said so. But you didn't. So why do you think it's scummy that I explain something when you ask for it?

[Nosferatu]

First thing thinking more about it is probably not very significant. The bigger point there is that you have managed to

still

not justify your vote or fos on alz, despite talking extensively about what wasn't justifying it. Unless I've missed something but it looks like you just keep talking about what wasn't the justification for it rather than what was.

a. How are they different? Why should I justify something that you obviously didn't care about until someone else brought it up?

Being transparent with at least

some

of your motivations as town is beneficial because it lets others follow your thought process and figure out if you believe the things that you believe for genuine reasons. Me assigning importance after the fact is because I'm not perfect; I miss things and I change my mind sometimes. Comparing the process by which I assess others' play to how you make pushes and state your reads in general is a a non-comparison. The problem isn't that there are some things you didn't justify, I'm willing to accept that, it's that there are so many things you've done like your hop from wheme to alz and from alz to fb that look like they don't have any actual train of thought behind them because you're justifying all of the reasons after the fact and those reasons are sometimes essentially the most basic reason possible (i.e., jumping on fb because you disliked the fact that he was spamming). I don't believe that you have an actual process behind the reads that you're giving; you're keeping your options open and jumping on whatever flavor of the month there is.

I still want to know why you voted alz in the first place, and why you dropped your suspicion of wheme, and why the reasons you fossed alz were worth just dropping wheme, why you thought pressure on fb was worth jumping off of alz. Your play just makes no sense and you can give whatever justifications you want because you've been so opaque. I don't remember your play from any games with you that have gone beyond day one but I just can't see genuine scumhunting behind what you're doing.

b. I still don't see how you don't get it. If anyone, had asked me why I did something, I would've said so. But you didn't. So why do you think it's scummy that I explain something when you ask for it?

I guess this is fair, but (a) the fact remains that I just cannot see your line of thought in this game if you're town and that your jumps are very convenient as scum and (b) there are other reasons that I think you're scum (the early pieg thing, and the more I think about your reaction to the pine PR the more it feels faked).

I scum read Alz because of a case pieg made later on in the day. Read the reasoning, read his ISO back, and it was simple as that. Like I (thought I) explained earlier, the Alz wagon had lost momentum and he got replaced, so I figured instead of waiting for his replacement to do something, I should move my vote somewhere else, and so I started to look over at the playerlist. At that time, Fire started a shitposting spree, which I remembered as something scum!Fire would do. Some votes started to pile on, and so that's where I went. Now I've got to move my vote somewhere else, haven't figured out when or who it's gonna switch to.

As for why I stopped suspecting wheme, there was a fair bit of discussion earlier in the day about why he was probably town.

If you can't see my line of thought from my post-fact justifications, well I guess that's just an unfortunate clash of playstyles. I can accommodate for that now, but I can't fix what's already happened. Likewise, I can't do anything about you not liking my interactions with pieg. All I can do is answer questions.

[Nosferatu]

nos is robotic yes that's a good way to put it.. do you think his scumplay got bad suddenly or he's just having a bad game or?

can't get worse if its already trash my man

[Nosferatu]

It's a compliment. Even when you're scum your reads are on point

[Nosferatu]

Ya know, you never actually talked to me.

Why

Never had anything to say. This happens a lot in games with me.

[Nosferatu]

My 'agenda' is getting Nos lynched because she's scum.

Looks like your agenda needs some...
rescheduling

see its funny cause you're wrong

[Nosferatu]

Nos you want to talk to me?

I mean if you want

[Nosferatu]

"oh look nos is all clunky and bad this game he must be scums!!"

well don't be mean

[Nosferatu]

Why is it so hard to build a wagon on Nos.

It's my army of scum mates all brainwashing the town from joining your wagon. Sorry. Just had to be this way.

@Fire: anything you want to talk about?

[Nosferatu]

Why is it so hard to build a wagon on Nos.

It's my army of scum mates all brainwashing the town from joining your wagon. Sorry. Just had to be this way.

@Fire: anything you want to talk about?

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: momo
I'd like this over aj.

[Nosferatu]

are you fucking kidding me

the instant I submit to you guys' fucking memes you guys switch back onto fire? wtf

[Nosferatu]

i just don't see anything that makes me not want to lynch nos
they're continuing to vacillate between basically every person who's easy to vote, still without any transparency or any seeming attempt to be solving the game, and the only reasoning i've heard for them being town is "the case is dumb and nos doesn't do this as scum" which is not reasoning

i think it's possible that one of my townreads is wrong at this point because everyone seems so happy to arbitrarily vote momo at arbitrary times and i don't know how i feel about an aj/nos team but can we please lynch nos i really feel like between the way they're playing and the way that the wagon never seems to get any momentum and if it does something else always pops up like immediately it's a scum slot. the game state just makes so much sense if nos is scum.

I'm sorry, I should've reposted how I didn't like a massive interaction and then done a careful analysis of all 14 posts momo made. Fuck off. Why the fuck do you think the wagon on me doesn't seem to go off? Like do you honestly think there is one singular person constantly diffusing my wagon? Cause that's literally the only option, unless you think there's a 5 person scum team in a mini.

VOTE: Fire

[Nosferatu]

UNVOTE:

the 3 person vote block continues
VOTE: momo
L-1

pedit: STOP. There's too much shit happening. We're lynching momo or fire, so unless you're a fucking IC day cop, stop going for this wheme shit

[Nosferatu]

nosferatu, did you ever read my claim?

something about a scum traitor medic iirc

[Nosferatu]

pedit: STOP. There's too much shit happening. We're lynching momo or fire, so unless you're a fucking IC day cop, stop going for this wheme shit

lmao you don't get to dictate anything nos

mb how dare I try to give instructions to the great and esteemed desp

what a grave mistake I've made, please forgive me

[Nosferatu]

"unless you're an IC daycop with a guilty get off wheme" implies you have an unbreakable townread on wheme

i looked for an explanation in your ISO but to be frank i have no fucking idea what your read on him is. he was town because scum wouldn't ask to be in a town bloc but then you cased him pretty heavily d2 and then he wsa town again "because of some discussion earlier in the day"???

It's not indicative of my thoughts on wheme, I'm talking about the fact that the lynch just isn't going to happen

[Nosferatu]

In other words, it's a reference to my previous post that voting against the gradient is a waste of time

[Nosferatu]

@ nos after your unvote and move to momo and my vote on wheme its momo 5 wheme 3 so...you're wrong?

other than the people on the wagon, who has expressed desire to lynch wheme after gin's posts on why he's an unlikely pine partner.

[Nosferatu]

UNVOTE:

we have time

alright, what are we gonna do with this newfound time.

[Nosferatu]

This is scum Momo play

Let's look at momo ISO

With the back and forth and fight with fire, seemed pretty iffy to me.

Hedging(?) on pieg? He doesn't go further than iffy here, so I assume he's sort of unsure on the slot, but he might mean there's a scum read here

For me the rush hits, I analyze the rush, ponder thoughts here and there, and when it comes close to deadline and I haven't come up with anything, i'll just present what I got. I do think it's important how the stall works for various reasons I don't wish to talk about now, but late game.

This is not normal

,

gin.

I don't know if he's talking about gin's meta, but there might be a missing clarifiying comma there. I don't know.

The nos wagon looks pretty compelling. Considering L-1 right now.

Probably sheeping imp or aj

I don't know how you can get anything alignment indicative out of this guy m8. The most telling thing about him is the fact that after a bunch of not reading, he's now promised to do VCA on D2, and ignoring the poor quality of a D2 mini VCA, he chose the method of scum hunting that would require the least actual scumhunting.

[Nosferatu]

Addendum: after looking at 1 scum and 1 town game, this doesn't look like either one.

[Nosferatu]

other than the people on the wagon, who has expressed desire to lynch wheme after gin's posts on why he's an unlikely pine partner.

i couldn't give two shits about gin's posts about why wheme is unlikely to be pine's partner because his argument is bad

Actually kellyanne conway here
answer the question

Can I just say I witnessed momo do some crazy shit.

viewtopic.php?p=8984553#p8984553

Read THIS ONE PAGE of the game I finished modding.

ok I audibly kek'd on this one

[Nosferatu]

gonna laugh if momo and wheme are last 2 scums

This post suckssss

how

[Nosferatu]

Actually kellyanne conway here
answer the question

the answer to the question is i don't care. if they aren't willing to lynch wheme because gin says pine would never even vote a partner d1 when he was already doing something out of step with his scum game that isn't my problem.

why they don't want to lynch him isn't the problem. It's the fact that they don't want to lynch him.

totally setting aside the fact that it isn't bussing without a body and there are several reasons to believe it could have been on a buddy

does him adopting a bullshit meme post restriction not signal to you that maybe this wasn't a normal pinescum game?

Ok, I actually hadn't thought of that, you've got a point there.

This is who we lynch today and thats final. Ok? Ok.

oh god

[Nosferatu]

@pieg: just hope you're aware that you've got 4 scumspects when there's only two left.

[Nosferatu]

@pieg: just hope you're aware that you've got 4 scumspects when there's only two left.

was this supposed to be to me?

yes

[Nosferatu]

I think if pieg was town she wouldn't of got on darklyn wagon

why is that

[Nosferatu]

It's possible pieg is scum but i haven't seen anything that makes me feel that way and i've seen plenty that doesn't.

i'm pretty unmotivated because no one has still given anything that i feel even accurately addresses the points that have been made against nos by me and by aj and i've yet to see anything from nos that makes me think town when looked at under scrutiny. the only point that even vaguely meant anything was pieg weakly mentioning meta but she never substantiated it at all.

the momo wagon just feels like a distraction and i would like happily jump on it if i wasn't more and more sure nos is scum and it feels like it. Nos/momo is possible but is probably too straightforward/not sure if it fits the dynamics that this day has had.

pretend im scum and im busing.
swing that hammer bby.

[Nosferatu]

Legit don't know where to look now

[Nosferatu]

So what this all boils down to is that I'm wrong about something.

dont get too excited, but i think ive got an idea about what

[Nosferatu]

IF YOU TOWN READ IMPLOSION, VOTE YAY

IF YOU DON'T, VOTE NAY

Seems to be that i asked this yet no one responded

nay

[Nosferatu]

yay

Hey nos, are we playing another game of "I've never scumread _____ but I'm going to pretend I am now"?

I dunno what you're referring to but not having a town read isn't necessarily a scum read.

[Nosferatu]

readin rn

[Nosferatu]

Nos, what's the deal?

idk what you're asking me here

[Nosferatu]

People treated it as a dumb tell for me being town and I don't know if I could apply that the same way with nos.

I don't have any tell like that that I know of. AFAIK this is the first time I've openly stated I had no idea where to look at day-start.

[Nosferatu]

Pers or Pieg

Nos or Gin

Everyone else is town.
Think Nos is scum but Gin may be scum for TR me so hard. That's what I'm getting from him

why does scum!gin town read you so hard?

[Nosferatu]

I tend to play like that, and because of that there's tends to be a scum that pockets me and I will never vote that scum, and town loses.
That's why I think Nos is prob scum[...]

yo but I haven't even attempted to pocket you tho

[Nosferatu]

I tend to play like that, and because of that there's tends to be a scum that pockets me and I will never vote that scum, and town loses.
That's why I think Nos is prob scum[...]

yo but I haven't even attempted to pocket you tho

I meant Gin

you meant "you" instead of "nos"?

[Nosferatu]

Nos, a couple of pages ago, Gin summarized who townread and scumread implosion. Surely you didn't miss that he put you as scumreading implosion? You contested me when I called you for it, but when Gin just casually says you're scumreading Imp, you have no reaction.

didn't feel like it. Does it matter that I didn't feel like saying the same thing twice? Forgive me if I don't see how that's indicative of anything but me being lazy.

[Nosferatu]

oh
I mean I don't have any better options
VOTE: pers

[Nosferatu]

Either Aj or Nos and I really don't think scum would bus

But one of those two options was on the pers wagon?
VOTE: wheme

[Nosferatu]

I'm claiming RB who, targeted Edo. No, I'm not going to put up with that, Gin. 0 Reason I'd kill edo over you or someone who isn't ML bait.

I believe this claim.

[Nosferatu]

I'm an odd-night cop.

N1: Fire - roleblocked
N2: Implosion - town

If you can't see why I believed AJ's claim now, idk what to tell you other than the fact that Alz scumread me.

[Nosferatu]

Either Aj or

Nos

and I really don't think scum would bus

But

one

of those two options was on the pers wagon?
VOTE: wheme

Aj was voting you? Check your facts

Persivul (5-LYNCH)

- Desperado, Edosurist, TheRealGin-N-Tonic, Whemestar,

Nosferatu

Nosferatu (3)

- Aj the Epic, implosion, Persivul

Obviously I wasn't talking about AJ then bud.

The fact that you also turned around and proceeded to justify not voting me doesn't help either :/

[Nosferatu]

I'm kinda skeptical about gin's claim. It's a very easy one for scum to make, given Aj's claim and a dash of common sense.
UNVOTE: wheme

[Nosferatu]

I'm kinda skeptical about gin's claim. It's a very easy one for scum to make, given Aj's claim and a dash of common sense.
UNVOTE: wheme

shhhhh, no talking till we get our final two claims

okok

[Nosferatu]

nos didn't claim flavor btw, not a huge fan of that

I'm coca-cola

[Nosferatu]

Implosion, I know I got your approval, but Nos and Desp, would you be okay with including myslef just as lock town in crafting the game plan forward?

If not I can make them take me into account to clear any doubt you may have, otherwise I can just make the plans to clear the smoke on Desp, Nos, and AJ after the wheme lynch.

I'd rather you take yourself into account

I doubt AJ is scum. Why would he RB me in that case?

[Nosferatu]

there's also the fact that I didn't crumb my role until D2 and I got RB'd N1

[Nosferatu]

if he thought Alisae would shoot someone other than Pine I suppose it would make sense then.

[Nosferatu]

Are you notified if you get roleblocked

I was told that my action did not go through.

[Nosferatu]

Gin, why is there no option for "check it VT2 is killed"

Hard to kill yourself in this game isn't it?

[Nosferatu]

Gin, why is there no option for "check it VT2 is killed"

Hard to kill yourself in this game isn't it?

I mean is it impossible for you to be scum and kill VT2?

I suppose you could, but I'm not entirely sure what the benefit of that would be.

[Nosferatu]

I think we've pretty sufficiently discussed the day yes? Intent to hammer...

[Nosferatu]

That's exactly what scum would say isn't it

VOTE: wheme
[]===

[Nosferatu]

I'm looking at your chart again and I feel like it treats RB as a doc.

[Nosferatu]

UNVOTE:

[Nosferatu]

It doesn't?

whenever the rb targets someone, there is never an option for their death. Is this just to avoid redundancies?

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: wheme
ye ok back to this

[Nosferatu]

@ nos maybe next time you give your actual result and not just your interpretation of it lmao

I'll remember this
last time I was a PR and got a result I also botched it cause I got CC'd and I forgot to crumb so I got lynched.

I actually crumbed this time (no one doubted me so it didn't matter) and fucked up in another way entirely

But I'm sooo upset