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Interrupted during my re-read, but this game is a bit difficult to get a grasp on. I mean Tammy/AJ are universally town read, and thats why Im not voting LUV right now because my reads were in the same place at the time of that post.
shadonra is making blatantly scummy posts and I don't really want to go that route just yet either. Empking is leaning town at the momentFate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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I figured shadonra had posted more than once and I had missed it in my skim.
I dont see scum making that move with their first post.
Randommidget and Pesrivul's follow ups are by far the worst votes on my wagonFate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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This is why I feel Medea is scum. Thats both an easy conversation to fake having had and also extremely safe.In post 259, shadonra wrote:I think Medea is town. I find scum unlikely to talk about this or lie about this conversation:
I don't like the look of Indigo - justifies their actions a bit too thoroughly, but I don't think I'm interested in it right now. They do the weird thing too consistently and it might be meta for them.I posted a couple times, we talked more about the setup while getting ready to go out and agreed with my initial reaction that no-lynching and massclaiming weren't good ideas, considered if there were any obvious things to suggest in-thread be done with the set-up, decided no (that changed for me tonight with floating hypo claiming). Went out and didn't think about it again until tonight.
Why are people townreading AJ? I saw an appeal to meta somewhere, but I still don't like his posts very much at all.
Medea's posts have been generally skirting around actual scumhunting and making sure set-up things are taken care of. Also focusing on people alignment through the lenses of MC talk or all that is much safer than actual confrontation.
Now that I've written that I think Persivul's got a bit more balls for actually being confrontationally with me and direct, so he gets less scum points.
AJ's tone and general timing of posts has been town from what I've read.
Randommidget just showing up and placing a vote on the biggest wagon is about as coasting scum as you can get. Especially when I'm such a juicy mislynch (if I'm mislynched town's chances of winning go WAY down).
BBMolla hasn't done anything that has stood out to me as scum but I still would guess town and probably leave him for another day down the road.
I like Reflektor's posts from what I can read of them. They are a bit too wall heavy for me to get a clear read but the content is at least taking stances IIRCFate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Indigo is pretty townie in tone as well.
I'm down with Alien/Midget/????/Persivul wagons in that order.
??? is a mystery scum read that may come to light when they've shown more of their darknessFate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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I've been phone posting and on the road until yesterday, during which time I had a friend come over. This isn't an excuse, but its context for why I haven't sat down and read the thread and posted on a laptop.In post 264, Aj The Epic wrote:Well you get to play mafia but so far that's been an unused option too.
There's something to be said for sitting in front of the screen with mafia, probably how my brain was trained to play it and how it operates best now.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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So Persivul lets talk.In post 262, Persivul wrote:VOTE: Fate L-2
234 - basically votes medea and hides behind other peoples' reasoning
235 - as noted previously the comment on shadonra pinged me, but I wanted to see a VC before voting. Also "I mean Tammy/AJ are universally town read." He's too concerned with what other people are thinking, not coming up with much of his own.
You were voting Alien, now you're voting me for what I know to be pretty shallow reasons. I am obviously concerned with the reads other people have, but they do not guide my reads if thats how it came across. I was noting that my reads coincided with others.
I wasn't hiding behind others reasoning I simply didn't have time to expand on my own while phone postingFate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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That's some weak meta, and now that I've cleared up why I wasn't very active you haven't adjusted your vote accordingly.In post 273, Randomnamechange wrote:In post 145, Fate wrote:Every post AJ has made are my reasons
this kind of posting seems low comittal and active lurky to me. iirc you were doing a lot mroe early game in summer mafiaIn post 150, Fate wrote:The low effort gold posting will commence for Tammys sake
VOTE: Random
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You sound like pretty upset scum.In post 274, Persivul wrote:
You assumed he had made more than one post, and assumed that those other posts were "blatantly scummy."In post 265, Fate wrote:I figured shadonra had posted more than once and I had missed it in my skim.
Here's molla's vote on you and explanation:Randommidget and Pesrivul's follow ups are by far the worst votes on my wagonHow is my vote worse "by far" than that?
The lone vote he made was blatantly scummy, so I figured yes the other ones were probably of the same caliberFate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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And what has Nacho said about me? Curious that opinion didn't cross your mindIn post 287, Reflektor wrote:I thought I was the second vote on Fate (hence the "deserves more pressure" but apparently I was the fourth. I'll still leave it.
I'm not sure I'll be able to catch up tonight, I will if I can but otherwise I'm going to wait to see what Nacho says about Medea.
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Well hopefully the vig knows to shoot random.
VOTE: Medea
You haven't really addressed any of the issues I had with your slot.
I am biased in my read on Indigo because I like the color. If he's V/lA for a week its really not a pressing issue anyway.
Weren't you voting Persivul before? We agree that read. Why are you no longer interested in pursuing him?Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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I am voting Medea the Alien as of this page
Alien now that you see Indigo is AFk from this thread, it supports my claim that youre not actively taking risks because what the hell is that wagon going to do?Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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I asked you specifically to have Nacho comment on my alignment and your hydras vote on me, Reflektor.
This is top priority, especially now with Tammy down I'm short on players I can trust if they're townFate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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No history but well see what their entrance is
Empking what are your actual thoughts on the game? The mislynch wagon on me feels cold but what are you doing to stop it with any other reads
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and yet you're still voting meIn post 361, Randomnamechange wrote:
yeah, my scumread of fate dropped off between my vote and his pressure on me for itIn post 360, -Grey- wrote:
This being said after 268 is mehh.In post 273, Randomnamechange wrote:In post 145, Fate wrote:Every post AJ has made are my reasons
this kind of posting seems low comittal and active lurky to me. iirc you were doing a lot mroe early game in summer mafiaIn post 150, Fate wrote:The low effort gold posting will commence for Tammys sake
CAN WE FUCKING KILL IT YET?Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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-Grey-'s catchup of the thread reads naturally enough for me to give it a town read.
That and I want to be justified in my thinking Indigo was town for no reasonFate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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I just think hes useless. Voting me this whole time, then when -Grey- calls it out that his vote on me was for shitty reasons given my explanation of active lurkiness, RM agrees his read on me is weak and has fallen off and yet hes still just voting me and not going for anything else.
Is it scum useless? maybeFate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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No I also have townread shadonra ever since his AJ vote.
I admit I may have given Molla too much credit for old times sake as well, hes doing less than fuckall this game
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Persivul you're trying real hard to paint me as scum.
What's scummy about having a null-read you want vigged and don't want to waste a wagon on? I especially like how you don't comment on random's alignment at all or try to tell us what kind of interaction it is.
Am I trying to mislynch him (if so there's so much support I would've gone for it) bus him? Please do tellFate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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All right random was active on site and didnt post here
VOTE: random
Calling all those votes now
Persivul I think you are unfamiliar with a playstyle like mine. I'm sure well be see eye to eye at some point if youre townFate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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If thats all the effort youre going to put into this game then youre scum whether youre mafia or not.
I haven't played in a few years, and I dont remember you at all (no surprise if its this unremarkable)
But if you haven't improved in that much time what the hell are you doing.
No its more likely youre just lurking the bare minimum here as scumFate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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if you're giving up on lynching scum D1 youre in a paranoid corner that has no hopes of a glorious scum sweep
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=66116
This is how you play mafia with Fate and Nacho town
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BY ASKING NACHO WHO HAS THAT EXPERINCE WITH MEIn post 582, Reflektor wrote:I'm caught up now and I have a lot to discuss. I disagree with a LOT of what is over the past 7-8 pages. I hate hydra dissonance but I think being transparent with my direct thought processes is going to be a lot more helpful than whatever comes out of negotiation.
Fate's on and off with the Random wagon, and general lack of attention to anywhere else, is atrocious. Attacking Random's playstyle as justification for a vote if Random is town is atrocious. I might even agree with it if you swap Fate's and Random's names, because Random might as well be the greatest mafia player alive compared to Fate. The only reason I see to townread him is that he's done it too many times. Nacho is adamant that this game fits Fate's town meta, and I think I should trust him on it, but if this is it it's fucking awful.
@Fate:As someone who hasn't played 30+ games with you, how the hell am I supposed to townread you? Your reads have made no sense at all, I think random's content is fine, and your read on Aj still made 0 sense at the time it happened. (Sidenote: Doesn't mean that Random isn't scum, but if he is I can't nail him)
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I'm not voting LUV today, 0 chance. I've seen him play better as scum and want him to step it up but this wasn't what I meant. I disagree with Nacho on the comparison to the other towngame. Comparing a town game to a town game is worthless, so comparing a single town game to a game he hasn't flipped in yet is virtually useless. Need to compare a scum vs. town first, then compare the unknown to have it really be useful. This isn't even close to the LUV I was scum with.
This is more of just a feeling on my end that is worth following up on but Persivul bothers me so far. He's made no posts that I scumread but all of his posts that I've liked have been ones that are veryobjective, in the sense that I think they're clever or insightful. There's nothing inherently wrong with this but there's been nothing that I've liked that issubjective, in the sense that I don't agree with them but can clearly see the intent or genuine, organic thought process. Getting all of one and none from the other is not a great sign. This is a really hard feeling to describe and I've botched it but it's the best I can do right now. I'd put him as a scumlean right now with weak basis, the problem is he's done nothing to really justify that, at least in my opinion.
I've got more thoughts to follow up on but I've got to run for now, I'll be back in about 6-7 hours with the rest.
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P.S. Again I hate that I'm basically slamming the door in Nacho's face right now, because I don't think public hydra dissonance is a good thing, but to reiterate I think that the ability to see my thought processes both pre and post discussion/negotiation with Nacho will outweigh any negatives that come from the extra noise.
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I don't know how shitty the communication is in your hydra but it would have to be pretty shitty to vote me without nacho's input and then refuse to ask nacho's input for the next 20 pages when I was asking you to.
Random's playstyle of "dont say shit and vote one person and not comment on anything" is complete bullshit compared to mine. Sure you can't follow my thought processes or reads, if you could I wouldn't strike fear into the heart of scums.
But you know where I stand at any point of the day, so you can evaluate me down the line if I don't lynch enough scum the first few daysFate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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