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Try hard ^In post 21, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:What made you say this? Can you provide a link because I'm looking at their view topics and after about 5 or so tries of the most current ended games I couldn't find this example.
I mean this is your claim here so I suspect that you can abide by the burden of proof here.
In post 17, RagingSpammers wrote:He does that pretty much every gamestart for reactions like these
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what about him accusing the other head of being scum is cheeky again?In post 26, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Page 1 you post saying something cheeky, I think it's SCFTWR honestly
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oh so you are intented to push for a policy lynch when someone starts the game selfvoting as town?In post 29, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I'll show you why I think what I think in a simple hypothetical.
Say we go to post game and for the hypothetical your slot is indeed scum.
You go then to the first page and quote "Hey look I told ya'll she was scum but you didn't listen."
It's done to be sassy/cheeky.
Now, are you saying that it's scummy to ask for clarification on why your partner said that?
What in the fuck is the scum motivation in asking for CLARITY.
Do you do that a lot or is this something you just invented in this game?
asking for clarity would have been something like "I didn't like this. Do you do this type of shit game start a lot?" not that "OH this is obv scum for being cheeky" and "give me hardcore meta if they do that as scum!"
You did the second which feels indeed scum like try hard imo.
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You said the reason you find that scummy is that in post game - hypoteticlaly if we were scum we will laugh at you
So yeah thats the definition of suggesting a policy lynch. Isn't it?
and regarding the meta point I wanted to make a point. you asked to find hardcore meta for RC doing that. Thats the scummy part - The "as scum" was not related to my point at all >.>
Nice nitpicking though
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why don't you give the meta?In post 37, RagingSpammers wrote:
Theres way more info about elsa's alignement to be found by the content they produced than stupid rvs metaIn post 35, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I couldn't find it so because spammer has obviously seen RC do this before, I ask for where that was.
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I felt buddying here...In post 44, RagingSpammers wrote:Theres also the elephan in the room that Rc is a good player and believing anyone can have a correct read on his alignement by the first post in rvs is just not happening
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a really unsettling one tbh ...
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how did you initiate a discussion about meta without representing any meta yourself?In post 57, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
The entirety of the discussion was about the meta, how did you expect it not to involve talking about the meta?In post 50, RagingSpammers wrote:
lol not really, at the end of your lil discussion you re-ask about the meta thingy which is clearly irrelevantIn post 46, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Well don't say I'm doing stupid shit when I'm doing exactly what you tell me I should be doing instead. It's redundant.
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Or am I understanding this post wrong?
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so why did you initiate this conversation without having any idea about RC meta in the first place?In post 66, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:"the meta" was referring to talking about RC's apparent history of saying someone is her scum partner.
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why does your second vote feel random?
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before reading anything else in your post yeahIn post 75, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:P-Edit: You mean initiate the conversation about why I voted you? You got me who has never played with you, Frozen Angel(?) and RC, or your hydra for that matter and you sign your posts as Elsa and Anna and I somehow have to figure all that out and research RC's meta?
I had literally no information about you two, that hydra, either of your meta's or who was even who. The only thing I COULD do is read the post for what I thought it was worth.
Elsa is me : the frozen queen
Kindda famous in MS
Your the first one who ever asked
and Anna is Elsa's sister - In tis case RC (he always uses annie avi and I always uses Rylai avi though)
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yeah every posts mattersIn post 75, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:This part stinks the most IMO. It's the fact that you discredit all possibility of being right before you have the chance to see if it's actually true or not. It's you saying "RC is so good she WOULD NEVER EVER EVER make a post that could even hint as scummy in the beginning of the game. I would NEVER consider the possibility and you're an idiot for thinking so."
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Post 29, SCFTWR. People can fuck up on RVS really easy, every post matters.
I'm happy that there is someone on MS who is still actually trying to sort RC in a game beside me in games with him.
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pushing facts is the best way to get readsIn post 77, RagingSpammers wrote:
Also FA, why does this really feel like you're pushing something as fact moreso then just a read.In post 27, Elsa and Anna wrote:Rc starts a lot of games accusing someone to be their scum partner to find a scum like you - attacking back
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pedit: I think the point that Cloudie was trying to get across was that Leon ignored your hydra but targeted ours.
That's something you're gonna have to talk to Cloudie about tho.
pedit2: I see you Gin.
Pedit3: I is Alisae FA and is it really stalking? I just like playing with you ;~;
Haven't you learned that from me yet? >.>
and that wasn't me pushing a fact it was just me trying to see if he has double standards from asking me about that meta or not.
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hey Gin!In post 82, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Alrighty, well hi! I'm Gin, call me "Gin" or "friendly alcoholic."
Why you wanted to know RC meta? because of RC making that post or because of alisae hydra reaction to it?
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i won't post >.< I post >.>
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that his RVs push was very likely sincere.In post 89, RagingSpammers wrote:OOOOH okay.
And what did you get out of your whole ordeal with Gin?
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Now I have to see more stuff to say if it was town sincere or scum sincere
what have you got so far?
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That is something I might work on after making the alt/hydras accessible in main accounts.
before it its impossible - I'm afraid
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what did you get from this interaction after getting what you were looking for?In post 117, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
This is what I'm looking for, not blanket statements.In post 114, RagingSpammers wrote:No, I'm annoyed because so far you have shown
A. Arrogant play with your push on E&A
B. Asking people to explain obvious things.
C. You seem really difficult to work with because of your arrogance.
I can ask you why all day, does it get me anywhere?
No, not really.
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No matter what seems obvious, realize not everyone thinks exactly like you. You will always have one person scum read something for what another person town reads the same thing. The ability to explain what you think and how you came to that conclusion is paramount in the game of Mafia.
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they sure did start so many games like that. Its as much as work for you to find such game as it is for me. we have So many games together and he like me has so many games so yeah why don't you go and start looking at some games RVS's?In post 127, ProHawk wrote:
Can you point to a game where this has happened? - Specifically where scum attacked RC for starting the game in a similar manner.In post 27, Elsa and Anna wrote:Rc starts a lot of games accusing someone to be their scum partner to find a scum like you - attacking back
And I actually doesn't believe attacking back to that shit is AI on itself, I was just trying to interact with him by accusing him like that
why does verifying that meta matter actually?
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I don't know alisae to make that kindda call atm, introduce me to his playing style from your pov pleaseIn post 128, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Well Esla, a refusal to cooperate and lots of tap dancing around actually putting in work when asked for why they believe what they do.
I'll be able to explain it more when I can not phone post but there is just something that feels off about the slot as a whole and the way Alisae has been treating me makes me uncomfortable. Alisae is very emotional but a happy go lucky bouncy type of person and it just feels like her posting tone didn't represent the Alisae I've come to familiarize myself with(context in that every game so far she has apparently been town).
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You know that in like about 50 games on MS you are the only one who ever mislynched me as town and RC is the only one who ever lynched me when I was scum?
[and yeah I got lynched twice in 50 games on MS.]
But yeah Me/Elsa and my Frozen Icy things are kindda famous around here on MS. You are to shy to be in the community a lot
and stop calling me game thrower. Your play in that game was absoloute trash and I was just testing your unlynchable shit as my masonary suggested. You policy lynched me in lylo cause you were angry at me criticizing your play instead of playing - I was really tired and it was a busy regular wednsday so yeah
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Uhh the list is quite considerable. And why shouldn't she require people using shit meta versus us to support their own meta claims?In post 141, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
If this is all true it should be trivial for you to find a single instance of scum jumping on RC for "Teehee" posting in RVS. You are the one who justified it as a means to catch scum. Don't then turn around and tell others to "go find it".In post 130, Elsa and Anna wrote:they sure did start so many games like that. Its as much as work for you to find such game as it is for me. we have So many games together and he like me has so many games so yeah why don't you go and start looking at some games RVS's?
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yeah lolIn post 138, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Let’s play spot the contradiction. Ten points to whoever buzzes in first.
I wanted to make conversation with him so I wanted it be like RC was doing that siriously to hunt scum - But I really can't understand RC joking and seriousness about some stuff tbh
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I didn't justify it for no shitIn post 141, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
If this is all true it should be trivial for you to find a single instance of scum jumping on RC for "Teehee" posting in RVS. You are the one who justified it as a means to catch scum. Don't then turn around and tell others to "go find it".In post 130, Elsa and Anna wrote:they sure did start so many games like that. Its as much as work for you to find such game as it is for me. we have So many games together and he like me has so many games so yeah why don't you go and start looking at some games RVS's?
I was saying it was so NAI for someone to try hard like that and I was testing if he has double standards in pushing for getting the meta or not.
Its not really hard to find one will go search for one - one moment
*still not sure why is that relevant data*
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I don't do it in this case either explicitly as a reaction test or as a joke. Sort of somewhere in the middle. Mostly a joke but if someone responds in a scummy way I will react to it.
That said most of my 'troll' RVS options are intended explicitly as reaction tests but in this case the reaction I was looking for was first and foremost my hydra partner's-
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I didn't say that town vs scum have a clear dichotomy in whether or not they attack. What I am saying is that scum do it in a certain way.
Scum very frequently either blow the proportionality of what I am doing out of the water (similar to it being called an actual scumclaim in this game) or claim an unreasonably strong townread on me for it (despite knowing better).
Town rarely scumread or townread it outright and usually put it as null with a few outliers scumreading or townreading it but there's some decently strong townreads but not often true scumreads coming from town for it.
That said there ARE often unreasonably strong scumreads on me coming out of RVS just as a by default being RC tax and that could be getting conflated with our initial post to get that scumclaim BS.
Which all basically comes down to saying that it's not about what they do, it's about how they do it; which is my approach to mafia as a whole
Maybe, but how exactly are you expecting FA to know the difference? Do you think I skyped or imed her 'HEY I AM GOING TO VOTE YOU RIGHT AWAY FOR REACTIONS'?So now it was just fluffery and not anything meant to be taken seriously?-
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K I lied I can't find any games in that large ego But I'm sure they exist >.> - as I siad it will take exactly the same amount of effort for you to find a game like that
RC can you give them a game yourself?
RC always start RVS with a semi-joke thing like that to see reactions to it.
I was just using it to make a conversation with Gin
how is that confusing for you?
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I was testing if you sincerely believe in the push you made or not.In post 152, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I'm pretty sure my RVS was the most self explanatory post in the RVS stage. First in spoilers it was labeled pre-game and then I said I RVS voted you because of your nom. What's the point in asking an essentially rhetorical question?
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fluffery?!!!In post 149, MagnaofIllusion wrote:So now it was just fluffery and not anything meant to be taken seriously?
it was serious
RC has that meta But Its not like 100% scum catcher and I beleive its NAI. I was making a conversation with Gin to see if they beleived the vote they put on us or were just trying hard scum by exaggerating my read on them
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We like using skype and I didn't check it yet today.In post 157, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
You do know you are a hydra right? You are one slot and this "Well my other head didn't know what I was doing" is irrelevant. Do you not have a hydra PT? If not that's basic fail on both your parts. If you do that renders this question moot.In post 150, Elsa and Anna wrote:Maybe, but how exactly are you expecting FA to know the difference? Do you think I skyped or imed her 'HEY I AM GOING TO VOTE YOU RIGHT AWAY FOR REACTIONS'?
The game just started - are you accusing us for hydra dissonency for RC's RVS and me following it up?
what is your point?
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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=66342
I started the game by saying I was going to refuse to scumhunt for reactions, got some super scummy reactions from Postie and BlueYoshi, and led 3 consecutive lynches on scum.
I'm actually not in RVS that often because I replace into so many games. There's also the just finished 1866 where I scumread Firebringer refusing to vote to draw with me and was correct.
I will vote you if you continue to press this line of reasoning. WHO GIVES A FUCK WHY I WAS DOING SHIT IF WE GOT USEFUL REACTIONS FROM IT.You do know you are a hydra right? You are one slot and this "Well my other head didn't know what I was doing" is irrelevant. Do you not have a hydra PT? If not that's basic fail on both your parts. If you do that renders this question moot.
Was it originally intended as serious scumhunting? nah not really. Did we get a sketchy reaction that I wanted to press? yes so I voted them and FA pushed them for it.
That's what you call teamwork. And no we don't need a hydra PT because we have so many other ways to communicate but there's no reason for me to fill her in on the juicy deetz of selfvoting.-
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This is what it comes down to. What is the point that you are trying to make with regards to our interpreting my original intent with slightly varying degrees of seriousness?What are you trying to accuse us of?
Because if you can't come up with one and continue to press the line of reasoning as though it means something we will be voting you.
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Like if it's a playstyle concern whereby you don't want us to be two heads doing two different things you don't need to worry and it should be pretty clear from any of our hydra history that we mesh extremely well.
But if you're genuinely trying to say that it's scummy that FA thought I was being more serious when Gin's reaction made me immediately turn the vote serious then I don't know what to tell you.
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Wait what the fuck Vifam is doing game related stuff something is seriously wrong here. Vifam did you roll Jester this game?-
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MOI you woefully misunderstand my scum game. I would gladly charge into if we were scum. In fact nightkilling you wouldn't be enough I would make it a point to lynch you day 1 and then spend the rest of the game talking about how shitty your reads are and how funny I find it while I endgame town.After Science Mafia I know you aren’t going to make the same mistake of running right at me Day 1 if you are scum. So I can’t even take this bluster as alignment indicative from your head.
Sure, go talk with FA if you think she's the weaker link of the hydra. But she has an amazing record as both alignments as well so I think you're underestimating her
Oh, and for the record: I do and have always value my town game over my scum game and would never intentionally scum up my town play to aid my scum game.
I have played several scum games on secret alts and never once been even seriously suspected for scum, besides Fire and Ice and even in that game I was only suspected AFTER I altslipped. The river flows the exact opposite of the way that you think that it does.-
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You get mislynched a lot D1 or something?In post 213, eagerSnake wrote:I'm surprised none have misidentified me as scum yet. Similarly, I am surprised no scum have faked a scum read on me yet.
I have many other thoughts and opinions, but nothing worth sharing yet.
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lane already picked it up but thats not what I said >.>In post 219, eagerSnake wrote:
No. But usually at least get an RVS vote or someone claiming I'm scum. Neither happened. Surprising. Felt left out.In post 218, Elsa and Anna wrote:
You getIn post 213, eagerSnake wrote:I'm surprised none have misidentified me as scum yet. Similarly, I am surprised no scum have faked a scum read on me yet.
I have many other thoughts and opinions, but nothing worth sharing yet.
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How do you know it'd be a mislynch?
I asked if you have a meta of being hardly pushed and getting milynched early game or not?
if the answer is not this comment - out of nowhere - is so damn suspicious. why you ignored the whole game discussions to make a comment about how you are left out?
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