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Post Post #58 (isolation #0) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:25 am

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In post 8, Tammy wrote:I had a woohoo woowee I'm town post planned, but I was up all night and now I've lost the energy. So my inner cheerleader is like ra-ra go, but I'm tired.

VOTE: nacho

I won't abandon you this game. Will you abandon me?
I won't abandon you this game! I'm hoping that this will be the first game in a long time where we will both be town and the game doesn't devolve into a gigantic shitshow by page 20; we deserve it.
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Post Post #59 (isolation #1) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:25 am

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In post 55, shaddowez wrote:
In post 49, Tammy wrote:I believe I have an early leaning town read on kagami.
You believe you do, or you do? They're not quite the same.
except they are
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Post Post #60 (isolation #2) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:28 am

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In post 13, Infinity 324 wrote:Wisdom pointed out something that seems to be scummy for him

I was wondering why he didn't vote
Did you think that it was serious?
It's not like he pointed out anything specific, so it seemed more likely to me that he was throwing shit to the wall to see what stuck as opposed to a sincere scumread; why did you think differently? If he did find that scummy, why would you care about him holding onto his vote?
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Post Post #64 (isolation #3) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:52 am

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Goodnight infinity!!!
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Post Post #67 (isolation #4) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:53 am

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In post 18, Wraith wrote:Mr. Scruffy is wondering if there is a reason besides RVS that four players immediately voted Nacho.
Kagami and Tammy like paying their respects at the beginning of the game; Wisdom likes starting wagons on me because it makes him feel big and strong for a moment before I start hogging all of the attention and glory.
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Post Post #70 (isolation #5) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:54 am

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In post 66, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 65, Kagami wrote:Alright folks, let's speed-lynch him before he wakes up.
I actually kind of like him for town.
Why?
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Post Post #71 (isolation #6) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:56 am

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In post 22, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 17, shaddowez wrote:Hey Infinity, PV, farside, Cakez, Wisdom....I think that's all I know here.

VOTE: Pere

He's likely to lurk the entire game anyway, so may as well start here.
We'll see. I trying a new thing where I post crap one-liner posts that really inflate the post count of the game, to move to the more "modern meta".

But, it's still in beta testing at this point.
I think that this is a P5 townpost; I think that he ducks and lies low more as scum and is a little more erratic/all over the place as town. I think that he'd be more comfortable doing this as town than scum, especially since it creates an expectation for him to be active.
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Post Post #72 (isolation #7) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:56 am

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I love how I never actually know how tired I am until I try making sentences >.>
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Post Post #77 (isolation #8) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:02 am

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In post 25, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 21, farside22 wrote:Outside looking in.

Vote: infinity
This vote is interesting because it seems to be a wagon vote but not on the top wagon.

Unless you actually scumread me?
I don't actually understand this point either.
I understand questioning things that seem odd or out of place to get things moving, but I don't actually understand why deviating from robotic voting patterns would be odd to you.
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Post Post #78 (isolation #9) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:02 am

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In post 76, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 68, Kagami wrote:I'm ambivalent.
His answer to your question seemed legit.
To the wagon one?
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Post Post #81 (isolation #10) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:04 am

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In post 32, Tammy wrote:
In post 18, Wraith wrote:Mr. Scruffy is wondering if there is a reason besides RVS that four players immediately voted Nacho.

I'm town so he has to be scum :p
please don't joke around like this; cakez is playing so there's now a 75% chance that he latches onto this and uses it to tunnel me for the rest of the game
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Post Post #85 (isolation #11) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:07 am

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In post 80, Tammy wrote:His early play did feel kinda stiff like the maze pre-restart.
This + we know that he's scared of me from the pre-restart scum QT so I'd like his opening to be as uncomfortable as possible.
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Post Post #88 (isolation #12) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:08 am

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In post 80, Tammy wrote:but DON'T WORRY I'LL CONTINUE TO QUESTION MY READ ON YOU THIS TIME!
Does this mean that I can't misrep your cases on my scumpartners and get away with it again? :(
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Post Post #89 (isolation #13) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:09 am

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In post 86, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 85, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 80, Tammy wrote:His early play did feel kinda stiff like the maze pre-restart.
This + we know that he's scared of me from the pre-restart scum QT so I'd like his opening to be as uncomfortable as possible.
Let's not waste time then.

Vote: Cakez
Wrong person, but I love your spunk.
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Post Post #92 (isolation #14) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:10 am

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In post 87, Wisdom wrote:I will also agree with the townreads on Infinity.

I think that him continuing to nitpick things and defend that way of playing despite people clearly finding it odd and worth questioning shows lack of scum motivation.
mmmmm
considering his only real alternatives would be A) lurk or B) readjust midgame (and I think both would be bad moves for different reasons), don't really agree with the second piece on him
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Post Post #94 (isolation #15) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:11 am

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In post 90, Tammy wrote:Also maybe I've finally shaken off my scum streak curse. I'm actually finding early leaning town reads.
peregrine is stronger than a lean for me.
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Post Post #97 (isolation #16) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:15 am

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In post 49, Tammy wrote:I believe I have an early leaning town read on kagami.
I was thinking the same thing. I liked her approach to infinity in general but #47 was a pretty quality post
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Post Post #98 (isolation #17) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:16 am

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In post 52, Wraith wrote:Mr. Scruffy feels excluded from this conversation because it seems like people are using meta to scumhunt on farside.
I am not sure how you came to this conclusion in the first place.
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Post Post #99 (isolation #18) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:16 am

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In post 52, Wraith wrote:Mr. Scruffy feels excluded from this conversation because it seems like people are using meta to scumhunt on farside.
I am not sure how you came to this conclusion in the first place.
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Post Post #102 (isolation #19) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:20 am

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In post 101, shaddowez wrote:In this case they are pretty much the same, but the phrasing can still be indicative of things.
I think that phrasing is indicative of personality over alignment in an overwhelming majority of cases. I can't really think of a time where I've been scum and I've used less confident language as scum because...? Is this something you do when you're scum? Is this something that you've seen from other players frequently?
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Post Post #103 (isolation #20) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:31 am

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In post 75, Tammy wrote:Oh I forgot that I was going to tell you that part of me hoped you got scum because you've been on a town streak and you'd probably like it, but the bigger part of me just hopes you're town.
I'm glad I got town too. It wasn't what I was hoping for initially sure but suddenly am very glad that it happened this way.
The game at the Syndicate is a different story entirely.
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Post Post #105 (isolation #21) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:33 am

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In post 104, shaddowez wrote:I wouldn't say frequently, but it is something I've seen. It's definitely possible that it's personality related (for example, I highly doubt I'd ever catch someone like Thor this way), but it is something I look at when things could have been phrased slightly differently.
What makes you think that Tammy isn't someone like Thor?
She is in the top 90% of scumhunters on site, you know.
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Post Post #107 (isolation #22) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:08 am

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The point that I'm dancing around here for reasons that I don't entirely comprehend is that Tammy has the opposite of a full steam ahead playstyle. This is her personality; her cat is named Waffles in part because of her tendency to waffle here and in part because she didn't name said cat for days (weeks?) because she couldn't settle on a name for him. Your point is super duper not alignment indicative in this specific case, but I can't really think of a time where it would be alignment indicative in general. It's a bad tell. Do you have anything else?
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Post Post #109 (isolation #23) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:13 am

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In post 108, Kagami wrote:I think wisdom and infinity are the same alignment.
What rules out the Infinity-scum and Wisdom-town combination?
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Post Post #112 (isolation #24) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:27 am

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In post 110, Kagami wrote:Rule out is prob a bit strong, but scum-infinity would consider that town-wisdom was correct about him tryhard-ing and would give particular weight to that opinion.

Instead he appears to have completely ignored wisdom's post in considering farside's position.
How do you think he would have responded to it as scum? I'm skeptical because I'm not really sure how him giving weight to that opinion would translate to the thread, if that makes sense.
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Post Post #116 (isolation #25) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:36 am

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In post 113, Tammy wrote:In fact, changing your game when a person points something out is a red flag.
It's also awkward as hell to even try to change your play mid-game like that.
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Post Post #117 (isolation #26) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:38 am

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In post 115, Kagami wrote:
In post 112, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 110, Kagami wrote:Rule out is prob a bit strong, but scum-infinity would consider that town-wisdom was correct about him tryhard-ing and would give particular weight to that opinion.

Instead he appears to have completely ignored wisdom's post in considering farside's position.
How do you think he would have responded to it as scum? I'm skeptical because I'm not really sure how him giving weight to that opinion would translate to the thread, if that makes sense.
I think it would translate, at the very least, in him thinking that farside potentially had a reasonable motive for voting him, which doesn't come across in our discussion of farside's motives.
That makes sense.
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Post Post #119 (isolation #27) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:48 am

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In post 118, Kagami wrote:In going into the farside thing, I didn't get any sense of why he questioned her beyond (ironically) a desire to appear to be doing something.
Yeah, I didn't really understand it either.

I do think that it's interesting that he was in a "question everything" sort of mood and let the try-hard accusation go unanswered, didn't catch that before.
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Post Post #142 (isolation #28) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:44 am

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In post 123, Wraith wrote:Mr. Scruffy says "You're right."
This was an odd way to approach it; why not ask Cakez what his case on Wisdom was before supplying one yourself?
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Post Post #143 (isolation #29) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:45 am

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In post 124, farside22 wrote:Oh joy I'm being discussed.
It always feels like someone who talks about you without addressing you is a peeve I've had. Trying to step in bugs me too.

That's just me ranting a bit.
What are you referring to re: this?
Are you talking about Kagami/Infinity discussion about your vote?
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Post Post #144 (isolation #30) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:47 am

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In post 126, Infinity 324 wrote:Kagami is spending all his time trying to sort specifically me, which is odd to me.
Why? It's not like a whole lot of time has passed since game start.
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Post Post #145 (isolation #31) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:49 am

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In post 134, Leonshade wrote:@MOI: V/LA until Sunday the 13th.

Townreading Inf for his early play, don't see the scum motivation in his play. I think he's immediately scumhunting and trying to get the game going.

VOTE: kraska
What do you think of Infinity questioning Farside about her vote on him but not challenging Wisdom's early push?
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In post 146, Infinity 324 wrote: What push?
Wisdom saying that you were trying too hard early.
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Post Post #149 (isolation #33) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:38 am

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In post 147, shaddowez wrote:I'm more interested in why he seemed to be soft defending Tammy and focusing on things not related to this game specifically. Granted I brought up Thor and other people's posts, but that was to illustrate why I was looking into something here.
Your argument was that scum were more likely to post with qualifying language, with the exception that sometimes people use/don't use qualifying language based on personality. My rebuttal was that Tammy using qualifying language was part of her personality.
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In post 150, Kagami wrote:Hey nacho, do you think you can guess who my two favorite lynches are right now?
Do they rhyme with infinity and wisdom?
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Post Post #159 (isolation #35) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:14 am

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In post 127, kraska77 wrote:I'm in class and internet sucks here so I'll get back to this when I'm back home
In post 141, kraska77 wrote:I just got home I'll do things after lunch
In post 157, kraska77 wrote:also i swear i will do stuff now dont yell at me pls
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Post Post #224 (isolation #36) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:24 am

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In post 160, kraska77 wrote:this is kind of a cringe post
the probing stopped being about understanding infinity's thought process, and became about kagami flexing town muscles. also theres a coaching tone to this post that really rubs me the wrong way, kagami later says that she's not reding infinity one way or the other, and i feel if that really were true, the interaction wouldnt have come to its conclusion in the form of the post above. also i just dont like that kagami is using her own interpretation of farsides motivations as a benchmark to compare infinity's against, rather than read infinity's motivations for what they are
So, to the point about "stopping probing and flexing muscles", I don't really disagree with your statement but I'm thinking you're missing intent. First of all, I don't really think Kagami had any more probing to do on that particular point; Infinity had already given his reasons for farside and showed that he wasn't thinking about it particular hard. Second of all, the "flexing muscles" bit didn't come out of the blue; it came after Infinity told Kagami she was thinking too much in . I don't think the action is in and of itself a scumtell (I do it plenty as both alignments to show people that I'm thinking more about things than they think I am), and I think it made sense there as a way to show Infinity the direction she was taking (digging on whether he thought that farside was voting him because of Wisdom or not). Coaching tells are pretty silly in general, and I'm not sure why you don't think that Kagami would end an interaction in the way she did if she didn't really draw any conclusions from it. Her read also doesn't seem to be based on farside's motivations. She explained why she thought Infinity-scum might buy into Wisdom-town's reasoning (and thus assume farside's vote on it was based on that as a result); I don't really agree with it since I think that it's completely possible Infinity-scum thought Wisdom's reasons sucked despite Wisdom being town, but I don't understand why this would bother you overmuch. Her actual read on Infinity and not Infinity in the context of pairs seems to be based on his approach to farside (which doesn't have anything to do with farside's motivation) and maybe a couple things she commented on, so I'm not sure you're interpreting that right either.
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Post Post #228 (isolation #37) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:26 am

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In post 170, Wisdom wrote:to be clearer:
Making a post without being over the top tryhard is not a playstyle adjustment,
therefore arguing "yeah he wouldnt playstyle adjust so you dont have a point" is bullshit
Bolded is true if your sense that he was trying unnaturally hard early was correct. It's not true if he just has a nitpicky playstyle as scum.
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Post Post #229 (isolation #38) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:26 am

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In post 225, Infinity 324 wrote:I don't like how much fluff this guy has
Explain? This seems like a ridiculous reason for voting.
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Post Post #234 (isolation #39) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:32 am

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In post 180, Infinity 324 wrote:I didn't want to explain my reasons right away, but then I realized there wasn't a particular reason to hold them back
I like this post.
In post 180, Infinity 324 wrote:You respond to the response to my question but don't answer the question...
Sorry, I thought I answered it at work. I questioned shaddowez on the point because I thought it was weak and silly and I wanted to see if she was genuine about it. Did you think my line of questioning was unreasonable?
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Post Post #236 (isolation #40) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:34 am

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In post 233, Infinity 324 wrote:non-scumhunting related stuff
This is what I'm disagreeing with specifically. Where are you seeing this?
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Post Post #240 (isolation #41) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:38 am

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In post 184, kraska77 wrote:it could still mean that he doesnt find your reasoning convincing enough to think that was a genuine progression
idk wraith come explain that post of urs pls

pedit: wahat
Wisdom's side makes more sense; I think you're giving Wraith credit for things that he didn't actually say.
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Post Post #241 (isolation #42) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:38 am

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In post 239, kraska77 wrote:
In post 224, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 160, kraska77 wrote:this is kind of a cringe post
the probing stopped being about understanding infinity's thought process, and became about kagami flexing town muscles. also theres a coaching tone to this post that really rubs me the wrong way, kagami later says that she's not reding infinity one way or the other, and i feel if that really were true, the interaction wouldnt have come to its conclusion in the form of the post above. also i just dont like that kagami is using her own interpretation of farsides motivations as a benchmark to compare infinity's against, rather than read infinity's motivations for what they are
So, to the point about "stopping probing and flexing muscles", I don't really disagree with your statement but I'm thinking you're missing intent. First of all, I don't really think Kagami had any more probing to do on that particular point; Infinity had already given his reasons for farside and showed that he wasn't thinking about it particular hard. Second of all, the "flexing muscles" bit didn't come out of the blue; it came after Infinity told Kagami she was thinking too much in . I don't think the action is in and of itself a scumtell (I do it plenty as both alignments to show people that I'm thinking more about things than they think I am), and I think it made sense there as a way to show Infinity the direction she was taking (digging on whether he thought that farside was voting him because of Wisdom or not). Coaching tells are pretty silly in general, and I'm not sure why you don't think that Kagami would end an interaction in the way she did if she didn't really draw any conclusions from it. Her read also doesn't seem to be based on farside's motivations. She explained why she thought Infinity-scum might buy into Wisdom-town's reasoning (and thus assume farside's vote on it was based on that as a result); I don't really agree with it since I think that it's completely possible Infinity-scum thought Wisdom's reasons sucked despite Wisdom being town, but I don't understand why this would bother you overmuch. Her actual read on Infinity and not Infinity in the context of pairs seems to be based on his approach to farside (which doesn't have anything to do with farside's motivation) and maybe a couple things she commented on, so I'm not sure you're interpreting that right either.
im half asleep at this point i'll reply to this tomorrow but damn this is too much work :(
sorry! i realized it was way too long halfway through but I couldn't stop myself :(
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Post Post #242 (isolation #43) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:41 am

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In post 189, kraska77 wrote:
In post 181, kraska77 wrote: shaddow, kagami, wisdom, tammy hey guys who are u reading as scum
oh and nacho too
wraith/cakez/maybe leon
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Post Post #245 (isolation #44) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:44 am

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In post 243, Infinity 324 wrote:Ok. It seemed like you were trying to argue "your point is bad" without a reason I could see on the surface.

Did you get anything out of it?
I'm getting things out of it, yes. Why did you think that me addressing it in the way that I did was odd when also thought it was a weird way to scumhunt when you first saw it?
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Post Post #247 (isolation #45) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:44 am

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In post 244, Wisdom wrote:nacho, what's your read on shaddow?
don't have one
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Post Post #248 (isolation #46) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:45 am

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i didn't really like her response to my questions but i'm also not sure if she knows any better
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Post Post #251 (isolation #47) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:46 am

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In post 190, Infinity 324 wrote:It's not really the read I have an issue with, it's your argument. You're trying to argue that wisdom's reason for calling me town is scummy, because you think it's unlikely he would believe that as town, correct? If not I don't get what you're trying to accomplish here
what?
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Post Post #253 (isolation #48) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:48 am

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none of those are actually fluff. the closest is #19, which is the response to a question and not really his point.
i can explain why there are scumhunting in each of these posts is necessary but I don't really feel like it should be; how is Wisdom detailing his reasons for townreading you in response to people calling the townread on you weak "fluff"?
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Post Post #255 (isolation #49) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:49 am

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When Shaddowez first made the "tammy said I believe! She's scum!" point, you asked if that was a legitimate scumhunting question or not.
I pushed the reasoning for being bad.
Both of these approaches seem to share the same purpose; am I missing something here?
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Post Post #256 (isolation #50) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:50 am

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In post 254, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 224, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 160, kraska77 wrote:this is kind of a cringe post
the probing stopped being about understanding infinity's thought process, and became about kagami flexing town muscles. also theres a coaching tone to this post that really rubs me the wrong way, kagami later says that she's not reding infinity one way or the other, and i feel if that really were true, the interaction wouldnt have come to its conclusion in the form of the post above. also i just dont like that kagami is using her own interpretation of farsides motivations as a benchmark to compare infinity's against, rather than read infinity's motivations for what they are
So, to the point about "stopping probing and flexing muscles", I don't really disagree with your statement but I'm thinking you're missing intent. First of all, I don't really think Kagami had any more probing to do on that particular point; Infinity had already given his reasons for farside and showed that he wasn't thinking about it particular hard. Second of all, the "flexing muscles" bit didn't come out of the blue; it came after Infinity told Kagami she was thinking too much in . I don't think the action is in and of itself a scumtell (I do it plenty as both alignments to show people that I'm thinking more about things than they think I am), and I think it made sense there as a way to show Infinity the direction she was taking (digging on whether he thought that farside was voting him because of Wisdom or not). Coaching tells are pretty silly in general, and I'm not sure why you don't think that Kagami would end an interaction in the way she did if she didn't really draw any conclusions from it. Her read also doesn't seem to be based on farside's motivations. She explained why she thought Infinity-scum might buy into Wisdom-town's reasoning (and thus assume farside's vote on it was based on that as a result); I don't really agree with it since I think that it's completely possible Infinity-scum thought Wisdom's reasons sucked despite Wisdom being town, but I don't understand why this would bother you overmuch. Her actual read on Infinity and not Infinity in the context of pairs seems to be based on his approach to farside (which doesn't have anything to do with farside's motivation) and maybe a couple things she commented on, so I'm not sure you're interpreting that right either.
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͙̮̖͈̥̰͔͙̲̇ͭ̉ͭͭͬ̌̋͟ȃ̶̞̻̭͛ͥ̅̌ͪ̃̀l̠̻̟͕̝̻̝̺̬̄͜͜l͇̻̭̯͑ͥ̉̇̑̓ͤ,̸͖̤̙͔̱̻͗ͪ͊̒̍̇̾ ̢̯̭̫̝̱͈͔̙ͤͫ͛͢͞I̖̝̤̲̺̠̘̪͛͋͛ͪ͂ͪ͐ͤ̕ ̂͏̜̰̰̩ď͔̟͕͚̟͍͌̊̇ͤǒ̡̹̪̐͛̂ͫ̈ņ̱̟̥̣̣̖͎̂ͥ͡'̛̘̭͙͑̃ͬ̈́̅̀͢t͈̘̬͉̒̓͛̅̐̃̀͠ ̷͎̐ͣ́ͯ̄ͣ͝r̷͍̙̖̞̹͂͝͞e̥̬̞̲̞̞͊͊̑ͤ͐̔̃͌͘͝a̡͍̰̠ͯ̂ͩ̉̋̋̽̇͂͟l̸͑̓͟͢ͅl̲̲ͨ̅ͬͧ͢y̺̺̥̤̔ͧ̔ͤ̑̈̽̚ ̶̲̻̮͍ͭ̉̐̑̾ͪͧ̀̈t͔͈̤͕ͤ͋h̹͉̣ͭ̊̋͟i̯͛̀͋ͮ̂ͩͫ̅͝n̨̘͛̒ͩk̶͎̝͇͎̔͐̾̅́ ̫̬̮̜̲̈̾̊ͦ͢͝K̸͍͕͙̱̖̮ͧ̈͡ả͖̑̃̀̄̌̕g͕̪̻͓̥͑ͦ͛̈́͢͟͞å̳̻͓̻ͬ͑ͤ̅m̳̬͖͉̯͔̐̄͢͡í̴̫̤̓̈́̓͂͗̒̋ ̧̱̔̄̍̈́͛͞h̴̬̹̒̏ͪ̍͒a̴̰̮̫̩̣ͤ̒̽̇d̴̩̰̭̘͔̬͖̏͊͞ ̗̲̤̾ͤ̇ͨ̓̑͐͂́̕͞å̹͎̗̻͙̱̩̮̑̉ͤ͋̏͢͝n̷̤̠̫̰̤̐̄̓̿y͈̹̳̯̎̓ͯ̌̄̉ͩ̾́͡ ̵͉̰̦̟̮͍̱͉ͨ̊m̩̼̳̼̎ͪ̈́o̵̥̖̣̱̲͚̥̐́̄ͯͮ̓ͅr̯͚̠̗ͯ͊̓̇͟͞e͕̝̞̖̻̜͓͎ͪ̀͛̂̏̍ ̼̞̳̬̬̤̙͂ͮ̋ͥ̒̄͜p̟̠͕̪̑̒̿ͣ̈͒͒̒̚͢ŗ͎̟̱̍ͭ͆̂̒ǒ̟̖̮͍͉͔͖̯̈́̍ͣb̷̪̲̓ͧͥ̌̒̇̄̕i̶̺̣͆̎n͊͏͓̱g̡̻̖̝͚̟̰ͣ̈͆̚͝ ͖̩̆͛̉̂̈́ͨͮ͠͠t̵̛͕̲ͩ̐ͦ̏́ͮ̂̚oͦ̔͌͌ͤ͏̘̗ ͎̪̹̲͎̲̙͑ͭ͢ḑ̵̵̪̗̼͖̤̙ͣ́̿̚ȏ̴̥̟̱͐̀ ͈̃̐̈́ͯ͜ơ̦̗͓̙̬̊͠ͅn̵̮̥̮̘̪̹͍̫̓̾ͪ͒̉̿͆̂͝ ̏ͨ̚͏̮̳͝t̻̦͕̞̹ͨͩ̾̈́͊ͮ͠h̡̺̳͓̰͇͇̲̙̃ͩ̋̓͜a̴̞̞͕͚͎̫ͤ̽ͬͨ͌͛͜t̖̠̖̩͇̫̩̜̓ͨ̄ͥ ̶̵̖̋́̓ͯ̔ͧͦ͟p̧͍̺͇͚̒̇̐ͧͬͭ̕͢â̤̝͈̍̉̔̕r͙ͨ͂̃̉t̴̼̪̬̖̲̆ͩ̓̚͜i̸̳̩͖̱̭̳̋̂̉ͅͅc͍̠̦͖ͨ̓̒ͧuͮ̉ͬ͏̻̘̬͇͈̺̙l̝ͤ͗̌̏͜͝a̭͇̜̬͓͖ͩ̔͗̇̈́͟r̶̡̪̘̣̬͂̉͂̌͗͒̈̍ ͈̅͛ͥͧ̓̈ͪͩ̀͘p̛̬̲̼̲̐̿͑̿͘͟o̭͉͈ͣͭ̈ͮ̌̀ȉ̛̫͖̬̤̭̈́ͤ͠n̓̋͊̅ͦͭͭ͑͏̴͎̞̺̗t̴͙͚̒̍;̶̫̥̳̖̪́̉͆̌ͦ̇̌̍͗͠ ͤͩͫ͏̡̟̩̬̜̯̲͎̻̕I̸̶̫͙ͩ̿̈͡ņ͇͔̰̗̗̥̟̩̩̾̽͊f̳̼̯͎̪̺̙̻̓͊̄́ͯiͥ̋ͥ͏̗͉̳͝n̡̤̳̯̑̒̓ͭͨ̂͒ͩ͊ỉ̵̛̻̜̺͍̩̎͂ͥt̷̛͖̿̉̐̌y̧̺̮̦̱̮͚ͩ̎͒ͧͦ̎͡ ͉̥̖͖̪̙̩̯̉́͡h̺̯͉̱͙̜̹̣̓ͦͥ̾̀͜a̶̡̩̼̬͔͉͕̺ͦͧd͎̹̺̠̲͌͗ͮ͊́ ̼̩̙͍̝͒͒̓͗ͅa͒͌͏҉͈͇̗̜l̞̩̗ͧ̆ͨ̚͘͡ŕ̘̄ͭ͞e̢̩̦͉̥͙̹̤ͮ̾a̦̱͈͍̔ͤ̋̓̀͘͘d̪̱̪̗̯͈͊ͅŷ̛̝̜̭̱̻̭̱͇͐̿̍̃ ̹̟̱̻̘͕̑ͪ͗ͦ̚g̨̠̜͕͉̅̊͛î̸̝̩̥̆̈̇ͧ͐̚͘v̷̗̻͙̘̞̞̼̝̟ͫͣe̯̯ͬ̓ͬ̏̒̋ͮ̒͞n̶͙ͤ͗ͬ̚ ̆͏̰̙͖͉̻̩̙h̗̰̘̲̩̜̰ͥ̏ͤ̃ͤͬ͊͗͢i̗̳̱̲̠̩͋ͧ͑̈̏ͤ̀͝s̵̱̠̜͚͇̀̈́͑͂ͥͣ̕ ̶̸̪̠ͨͧͥͦ͋̂̐r̢̳̠̾̌̓e̷̥̩̿̈̈́ͯ̅͊͗ͦͩ͝a̢̞͖̙̘͓͚̎ͪͮ́̕͢s̜̮͈̎͝͠͞o͈̖̘͑͊̂ͮ̍́͘͘n̢̝̯̳̘̆̔ͭ̾̆s̬̪̭͖̜͙̟̱ͬͥ̊̉͢͝ͅ ̛̮̞͓̉̔̅̽͊ͣͫ̇́͝f̑̆͂ͭ̍͏̼͙͕̥̲̟̘o͇̱̟͓ͫͩ͂ͯ̍́́͝r͖͚̪̺̘͐̿͌͌͜͝ ̢͇̻͙̰̰̘͔̿͆f̵̜̳̘̩̒̔͜ȧ̸̡̙͕͕̊̓ͥ̔̑̎̾͟r̵̟̰͈͇͔̜̮̍ͧ̎̍ͪ̒̓s̺̆͗ͪ͞i̡͊͏̫̻̹̟̥̫͞ͅd̗͓̦̪̠̠̥̺ͫͫ͛̀͘e͚̝̯̽ͫ͌ͤͮͧ̊͝ ̘͚͗̆aͤ̈́͑̿̐ͮ͋҉̷̞̥͖̘͝ň̰̖̉́͠d͚͚̗͛ͤ͐͂̓ͯ̚ ̸̧̪̞͙̰̘̩̣͕͋̄́s̶̺ͫ̇͑̀͘h͇͑́͝ͅō͈̜̣̫̥͕̫͇͂̾͠w̛̹̤͇͈͓̹̹̲̔ͥ̈́̽̽͛̅e̢̘͉̱̰̖̙̐̋̃͝d̸̫̹̥̟̣̖̟̒̔ͨ͢ ̥͆̔̏̂ͭ̏ͣͩ̚̕͞t͗̋́͏͇̫͖̦̣h̤͇̭̮ͭͧ͋̐̀a̴̢̬͖̗̯̪̹͙͓̼͐̉͐̀̀t̛͚͚̜ͦ͜ ̮̰̠̭̺̩̺ͯͫ̀̓ͭ͋̄͠h̨̖̦̦̭̗̟͊̈́ͬ́ͥͩ͛͡e̙̖̤̙̣̠͈̻͑ͫͬ͐ͤ͂͐̚ 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̷̼̠̣̜̲̦̘͓ͭ͋ͯt̸͉̳̮͓̝̯ͫͦͅh̙͇̮͓͆̄ͫ̓͊̐ͧ̽ơ̷̱̼̠͕̬͎̹ͥ͒ͬ̃ͯͯͥ͟u̸̷͔̒̓̇̑͛̾ͪ̚̚g̺̝͚̍ͧ̋̑̋ͤ͘͘͞h̔̈͐̂ͯ̉̿͏҉̘͕̲̥̺t͙̙̖̅ͭ̊̈́̌͐̑͘ͅ ̵͙̹͈͎̣̮̼͐͛̃̈́͆t̳͉͔̫̂̓ͦ̓̆ͧͦ͒ͥh̴̢̻͕̻̦ͩ̊͊͐̈́͒͘a͚̬̖̯͎̯̩̥ͩ͗ͫ̈t͓̣ͩ̿ͮ̀ ̩̪̼̇ͭ͟͟͢f̨̗̫̟͖̩̒̑̈́͞ͅͅa̵̓̌̆ͥ̍̽͋́͏̥̻̭̺̱̠̪̤r̨̭͊ͫ̆͞s̟̻̘̪̽̓́̃̎ͦ̂̀͡i̗̣̫̺ͦ̐ͫͬ̌ͣͩ́ḏ̹̪̲͔̮̾̏͐ͥ͌͜ę̵͓̳̗̹̺̐̆̿̀̒̑̾̊ͪ ͍͉ͨ̋̄̾ͭ̾̅͆́̀w͚̳̯̤̞̒͋́͛̀a̶̻͚̲̞̝̺̎͑͠ş̹͇͖͖͋̓͘͟ ̯͔͓̅̑̆̆̅̿́͞͡ṿ̴̗̥̝̣̪̰̬̣̊ͭ͜͝ó̶̧̦͈͎͕͓̙̌̋̓̈͟ț̨̥̱ͮ͐ͪͤ͝i̯̲̙͚̝̳̥͕͒̊͋n̨̾̊̔̚͝҉̫̰͙g̱̥̘̱͍ͦ̇̀͛̂ͯͨͅ ͥ̒̊̉̐͋͢҉̗̹̩̞͍̟̦͎h̨͈̫̾̂̓͒̚͟ĭ̧̬̻̱̰̥̝̪ḿ̮̦͒̆̂̋̂̏̀̕͡ ͇̥̰ͩ́ͅͅb̒҉̶͔̕e͔̬̺̝̺͖̓̎͆c͓͈̖̩͙̦̃̓̀ͬ̒̐a̜͖̜̱̬̣̮͑ͯ̒ͬ̊̅̚͟͡ùͮ͏҉͇̪͖͇̺̬̦s̸͇͎͚̞̈́͗͢ͅe̘̟̩͔̮̫̮͐̋͠ ̵͊͏̠͟o̭̪͚͚ͭ̍̀f̢̪̤́ͯ ̅̓̍͌̿́ͤ̄҉̫͓̭̩͞Ẉ̸̵͉̐̐̿ͦ̾̋̋͛͠i̜̘͍̮̦̬͙̯̘͑ͤ̓͋ͧ̊͞s̥̭͍͍̰̠̙̖ͪͯd̗̳̂͟ơ̵̬̰̠̳͇ͣ̊ͭͅm̘̽̿̅͋͜ͅ ͔͈̟̟̦̜ͦ̔̌͡ͅo̭̯̠̦̺̺̗ͦ̀ͤͯ̉̆ͤ̈ͯr̢̬̱̯ͫ͐̉͠ ̩̮͎̼͎̳̣ͮ̂̽ͥ̋͜ͅn̴̴̹̳̞̑ͩ̉̅̓͆̒ͨ̚ǫ̥̪̘͍ͫ̇ͣͭ͐ͥ͘͞t͔̗̬͖ͧ͌͆̔̿ͬͮ͟)̤̳̇̓͌ͯ͆̐ͩ̎.̳͈̪̺̰̻ͬ̅͑̈̄ ̧̗̤̦̪̭̥ͤ͋ͫ̐̉ͤͬC̹̲̗̪͓̦̟̿̇ͥ͋͘o͙̺̟͓̰̹̊a̶̢̗͎͈̲̗͖̔̆̚c̡̄̀̚͏̛͙͇͖̮ḩ̶̟̥̖͈͖̪̬͙̐͞i̪̺̗̤ͮn̴̫̺̝̱͚̮̜͔̾͢g̛̛͖̭̗͖̟̙̙͖ͪ̌̾͋͡ ͎̜͍̠̝̩̖̂ͫ̕t̩̱̘͓͍̮̿̽͝e̢̢̛̳͉̱̬̮̮͔̩̊̏̇̍l̾ͯ͗͑͢҉̤̬̜ͅl̞̼̙̱͙ͧ̍ṡ̡̝͖͚̼̭̓͐ͭͥͮͯ́ ̧̘̯̗͐̀ͯa̮̠͉̥͙̠͇͗r͕͓͚͚̹̣̈̌͗̃e̷̻͙͇͓̣͐̅̋͌ͧͣͮͩ͢ ̴̼̣͙̠̙͖ͣ͑ͤ͐ͦͭͤ͆p̨̜̞̹͋ͩ́ͅr̳͍̫͎̘̾ͥ̈́͑ͦ̊͐͢͟e̛̟̙̼̮͆̓̒̂͒t̛͍̝͈̼̘ͭͩͮ͆͌͗̅̇t̵̤͎̿ͭ̌͋͟ẏ̶̗̤̠̥͓̮͎̓̿̍̈́̃ͣ͑͢ͅ ̧̢̙͎͇̘̜̻̻̝̹͂͆ͦş̷̠̫͈͍̤̖̝̦̒̍̎̋ͦ͑ͣ͡ȉ̴̺̺͚͎̊̓ͦ̍̚lͫͩ̇ͪ͐ͤ͏̗̻͡l̢ͩ̎͑͐͂͏̰ͅy̰ͥ̃ͬͥ̆̑ͫ̊̿ ͎̻̪̦͍͚̝̍̽ͦ͞i̗̠̻̬͇̓͋ͨ̔̃ṅ̹̰̔͡ ̲̹͈͉̹̦͔̿ͨ͆ͦ̄̍g͉̪̫ͦ͒ê̝̼͖̲̪̣̳̙͊̋ͮ̒̐n̨̖͈̖̞̣̰̳̤͊̾͌̓̇ͣe̝̬̬̞͕̯͒͌͂̏ͫ͒͛͆́̚ŗ̰̘̬̪ͨ̊̂̐̉ͫa̟̫͓̻̐̂͋l̢̮͓͎̮̠ͭͬ̈̏ͫ͝͝,̪̩͍̐̄̊́ ̊ͮ͂͗҉̡̳͍͔a̷̮ͨͭ̊̂̽ͯ͝n͖̩͚̳ͥ̈́̍́ͅḋ͙̋͡͞ ͒ͦ҉̺̳̥̭̫̲͍Í͖̝̰͒̃ͩͤ͌ͧ̚͟'͕͉̼̞̠̑ͯm̸͚̮͈̐̔̐̿̉ͥ͂ ̧̛͕̪̬̣̱̫̠̖̏͆́ņ̷̳̩̗͔̗̪̘͂̈̋̚ở̢̝̲̹͕͉ͨ̓ͤ̅͡t̥̠̩̜͈ͮ̇͑͑̔͞ ̠̝͓̫̝̰̼̞͍̔͑̒̈́ͣ̇ͧ̃ͮ̕s̙͌̿̑u̴̡͍͖̱͔ͬ̽ͪͯ͆̾̚r̡̙̊̓̅̈̎̓͞ͅȇ̸̓ͫ͏͔̪̠̝ ̨̡͓̗̺̜͉ͧ̀ͅw͎̱̑̎̃h͌̌̆̾̐ͪͥ́͏̴̗̱͈̬͚ỹ̵̢̼̼̫͇͍̼̒ͩ͐͋̓͘ ̵̨̟͙ͫ̉̈ͭ͛ͣ̇͢y̧̢̜̠̼̭ͩͪͣơ̼͙͐̈́̓̃͠u̴͎̦̭̤̘̥͐͗̆̓ͥ̊̒͜ ̬͍̦̝̝̟͙̙ͪ̋͠d̨̙̭̂̔̓͆ͯ͑̽̓o͚̻͎͚͊ͭ̀͢ṉ̱̣͚͓̃̈́ͣ̔ͫ̃́'̡̯̥̰̰͖̩̝̼̬ͦ̋͌̊͐t̯̮̫̓̑ͨͦ̔͋ͥ̒ ͖̊ͫ̇̌ͦ̆́t̷̖̫̠̪ͯͤ̾ͥ̓h̨̭͓͇̗̻̤̭͓ͨ͛͋i̝͙̤̪͆͊̈́̇ͭ̈́n̛̙͔̩̓̑͝k͈͍̝̻̬̜͚ͣͫ̃͜ ̝̍ͣ̀t̶̛̛̝̪͈̜͈͙̦͚̔ͫ̀ḥ̵̰̥̿ͤ͛ͮ̐ͭ̀a̹̳̣̫̰̜̫̬͌́ͣ̇͌̄̄̀t̼̮͉͑̄̋͑ͨͫ̓ ̴̮̝͉͇̟̥͉̪͛ͦ͗͒͝K̍̀̅҉҉̳̜́a̗ͦͤ̄ͫͬ̚͜g͙̙͖ͧͮ̊ͥ̒͞ą̶͎ͮ̊ͩ͝m̰͎̬̙͔̩͔̩̘ͨ͐͜͞i̛̹̗̦̯̗̭̦ͮ͒ͅ ̴̧̻̭̳̯̬ͩ̊̒w͇͔̜͇̒̓̕͘͜o̴͇̗ͦ̅ͮu̸̘̗̰̝̥͎̣̝̍̓̉̅̀̇́l̖̬̘̫͍͎ͨ̅͐ͣ̆́ͅd̴̷͉̤̺̜ͧ̒̾ͣ̑̀̋̉͡ ̶̲̈̉̽̂́͞e̛͇̣̻̙̭̻̲̳̙͌ͮ̀ͬ͟n̶̺̺̲ͤ͛̑ͬͪͩ̓͠ͅd̗̹͎̞̅̃̈́͝ ̧̰̙̰ͣͥ͋ͨ̓͗ͅͅą͔̠͍̱͙̌͗̄ͪͣͅn̵͓̞̠͕̲͇͌̍ͅ ̨ͫ̎̌̚҉̷̙̼̗̫̠̜̜͔̱i̸̼̩̙̳̳̖͂͂ͬ̓̓ͧ̊̾͝n̴̗̪͚͓̈ͨ̈͆̉̎͂̍̕t̳̘̺̊̇ͪ̀̎̔ͮ̚͘̕e̸̺̲ͬ͂ͫͥͥ̓͌ͅr̡̯̼̣̻̩ͣ͂͑ͪ̏͋́̚ȁ̪̟̮̦̗̣̤̠̏̎ͮͦ͢ç̭͚͓̫̣̭̱̈̑̒̓ͥ̏́ͬt̡̂̃̃̉͠҉̥̬̩̠̲̞̻̖͕i̛͈ͨ̄ͯ̐ͧ͐̑o̪̫̜̼͉̪ͫ̋ͥ̈ͮ͑́n͎̺͕ͯ̉̅ͪͥͪ̔̚ͅ ̶̧̠̝͇̮͚̺̥ͣ͛̑͊́͌̏̇͗i̵̛̮͙̯̘̺͂̅̀ñ̷ͧ̒̎ͫ͊̔҉̟͓͇͟ͅ ͇̜̩͙̹̣̐̈́̿̚̕t̴̶̬̙̣̬̼̦́ͧͬ̂̓͆̏ͣḩ͔̙̜͎͎̣͈̬̒̈̊̉̏̃͢e̗̤̻̯͓͍̹̓͆͡ͅ ͬ҉̸̴͖͇̭̝̱ͅw̹͇̪͍̙͛ͫ͆ͩ̃͒̄̚a͕͍ͥ̂ͪ͌̌̒̊͆ͯ͠y̨̦̘̜̰͖͉͍̌͒ ͖͓͓̠̰̬̰̓̈ͦ̇ͮ̍̓͘̕͜s͗ͤͭͬ̉͜҉̖͕̙̰h͉͖͎̻̩̩͉̎̍͘ě̞ͨ̑̔͒̃͑̈́͝ͅ ̗̙̱̘̏ͤ̾ͪ͊̚͢͞͞d̎̌̊̌̈́ͩ͘͏̳͓i̸̵̭̯̥͉͈̦̺ͭ̑ͥ͢ḑ͉̬̼̠͕͒̉̏̀ ̻͖͎͚ͩ̄ͨ̇́ͅi̲̩̖͕͆̑ͮ̿ͦ̽̀͜͝f̎͊͟͏̜̫͙̼̗̳͎͇͖ ̵̻̲̞̣̤̄ͭ̅ͫ̒̋̔ͮ͠͞s̷̵̲̝͂͆̓ͫ̊h̒̋̔͛̎ͤͧͯ̚҉͕̰͉̼̬̘ė̩͍̰͉͋̿̀̊̀͟ ̧̻̓͋̔ͦ̀̅̄̈d̝̬̾ȉ̛̲͉͈̃̄ḑ̵̫͖̟͙̗̻͚̃̓̋̌̈́ͥ̂͜ñ̡̝̦̳̜͓̯̳̆ͯ͗̊̃̊ͭ͜'̴̬̲͂ṯ̴̢̭̘̠̼͎̺̂̒ ̸̡͇̬̞͎̟ͣ̐ͬ̀ͨ͘r̡̒ͭ͏̢͚͎̗̪ͅe͔̖͔̫̫̭̫̐̆͆͐a̧̞̙̫͎ͬͩͨ͆ͦ͗l̩͕͙̬͓͖̭̎̈͢ͅl̴̹̺͖̮̤̥̄̅̀̃ͬ̌̒ͤy̷͉̻̋ͭ̆ ͉̯̱̦̬̟̗ͮ̾̿͛͠d̴̊̉͂͏̱̭̦͈͡r̻̪̗̮̟̗̼͋ͤ̀ͩ̿ͯ̈́̇͠a̢͉̭̲ͧ̌̏̓ͮ̿ͫͧ̒ẅ̳̟̫̹̃ͪ͜ ̛ͫͯͣͤ̐҉̳͙͉̺̱̠͔͖͠a̷͉̬͛ͩͪnͧͤ͌ͧͧ̿͏͙̙̦̠͉̘̖y̢̫̼̪͈̹̑͊͒͆ ̷̻̖̘͓̯̬͕̠̉ͮ̃͗c̨̰͓̬̼ͭ̔ͮ̌̀ǒ̞̹̫̫͓͒ͦ͋̂̎͛͞͝ṇ̳͉̹̟̮̺̰̗̔̽̎c̴͍̝̽ͣl͓̱̣͖̠̩͗̍̒ͮ̑ͩu̧̽͋͡҉̣̰̗̪̳̙̯s̴̗̩̮͓̓̽͊ḭ̖̯̗̼̼̱͉̆͐̊o̲̮͓̹̬̓̒̀͆ͬ̋̚͞n̍͌ͨ̔̽͢͏̟͖̰̗s̴̟̟̖̲̝͙̓̑̿͛ ̮̰ͤ̆͢f̥͈͑̓̄͊͆ͧ̐͐͞r͍͉͈̺̱̖̳ͦ͊̎͗͜o̧̰͍̪͓̖̒̍m̵̖̏̈́͌̕͘ ̰̳̣̠̙̬͙̳̈̓̒ͦ͘͢i̙̗̱̙͈̙̖̋̓ͪ̚t͙̰̥͔̰͆ͣ͛̌̚̕͠.̯͔͍͈͍ͣ̽͑̂̓͗͢͡ͅ ͖͚̜͍͇͈̝͔̓͋ͅḢ̴̨̦͇̓̐̚̕e̟̙̦̟ͦ̄̒͜r̴̶͕̖̞̬̥̣͋̀ͥ̊̋̊͒̚ ̰̗̤͑̔̽̈́͡r̵̟̖̙͈̗͛ͮ̏̎ͮ̂́͟e͙̺̯̟̦͇̮̥̝̓ͪͬ̓̂͡͝ą̶̴̙̺̣͚̙͙̳ͮ̋̄̎̚ḑ̶̗͎̘̤͂̍̈́̆ͧ̿̄̀́ ̅̀̄ͤ҉̪͇̪͜a̴̺͎̐ͤ͞l̨̧̨͓̯̫͙̳̗̟͒ͣ͂̂ṣ͕̟̰̾̍ͯo͔ͨͣ̋͐̆̍ͯ̎ͪ ̳̯̘̯̩̱̋ͪd̢̥͖̣̗͉̝̼̥͍͑͞ǒ̟̘͔̘̣͗͒̐͟ḙ̸͓͇͔̲͙̝͎̤̎ͩͯ͌̄͒ͤͮ͝s̗͕̫̺͙̰̘ͭ͌́ͮ́n̨̤̳̗ͩͨ̕͡'̷̱̪̹̈́͊͘ṱ̸̵̛͖̰̭̙̫̰̭͇ͤ͌ ͈̜̲ͥ͒̅ͣs̸̵̠̥ͣ̆ͮͭ̎̋̇ͤȩ̻̻̫̟͇̈̃ͣͪ͜ͅe̸̻̠̣̻̗ͩ̇͗̕ͅm̷͈̙̘̰͓͛͊̄͞ ͍̳̩̙̙̦̾͠t̸̪͎̱͂̇̍̽͊ͥ͘͝ͅȯ͚͉̰̃́ ͕͚̙̬̱͕̼̰͌͌̄̋ͪͩ̆b̧͔͇̤̫͎͖͕̰̉̓͋ͥ̈́̍ẹ̸̫͈͕̪̺͚̎̽͑̓́ ͕͓̭͚͉̰̝̒ͨͫb͇͚̄̃ͬ͐ͭ͠ả҉̬͔̀̕s̮̠͈̗̯̼̳͐̓ͦ̆e̢̜̫ͭ̈́̎͗d̋͗͑̀̂̉҉͏̵̻̙̖͉̖̣ ͕̹̝ͨ͌ͫ̾̒ǒ͍͓̥͕̬̞͔̦̓̚̕n̫͕̟̮̞͗ͫ̄͢ ̯̠̮̠̬̗̝̓ͪ͂́ͦ̄f̸̠̲̘̫ͬͯ̆͌̄̏͜a̛͇͈͓̦̩ͣ̍ͯr͈ͯ̑̀͑ͪͪͫͥs̨̧̮ͭͣį̭̫̾ͪ̓͗͆ͧͧ̌̀͟d̸̬͍̘̹ͩ͛̂̏̿ͮ̆ͅe̷ͨͮͦ̿͏̰̝̣̞̻̻ͅ'̴͕͚͈̥̘͎̒͒̚͠s̨͇̰͚̺̱̻̩̤̍̾ͪͫ̒͒͡ ̸̦̩̲͚̾͂ͭ̓̎̏m̖͖̗͗̾ͥ̒ͅo̬͍̩͐ͯ̃ͭ̍̅t̪̪̲̼̎̌͝ͅi̶͚̦̹̙̘̖͒ͪ͒͑͟v̨̫̣̱̘͙̐͛̎̅̆ͣ͒̓͝a̬̐ͮ͑̃̒͂̚͞ͅt̢̗̺̗͈̺͖̠̖͌̔̏ͧ́̄͑̏͟i̧̱̦̣̣̭͍̜͒̀ͫ̕o̢̱̊͟͠n̸̺̲͎̘̠̠̰̜ͣ͟ͅs͓͖̳͉͌ͭͨ͂̍̕.̷̰̣̳͔̞͋̿ͦ͗̐̐ ̧̦̩̺̪̲̯̣̘ͤ̅ͫ̐ͯͮS̯͎̽͌͌ͣͯ͜h̖̻̜̣͌̿͑̈́͘ḛ̸̟̟̭̝̱̮͂̐͗̀ͅ ͙̲͍̲͇̥͂ͬͦ̕e̟̮̰̘͛ͮ̾͐̎̀̕x̶̱͕̟̫̩̻̹̓ͣ́p̷̰̻̣̹̝͇ͧ͐̿̈͛̚͡l̵̥̪̖̭̝̟̬ͥͣ͗̄͛̾͊̀͟ͅä̺̻͙̠͎̥́̽ͩ͟͢ǐ̢̢̺̩̬̬̞͈̳̃ṉ͔͍̼͗͐̌̿̂̓ͫë̸̩̜̝͖̥̪̙̗́̌̎ͮ́̄ͪ͜d̶͚̳̟͙ͨ͑ͤ͋̋ ̢̨̭̹̟̬͙̽̊̌̌͝w̳̱̜͔͇̩͓ͧ͌̊̓̀h̨̪̳̟̞̀ͅỵ̴̢̹ͦ͆̍ ̫̣̿͌͗͂̂̐̓́͟s̘̤̪͙͖͈̱͂̽͋̋̓̀̚͜h̡̘͎̥͚͈͓ͦ́̐̋ͭͬ̊͝e̸̬͗̉̓͟ ̾ͭ̃͊҉̭̦̥͚̬̭̹ẗ̝̭̪́ͦ͊̂ͣ̃͠h̸̩̰̠̹̋̑ͮ̋̀̉͆̄ȍ̱͙͈̹̪͌͌́̚̚͜u̙͇͍̦̔ͯͥ͑ͩͪͫ̂g̴̰͇̼͇͍̤̜̜͕͐ͧ͘͜h̵̷̤̤̗͙̏̌ͯ̓ͫ͝t̡̫̩͈͕̆̎ͦ͠ͅ ̴͚̳͉͙̹͇̊̂ͯ͂̈͌̅͡I̠̜̘̣͒͐̋͞͠n͓̹̥͓͚̻̠̦͛̆̿f͎̜͔̭̺̻͉ͪͯ̂i͇̭͐ͯ͘͜͞n̡̯͔̟̪͖̩̋̂̌̂̇̕i̩̰̬̱̊ͫ͋͋̄̚t̡̛̯̳̻͖̝̞̪͎̖̔ͭy̭̙̔̀ͭ-̶̦̗͓̺̥̰̓̎ͅͅs̶̯͔̞͚ͣ͗̋̇͢c̶̼̬͎̥̣̩̖̲̼͂̿͑͆̎̽̚u̵̪̟ͥͭ̊ͫͨ̕ͅm̸̹͚̻̘̯̪̲̀ͭͨͤ̆ ̷̡͍̘̥͚̱̬͓̟ͨm̭̥̯̮͓̣̬ͩ̂ͅi̤̰̯̜͎͎ͫ́̈́͊ͬͯ͘g̳͖͎͍̯͚͕ͬ̃̍̂͂h̡̫̻̍̌ͤ͌ͩ́̊̚t̴̤͊̌̐ͨ ̧̙̪̙̘̞ͬ̽̚͢b̒̅͑ͪ̃ͥ҉̡̧̮̭̳͔̟̫̗̤͉u̷̯͕̠ͬ͌̽y̢̜̟͉̲̙ͫ̃̈̒͗ ͚͕͇̱̟͐̔̚͟i̯̙͎̥ͣn̷͕̻̺͙̺̬̋̓̑͂͂̚t̴̟͎ͩͯ̍ơ̫̹̌͒́͜ ̨̠̘̫̗ͪ͒ͪͧ͆ͥ͑̉̾W̷̭̭̞̠̘̼̮͔ͦ̅̉̌ͫͥ͑̚̚i̖̣̼̗͍̠͇͕̅̓s͕̾ͨ̉̿̽͘d̖͕͇ͤͨ̍ͩ̅̇̃͗͛ǒ͖̙́͘m̐̀̉͗̓ͨ̏ͤ͏̖͎-̵͛ͬ͗͏̜̼̫̯́ͅͅͅţ̗̥͈̜̎ͧ̏͆̌͑ó̷̺̰̄̏̀ͯ͞w͓͙̓̀n̢̜͕̪̠̠̩̦̥̿̍ͫ̌ͦ̉̍'̵ͩ̈́͘҉̤̙̮̞̘͔̠ṡ̵̗̮̟̩͒ͥ͆̉̒ͣ̿ ̷̞͕̦͍̻̳͐̊̄̆̂̂ͅr̶̮͙͖̲͖̠̙̅ͪ͛ͮ̊̐̑̚̕͟ͅe͔̳͂̽́ä̧̫̳̬̞͎̞̥̞́͋̈͑͛͋ͫ̔s̮͉̣͕̦̳̜̅̽̿ͧ̍̾̏͂ͦ͢͜͝oͯ̇̏ͤͧͧ͐҉̖̳̥̖̤n̡̠͚̰̞̺͆̅ͯ̾̎̈́i̥̩̬̻̜̖̪̩̗ͬ̓͆ͥn̷͉̭̙̱̺͔͈͗̄̀g̴̾ͧ̀̈͗̕҉̗̯ 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̵̡̨̯̤̣͚̞͔̱͔ͥ̋͑͆̊ͣ͋ͤ͆f̡̺͍̑̔ͫͮͦ̕ä̵̠̩̪̀ṟ̴̯̭͉̅ͯͤ̅ͦͭ̓̑͊͝s̊͊ͧͨ҉̼̻̫̫̳͚̤̰̦͞ĩ̟̹̬͇͇͗ͩͦ͝dͮ́͛҉̸̛̹̣̰̥̤ͅe̶̜̺̼͖̩ͬ̉͐̀̚͝ͅ ̸̤̪̺̖͉̓ͮ̋(͕̳̈̇͌̕ẉ̢̺̖͉̙ͤ̃̐͠hͭ͗͑ͤͤͫ̓͏̬͘͠ͅi̴̢̢͓̯͇͍̦̝̞͗̇̂ͅͅç̮̩̦̥͕̞̯͙͚̌̋ͫ̌̒̂͆̚h̡̡͓͚̎̎ ̵̧̫̼̻̜͈̬̣̜̇ͫ̏̚͢d̢͌̉̇҉̺̞ở̰͚̞̈͆e̜̖͚̗͍̐̄̄͠s͋ͭ͑ͤ̊̂̃͞͞͏͖͕̣̪̠̳̫n̙̪͖̗̑͛͟'͈̝͚̯͕̫͛̅t̹͚͓̰̚ ̯͔̓͑̋͒h̵̯̰̬̓ͥ͌̀ͭ͋̄ͩ͝͠a̹̠͛̆̇ͭ̐̇̀̌̐́v̶̴̖͖ͯ͌̽ë̛͕̬̬͔̲͉͉̓́͠ ͙̤̞̣̑͑͌̏͒ͫ̃a̖̼̾ͩ͛ͧ̓ͫ͑͋̆̕͠n͙͖͕̋̽̐̐͊̓ͪͤ̐y̧͔̲ͪ̊ͨ͆̿͊͟͠t͍͚̲̑̽̀̌ͮ̇h̶̳͇̝͖ͯͮ̀̌͑͒͐ͬ͟i̛͖̤͕̙̫̙̖͕̤̍͌͒ͭͦ̍́̈͆͘n͎̞̿̆g̸̬͕̗̩͎̖͔̫̍̾̎ͮͭ̇͜ ̴̗̫͈̬̼͖ͬ͌̐̾ͩ̅͝ṯ̨͖̜̰̝̲̱̠ͥ̾̊ͥ͂ȏ͔͖͍̜̰̲̼̲̾ͦͥ̍̕ ̴̠̹͌ͨ̉̾̓͋͝ͅd̢͖̹͖̞̫͎̈ͧͥ̓͒̒̚o̥̫̱̗͆̒ͭ͑͑̓͝ ̴͚͎̲͔̘̜̝ͭ̓̽̐̔͐̚͠ͅw̸̨̤̘̳̹͈̣̟͔͕ͫͬ̃̓͞i̵̢̹̺̭ͥͤ̐̒̂̿̆̀ͧt̴̼͚̦͗͐ͭ̂h̤̫̣̍̅͋ͧͧ̕ ̷̫͓̈ͫ̇̒̈ͭ͗ͪ͡f̀͏͇̣̼á̱̦͒ͣ͛͡͡r̶̳̙̫͕̜̦̝̱̳͗̄̔̌ͪ͢͠ş̊ͤ͋͗ͯ̅ͦ̓ͬ͏̯̯i̫̤̜̹͓̩͆͑͗ͯ͑͗́͜d̤̮ͨ͊ͫ̌ͣͦẻ̹̈́͑̄̋̑͆̄'̶̠̫͂̀s͋̌ͨ̀͒͌́͏̞̻̼̫̯̻̻͝ ̓͒̈́́҉̤̖͚̘͇m̯̻̮͉̘̓̐̉͑̀͗͌̽͠o̡̨̙̺͉̲̳̱̯ͣ̄̐ͮ̐͗ͤ͆͞t̖̦̩̘͔̫̻ͮͫ̋͂̐̕͞i̸̧̬͍͕̥̜̭ͮ̆͞v̡̖̯̑ͬ̋͞ắ̠͇̯̝̬̀̏́̏̾͂t͖̪͕̠͊ͭ̆̆͊̑͆i̹̯̓̂̄ͭ̈́̈ͮ͌͆͡ô̡͔̰̎ͩ̉̆̓͢͞n̛͉̦̦̲̽͌̅͛ͧ)͙̬̱̝͓͕̗͊̄ͪͦ͆ͨ ͈̗͔̯̻̠͇͕͐ͧ͘͠a͉̱͈̳̘ͧ̓͢n̶̡̟̰͔̣͇͉ͭ̕d̵͔͖̠͈̮̙̈́̾̂̌̾ͮ͒͠ ̨̭̩͈͖̦̜̓ͨͅm̛̔̑ͨ͏͎̳̺̰̺͍́a̵̲̻̋̆͋̆̐ÿ͎͎ͮ̄ͭ̀ͥb̶̮̳̞͙̃̕ȩ̴͎̫͕͉̱̘̬̅͛ͫͨ͝ ̸̺͚̭̇̾̉ͦa̰̫̳̤̞̤͇͚͙ͦͤ̃̆͐͐ͪ͑͌ ͕̯͙̟̋̍͠͡c̜̯̞̥͎̐͂̏̆͢͢o̧̩̣ͤ̈̉̚͜u̵͉͖͉̻͑͑ͪ͊̄̈ͤp̶̂ͪ͋҉̫͍͍̳̹̹l̢̬̖̖̤͇͆́e̬̤̅͋̑͒̄̕ ̲̟̯̭̘͂͛̌͛͊t͉̮̗̞̞̬̜̯̓̃̈́̊̆ͭͧ̐h̸̢͚̩͉̘̙̟̣̦͌̏̽̐͆ͧͣͅi̸̠̼̼̮̪̤͎̤ͨ͗̽́n̔̍̋͑ͤ̉̊̚͏̧̣̘̥g̢̧̻̩͍̙̹̀̓͗͐̕s̻̯̱̯̹̒ͧͦͬ͊͒́̀̂͟ ̮̼̰̻̘̗̼͛̒͋͟s̢͓̩̗͎͍̩̥̞ͮ̊̉̚h̷̝̞̻͉͓͈̰̜͇͋̃͛ͭ͋͑ͭ̏͟e̵̛̳̩̳͔͓ͪ̈́̈̀̈͌̃͂ ͎̮̜̤ͦͭ̇͗́͞ͅc̦̣̞̒͛ͨ́̔̃̃͠o͕͚̊̉͗m̻̫̠̯̥̱̠̻̿͊̅ͭͯͤm̸͙̮̲̺͉̭͖͉̃ͣ͐́ͧͩ̎͂̀͠e̜͕͔̬ͥ̒̍̈̒͜nͬ̋҉̩̺̙̼̼t͓̞ͤ̄̑̂ͭ̀̀͜͠e̛͇̗͖̩̮͍̐̋͞d̬̘͈̥̦̫͉͙̃̋͛̒́̕͡ ̧̩̓̆͌̏̇͡ȏ̠̻̰̭̜̭ͤͮ͋n̦̫ͪ̉͐ͩ͂̿ͦͯͤ,̵̢̰̝̂̑ ̿̐̓ͯͯ͗̄̚҉̧̙̫̯̞͇͘s̢̹̲̠̝̯̋̅͊͐͘o̭͑̈́͗͐͡ ̢͕͖̥͓̹͆̾͜Ĭ̸̲͎̝͕̗̀'̦̣̤͋̀͛ͫ̐ͭ̆̂́m̺̯ͨ̈͢ ͎̮͚͈̰͑͒̂̋̃ͣ͛ṉ̪͇̼͈͈̝͓̓ͫo̖̱͚̅̊̔̉̉͛̓͘ţ͕̦̮̫̦ͣ̊̓ͩ͌̏̎ ̪͓̞̫͇̥͛̈́ͪ͡ͅs̷̘̣̰̙̘̜̍̏̈́ủ̓̅҉̢͍̼̦̟̲̪́r̻̖̺̜ͮ̐̅ͬͦ̒e̓ͧ͋̅͟͏̼̟̱͓̤͈̦ ͓̝̯͓̜͚̪͉̈̇̃ͭͣ͆ͅỹ̸̦̬̳͉̑ͣo̙̙͎̠͖͙ͦ̊͌̆͆́u͓͉͇̗͎̎̃͗̑̑̅͜͜'̜̖ͨͩ̚r̥̖̉̆̆ͫ̕͝e̙̊ͦͩ̾ ̴̺̱̗̳̺̖̲̙͒̓̈́̑ͭi̵̭͉̹ͥͬ̀ͥ̚͢n̡̨͇͉͖͊̉̎ͬͮ͊ͧͤ͋t͓̠͈̫̑̀͊̉͘͜e͉̠̺ͨ̌ͯ͊͂̊̈́ŕ̒̏̓̔̓ͭ̋͜҉̙̙̫̗̱͙p͎͉̲̈́͑͂̈́̽͌ͦ̚͞ͅr̼̒ͣ͐͊̔͐̒ͩ́e̺͓͕͗̂̎ͪ͟͞͠ť̢͓̐̐̆̾ͦ͌i͉ͣ͆̌̾͒͡n̷̴͕̜̖̤̦͈͆ͭͤ̓̄͋̿g͖͓ͦ̏ͅ ̱̫̣̟̰̥̌̅̏̒͊̆͠t̪̥ͫ̏̂͟ĥ͘҉̡̭͇͕͖̱͚ą̷̹̪̟̬̹͔͚͍̺ͣͪ̕t͓̺̫̺̰̩̻̠͍ͥ̌̆̑̇̈̑͐́̕ ̽ͫ͗̓ͯ͐҉҉͙̟̪̺͎͙r̸̢̖̜ͮ̃̑͐ͨͫ̔͜ͅį̴̥̻̲̯̓̏͑̑g̴̨͕̲̳̹͓ͧ̋ḣ̰̫̤̩̗̣̮ͩ͗́t̲̳̯̹̒͑̉̐͘ 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peregrine i already apologized for that post being too long
please stop being mean to me :(
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Post Post #259 (isolation #51) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:51 am

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In post 251, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 190, Infinity 324 wrote:It's not really the read I have an issue with, it's your argument. You're trying to argue that wisdom's reason for calling me town is scummy, because you think it's unlikely he would believe that as town, correct? If not I don't get what you're trying to accomplish here
what?
and to expand on this a little bit, your argument here is that "I disagree with your argument, I think it's bullshit" is a weird approach to have as town in a game which is weird because exactly the approach you're taking with kraska right now.
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Post Post #260 (isolation #52) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:51 am

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In post 258, kraska77 wrote:lol...pere u should post more always
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I agree!
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Post Post #261 (isolation #53) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:53 am

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In post 259, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 251, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 190, Infinity 324 wrote:It's not really the read I have an issue with, it's your argument. You're trying to argue that wisdom's reason for calling me town is scummy, because you think it's unlikely he would believe that as town, correct? If not I don't get what you're trying to accomplish here
what?
and to expand on this a little bit, your argument here is that "I disagree with your argument, I think it's bullshit" is a weird approach to have as town in a game which is weird because exactly the approach you're taking with kraska right now.
It's especially weird because you've had a habit this game of questioning stuff (presumably a bunch of stuff you find odd) that you just got done doing or is extremely similar to something that you've just done. I don't mind hypocrisy in mafia (it happens plenty), but finding things odd when they're things that you're doing doesn't really make sense to me.
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Post Post #265 (isolation #54) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:56 am

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In post 193, Kagami wrote:I think scum-wisdom would have pursued you more after the tryhard push.
That's about what I thought your reasoning was.
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Post Post #267 (isolation #55) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:58 am

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In post 264, Infinity 324 wrote:it's not scumhunting either and not really necessary imo when no one was scumreading him for it
I disagree strongly with the first part, have no idea what you're saying with the "it wasn't necessary" part.
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Post Post #273 (isolation #56) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:06 am

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In post 264, Infinity 324 wrote:Anyway the main reason I brought it up was because after a certain point you seemed to be arguing that his reason was wrong instead of wondering whether it was genuine. I guess that's mainly my issue here.
This is typically my playstyle; challenge things that I find questionable, analyze reactions. Just because I'm not openly wondering in thread about whether someone looks genuine or not doesn't mean that's not what I'm looking for; not only is adding "I'm asking this because your reasoning seems iffy and I'm wondering if it comes from a genuine place or not" to the end of every post I make tedious as all hell, it lets people know what I'm reading for most (am I looking for the response to look genuine? am I looking for their reasoning to make sense? am I looking for both?).
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Post Post #274 (isolation #57) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:06 am

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In post 271, Infinity 324 wrote:Ok. Explain these.
you said "correct me if I'm wrong". you were wrong. he corrected you.
what exactly are you criticizing here?
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Post Post #276 (isolation #58) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:09 am

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In post 272, Wisdom wrote:
In post 269, Infinity 324 wrote:The way I see it, he was defending himself from kraska, who had no read on him.

Doesn't seem particularly productive to me.
no, kraska stated that she thought my post re:you was scummy, and further she defended Wraith on the matter.
You think it's not important trying to understand why someone is defending my scumread, or trying to understand why she found my post scummy?
are we talking about or something else?
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Post Post #280 (isolation #59) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:12 am

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In post 197, kraska77 wrote:let me guess.. me?
why did you think Kagami was scumreading you?
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Post Post #282 (isolation #60) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:14 am

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In post 277, Infinity 324 wrote:I don't see how you were trying to understand why she found your post scummy/sorting her in the process.
didn't like this reasoning when you used it against me, don't like the sequel.
why'd you unvote?
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Post Post #283 (isolation #61) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:15 am

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In post 202, Kagami wrote:I doubt two scummos jumped on you with such silly reasoning, wisdom.

My current frontrunners are actually Shadow and Leon. I'm surprised by the diversity.
I'm not.
Did you explicitly disagree with any of the names tossed out?
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Post Post #284 (isolation #62) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:16 am

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well aside from my guess, i thought you were still stuck on what you were looking at earlier
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Post Post #286 (isolation #63) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:17 am

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In post 207, Infinity 324 wrote:I just ISO'd wisdom and he's done quite a bit of not a lot. I'd like to see more questioning from you I guess wisdom
well this shows that he's held the "wisdom is a fluffposter!" thought for a while
still don't know where it comes from
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Post Post #287 (isolation #64) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:17 am

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In post 285, Infinity 324 wrote:re: the unvote, it was a combination of not being sure that the off-topic-ish things are scummy and liking wisdom's reaction
what about wisdom's reaction did you like?
you don't see the point we're making about those posts that you pointed out not being off-topic at all?
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Post Post #289 (isolation #65) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:22 am

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In post 210, Kagami wrote:Shadow's opening post looks motivated by "being safe." The initial part of his rule-of-three is reasonable, but I don't like the wisdom bit and the final part also feels limp-wristed to me, as if the point were to mention an buddy in a negative light.

I also think the townreads on infinity aren't terribly well justified, and am suspicious that three players have it. I would guess that exactly one infinity-defender is scum regardless of his alignment.
What didn't you like about the wisdom bit?
I agree that the townreads on infinity are kind of lame, disagree that one has to be scum - any particular reason for thinking that one is scum as opposed to three silly townies?
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Post Post #293 (isolation #66) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:25 am

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In post 292, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 288, Wisdom wrote:i dont know why youve come to expect questioning from me
wasnt i a lot less transparent in true love?
Uh, I don't remember. But you were different. More aggressive, I guess.
Now this is something I can understand. The fluff thing is bullshit, but I did think that he seemed a bit more laid-back earlier in the game (although concerns are mostly dissipated now).
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Post Post #294 (isolation #67) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:27 am

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In post 218, Wraith wrote:
In post 184, kraska77 wrote:it could still mean that he doesnt find your reasoning convincing enough to think that was a genuine progression
idk wraith come explain that post of urs pls

pedit: wahat
This

I liked Infinity for town-lean early but as time goes on I like him less.

I like Kraska for town but find her scumread on Kagami strange.

Kagami still strongest townread.

PeregrineV townread.

Biggest scum leans are farside and Wisdom but they aren't particularly strong at this point.
Why do you think kraska is town?
I don't really disagree with you but most of my reasoning centers around that strange Kagami scumread.
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Post Post #295 (isolation #68) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:28 am

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In post 218, Wraith wrote:
In post 184, kraska77 wrote:it could still mean that he doesnt find your reasoning convincing enough to think that was a genuine progression
idk wraith come explain that post of urs pls

pedit: wahat
This
also not really buying this, especially considering you said that you disliked the 180 specifically and didn't make a peep about his reasoning
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Post Post #298 (isolation #69) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:31 am

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Cakez, are you feeling okay?
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Post Post #299 (isolation #70) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:31 am

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In post 221, Wraith wrote:This rubs me wrong too.
Why?
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Post Post #303 (isolation #71) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:38 am

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In post 297, SirCakez wrote:With these being two prime examples of clearly showing a scumread on infinity, yet leaving his vote on his RVS target. Looked like scum wanting to get a wagon going, but then when it didn't pull together backing off to fit in with the general opinion.
were you bothered by the other two people on my wagon who also weren't scumreading me and yet were still voting me?
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Post Post #304 (isolation #72) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:38 am

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In post 302, Kagami wrote:yep
^^
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Post Post #306 (isolation #73) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:41 am

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Vote: Wraith


I haven't liked his pushes on Wisdom/Infinity, and I haven't liked how underwhelming and lame his posts have seemed in between. I didn't like him agreeing with kraska's interpretation of his vote on Wisdom; that's now how it came across initially at all and I think he agreed with it to make the initial vote look better.
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Post Post #309 (isolation #74) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:45 am

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Still don't have a read on Infinity which is sort of worrying. I like his "I think we're just misunderstanding each other/I need to sleep so my playstyle meshes better/I'm playing badly I'll step it up!!" post and I kind of like how he doesn't back off from the Wisdom-fluffposting line despite being pretty obviously wrong about it but I don't like what he's questioning so far and I don't like how it felt like he slithered away from me/Wisdom when we were in the middle of questioning him, felt more like appeasing as opposed to an actual change of thought and he didn't really stand behind his read on the fluffposting thing which is sort of weird to me.

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Post Post #311 (isolation #75) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:46 am

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In post 307, SirCakez wrote:100%
god damn it cakez. you were supposed to say "yeah, why?".
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Post Post #312 (isolation #76) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:47 am

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and i was going to say "because it's page 13 and you're still not pushing a ridiculous case on me yet!" and then everyone would have had a good laugh but you ruined everything.
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Post Post #316 (isolation #77) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:52 am

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In post 307, SirCakez wrote:There's no way town you would think that both people voting you are scum together.
In post 307, SirCakez wrote:I highly disagree.
Why?
In post 307, SirCakez wrote:There's no way town you would think that both people voting you are scum together.
I don't agree with this at all.
1) Two scum voting together is not unlikely enough where town having the thought is unreasonable. 2) I don't think that Wisdom necessarily was thinking of who they were voting because I sure as hell didn't; my early uneasyness with you is mostly due to you seeming underwhelming compared to usualCakez, didn't really factor in your vote on Wisdom into that read.
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Post Post #317 (isolation #78) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:54 am

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In post 313, SirCakez wrote:P-edit: I'm terrified to push you after our last two games together lol
well, this is reassuring.
by the way, I'm sorry for going off on you in Real Folks Blues as much as I did - I was very very frustrated with another game at the time and I think that a bit of my frustration over there bled over to Real Folks Blues and I'm sorry for that; I do think that your push on me there was pretty silly but typically it wouldn't piss me off in the way that it did and if you do end up misreading me here I promise not to be as much of an ass this time around although I will probably make fun of you a lot.
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Post Post #318 (isolation #79) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:55 am

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what are your hot takes on people not named Wisdom or Infinity?
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Post Post #320 (isolation #80) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:59 am

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fair enough.
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Post Post #323 (isolation #81) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 11:25 am

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In post 321, SirCakez wrote:tentatively leaning town on you
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Post Post #342 (isolation #82) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:17 pm

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In post 331, farside22 wrote:My wraith scum read just increased 10 fold.
what in particular tipped the scales for you?
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Post Post #343 (isolation #83) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:18 pm

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In post 337, farside22 wrote:He is very shallow with reads as scum.
he's also shallow as town!
but i'll stop being mean now
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Post Post #419 (isolation #84) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:14 pm

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In post 418, Tammy wrote:The fact that I'm getting town reads makes me so happy because it means I'm trusting again.
i'm quoting this for everyone else
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Post Post #421 (isolation #85) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:26 pm

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no i'm just pointing out how town that looks for everyone else
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no, it just struck me as cute and extremely genuine - I don't think that it's the type of thing that you would randomly come up with as scum and it made me really glad to see that you were in a really good place with this game so far.
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Post Post #510 (isolation #87) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 6:45 am

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In post 347, Bulbazak wrote:Nacho are you around? I could just give an initial read dump, but I don't want to, and I just want to try to bounce some stuff off you first.
This is a pretty late response, but I'm around to talk about things now! What were you thinking?
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Post Post #511 (isolation #88) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:42 am

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In post 348, Bulbazak wrote:@Nacho: Give me your thoughts on Wisdom when you can. I'm not sure if I'm looking at 1305 Wisdom here, or if this is the amicable scum Wisdom I've been seeing a lot lately. I'm not sure how much I'm going to be around over the next few days, but I'll try to do my best with anything else you want to talk about.
Wisdom looks fine so far. I agree that he does seem less aggressive than usual, but the game's still young and it's not like Wisdom is completely incapable of being calm as town. I've liked the reads that he's put out, and, for the most part, I agree with his reasons for doing so. I also liked his even though I'm not necessarily sure that it's indicative of him being town. Was there anything that bothered you in particular about him?
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Post Post #522 (isolation #89) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:15 am

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In post 516, Infinity 324 wrote:Must...resist...continuing...dumb...argument
always better to just let it go as opposed to just comment that you're letting it go
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Post Post #525 (isolation #90) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:23 am

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In post 355, Infinity 324 wrote:Don't you think scum!wisdom would've tried to give a better response?
This doesn't seem like the kind of response that is actually going to get people to change their mind's about someone; if you're pointing out something that you find scummy to me and your response is "don't you think that they would have been less bad if they were scum?", you're getting ignored approximately 100% of the time and I don't think that it'd be any different if roles were reversed.
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Post Post #526 (isolation #91) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:23 am

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Farside looks town.
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Post Post #527 (isolation #92) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:24 am

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I think there's some bad communication going on here that I'm not going to sort out right this second but farside looks town.
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Post Post #530 (isolation #93) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:26 am

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In post 358, SirCakez wrote:I think scum!wisdom tries to play more friendly and less aggressive in this playerlist.
Why? Who in the playerlist is he playing around that would expect him to play more friendly? Who do you think it would help him to be "friendlier" to? I think that you're making an assertion about his meta that you can't back up. Please stop, take a step back, don't let all of the other reads that you have wander into the abyss just because this scumread exists.
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Post Post #533 (isolation #94) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:28 am

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In post 528, Tammy wrote:
In post 527, Nachomamma8 wrote:I think there's some bad communication going on here that I'm not going to sort out right this second but farside looks town.

Why in gods name do you think that?

Does she always make such terrible arguments and posture and talk down to people? I've not experienced that at all.
She doesn't always talk down to people, but she does get frustrated/angry and sometimes that makes people more unpleasant than they are typically.
I don't think that it's directed towards you.
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Post Post #534 (isolation #95) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:29 am

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In post 360, SirCakez wrote:i find it disturbing you never answered the question legitimately
The question that you're looking for an answer to is "why are you playing differently this game", correct? Why is it scummy to play differently if he's shown he can be aggressive as town as well?
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Post Post #537 (isolation #96) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:34 am

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In post 364, Infinity 324 wrote:Maybe I'm colored by my frustration but this is shitty.

He just refuses to consider town motivation for changing meta and also refuses to consider the disadvantages of playing so obviously differently as scum when multiple people in the game have played with him before.
Frustration with Cakez's argument specifically, right?
I agree that it's a silly argument in general, but I don't think it's exactly out of range of his town game. It is for reasons like this why I'd like him to focus on other reads; I think he's stubborn letting go of reads sometimes and whenever he's tunneling he's not as good of a player as when he's not.
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Post Post #538 (isolation #97) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:35 am

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In post 366, Infinity 324 wrote:Not to mention coming in with a single scumread and making little effort to sort anyone else is shitty play from town and more likely to come from scum.
You'd think, but...
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Post Post #540 (isolation #98) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:42 am

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In post 372, Infinity 324 wrote:I love it when people refuse to look beyond the surface but I can't read them as scum for it because town do that too.

Think. Maybe scum!farside wouldn't say something that would be disproved so easily? Maybe her issue is bigger than "I didn't see that you said why you're read changed therefore you're scum"?
This is the same thing that you were doing before.... You're arguing that Wraith is only looking skin deep because he's pushing farside too hard for saying something silly and yet you're pushing Cakez for saying something silly at the exact same time.
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Post Post #541 (isolation #99) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:43 am

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In post 539, Infinity 324 wrote:
Farside, I'd be happy to answer questions of yours that aren't loaded and haven't been answered in my posts already. It's just not going to get us anywhere rehashing the same points over and over.


I think there's ammo that farside could've used against me that she didn't and it's weirding me out. I won't say what it is just yet, but I will say that it makes her more likely to be town since the most likely scenario is that she doesn't consider it ammo. Whereas a scum tunneler would use everything and anything to justify their case.
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Post Post #543 (isolation #100) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:45 am

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In post 542, Infinity 324 wrote:Maybe, they are very different cases though and my issue on cakez was a little more nuanced than that.
Could you explain the nuance a little better for me?
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Post Post #547 (isolation #101) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:55 am

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In post 544, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 543, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 542, Infinity 324 wrote:Maybe, they are very different cases though and my issue on cakez was a little more nuanced than that.
Could you explain the nuance a little better for me?
The combination of the shallow read, the lack of questioning on wisdom, and the initial focus solely on wisdom are what led to my scumread. I'd have to look at farside's thing but iirc it was a lot more trivial than that.
Your memory is good, it was.
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Post Post #550 (isolation #102) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:06 am

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I know! I forgot my semicolon!
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Post Post #551 (isolation #103) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:10 am

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In post 406, Tammy wrote:What I don't think is silly is his concerns about Wisdom not being aggressive and whether or not the meta change means scum. I've seen aggressive and subdued Wisdom as scum though so I don't think that the change definitely means he's scum as I can think of a few town reasons for someone to change their approach, and there's no reason for him not to be aggressive in this situation as it would be what a good many of us would expect.

I was a bit weirded out by him not posting his quote stripes when he first entered though, but I don't put a whole lot of stock in arguments that he didn't explain a scum read because he couldn't at that time.
Cakez starting out with a reasonable point and then letting it get completely out of hand is pretty much what happened in Real Folks Blues and it's what I'm afraid of it happening here.

What usually happens (at least with me) is people see something that bothers them and then when they make the actual wall they end up finding more to talk about. I don't think that it's particularly alignment indicative; I agree that he probably had at least a reason in mind when he made that vote, though.
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Post Post #554 (isolation #104) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:21 am

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In post 406, Tammy wrote:Nacho - Not sure what to think about Infinity yet. I don't thing the early town reads due to him continuing on his "tryhard" style in the face of being called out by wisdom all that strong when he didn't even realize he was being called out. There are a few posts that I like. I like him being like I'm playing shitty right now because I haven't slept and it's day one where I struggle because I empathize with that type of sentiment. I don't know if you read the maze prerestart, but early game infinity scum was tryhardy and a bit nitpicky. He did interact and distance with his partner quite a bit, and then he jumped off of his partner to scum read me mostly because my opening post was forced. Anyway our interaction felt a little odd, and I felt like he had an agenda. It wasn't even close to conclusive and I'm bummed we restarted because now I don't know if I'd have gotten that read right. But this is a lot of words to say some of his posts don't give me that same feel. From that game I do think he has a bit of a nitpicky type of scum game (maybe?) and I don't get the sense that he'd change his approach just because someone mentioned it, especially when he just didn't notice it. Some of his posts feel sticky, but then some feel fluid and I like those.
This is probably my same read; I think there are a lot of nitpicky posts/posts I disagree with/posts that bother me but a lot of the posts he makes on how he feels on gamestate and a lot of the point he makes as an aside looks town and those aren't posts that he's been making as scum. I also like the way that he kind of feels like he's lost, like he's pushing a lot of different angles and backing down from them pretty easily; I'd his scum play to be more straightforward as in laying down a plan and following it, especially based on his responses about farside looking town because her initial push was "too sloppy" or Wisdom's response being town because he "could have given a better response if scum".
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Post Post #555 (isolation #105) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:24 am

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In post 406, Tammy wrote:Kraska is most likely just town. I also think that Nacho and I are finally town together again (RIGHT NOW :p). Other town reads on Pere and Kagami. (I do feel weird with such a decent town read on Pere so early. Sometimes day one I lean town, but don't feel this decent. The last time I did, he was an SK so every time I get a good read on Pere early I think he might be an SK and it freaks me out, but I don't think there's an SK this game, so I just think I have a weird early decent town read on Pere.)
I was going to mention that I was starting get get paranoid on him because he hasn't been around until I remember that he said he wouldn't be around on weekends >.>

I agree that kraska feels town but I still would like for her to flesh out what she was thinking about Kagami a little more and starts pushing for things a little more aggressively; she's definitely capable of it (as I've found while looking over games that Giga linked to me) while as scum she's definitely more likely to keep her head in the sand for a while.
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Post Post #556 (isolation #106) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:41 am

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In post 424, Wraith wrote:Firstly, it's somewhat of a good sign to me that both Wisdom and SirCakez both scumread him. It's a little early in the game though to present doubts on that front for fear of WIFOM.
Why were Cakez and Wisdom the two people that you were focused on?
Is the argument that you're making here is that one of those two are likely to be scum and so it's not likely that either would be bussing at this stage or...?

Why did you like ?
I don't think Shadow's activity is indicative of much considering the V/LA.
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Post Post #557 (isolation #107) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:45 am

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Also it's kind of funky how you talk about how semantic arguments are a scumtell to you but then you talk about them like it's just a playstyle you don't like but that's just a minor niggle.
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Post Post #558 (isolation #108) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:50 am

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In post 429, Bulbazak wrote:@Nacho: Why are you ignoring me?
Wasn't intentional; I was distracted when posting yesterday.
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Post Post #559 (isolation #109) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:18 am

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In post 434, Wisdom wrote:wraith's post re:shaddow is weird
You feel like hes going to be forcing a scumread on him when it begins but by the end hes actually doing the "i dont understand why this is being voted" thing
I dont know what to think here
this is a better way to put it yeah

I don't quite have the time to go through Wraith's post right this second, but I will later; some things are questionable (what Wisdom pointed out) but most of it looked fine.
In post 473, farside22 wrote:That's some quick turn around there.
For what it's worth, I agree with this point; I don't really agree that buddying is the scumtell that Infinity made it out to be. I don't think it's as reasonable to expect him to remember whether you had used pre-flip associatives last game you played together or not (not only do I not remember what the last game we played together was, I'm not sure whether you used pre-flip associatives in it or not).

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Post Post #574 (isolation #110) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:21 pm

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In post 560, Bulbazak wrote:Everything within me is screaming that this is Wisdom's scum game. However, Nacho's acting like it isn't, and there are indicators that it could just be Wisdom playing like he did in my very first game on site. I would like to pick Nacho's brain about it, because my gut is telling me that I'm just wanting to believe the best here and that this game is that easy and that we can all be friends. But at the same time, I'm starting to get a sinking feeling, and there's a bit of paranoia now starting to resurface.
I mean I don't deny that I was paranoid of Wisdom earlier because he was laid back. But being laid back doesn't necessarily mean he's scum just like being aggressive doesn't mean that he's town; need a more substantial read than "he's playing different to my usual!".
In post 572, SirCakez wrote:Off the top of my head, you, Tammy, Kagami, and Bulba are all players who the super aggressive tactic wouldn't work on as scum, so he's being forced to go the friendly route
Like Soccer Spirits was a playerlist he could roll over, but not here
Being aggressive doesn't mean that you're trying to roll over a town, it means that you're being active and you're pushing things stubbornly - in other words, all things that the people you noted are expected, meaning the most intuitive thing for Wisdom as scum is... to pretend like he's town. You're saying that being friendly somehow gives him an advantage when playing against stronger players even though he's expected is to be aggressive - what advantage is that, exactly?
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Post Post #607 (isolation #111) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:57 am

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In post 573, farside22 wrote:As I stated prior he said he had an issue with your post 10 which reads as a contradiction to saying he had a young lean early. I think prior to that you made maybe 2 other post. Which is just RVS stuff.
This makes sense if the point is that his read on Infinity didn't really make sense; the only reasons he pointed out for disliking Infinity happened on the first three pages while his later explanation of it was "I liked him early on and then started disliking him later".
In post 583, Kagami wrote:
In post 571, Wraith wrote:I'm at the level of depression right now that I'm probably just going to prodge at best.
If you're town, this is the part of the show where you need to be rereading the thread and making some compelling arguments about why your scumreads are scum. You may not think you can improve on your existing stances (or may be unwilling to), but you're certainly capable of drawing some "if we assume <my_scumread> is scum, then <other_player> is likely scum because of the following interaction: ..." which you should have been thinking about anyway.

Alternatively, you can present a very compelling case about why you are town. While you weren't really my favorite lynch prior to this post, you are now. I remain very open-minded, though. Frankly, farside is probably the only player I really like for "highly probably town."
This seems like an overly harsh approach to "I'm depressed, prod dodging for now".
In post 602, shaddowez wrote:Do you really feel that lack of content (ie fluff) is a bad reason for scum reading somebody? Isn't that a large part of what scum have to do, make stuff up and look busy?
Context around that argument shows that the reason why I disliked his vote was more due to the fact that the fluff he pointed out wasn't actually fluff and the fact that it was a vote made while ignoring Wisdom's body of work. If you're going to vote me for fluff because I'm talking about this new kickass recipe I found the other day when my main body of work is a productive one, then we're going to have problems. If the attack was "he's not scumhunting" or "this looks like scumhunting", fine, but attacking because a small portion of posts aren't 100% relevant is not okay.
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Post Post #608 (isolation #112) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:00 am

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When you have time, interested in hearing where those read changes came from; also, your comment on #214 (I feel this would be detrimental to town if I said the reasons for kraska being town)... I have absolutely no idea what that could entail except for a PR hint and kraska hasn't hinted at any PR.
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Post Post #609 (isolation #113) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:01 am

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In post 606, Wisdom wrote:VOTE: shaddow

Wraith is probably the wrong one in my scumpile if anyone is
This is about where I'm at.

Vote: Leonshade
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Post Post #833 (isolation #114) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:47 am

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Been skimming on mobile during work so am not completely caught up yet but: Grey, why did you propose waiting to lynch Leon to see if there was a vig? I didn't think you were a "let's lynch for information" type because I hate those people and scummy is scummy matter how much they've posted.
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Post Post #834 (isolation #115) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:49 am

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Also if Leon didn't claim a vig shot I'd 100% be lynching him today but if he gets a kill through he's probably tellimg the truth. I very sincerely don't understand why Wisdom shot Bulbazak but that might just be reading failure; I thought Wisdom felt good about Leon/Shadow/Wraith and certainly didn't feel good about Grey and then pew pew Bulbs?
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Post Post #839 (isolation #116) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:54 am

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I'm much more inclined to lynch Shadow over Grey today; I'm not really in love with Grey's entry (I was expecting him to grind Leon into dust for the "why me?" comments but I'm not sure he got a chance to respond to them), but I'd rather give him a day to do more meaningful things since he has more potential to be a force for town then shadow does probably. I don't have a strong scumread on Shadow but I've been meh on his posts and I feel decently enough townreads elsewhere so I'm willing to take a gamble.
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Post Post #840 (isolation #117) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:54 am

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In post 838, Wisdom wrote:
In post 834, Nachomamma8 wrote:I very sincerely don't understand why Wisdom shot Bulbazak but that might just be reading failure;
It was either that or chain of command #2
I only have fond memories.
Me-ffery obvious scum, right?
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Post Post #841 (isolation #118) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:55 am

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Although I don't really trust Leon even if he gets the vig off, but I bet if he is lying he's Xykon with a one-shot vig ability.
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Post Post #844 (isolation #119) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:57 am

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In post 843, Wisdom wrote:
In post 840, Nachomamma8 wrote:I only have fond memories.
Me-ffery obvious scum, right?
That was perpetual mylo
No meant me and fferyllt were obvious scum while you and Bulbazak had the battle of a thousand centuries.
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Post Post #846 (isolation #120) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:58 am

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In post 837, Kagami wrote:but why does scum-wis shoot bulb just as a leon-mislynch is highly possible? Seems like scum-wis implies scum-leon, which is possible, but seems pretty unlikely.
I don't think that Bulba shot would throw off Leon-mislynch momentum all that much. Do you?
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Post Post #862 (isolation #121) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:14 am

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In post 850, Wisdom wrote:Grey is a better lynch than shaddow btw

The vig is not guaranteed to happen while the lynch is, and while shaddow is definitely not surviving to endgame, grey is good enough to survive
I think this reasoning is silly.
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Post Post #865 (isolation #122) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:15 am

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In post 851, Kagami wrote:
In post 846, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 837, Kagami wrote:but why does scum-wis shoot bulb just as a leon-mislynch is highly possible? Seems like scum-wis implies scum-leon, which is possible, but seems pretty unlikely.
I don't think that Bulba shot would throw off Leon-mislynch momentum all that much. Do you?
Could be various reasons, but sounds like a legitimate "I don't know wisdom's flavor" and is consistent with his claimed role.
That's a fine reason against them as scum-scum, but I was wondering why you thought Wisdom killing Bulba would kill momentum on the Leon wagon.
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Post Post #867 (isolation #123) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:17 am

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In post 864, Wisdom wrote:no, whats silly is letting grey live

Who is scum other than shaddow, nacho?
Probably grey. Probably one of Kraska/Cakez. There's enough new information where it would be good to give people time to respond and see if there's scum outside of the sacred three.
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Post Post #868 (isolation #124) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:18 am

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In post 854, GreyICE wrote:@Nacho: I wasn't super impressed by the scumminess of his comments at the time. I literally asked Wisdom to explain it, he responded by being a giant dickhead.

Leon has claimed scum, which is not fueling my desires NOT to lynch. The guess I can give it a day for a vig shot.

@Kagami: you better have an awesome reason for wasting everyone's time like this.

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Did you see Leon's why me post before he claimed scum?

What's the Kagami thing that's wasting everyone's time?
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Post Post #870 (isolation #125) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:18 am

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In post 869, Wisdom wrote:So who would you have leon shoot?
I don't know. I'm not ready to lynch.
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Post Post #871 (isolation #126) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:19 am

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In post 852, Kagami wrote:This makes no sense to me.
Because vig or so you have another reason?
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Post Post #873 (isolation #127) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:20 am

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In post 872, kraska77 wrote:How did I become a scumspect nacho D:
Not sure who #3 is in worlds where Leon is telling the truth. The only reason I'm townreading you now is the push on Kagami early, but it's not like I think that's outside of your range as scum.
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Post Post #877 (isolation #128) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:26 am

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In post 874, Infinity 324 wrote:Let's not get paranoid over each other because of which of our common scumreads we want to lynch first (yeah I know, more hypocrisy)
If you are doing this just to troll me I will be incredibly impressed.
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Post Post #878 (isolation #129) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:27 am

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In post 875, GreyICE wrote:Did you see me change my vote to Leon prior to Wisdom's shot despite how big of a scumbag Wisdom is? Of course it makes sense they're not on the same team.
I didn't remember seeing anything, that's why I asked. I would have taken you reading that post and not moving as a scum claim.
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Post Post #880 (isolation #130) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:28 am

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In post 874, Infinity 324 wrote:Let's not get paranoid over each other because of which of our common scumreads we want to lynch first (yeah I know, more hypocrisy)
Who were you worried about getting paranoid?
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Post Post #881 (isolation #131) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:28 am

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Wisdom, who is your #3 if Leon is lyncher?
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Post Post #886 (isolation #132) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:31 am

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In post 882, Wisdom wrote:
In post 873, Nachomamma8 wrote:Not sure who #3 is in worlds where Leon is telling the truth.
"#3" implies you agree that shaddow and grey are a given and contradicts your stance re:grey
Having two scum suspects doesn't mean I have two members of the scum team.
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Post Post #887 (isolation #133) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:31 am

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In post 885, Wisdom wrote:
In post 881, Nachomamma8 wrote:Wisdom, who is your #3 if Leon is lyncher?
you
Because I said that we should vote shadow over Grey today?
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Post Post #890 (isolation #134) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:34 am

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In post 888, Kagami wrote:Nacho, why do you think grey's play thus far is not alignment-indicative?
I wouldn't say that they are not alignment indicative, I'd say that they are well within his play as town or scum. Hyper focusing on Wisdom for meh reasons because he's annoying him is something likely to happen as either alignment; as scum it's a conscious action, as town it's not.
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Post Post #891 (isolation #135) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:35 am

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In post 889, Wisdom wrote:
In post 887, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 885, Wisdom wrote:
In post 881, Nachomamma8 wrote:Wisdom, who is your #3 if Leon is lyncher?
you
Because I said that we should vote shadow over Grey today?
Yes, and because youve ignored shaddow all game
The first part is dumb. The second part is unreasonable considering Shadow came off V/LA yesterday.
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Post Post #898 (isolation #136) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:41 am

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In post 892, Kagami wrote:How about "bulb is so scummy that I don't feel it's necessary to even comment on anyone else. And wisdom is a jerk, so he's scum too. O, looks like wisdom just killed my top scumread, he must be some obscure scum dayvig."
The wisdom part is where he starts to veer off the rails but he's been here exactly one day and stopping isn't exactly his specialty so holding onto a scumread too long isn't exactly surprising.
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Post Post #899 (isolation #137) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:42 am

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In post 894, Wisdom wrote:No, its not unreasonable
If i could see scumminess in shaddow then you could too
We could also have different opinions on something. You could feel stronger about something than I did.
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Post Post #903 (isolation #138) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:46 am

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In post 901, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 880, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 874, Infinity 324 wrote:Let's not get paranoid over each other because of which of our common scumreads we want to lynch first (yeah I know, more hypocrisy)
Who were you worried about getting paranoid?
wisdom
Yeah, I picked up on that one
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Post Post #905 (isolation #139) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:49 am

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In post 902, Wisdom wrote:
In post 899, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 894, Wisdom wrote:No, its not unreasonable
If i could see scumminess in shaddow then you could too
We could also have different opinions on something. You could feel stronger about something than I did.
Sure. The problem is you felt nothing at all, even when i asked you for a read on him.
Why is that a problem? Why is shadow undeniably scummy?
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Post Post #908 (isolation #140) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:52 am

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In post 906, Infinity 324 wrote:to add to that sentiment, we can examine who did what after both greyice and shadow are flipped. But preflip it's kinda dumb
Talking about associations pre-flip is fine; more potential to put scum in awkward positions, more potential for people to look at big picture instead of trees. What is dumb is Wisdom getting after me for not reading Shadow as scum instantly.
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Post Post #913 (isolation #141) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:55 am

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In post 858, Wisdom wrote:blame bulba and his manilulative looking fake looking paranoia of me

(Or just blame me for not hosting a vote about who gets stabbed like i was planning)
I want a better answer about why you shot Bulba than this.
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Post Post #916 (isolation #142) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:56 am

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Kagami, I also don't think you answered why you thought that Wisdom shooting Bulba would derail Leon momentum.
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Post Post #917 (isolation #143) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:57 am

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Who is Hello Kitty?
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Post Post #920 (isolation #144) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:58 am

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In post 915, Kagami wrote:Redcloak is likely a scum doc and Xykon and hello kitty could easily have kill resistance. I'm not lynching on the basis of vig-spec.
I'm not lynching on it but I'm far less inclined to leave people alive for killing powers now.
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Post Post #921 (isolation #145) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:58 am

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In post 918, kraska77 wrote:tammy's restricted-vig claim is the most town of the three
one of wisdom and leon is scum and its leon
Tammy is also the towniest of the three.
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Post Post #924 (isolation #146) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:59 am

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In post 914, Infinity 324 wrote:Maybe, but it can also waste a lot of time when your reads are wrong
Being town always carries with it the gigantic potential of wasting your time, it just comes with the territory.
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Post Post #926 (isolation #147) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:01 pm

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In post 923, Kagami wrote:In any case, I highly doubt both wis and leon are scum.
I agree. But, if I was Wisdom, the Bulba shot looks believable enough where I don't get murdered for it and Leon mislynch is set up enough where I'm not worried about it slipping away (especially since his defense posts don't look so hot).
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Post Post #927 (isolation #148) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:01 pm

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In post 925, Wisdom wrote:
In post 913, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 858, Wisdom wrote:blame bulba and his manilulative looking fake looking paranoia of me

(Or just blame me for not hosting a vote about who gets stabbed like i was planning)
I want a better answer about why you shot Bulba than this.
This question doesnt make me feel better about you

You should know better
I should know that you feel good about the game and you're shifting into a deep tunnel and then boom you shoot a townread? Were you getting concerned about Bulbazak earlier?
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Post Post #930 (isolation #149) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:03 pm

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I don't think basing Wisdom being scum on "is there a night kill?" is wise.
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Post Post #936 (isolation #150) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:08 pm

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In post 932, Infinity 324 wrote:Considering the possibility of just lynching leon now.
It's certainly getting harder to believe his "I have a cop and a vig to kill Xykon and I'll just be on my merry way!", especially since "lyncher on confirmed scum role" is a silly role that doesn't make more sense for Roy. Leon, you sure you don't want to change your claim at all?
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Post Post #937 (isolation #151) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:08 pm

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In post 934, SirCakez wrote:Infinity stop making me doubt my read on you
So when you posted 929 you weren't coming to the conclusion that Leon might be a good lynch?
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Post Post #941 (isolation #152) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:11 pm

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In post 939, Wisdom wrote:and yes im back to thinking hes 3p
But probably just a serial killer with a Roy fakeclaim. I'd feel a lot more comfortable about leaving him alive if he just told the truth and claimed SK.
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Post Post #943 (isolation #153) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:11 pm

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In post 940, kraska77 wrote:you do realise that him being 3p means there is a possibility the entire scum team is wiped out over the course of day/night 1?
Serial killer doesn't mean that we would be looking at a two man scumteam.
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Post Post #950 (isolation #154) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:15 pm

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In post 946, Leonshade wrote:It makes sense for Roy to be a lyncher because Roy's entire quest is to avenge his father by killing Xykon.

I believe Tammy's claim, and I believe that Wisdom is Belkar, too.

There's zero reason to lynch me today, I think scum is getting antsy.
Who? Why?
The problem with those two claims is that three vigs with no reason to shoot town is... questionable?
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Post Post #953 (isolation #155) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:16 pm

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Roy is a GOOD guy he's not the type who would kill Xykon and them ne like "fuck you guys I'm going home". I'm also not caught up yet and if you spoil me I'm crying and then replacing out, the main point is three town vigs is a bitter pill to swallow.
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Post Post #957 (isolation #156) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:18 pm

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In post 952, Infinity 324 wrote:But I still think leon is mafia
I think there's a possibility of it happening. If he's am SK and he outs now I'm sure town would be amendable to giving him the win in endgame if kingmaker comes up bit otherwise hes the lynch 100% of the time.
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Post Post #958 (isolation #157) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:19 pm

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In post 956, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 954, GreyICE wrote:Terrible?

MoI at the end of cupcake mafia said that it was a design flaw if the Scumteam could lose in one day phase. Lynch scum, vig scum, Leon give scum, done.

Want me to link you to the quotes where he called it awful game design and criticized Katsuki heavily?
And note that this is still true if leon is SK
Lynch scum, vig scum, Leon shoots scum but is bulletproof so can't be shot back.
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Post Post #960 (isolation #158) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:20 pm

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In post 927, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 925, Wisdom wrote:
In post 913, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 858, Wisdom wrote:blame bulba and his manilulative looking fake looking paranoia of me

(Or just blame me for not hosting a vote about who gets stabbed like i was planning)
I want a better answer about why you shot Bulba than this.
This question doesnt make me feel better about you

You should know better
I should know that you feel good about the game and you're shifting into a deep tunnel and then boom you shoot a townread? Were you getting concerned about Bulbazak earlier?
Requoting for Wisdom, not dropping this line until I'm happy with it.
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Post Post #966 (isolation #159) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:25 pm

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Lyncher on scum is essentially town unless anyone here wants to claim town-aligned Xykon.
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Post Post #967 (isolation #160) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:27 pm

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In post 964, Wisdom wrote:Yes nacho, i said it the last time he was catching up that i was starting not to buy his paranoia. And now i got more of the same.
You should know better that if i started fighting with him it wouldnt end well. So i got rid of him.
I know that you can get into fights with Bulbazak but impulsively policy vigging him when you feel good about the scumteam is a weird move, dont you think?
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Post Post #976 (isolation #161) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:35 pm

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I have to go for the night. Please yell at me if you see me in this thread.
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Post Post #977 (isolation #162) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:36 pm

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Peregrine, what happened to spam-happy fun-time Peregrine?
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Post Post #982 (isolation #163) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:34 pm

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And it also doesn't hurt that Tammy is the towniest by play.
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Post Post #983 (isolation #164) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:38 pm

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I have things I'd like to talk to Kagami about but her thoughts haven't been floating to the surface as much as they should have lately, which is a disappointment.
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Post Post #984 (isolation #165) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:41 pm

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In post 980, GreyICE wrote:Hey I have a fun idea. Nacho, up for nightless 2.0?

Leon might be SK, scum, lyncher, whatever. But he's got a shot, and if he sends it to the wrong place he's toast. And who better to guide it than confirmed town?

If someone gets lynched, they call Leon's shot. If they're scum he ignores them, if they're town he shoots the target that confirmed town told him to shoot.

Whose game?
I think that's a good play if one lynch is happening and a meh play if another lynch is happening.
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Post Post #1245 (isolation #166) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:53 am

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I'm here!
Kagami, there's a reason why I kept saying that I wasn't ready for a lynch; I wasn't ready. I didn't feel confident in my reads and I wanted time to press and I wanted time to develop them into things that were less mush than what they are. I haven't been all bluster this game and I'm not really sure where you're getting it from aside from end of day yesterday.
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Post Post #1246 (isolation #167) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:54 am

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I don't have problems with Leon's claim anymore after last night. I have problems with Wisdom and it feels incredibly validating to see yammy having a similar line of thought.
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Post Post #1257 (isolation #168) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:05 pm

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In post 1251, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1246, Nachomamma8 wrote:I don't have problems with Leon's claim anymore after last night. I have problems with Wisdom and it feels incredibly validating to see yammy having a similar line of thought.
yeah this needs rope
No way Nacho doesnt know im town
What have you done this game that looks town?
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Post Post #1258 (isolation #169) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:06 pm

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In post 1256, Kagami wrote:Strongman thing is too bad.
Was GreyICE.
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Post Post #1259 (isolation #170) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:07 pm

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In post 1255, Kagami wrote:I was also waiting for some further info about the scruffy thing, which GI decided to fulfill with "despite being town, I was afraid of the amistad tell, so I decided to pretend I didn't read wraith's posting despite knowing full well what was going on."
And this is one of the silly old guard things; surprised you don't remember Kuribo doing this exact thing in camn's apartment.
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Post Post #1262 (isolation #171) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:16 pm

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In post 1261, Wisdom wrote:lol
nacho pls
No answer?
Not surprised.
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Post Post #1264 (isolation #172) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:37 pm

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In post 1263, Wisdom wrote:you know better than to ask stupid things and even better to expect answers to them from me
You're pretending like doubting you is some sure tell that I'm mafia. I'm making it perfectly clear that there's no reason to believe that; if there was, you'd happily point it out and tunnel me into dust.
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Post Post #1266 (isolation #173) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:42 pm

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Instead we have responses like you to me when I was pressing you about Bulba where I should know that's not a shot you'd ever take as scum while that isn't the case at all; you claim that you never answer questions, but again, not quite true; you're stubborn as fuck and when people tell lies and say bullshit things you don't exactly have trouble calling them out.
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Post Post #1324 (isolation #174) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:56 am

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Vote: Wisdom


1) This is Shadow's posts when I said that I was nullreading him:
In post 17, shaddowez wrote:Hey Infinity, PV, farside, Cakez, Wisdom....I think that's all I know here.

VOTE: Pere

He's likely to lurk the entire game anyway, so may as well start here.
In post 33, shaddowez wrote:
In post 32, Tammy wrote:
In post 18, Wraith wrote:Mr. Scruffy is wondering if there is a reason besides RVS that four players immediately voted Nacho.

I'm town so he has to be scum :p
I don't know about anyone else, but you sold me with that argument!
In post 55, shaddowez wrote:
In post 49, Tammy wrote:I believe I have an early leaning town read on kagami.
You believe you do, or you do? They're not quite the same.
In post 57, shaddowez wrote:Nope, just wanted to up my post count.

(I'll give a real answer once mine has been answered)
In post 101, shaddowez wrote:
In post 73, Tammy wrote:
In post 55, shaddowez wrote:
In post 49, Tammy wrote:I believe I have an early leaning town read on kagami.
You believe you do, or you do? They're not quite the same.
They're pretty much the same.
Infinity
, here's your answer: I tend to be nitpicky about semantics. One of the phrases is more assertive than the other, which often times comes from town. The other leaves a little bit of room for maneuverability, which often times comes from scum. In this case they are pretty much the same, but the phrasing can still be indicative of things.
In post 104, shaddowez wrote:I wouldn't say frequently, but it is something I've seen. It's definitely possible that it's personality related (for example, I highly doubt I'd ever catch someone like Thor this way), but it is something I look at when things could have been phrased slightly differently.
In post 106, shaddowez wrote:
In post 105, Nachomamma8 wrote:What makes you think that Tammy isn't someone like Thor?
I meant particularly in posting style. Thor's posts, in the games I've been in with him at least, are almost entirely full steam ahead. That's why I used him as an example of not finding a non-assertive post.
In post 147, shaddowez wrote:
In post 126, Infinity 324 wrote:...snip...
Kagami is spending all his time trying to sort specifically me, which is odd to me. But he still seems town for now. Gut town lean on Tammy.

VOTE: wraith
Two things. First, if you have a read on a particular person, shouldn't you pursue that and/or pressure them? What's specifically odd about trying to sort out one person, especially without knowing their motivation for doing so? Second - why discuss other people in your post, and then vote Wraith with no other mention of him in your post?
In post 128, Wisdom wrote:
In post 123, Wraith wrote:This is an awfully strange 180:
Whats strange about it? The reason im townreading Infinity happened after those initial posts and actually have to do with how Infinity handled those posts.

I dont like this.
Widom beat me to it. There were a number of posts in between, and I can easily see how Infinity's responses could have caused a change in a read. Are you suggesting that people's reads shouldn't change?
In post 133, Infinity 324 wrote:@Nacho: Can you explain what you were trying to accomplish with your questioning of shadow?
I'm more interested in why he seemed to be soft defending Tammy and focusing on things not related to this game specifically. Granted I brought up Thor and other people's posts, but that was to illustrate why I was looking into something here.
In post 134, Leonshade wrote:@MOI: V/LA until Sunday the 13th.

Townreading Inf for his early play, don't see the scum motivation in his play. I think he's immediately scumhunting and trying to get the game going.

VOTE: kraska
Is this an RVS vote? You haven't participated yet, say you like Infinity, and then randomly vote kraska. If it's not, please give some explanation.
These posts are null. The only thing that is arguably scummy in these posts is the semantics attack, which I wasn't sure was style or not because, believe it or not, there are plenty of people who focus on annoying shit like this.
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Post Post #1325 (isolation #175) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:01 am

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2) This was Shadow's catchup:
In post 592, shaddowez wrote:Catching up now. Kagami, do you want my scum reads as of Thursday, or do you want me to catch up and provide them as of now?
In post 596, shaddowez wrote:Just noticed it was kraska that initially asked me, not Kagami. What don't you like about me commenting that I'm catching up?
In post 602, shaddowez wrote:A lot of this is old since a lot happened, but I'm going through everything.
In post 183, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 176, kraska77 wrote:
In post 170, Wisdom wrote:to be clearer: Making a post without being over the top tryhard is not a playstyle adjustment, therefore arguing "yeah he wouldnt playstyle adjust so you dont have a point" is bullshit
i dont see how infinity was being "over the top tryhard" i think it was the opposite his posting emanates nervousness/wariness. but nyway ur point was he would have stopped probing people for answers to useless questions...which is still bs considering the timespan
I don't like "you can't possibly believe this you're scum" arguments, do you often find that you can find scum in that way?
Can you please explain what you mean by this? I don't see that type of argument from either of them, so I'm not sure what you're trying to get at.
In post 210, Kagami wrote:Shadow's opening post looks motivated by "being safe." The initial part of his rule-of-three is reasonable, but I don't like the wisdom bit and the final part also feels limp-wristed to me, as if the point were to mention an buddy in a negative light.

I also think the townreads on infinity aren't terribly well justified, and am suspicious that three players have it. I would guess that exactly one infinity-defender is scum regardless of his alignment.
What's the "rule-of-three"? Also, how do you feel I was being safe in my opening post?
In post 214, kraska77 wrote:shadow's play in the purge mafia came off as "playing safe" and he got scumread for it...im waiting for more content but i think shadow laying low and playing safe isnt particularly scummy for him

pedit: theres pere too i think
This post makes me hard townread kraska for reasons that I feel would be detrimental to town to say right now.
In post 215, Kagami wrote:There's a difference between playing safe and having intent to play safe (especially in RVS).
I'm still not sure what you mean. How does any vote count as "playing safe" in RVS?
In post 229, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 225, Infinity 324 wrote:I don't like how much fluff this guy has
Explain? This seems like a ridiculous reason for voting.
Do you really feel that lack of content (ie fluff) is a bad reason for scum reading somebody? Isn't that a large part of what scum have to do, make stuff up and look busy?
In post 248, Nachomamma8 wrote:i didn't really like her response to my questions but i'm also not sure if she knows any better
Please refer to the pronoun under my avatar.
In post 301, Infinity 324 wrote:cakes' case is very shallow
I'll add on an agree to this.
In post 308, SirCakez wrote:Also
In post 301, Infinity 324 wrote:cakes' case is very shallow
In post 302, Kagami wrote:yep
It was the 6th page when I made the vote. Were you expecting a large case? His ISO was like 10 posts at that point.
You're right, when you made the vote it was. However, you were asked to explain it well after then, and you didn't add much substance to it.
In post 334, kraska77 wrote:shhh its ok it seems ive been chosen to be the designated person far thinks is scum and tunnels all game long its ok ive accepted my fate
anyway i was kinda half serious too. this is town farside
Are you saying this purely based on her tunneling?
In post 348, Bulbazak wrote:Alrighty then...

@Nacho: Give me your thoughts on Wisdom when you can. I'm not sure if I'm looking at 1305 Wisdom here, or if this is the amicable scum Wisdom I've been seeing a lot lately. I'm not sure how much I'm going to be around over the next few days, but I'll try to do my best with anything else you want to talk about.

@Wraith: Why'd you stop with the Mr. Fluffy talk? I found it strange in general, but I found you stopping to be kinda abrupt.

Vote Shaddowez


I could go Wraith too, but I'm not sure it's as good a vote.
This is your second post, and it's practically a naked vote for me. Why do you feel I was a better vote than Wraith, who you also didn't address except for asking about Mr. Fluffy.
In post 390, Bulbazak wrote:I didn't like him going after surface reasoning. His play just felt shallow overall, and I just didn't get the feeling that he was actually looking for scum.
So, you do realize I never actually said she was scum, it was just something I look out for? Also, if you want to ask anyone about me and semantics arguments you can ask Wisdom about Episode 1.
In post 406, Tammy wrote:...snip....
I understand the scum reads on Wraith, but I was going to vote shaddowez until I realized I couldn't be the cool kid to start that wagon. So, I'm just gonna stick on Nacho for a while so you guys can question me about why it's there and when I'm going to change it because it's always fun when that happens.
You wouldn't have been the first person on the wagon...I believe there were already three votes on me. If I'm actually a scum read of yours, why wouldn't you vote me regardless of where on the wagon it was?
In post 424, Wraith wrote:Okay let's take a look at shadow's short ISO
...snip....

I don't like semantic arguments. That's just me. Semantic arguments are a scumtell to me. That's probably because I strongly prefer VCA and logical/data-based arguments than attempting to analyze word choice or emotional expression. I think it's absolutely impossible to accurately analyze someone's emotional state over the internet.
See my comment above about my semantic arguments.
In post 600, shaddowez wrote:Catch up post is just about done, so here's my reads prior (mostly off memory, I really need to start taking notes). I'll do an up to date one once I've done my catch up post.

Town - farside, Wisdom, kraska
Leantown - Kagami, Tammy
Leanscum - Cakez, Infinity, Nacho
Scum - Bulba, Wraith

Everyone else was null due to lack of content or not being able to get a read.
In post 603, shaddowez wrote:Town - farside, kraska, PV
Leantown - Tammy, Wisdom, Infinity, Nacho
Leanscum - Cakez, Kagami, Leon
Scum - Bulba, Wraith

(Details to come probably tomorrow, Mondays and meetings suck)
In post 605, shaddowez wrote:Yep, you caught me.
This was Leon's:
In post 584, Leonshade wrote:I had a special interest in sorting Infinity first, as I've had multiple games where I scumread town!Infinity before, including Typhon Mafia, where I basically tunneled him all D1 until I got lynched. I think I have a better grasp on his playstyle now. But my read is not up to date, as I'm not caught up yet.
In post 585, Leonshade wrote:Above in reference to why my one post so far was commenting on my townread on Inf.
In post 587, Leonshade wrote:I don't think my inactivity needs defending, as it's related to out-of-game reasons. Just wanted to post content but too lazy to read right now.
In retrospect, Shadow was a better vote. At the time, it should be incredibly obvious why I voted the way I did.
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Post Post #1330 (isolation #176) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:08 am

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In post 1328, Infinity 324 wrote:@nacho Are you saying you voted leon just because shadow had more content? Because if so that's incredibly shallow, especially since at least imo shadow's catchup was largely fluff/empty questions.
No, I'm saying I voted Leon over shadow because Leon's catch up was worse.
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Post Post #1335 (isolation #177) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:12 am

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I think that Wisdom is scum. As town, I don't think he would be as bothered about me nullreading scum who hadn't done shit as he is, and him hyperfocusing on this one point is his scum play to a T (and him talking about how it's a small part of his read compared to his "FULL READ ON ME" is bullshit since it only popped up since I started doubting him). His approach towards Leon today (acting like he's lyncher on town with absolutely no basis to do so) is scummy as shit; he's doing it because he's setting up a mislynch on Leon he drives through the mislynch on me.
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Post Post #1341 (isolation #178) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:16 am

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In post 1331, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1267, Infinity 324 wrote:@nacho: Is it true that you almost always townread wisdom when he's town? How much confidence do you have in reading wisdom? Are there specific differences between this and other towngames of wisdom's? (Other than being less aggressive)
I think that town!wisdom is generally a universal townread; I don't really remember a lot of times offhand where Wisdom was scumread more than not and I was the lone person defending him. I have decent confidence in reading Wisdom when I'm scumreading him; I've already laid out why he's scum here as opposed to be town; why don't you start there?
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Post Post #1342 (isolation #179) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:16 am

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In post 1339, Wisdom wrote:not to mention the "no basis" is laughable
Then explain it.
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Post Post #1345 (isolation #180) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:20 am

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In post 1344, SirCakez wrote:Nacho's wisdom push reeks of desperate scum
so this is the time when you finally get it right, correct?
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Post Post #1346 (isolation #181) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:20 am

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because Wisdom shooting Bulbazak (which makes no sense from a town perspective but makes a hell of a lot of sense from a scum perspective) is just LOL wisdom, right?
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Post Post #1348 (isolation #182) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:21 am

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oh and me calling Shadow scum on page 5 is completely unreasonable I'm Nacho, right? That makes sense?
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Post Post #1349 (isolation #183) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:21 am

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OH OH OH and Leon is lyncher on town... because Wisdom says so?
When I flip town, what happens?
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Post Post #1351 (isolation #184) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:22 am

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Are you going to follow my words like they are the gospel? Are you finally going to leave me alone in future games?
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Post Post #1353 (isolation #185) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:23 am

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What I don't understand about your push on me is that your apology seemed legitimate; you seemed like you honestly regretted tunneling the shit out of me in two games in a row for two straight games, and, in this game, for just a couple blessed moments you were townreading me and apparently not falling into old habits and then suddenly you're pushing the shit out me all over again? Why?
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Post Post #1359 (isolation #186) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:29 am

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In post 1332, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1330, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1328, Infinity 324 wrote:@nacho Are you saying you voted leon just because shadow had more content? Because if so that's incredibly shallow, especially since at least imo shadow's catchup was largely fluff/empty questions.
No, I'm saying I voted Leon over shadow because Leon's catch up was worse.
Why was it worse?
Leon popped in thread, explained his townread on you from forever ago, then got weirded out and explained why he was defending you (what?), and then, when Wisdom pointed out that it looked a little strange, Leon said that he was only getting pushed by his inactivity when no one was talking about it in the first place. For one, I think that mafia are more likely than town to post content for the sake of posting content; as scum, I am far more focused on what I produce as opposed to my thoughts when posting as town and I think the post about you makes sense in that context. I didn't like him explaining why he was defending you out of nowhere; in what world is it a town mindset to post your read on someone and then immediately explain why you're posting it? That's being self-conscious about what you're doing. Then, the part where he says that he's being pushed about his inactivity... no idea where that came from, no idea why Leon would start at that angle immediately.

Shadow's catchup made a good point re: you and Kraska's argument over "you can't possibly believe this"; you were pushing kraska for pushing this argument on Wisdom when that culminated in a null read. I liked the "I'm townreading kraska for reasons that are detrimental to town" point; it seemed like an odd angle for scum to take; I did very sincerely want to question it because I wasn't quite sure what it was referring to (it didn't look like it was PR fishing), but didn't want to open that particular can of worms. I didn't mind his questions towards you and Bulbazak. Why did you scumread it?
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Post Post #1360 (isolation #187) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:29 am

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In post 1355, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1353, Nachomamma8 wrote:What I don't understand about your push on me is that your apology seemed legitimate; you seemed like you honestly regretted tunneling the shit out of me in two games in a row for two straight games, and, in this game, for just a couple blessed moments you were townreading me and apparently not falling into old habits and then suddenly you're pushing the shit out me all over again? Why?
Because you actually scum this time
When I flip town, will you vote Wisdom tomorrow?
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Post Post #1362 (isolation #188) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:31 am

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No, he said he'd "take a hard look at you".
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Post Post #1363 (isolation #189) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:32 am

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In post 1352, Infinity 324 wrote:But the more this interaction goes on the more confident I am that it's SvT, so if nacho flips town I'd look hard at wisdom.
"SvT" and "TvT" interactions don't exist.
People can get very confident about things and be wrong. What you should be doing is analyzing the merit of each side; when I flip town, your approach should be much less "hmmm, I guess I was wrong on Wisdom because Nacho was
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confident" and more "oh. I guess Nacho had a point! I guess that Wisdom suddenly believing that Leon is a lyncher on town despite not having any reason to do so at all IS pretty sketchy!"
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Post Post #1364 (isolation #190) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:33 am

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In post 1347, SirCakez wrote:Hopefully
P-edit: yes, it's part of why I townread him
I also want you to explain why Wisdom would shoot Bulbazak as town.
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Post Post #1365 (isolation #191) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:34 am

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In post 1363, Nachomamma8 wrote:I guess that Wisdom suddenly believing that Leon is a lyncher on town despite not having any reason to do so at all IS pretty sketchy!
Still waiting on your explanation for this, Wisdom; you said that me saying that you had no basis for it was wrong, prove it.
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Post Post #1367 (isolation #192) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:35 am

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In post 1366, Wisdom wrote:despite not
why aren't you answering to this?
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Post Post #1369 (isolation #193) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:37 am

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In post 1282, Wisdom wrote:Given Leon's reaction to my push its practically confirmed he was lying about having scum as a target so theres your balance
(this isn't a reason by the way)
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Post Post #1370 (isolation #194) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:38 am

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unless, Infinity, could you explain why Leon's reaction to Wisdom's push "confirms" him as lyncher as town?
or maybe, just maybe, is it bullshit?
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Post Post #1372 (isolation #195) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:39 am

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In post 1338, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1335, Nachomamma8 wrote:His approach towards Leon today (acting like he's lyncher on town with absolutely no basis to do so) is scummy as shit; he's doing it because he's setting up a mislynch on Leon he drives through the mislynch on me.
also what the fuck is this?
a "mislynch" on Leon?
You think Leon is town or what?
also just noticed this post
lol
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Post Post #1373 (isolation #196) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:40 am

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In post 1371, Wisdom wrote:yep. just like shaddow's posts were null.
the posts up to page 5 were null, yes.
what did you find scummy about them?
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Post Post #1375 (isolation #197) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:42 am

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In post 1374, Wisdom wrote:lol indeed
"mislynch" aside, you're making it look like I'm "setting up" a lynch on him when it's absolutely clear we're lynching him before endgame anyway
absolutely no reason to unless you think he's an SK who claimed JOAT-lyncher which doesn't actually make any sort of sense.
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Post Post #1381 (isolation #198) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:52 am

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In post 1376, Wisdom wrote:nacho pls
You've personally claimed scum to me when you act like me shooting Bulba is surprising
As such I have no reason to explain anything to you
good luck convincing the others
from a town perspective, you pulling yourself out of a deep tunnel to shoot bulba when you did because "he was paranoid of you and it seemed fake" doesn't make sense. your explanation of "we wouldn't want to tunnel each other the whole game" also doesn't make sense; i don't see why you would take a policy shot over actually shooting a scumread and I don't see why you would talk that way about Bulba if you had a scumread on him (instead of the more reasonable "look at his pushes on me again").

As scum, the shots that made sense for you to take were also shots that were very, very easy mislynches. Bulba wasn't. They were also shots on people that weren't really suspecting you for any reason that you cared about, but Bulba's paranoia was reinforced in part by a couple people early. As far as "people that aren't fully townread yet but would be nice to get out of the way", Bulba makes a hell of a lot of sense as a shot.

As far as you pretending like me so much as suspecting you is completely unreasonable and "confirming you as scum", it's bullshit. What I was looking for when I asked you what you've done that looks town at this point is to make it patently obvious that none of this is outside of your scum range and you pretending so strongly that it is is suspicious in and of itself; as town, I don't see you going "nacho this point you brought up is wrong you're confirmed scum". As scum, it makes sense; the more you have to talk and explain, the smaller the chances of me actually getting lynched.
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Post Post #1382 (isolation #199) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:54 am

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In post 1380, Infinity 324 wrote:Imo, looking for SvT and TvT interactions is one of the most reliable ways to scumhunt. It's not that you're confident, more like I would expect a TvT interaction to be more intense and have more direct engagement if you know what I'm saying. Anyway, my gut is usually reliable on these things.

Wrt the lyncher on town vs scum thing, I think wisdom thinks leon is fake and isn't bothering to explain it.
It's one of my pet peeves because of how unreliable it is. It's not based on anything at all; what it looks like when people clash is based on personality far more often than alignment and how they react is typically far more indicative of an individual's alignment than it is for their interaction as a whole. I know that I'm not changing your mind on this here and now, but I hope one day that you move away from it.

If Wisdom was just gutreading Leon as fake, I think he'd be open with the fact that it was a gut read. I think that pretending like he has reasons for it is indicative of scum.
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