Mini 1771 - Legend of Zelda Mafia: Storm the Castle Endgame
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In post 27, Toogeloo wrote:My first was the original gold cartridge for NES on release day...
...gawd I'm old.
Well, you must be a little older than me, but not by much. My first one was the gold cartridge of Zelda II: The Adventures of Link. I never did finish it though. Never could figure out how to get that forcefield down at that one palace.-
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In post 33, Davsto wrote:Best is Majora's Mask, you think anything else, you are wrong.
Sorry, but the best was, by far, Ocarina. I didn't even finish Majora, because I got bored with it after playing Ocarina.-
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In post 50, Toogeloo wrote:As quick as the signups happened, I thought for sure we'd be on page 10 by the time I woke up. Aside from Titus, and to a lesser extent dwlee, I don'tthinkI know anyone else on the playerlist, unless there is someone playing under an alt. So there likely won't be any early meta reads available to me.
From just what's presented so far, I'd say that Cookie Bakers is more likely to be scum than Phoenix though. Phoenix hasn't really done anything objectively scummy, where as Cookie is basically just free voting to get a wagon going. Scum are more likely just hanging out though and fluff talking for now, so I'd probably put anyone who's only real content was the first Zelda game they played up there as possible places to start voting as well.
I think players using RVS/early votes to build wagons, more often than not, tend to be Town looking for reactions.
In general, I think it's smarter for scum to stay away from major wagons early on. Of course, that is player dependent, and I don't know anyone here at all. So, I won't be meta reading anyone. Not that I would anyways. I think it's a waste of time.-
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Holy shit. All hell broke loose while I was asleep.
Alright, I guess I'll explain this now.
Davsto had voted himself in RVS, and I wanted to see a couple of things.
Q1. How long it would take a wagon to form on the heels of a self vote and a vote with no reasoning attached to it.
A1. Not terrbily long. Dwlee joined it fairly quickly, though that seemed to be for more flippant reasons than because there was a wagon already. Nahdia was fourth on the wagin, but I was actually thinking along the same lines as her, so it's hard to find that scummy. So, I think they are both null from this, for me.
Q2. How long it would take Davsto to unvote himself after said wagon started to form?
A2. Quite a while, actually. Plus, he barely reacted to my reasonless vote. This gives me a slight town vibe on Davsto, even though what Nahdia mentions about him "ascertaining too much too early" does concern me a bit. For now though,
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In post 74, clearance only wrote:
Hi Mirhawk.
Pretty weak vote you've got there.
Welcome to the scumpile.
There have been a lot of weak votes, especially around the time that this was posted. Hell, I didn't even give a reason with my vote on Davsto.
Why are you singling out Mirhawk? Is it simply because his weak vote is on you?
In post 103, beeboy wrote:
You need to take a step back and realize just because someone is pressuring you it doesn't make them scum.That is if you are town.
The bold part kinda sounds forced to me. Like he thought he needed to put that disclaimer in there, just to make sure everyone knew that he didn't know his Phoenix's alignment.
In post 108, beeboy wrote:In post 106, Phoenix Wright wrote:He's not scum for tunneling me. He's scum because it sounds like all of his reasons for why he says that he thinks I'm scum are horrible and seem insincere
Whether or not I agree with that your reaction to the claims is much, much worse.
Translation: "You're right, but I don't want to say so, because that's going to make my case that your reaction was terrible."
VOTE: beeboy
In post 150, beeboy wrote:In post 146, Nahdia wrote:beeboy is your V key broken or something???
Actually PW that unvote was awkward as hell. Scum push town all the time lmfao. That felt like such an lame excuse to unvote.....................
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In post 187, SirCakez wrote:What the hell why is Davsto the leading wagon?
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In post 193, clearance only wrote:In post 186, Xkfyu wrote:There have been a lot of weak votes, especially around the time that this was posted. Hell, I didn't even give a reason with my vote on Davsto.
Why are you singling out Mirhawk? Is it simply because his weak vote is on you?
Definitely gave me more scumvibes than any of the other apparent abundance of weak votes about.
The reasoning he tacked on was honestly horrible.
And felt like a really shallow analysis of said post.
I'll rephrase my second question.
Would you have thought his reasoning/vote was less scummy had he voted for someone else?-
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In post 198, clearance only wrote:Depends honestly.
I've chainsawed for my townreads before. But they've gotta be pretty confident townreads.
Did you think his vote looked town?
No, not really. But I didn't think it looked especially scummy either.
It could have been town looking for a reaction, or it could have been scum looking to cast some shade. I think it could just as easily be one as it could be the other.-
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In post 232, Mirhawk wrote:It may be paranoia but Toogleoo and Xkyfu's votes on Beeboy feel over-justified.
Would you prefer that I leave things out, even though I find them scummy?-
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In post 238, Mirhawk wrote:@Xky
No, but I'm suspicious because you went from having nothing to to say on him to everything he said in the past was suspicious in one post.
With the exception of his first two posts, all of his posts were made while I was asleep.
Besides, I only pointed out two posts of his that I thought were scummy (not nearly everything). The third was a question.-
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In post 257, Dwlee99 wrote:Their V key is broken, toog.
In post 150, beeboy wrote:In post 146, Nahdia wrote:beeboy is your V key broken or something???
Actually PW that unvote was awkward as hell. Scum push town all the time lmfao. That felt like such an lame excuse to unvote.....................
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In post 261, beeboy wrote:In post 256, Toogeloo wrote:
beeboy, you were taking jabs at Phoenix and twisting every comment he made to make them seem scummier, all while mostly being on the sidelines of the argument. Phoenix was correct in saying that no matter what he posted, you were finding some way of making it look scummy.
Is the \/ thing you are doing some kind of role restriction, yes or no? If no, why exactly do you do it, cuz it's actually a little weird to read sometime.
Uh my \/ key is broked.
Oh. Well, one of the two is a lie. So, which is it?-
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In post 319, clearance only wrote:In post 316, Cookie Bakers wrote:Like this was a weird shift. I know it was a 100 posts apart but he says still scummy when before he said that he seems town enough. And the vote was in response to Dav being the leading wagon which makes me go eh,
See I have this inner contradiction I feel like he could be scum with Dav that voted PW to shift the leading wwagon but that would make his post you mentioned really unlikly to come from scum who push a mislynch. If we assume cakes with PW and it being a coachign post. The above with him suddenly changin his mind and voting him again makes no sense.
Couple things. Davsto was never a serious wagon. So let's not assume there was any attempt to swing away from that because scum would probably guess its dissipation eventually. (also you'd need to assume davsto scum and that's preflips anyway)
Also, coaching isn't always necessarily a scum on scum thing. In fact it's normally not.
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My initial thoughts on the shift basically corresponded exactly with what Cookie said. However, I didn't consider this, and it makes a lot of sense. Davsto was voting himself, and I laid down my Davsto vote for no reason whatsoever, and I think that was half the votes. So, I agree, even if Davsto is scum, scum wouldn't have really had a reason to worry about his wagon too much.
If Cakez was inexperienced, then I guess maybe it was possible, but that doesn't seem to be the case.-
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In post 334, clearance only wrote:In post 273, SirCakez wrote:In post 257, Dwlee99 wrote:Their V key is broken, toog.
Why was this the only thing you said when you popped in then popped out?
Okay Nahdia maybe this post will convince you because it's what sold me.
This is a leading question. There's no correct answer here. There's nothing prying or trying to get something to figure out dwlees alignment.
It's just the post of a player who was surface scanning the thread looking for things to throw shade on.
It's 100% a scum post.
Vote for cakes.
If nothing else, this, coupled with how you chose to not push Cakez as scum based off what could have been seen as a wagon swing away from Davsto, I can at least say with reasonable confidence that you are town.
Honestly, I still really like beeboy for scum, but this makes Cakez a close second for me.-
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In post 349, Nahdia wrote:greatest ongoing mystery of this game is beeboy's V key.
Yeah, his V key clearly works, and I have a serious distaste for questions to go unanswered. Hence why I prefer the beeboy lynch over the Cakez lynch, right now.
And if beeboy is trying to soft claim Vigilante, then all the more reason to lynch him.-
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In post 354, Nahdia wrote:still going with my "he just read homestuck" theory.
Question for those with far more experience than I; how many scum would one expect in a 13 person setup? 3?
Sorry, I'm not familiar with that. However, even assuming that is the case, why wouldn't he just say so? Honestly, even if that isn't REALLY the case, you have now given him an out. So, he could still answer with that. If there is an innocent reason for it, or some reason that doesn't pertain to this game, then I see no reason why he wouldn't just answer.-
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In post 354, Nahdia wrote:Question for those with far more experience than I; how many scum would one expect in a 13 person setup? 3?
I'm really not crazy about early game setup speculation because there just isn't enough information.
I mean, if this is a regular one town faction and one Mafia faction, then yeah 3 sounds right. But, there is nothing to suggest anything yet.-
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In post 356, Shiro wrote:In post 353, Xkfyu wrote:And if beeboy is trying to soft claim Vigilante, then all the more reason to lynch him.
Ok uhm wtf? Did you just say all the more ro lynch someone who you think might be sifting pro town role?
Yes, because what reason would a Town Vig have to crumb/soft-claim like this in D1? Sure, maybe he crumbs his target at the end of the day, just in case he is NKed, but not like this.-
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In post 359, Cookie Bakers wrote:What reason would have scum to crump vig in a very bleh way? Why assume illogical scum over dumb town?
Mostly because he's avoiding the question, which is always scummy to me.-
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In post 386, Davsto wrote:In post 184, Xkfyu wrote:
Holy shit. All hell broke loose while I was asleep.
In post 63, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 60, Davsto wrote:
In post 55, Xkfyu wrote:
UNVOTE: Mirhawk
VOTE: Davsto
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Alright, I guess I'll explain this now.
Davsto had voted himself in RVS, and I wanted to see a couple of things.
Q1. How long it would take a wagon to form on the heels of a self vote and a vote with no reasoning attached to it.
A1. Not terrbily long. Dwlee joined it fairly quickly, though that seemed to be for more flippant reasons than because there was a wagon already. Nahdia was fourth on the wagin, but I was actually thinking along the same lines as her, so it's hard to find that scummy. So, I think they are both null from this, for me.
Q2. How long it would take Davsto to unvote himself after said wagon started to form?
A2. Quite a while, actually. Plus, he barely reacted to my reasonless vote. This gives me a slight town vibe on Davsto, even though what Nahdia mentions about him "ascertaining too much too early" does concern me a bit. For now though,
UNVOTE: Davsto
I don't mean to sound harsh, but... did this actually do anything then? Sounds like all you got was a slight townlean which in itself is nullified by a separate action.
Nope. It didn't do very much at all. Though, it did have potential.-
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In post 395, Davsto wrote:Sorry
I mean, I could go back, pretend I never read it, and react in a super-towny way so that I'm treated as townie as I am for the rest of the game
If you want
It's cool. I think you handled it fine.-
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In post 452, clearance only wrote:In post 334, clearance only wrote:In post 273, SirCakez wrote:In post 257, Dwlee99 wrote:Their V key is broken, toog.
Why was this the only thing you said when you popped in then popped out?
Okay Nahdia maybe this post will convince you because it's what sold me.
This is a leading question. There's no correct answer here. There's nothing prying or trying to get something to figure out dwlees alignment.
It's just the post of a player who was surface scanning the thread looking for things to throw shade on.
It's 100% a scum post.
Vote for cakes.
Here's my smoking gun. (it was on the next page)
It's good.
You're clear to sheep this.
I see your point about the leading question, but "smoking gun" is a little strong here, I think. I have seen town players do this, and I myself have done it as town-
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In post 460, Phoenix Wright wrote:And those last 3 points of yours happened after you said you'd write your case against me. So if they hadn't happened, you would only have one point for why you think I'm scum? Lol
This is a good point, and makes me feel like Cakez's scum read was fake to begin with.
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In post 535, clearance only wrote:Phoenix, go through XK's iso, it's not too long. I know you said you've agreed with some points but you should know that agreeing with people isn't alignment indicative.
Look through it more with a "is this guy looking for scum" mindset and tell me what you find.
Note that Phoenix has answered this, I'd like to hear your thoughts on it.-
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In post 568, Phoenix Wright wrote:In post 558, Xkfyu wrote:In post 460, Phoenix Wright wrote:And those last 3 points of yours happened after you said you'd write your case against me. So if they hadn't happened, you would only have one point for why you think I'm scum? Lol
This is a good point, and makes me feel like Cakez's scum read was fake to begin with.
UNVOTE: beeboy
VOTE: SirCakez
UNVOTE: This doesn't feel right. You just happened to show up after we started mentioning you again? And then you just jump right onto the current biggest wagon? I don't like it...
Yep, I just happened to show up just then and start posting, as we had just been released from drill, so I figured I would catch up in my car before making my long drive home. And I had said just before the weekend that cakes was my second preference, but the wagons were tired up at 4 votes a piece before I moved mine.-
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In post 574, clearance only wrote:In post 558, Xkfyu wrote:In post 460, Phoenix Wright wrote:And those last 3 points of yours happened after you said you'd write your case against me. So if they hadn't happened, you would only have one point for why you think I'm scum? Lol
This is a good point, and makes me feel like Cakez's scum read was fake to begin with.
UNVOTE: beeboy
VOTE: SirCakez
Am I crazy or does this look like bussing?
You're not crazy at all. I knew full well what it looked like when I did it. Just like I knew how the timing of my posts was going to look. I just didn't care.-
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In post 580, SirCakez wrote:Bakers what do you think of Xkfyu?
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In post 608, Mirhawk wrote:I was going to reread all my scumreads before picking one.
Or I could go with the one that just got ruined.
Unvote
Vote: Toogeloo
Why? Because I'm actually pretty sure that he's town now.-
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In post 579, Cookie Bakers wrote:PW Sensei SirCakez can the three of you knock it off. You're all town and all bitching at each other.
While y'all are bitching. Toog and Ari are lurking.
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I'm with you on PW and Cleavage, but what makes you think that Cakez is town?-
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In post 566, Xkfyu wrote:In post 535, clearance only wrote:Phoenix, go through XK's iso, it's not too long. I know you said you've agreed with some points but you should know that agreeing with people isn't alignment indicative.
Look through it more with a "is this guy looking for scum" mindset and tell me what you find.
Now that Phoenix has answered this, I'd like to hear your thoughts on it.
(Auto-correct fix: "Note" changed to "Now.")
Cleavage, you mind answering this please?-
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Sorry. Completely missed that post somehow. Thanks.-
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In post 572, clearance only wrote:XK has yet to really leave an impression on me and hasn't really rocked the boat all that much.
Then the thing about beeboy crumbing vig was ... different. In my younger days of mafia playing I'd probably powerlynch him for something silly like "lol look at this scum paying attention to crumbs and stuff give this death" but nah.
Kinda took a while for him to get going too. And his catch up as Mirhawk pointed out really seemed to revolve around beeboy and not much else. Oh, and I guess that interaction about my thing with Mirhawk earlier.
Which, going back to that seems like a pretty dull line of inquiry. Like, I remember he asked me "would that look scummy if it was a vote on somebody else" which felt really patronizing and pointless.
Almost like soft WKing and going out of his way to defend mirhawk from something that to be frank wasn't even anything I was currently pursuing.
I think there's a good shot this is a scum slot.
Actually, you are absolutely right. That question was meant to be patronizing, as I don't believe at all that you would have reacted the same way if it had been someone else who had been voted in the same way. In fact, you already hadn't paid any attention to all the other weak votes around, and that was my point. Claiming that I was defending Mirhawk is ridiculous. Surely you know the difference between defending someone and what I did.
You seem to make some comment that at least hints at me being scum, just about every time I come into the thread. If you think there is such a "good shot" that I am scum, then why aren't you putting more effort into interacting with me? I mean, I get that your biggest scum read is Cakez, and you've spent a lot of energy trying to rally the troops to vote for him. But if you're so concerned about me, then why aren't you pursuing it?-
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In post 604, Cookie Bakers wrote:Toog, Was I not clear? We threatened to dayvig you. We want your reads, and claim,not for you to act like a jelly fish and say it's ok if you're lynched.
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Reads is one thing, but would you explain to me why you would threaten to vig him if he didn't claim?
In post 672, Cookie Bakers wrote:In post 598, Nahdia wrote:
Jesus Toog time to backtrack yo.
This one. It reeks of scum meaning to post in a PT or scum coaching but when would nahdia ever coach Toog? Noobs generally don't coach seasoned vets.
Actually, it just reeks of flippancy. You yourself answered why the second possibility is a reach, and, unless nahdia can't tell the difference between purple and black, the first possibility is even more of a reach.-
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In post 736, clearance only wrote:What's on your mind?
You are on my mind, because of the fact that I've been town reading you for a long time now. However, you keep hinting at me being scum, but when I respond to you, you make no real attempt at anything. It makes me feel like your opinion isn't genuine, and that is concerning.
In post 736, clearance only wrote:What do you think of Dav's vote this page?
If you're asking me what do I think about the fact that he voted Cookie, then I have no problem with that. I'm null on Cookie, and would be willing to lynch them. But honestly, I'd be willing to lynch a lot of people right now.
Now, if you're asking me about the content...well, there is none. But, there seems to be a lot of that going around. Especially lately.
Does this post bother you at all?
In post 740, Phoenix Wright wrote:It's pretty funny that as soon as we're really close to lynching sir cakez everyone suddenly tries to put the pressure on cleavage lol-
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In post 737, beeboy wrote:461: ewwww
That's not really a proper description of a post. It sounds like you're just trying to make it look bad without having to explain it.
So, would you mind explaining what it was that you didn't like about it?-
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In post 750, Cookie Bakers wrote:In post 747, Xkfyu wrote:In post 604, Cookie Bakers wrote:Toog, Was I not clear? We threatened to dayvig you. We want your reads, and claim,not for you to act like a jelly fish and say it's ok if you're lynched.
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Reads is one thing, but would you explain to me why you would threaten to vig him if he didn't claim?
In post 672, Cookie Bakers wrote:In post 598, Nahdia wrote:
Jesus Toog time to backtrack yo.
This one. It reeks of scum meaning to post in a PT or scum coaching but when would nahdia ever coach Toog? Noobs generally don't coach seasoned vets.
Actually, it just reeks of flippancy. You yourself answered why the second possibility is a reach, and, unless nahdia can't tell the difference between purple and black, the first possibility is even more of a reach.
Claiming is a precursor to dayvigging. I don't want to Derp vig a mason or cop or something.
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But...you weren't going to dayvig him.-
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In post 766, Cookie Bakers wrote:What part of Titus doesn't bluff do you not understand?
None of it. I understand it completely. I just don't believe it.
Mostly, because of this:
In post 698, Cookie Bakers wrote:Why should I?
The time to trigger a day shot if town is to use it as a dual lynch?
So you want me to shoot Toog, vote him.
but there was something else I saw that made me think that you were bluffing, as well.-
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In post 769, Cookie Bakers wrote:Not bluffing.
Shiro and I have a joint anytime vig. One of our scumreads will not live to see tomorrow. We are just going to be as pro town as possible about it.
Ok, you'll have to excuse my hydra ignorance, but that's worded funny and I want to make sure that I'm not missing something.
You just mean that your slot is a 1-shot anytime Vigilante, right?-
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In post 770, clearance only wrote:In post 759, Xkfyu wrote:You are on my mind, because of the fact that I've been town reading you for a long time now. However, you keep hinting at me being scum, but when I respond to you, you make no real attempt at anything. It makes me feel like your opinion isn't genuine, and that is concerning.
You've been basically a lurksack so far. If you feel like I haven't made an attempt at "anything" it's probably because I either didn't feel a need to respond because you were talking to me about how I shouldn't be scumreading Mirhawk for his shit vote on me earlier which is a pointless line of dialogue in the first place or I forgot that you existed.
You're not a strong scumread.
But the wishy-washy way you're coming at me here isn't making it go away.
I'm certainly not as active as some, but other than you Cakez, and PW, I haven't made significantly fewer posts than anyone. Especially since I was mostly V/LA for the weekend. So, you are vastly exaggerating. Honestly, I'm not concerned with your scum read on me. I'm concerned with my town read on you. So, trying to imply that the way I'm coming at you is going to make you continue to scum read isn't going to convince me to stop coming at you.-
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In post 773, clearance only wrote:In post 759, Xkfyu wrote:Does this post bother you at all?
I'm more bothered by him asking me "how are you so sure" when I said toog would flip town earlier tbh.
Why does that bother you? Should it bother me?
On it's own, not terribly. It could be him buddying you, but those kinds of posts, I call them "lol" posts (as in, "lol look how scummy you are lol"), tend to catch my eye. So, I'm certainly not feeling as good about PW being town as I was earlier in the day.
I didn't like the "how are you so sure" question much either, but I liked the one I quoted even less.-
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In post 778, Phoenix Wright wrote:In post 775, Xkfyu wrote:In post 773, clearance only wrote:In post 759, Xkfyu wrote:Does this post bother you at all?
I'm more bothered by him asking me "how are you so sure" when I said toog would flip town earlier tbh.
Why does that bother you? Should it bother me?
On it's own, not terribly. It could be himbuddying you, but those kinds of posts, I call them "lol" posts (as in, "lol look how scummy you are lol"), tend to catch my eye. So, I'm certainly not feeling as good about PW being town as I was earlier in the day.
I didn't like the "how are you so sure" question much either, but I liked the one I quoted even less.
It was literally the exact opposite. It sounded like he knew that toog would flip scum, so I was asking how he knew that. The only way I could think of is he was scum and he'd slipped. But I think I was overreacting
My first paragraph was talking about a completely different post of yours than the "how are you so sure" question.-
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In post 782, Phoenix Wright wrote:Still wasn't buddying. I just think it's weird that there's so much resistance to sir cakez' lynch. People are doing everything they can to pull us in different directions and stop it from going through.
I didn't say it was buddying. I was saying that it could have been, in the case that you are scum, and cleavage and Cakez is town.-
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In post 787, clearance only wrote:That was actually a weird disconnect I just felt.
Like a super blatant wanting the wagon to go through while not wanting it to go through cogdis kinda thing.
Who? and which wagon?-
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In post 793, clearance only wrote:In post 790, Xkfyu wrote:Who? and which wagon?
Was referring to PW's. "everyone is doing whatever they can to not let it go through" which is an echo first and foremost - but also pretty weird to say while not voting cakes and being unsure based on your vote earlier.
Gotcha. Yeah, I see what you're saying.
Those are the kinds of pings that I've been getting in a lot of his posts, but if I had to rank him, I'd put him 3rd or 4th on my scum list, right now.-
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In post 802, clearance only wrote:That was in response to you disagreeing with all my preferred shots.
I actually highly doubt aristo flips town so fuckit if there's no info.
How many scum reads to you actually have?-
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In post 810, clearance only wrote:In post 805, Xkfyu wrote:How many scum reads to you actually have?
How many do you think I have?
Seems like about 12 or so.-
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In post 814, clearance only wrote:I've actually been pretty good this game about not wavering all too much on my townreads save for beeboy recently.
Then there's like 5 or so people who's flips I'd like to see in order from meh to yes please.
Don't get me wrong, I realize that some Role Madness games have multiple factions/3rd parties, so I guess it's entirely possible for there to be a fair amount of scum out there. I just don't get the feeling that this is one of those games.-
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In post 822, clearance only wrote:XK how would you feel about an ari shot?
Totally fine with it. I'm for policy style vig/lynches in games like this where the chances of someone flipping scum are a little higher.-
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In post 828, clearance only wrote:In post 827, Xkfyu wrote:in games like this where the chances of someone flipping scum are a little higher.
Hold up what do you mean by this?
Precisely what it says. I figure that there is probably 3 Mafia, and at least one or two 3rd party roles about. Isn't that normally how Role Madness games are?-
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In post 836, beeboy wrote:In post 833, clearance only wrote:In post 826, beeboy wrote:People are saying it is a good idea.
I mean. We'll wait for a claim I guess.
But it's probably like the best vig shot objectively.
I don't really know why we're wagoning him, though if this is in place of a lynch.
He either flips town and we get screwed or he flips scum and makes no associati\/e tells as he is prepared to die.
PW may not be the only scum on the wagon right now honestly.
Are you really making the argument that killing a scum would be bad because he has not associations with anyone?-
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In post 961, Mirhawk wrote:In post 880, Nahdia wrote:
why would you deprive town of the opportunity to discuss one flip before making the second flip am i seriously misunderstanding or.....???
I agree with this. There's not really any benefit in waiting.
There's been plenty of discussion so we'd get post flip associatives regardless of whether you wait for a L-1 wagon or not.
Ironically enough, if you do actually shoot Ari that's pretty much the only way to not get associatives since even if you do get a wagon on him its just going to be made up of people that are pissed off about the lurking. Which is everyone.
I agree as well. The only reason that I can see to wait is just to get his claim. Otherwise, I think Cookie should go ahead and shoot.-
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In post 966, Dwlee99 wrote:Shoot half way through deadline?
Why delay the inevitable? The earlier they shoot, the more time we have to discuss it.-
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In post 969, Dwlee99 wrote:Halfway through the deadline is plenty of time to discuss it while not being rushed.
Oh, you're suggesting that we wait until we're at the halfway point? Aren't we essentially there, give or take a few hours?