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Yay, my first ever vote!Lowell wrote:unvote, vote jordanfor being scum.Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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You can't fight random.org.Lowell wrote:
That doesn't sound like a denial.JordanA24 wrote:
Yay, my first ever vote!Lowell wrote:unvote, vote jordanfor being scum.Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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Somebody's gotta die
If I go, you gotta go
Somebody's gotta die
Let the gunshots blow
Somebody's gotta die
Nobody gotta know
That I killed yo a** in the mist, kid
Nice rhymes Albert. Any reason?Relax and take notes, while I take tokes of the marijuana smoke
Throw you in a choke - gun smoke, gun smoke
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He could also be potential scum.ryan wrote:
WHY would you bandwagon a potential townie? I'm not sure I like your tacticsLowell wrote:unvote, vote Trustgosspto bandwagon a newbie and make him crack.
How's this, just tell us your scumbuddies and I'll let you live.
Random bandwagons are alright on day 1, they can sometimes make a scum crack under pressure. I once saw a game where the godfather was lynched day 1 based on effectively a random bandwagon.Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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Fair point I suppose, and since we've moved out of the random voting stage,ryan wrote:
I agree that bandwagon's sometimes can get people to crack but isn't it also possible we mess up and nuke one of our townies? That makes me a little uneasy about piling on a newbie who could mess up and get defensive EVEN if they are a townie (saw it happen in a few games I've played). I just would hate to put the axe to one of our own on the first day ya know?JordanA24 wrote:
He could also be potential scum.ryan wrote:
WHY would you bandwagon a potential townie? I'm not sure I like your tacticsLowell wrote:unvote, vote Trustgosspto bandwagon a newbie and make him crack.
How's this, just tell us your scumbuddies and I'll let you live.
Random bandwagons are alright on day 1, they can sometimes make a scum crack under pressure. I once saw a game where the godfather was lynched day 1 based on effectively a random bandwagon.Unvote.Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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By random voting, even though we have a chance of catching scum, we've got a much higher chance of catching a pro-town player, if that vote turns into a random bandwagon, which looked like a possibility, we've got plenty of newbies who'd probably act suspicious under pressure even when they're not scum. That's why I unvoted.Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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I think Albert's posts are definatly something to keep an eye on, is there any role that could possibly have a link with poetry, as I don't think Albert's doing it just to test his poetry skills. But then again, posting restrictions in a game like this seems a bit odd, so, Albert's a bit of a mystery to me.
As for my suspicions, Teffc hasn't made any posts other than a random vote and some blog like things rather than any meaningful conversation, this especially stood out for me:
Is he making a few random/slightly helpful posts to try and make herself look more pro-town than she really is?morning, my computer crashed yesterday and i had to have it fixed...sorry i couldn't post earlier
there are a few persons i would like to see post.
so i'm sticking to my first choice, deezer.
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You mean Lowell & HackerHuck?Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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Well, Deezr was a random vote, Aimee gave a reason, albeit a slightly poor one. But, this early in the game, we certainly don't have concrete evidence on anyone yet, though I agree with you on Lowell being the main suspect so far, joint top with Teffc for reasons stated above.Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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Yep, I'm keeping my vote open until I really believe someone's scum.Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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I'm waiting for someone to act scummishly enough for me to put a vote on them, it doesn't mean I'm not waiting for concrete evidence, like a cop investigation, but I'm not going to put votes on people for next to no reason either.Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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Sorry, supposed to be it doesn't mean Iamwaiting for concrete evidence...Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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Sorry, I really was tired last night, it IS supposed to mean I'm NOT waiting for concrete evidence.Quote:
Sorry, supposed to be it doesn't mean I am waiting for concrete evidence...
so you're saying you may at some point vote out of the blue without anything that's really striking...and you know, you do seem to be contradicting yourself
I just don't want to lynch someone who might have an important pro-town role based on crap evidence and flawed logic.Quote:
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too me it does seem you are trying to play it cool and way too safe. Are you waiting for an opportunity to bandwagon or even hammer someone? YOu have been keeping count of posts and posting and awful lot of theory but no real substance in those posts of yours. You seem to be prodding to see who cracks so you may cling on.
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Unvote
Vote: Ryan
Apologies about that.
Ryan, I'm sorry but like I said you haven't convinced me yet of being innocent and putting a 5th vote on you brings you in danger which is always interesting. Perhaps one of your scum buddies will unvote now to save you, perhaps they'll do the exact opposite and vote as well to look innocent.
I'm not suggesting we should sacrifice you to gain information but I'm willing to put you in danger to get some.FOS:Primorisfor logic which can be described as no more than BS.
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For the same reasons everyone else suspected him, these:Jordan then says dezzr voted Ryan randomly, and I voted with a reason. He then chimes in that Lowell and Teffc are the most suspicious. With Teffc I see your reasoning. With Lowell, I see no reasoning. Why Lowell?
unvote, vote Trustgossp to bandwagon a newbie and make him crack.
How's this, just tell us your scumbuddies and I'll let you live.ryan wrote:
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unvote, vote Trustgossp to bandwagon a newbie and make him crack.
How's this, just tell us your scumbuddies and I'll let you live.
WHY would you bandwagon a potential townie? I'm not sure I like your tactics
My apologies. That bandwagon was totally unnecessary. unvote, vote ryan. FEEEAAR me...
I wasn't backtracking, I wasn't looking for concrete evidence in the first place, my post had simply been misinterpreted. I've already explained my carefulness, though, as you pointed out, it was taken badly, but I'm not backing down.Jordan makes a post saying he isn’t looking for overwhelming concrete evidence to vote for someone. Personally, I see this as a back-track because he knows it has been received badly.
Again, I get misinterpreted, what I said was that newbies may well act suspicious under pressure, not that newbies might vote unpredictably. Don't know where you got that from.Jordan also says that unpredictable newbies could act irrationally and put on votes. I disagree with this, because whilst there are newbies like this, they are unlikely to muster enough votes for a lynch, which would have to have some provocation.
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Sorry. .HackerHuck wrote:Jordan, please try and include names in your quotes. I'm not sure who said what you posted above.Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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Are you saying that me and Teffc are scum, or just Teffc?Albert B. Rampage wrote:Aimee wrote:Albert jumps in with another rhyme, and points suspicion at Lowell and Teffc, yet doesn’t explain why. The two posts he gives as reasons aren’t justifiable of any suspicion. Therefore why do you consider Teffc and Lowell to be the most suspicious?
"Mr. Rampage, can you please explain the meaning behind your violent lyrics?"
Explain tha meaning?? What tha f*** these **** talkin about...
JordanA24 wrote: As for my suspicions,Teffc hasn't made any posts other than a random vote and some blog like things rather than any meaningful conversation, this especially stood out for me:
morning, my computer crashed yesterday and i had to have it fixed...sorry i couldn't post earlier
there are a few persons i would like to see post.
so i'm sticking to my first choice, deezer.Is he making a few random/slightly helpful posts to try and make herself look more pro-town than she really is?
I'm keeping my vote avaliable at the moment but I'mFOS/IGMEOY:TeffcTeffc wrote: Why the bold statement, HackerHuck? Seems to me you are trying to get someone's attention with that. Is there any particular reason for it? Being immune to investigations sounds like a good reason for saying it.
@ Lowell
HH suspects you and all you can reply is
Good post. This guy is town.Feeling safe he is not voting for you?
fosHackerHuck andLowellMy attitude is sh*tty, my message to the censorship comity
Who's tha biggest gang of mafia in the city?
The courts are the crooks
Take a closer look
Gotta watch your back, strapped
Real scum laugh back
If you get your ass taxed, swing your gat back
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So far, I see our main suspects as Teffc and Lowell.
For starters both haven't posted on this page at all, that's 2 days, although they haven't posted anywhere else either. But I still want to see a bit more defense, especially from Lowell. Teffc's last post said that she didn't suspect Ryan, and that sometimes mafia act so protown they are never suspected. (Pointing towards HH maybe?) I don't see anything hugely wrong with that.
But Lowell's last post I really didn't like:
What's wrong with a summary of the game, particularly one as useful and correct as that one? What doubts I already had about him have now been amplified by that.Lowell wrote:That summary of Aimee's makes me weirdly suspcious, but I'm not sure why. M'eh.
Teffc's posting patterns up to this point, I think indicate newbie scum or a power role, but Lowell has just acted like scum to me. In fact, I'm so sure, I'm going toVote:Lowell, and give Teffc anFOS.
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I suggest everyone who's voting Ryan unvote him and put it somewhere decent, he clearly isn't the best lynch for today.Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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Lowell (Post 114).ryan wrote:Where are you putting your vote at Jordan?Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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Well, Ryan's bandwagon was mostly because people had a slight suspicion about his safe voting tactics, and some cited not voting Lowell even though he was sure as a reason EVEN THOUGH HE DID VOTE LOWELL.
Also, apart from deezr's random vote, Lowell, who is scum, was the first to vote for him for seemingly no reason at all. It seems obvious to me that either Lowell or Teffc are by far better lynches for today.Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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How about Lowell today, hopefully your scumbuddy tomorrow, sounds about right to me.Lowell wrote:@Jordan- Okay, okay, we get it. You're upset that we're trying to lynch your scumbuddy. Sheesh.
Seriously, you're trying to present a "most likely" scenario that doesn't include ryan, just cuz you *wubs* him too much? Does that, like, EVER work?
Ryan today, Jordan tomorrow, celebratory wine and cheese for all after.
Trying not to mimic Ryan, your post is pathetic and trying to distract everyone else from your scumminess with a last ditch attempt to wildly pinpoint the blame elsewhere. I'm also feeling very happy with my vote, it certainly isn't going anywhere else today.Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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Lowell, WTF?! You are the worst scum I've come across in a long time, first, you go with the rest of the town, which is typical scum behaviour, even though you admit you have no idea what the case against her is. And then to compound your error, you OMGUS a random vote when the random/OMGUS voting stage has passed more than a week ago.
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How is this an argument for quiet players being helpful for the town? How's 'flying under the radar by not posting things that could get them into trouble' possibly going to be of any use to us? Discussion = Scum being outed.ryan wrote:
Your entitled to your opinion. My argument that quiet players are helpful for us townies is basically this, people who are quiet on this game usually have something to hide and are hoping that they fly under the radar by not posting things that could get them into trouble. Those people are usually the ones that with a few votes or by "calling them out" will make a mistake and make it easier for us to vote them off. I dont know why putting "us townies" is any different than how others have?Lowell wrote:I'm going back tounvote, vote ryan. Your last few posts have been a bit off, in my opinion. Something about the way you wrote "us townies" and argued that quiet players are actually HELPFUL doesn't sit right.
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Oh right, sorry.ryan wrote:Thanks for misreading my post. I said that when people try and fly under the radar it makes it easier for us to vote them off because they aren't contributing anyway. Obviously your scumdar needs a few screws tightened because it's WAY off if you think I'm scum
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I'm supportive of Ryan because I don't think he's scum and I agree with his ideas. I assure you we have no connection with each other at all, we just agree that Lowell is obvious scum, I have no idea why you don't see this, Lowell really should be dead by now as far as I'm concerned.Aimee wrote:
You understand this is horribly supportive of Ryan?Jordan wrote:Well, Ryan's bandwagon was mostly because people had a slight suspicion about his safe voting tactics, and some cited not voting Lowell even though he was sure as a reason EVEN THOUGH HE DID VOTE LOWELL.
Also, apart from deezr's random vote, Lowell, who is scum, was the first to vote for him for seemingly no reason at all. It seems obvious to me that either Lowell or Teffc are by far better lynches for today.Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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Lowell is scum, no two ways about it, his posts have been scummy all the way. Teffc isn't far behind for obvious reasons.Sweenytodd wrote: Jordan: Please respond to this, explain this to me...I wrote:
Soo... the main suspects are the two with the second and third most votes? I will concede that I don't like Teffc's posts at all but why is Ryan being given a pass?Jordan wrote: So far, I see our main suspects as Teffc and Lowell.
But I've, on the whole, agreed with Ryan's opinions, especially about Lowell=Scum. His posts have been full of content and say to me he's actively looking for scum. Also, the reason for his initial bandwagon was poor and started by Lowell.
Therefore, Ryan (for now) is given a pass.
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Right, here's what I think:
Scum: Lowell
FraggleScum
IGMEOY: Primoris
Still think that post of yours a few pages ago was suspicious, and now you're borderline Lurking, post more or this may be upgraded.
Town for now:
Aimee
HackerHuck
Albert
Ryan
Aimee's summary and subsequent posts have been very pro-town, and HackerHuck I think has been very active in trying to catch scum, even though I think he has the wrong guy at the moment. And I don't think scum would have the sort of posting restriction Albert has.
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What do you mean why?! I've already given loads of reasoning for Lowell (why isn't he dead yet?), and FraggleScum was Teffc, who looked like a newbie who couldn't handle a scum role.HackerHuck wrote:
WHY?JordanA24 wrote:Right, here's what I think:
Scum: Lowell
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I find Alberts post restriction very odd as well, but, would you really post like he's doing without a restricion?Sweenytodd wrote: Hey Jordan, any reason for this:
I can't think of why any of us would be post restricted.. Especially if it's just one person so I am suspicious of it...JordanA24 wrote:And I don't think scum would have the sort of posting restriction Albert has.
I just don't think that scum would have a poetry type posting restriction. If he is scum, it's either very WIFOM, or he's a Mafia Restriction Faker, and I doubt we have one of those.Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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Just look back through mine and Lowells posts and you'll find all the evidence you need to see him as scum.Aimee wrote:unvote Fraggle/Teffc... hi!
Jordan and Ryan, what is involved in your case against Lowell, ignoring a few jokey posts? Have you thought that this is maybe Lowell's playstyle at all?
And what about Fraggle? You understand he can't justify any of Teffc's actions at all, and should be judged - almost - independently from Teffc, although granted, Teffc's actions still have some bearing.
So to conclude - what's your case?
As for Fraggle, what do you mean he should be judged independently from Teffc? They're the same player, Teffc couldn't handle the scum role, why should we ignore this when judging Fraggle?Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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No, I'd just be repeating myself if I did summarize.HackerHuck wrote:
Are you simply incapable of summarizing and presenting your cases against Lowell and Teffc?JordanA24 wrote:
Just look back through mine and Lowells posts and you'll find all the evidence you need to see him as scum.Aimee wrote:unvote Fraggle/Teffc... hi!
Jordan and Ryan, what is involved in your case against Lowell, ignoring a few jokey posts? Have you thought that this is maybe Lowell's playstyle at all?
And what about Fraggle? You understand he can't justify any of Teffc's actions at all, and should be judged - almost - independently from Teffc, although granted, Teffc's actions still have some bearing.
So to conclude - what's your case?
As for Fraggle, what do you mean he should be judged independently from Teffc? They're the same player, Teffc couldn't handle the scum role, why should we ignore this when judging Fraggle?Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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Oh for God's sake there's so many things wrong with that post.HackerHuck wrote:
How is it repeating yourself when you never made a case to begin with?JordanA24 wrote:
No, I'd just be repeating myself if I did summarize.HackerHuck wrote:
Are you simply incapable of summarizing and presenting your cases against Lowell and Teffc?JordanA24 wrote:
Just look back through mine and Lowells posts and you'll find all the evidence you need to see him as scum.Aimee wrote:unvote Fraggle/Teffc... hi!
Jordan and Ryan, what is involved in your case against Lowell, ignoring a few jokey posts? Have you thought that this is maybe Lowell's playstyle at all?
And what about Fraggle? You understand he can't justify any of Teffc's actions at all, and should be judged - almost - independently from Teffc, although granted, Teffc's actions still have some bearing.
So to conclude - what's your case?
As for Fraggle, what do you mean he should be judged independently from Teffc? They're the same player, Teffc couldn't handle the scum role, why should we ignore this when judging Fraggle?
Since you seem to have forgotten why you think Teffc is scum, try using the view all posts by user function at the bottom of the page. If that doesn't jar your memory, you might want to at least make something up.
Targeting lurkers/inactives on day one is a copout and a hallmark of opportunistic scum. Replacing an inactive is generally good, since inactivityis nota scum tell.
My case against Teffc was because of her very contentless posts and her unfounded suspicions of you, and I think you, for now, is the most pro-town player here.
And for the record, I was asking the mod to prod the lurkers, hardly targetting them is it? And I didn't say replacing a player is a bad thing, it's just that Teffc acted scummy before Fraggle replaced her, and we shouldn't just completely ignore that.Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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Why Ryan, and WHY ALBERT? (And if you're, as I'm suspecting, OMGUSing again, you're dead meat.)Lowell wrote:I've got two scum now. Ryan and Albert. Discuss.
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And how am I piggybacking? I'm the one (with help from Ryan), that came up with Lowell as scum in the first place, and I've not changed my vote since. And I'm vocalizing opinions, I've made numerous good points about Lowell, me and Ryan just happen to have the same opinion, but I've already said, there's absolutely no connection between us. And the only reason I backtracked the last time was because HH wasn't adressing me when he made that rather strong post.TrustGossip wrote:Jordan: looks increasingly like a piggybacker. In the beginning of the game I didn't think much of his support for ryan because I was also supporting ryan's innocence. But he seems to be unable to vocalize an opinion that dissents from ryan's unless someone like HackerHuck points out a logical fallacy and Jordan quickly backtracks but doesn't really explain himself.Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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Regardless of whether or not Lowell turns up scum, Fraggle is next on my list. Although if Lowell is town, I'll be slightly more suspcious of Ryan.Sweenytodd wrote:Okay Jordan, here are my questions for you...Let's pretend that Lowell is innocent, or even if we lynch him and he comes up innocent, then who do you suspect... I mean thats my problem with this kind of one sided crusade... Here are some questions for you... If Lowell is scum, who would you suspect next to go after tomorrow, and if he is innocent, who should we go after... Who else is suspicious and do those suspicions tie into the results for lowell...?
TrustGossip: Ty so much for putting that list together, that helps me a lot to understand where you're coming from...
Fragglescum: I'm not going to argue that Teffc made no sense.. That much is obvious... What I want to know is, having read this game as I am going to assume you have done at this time... What do you think about the current cases? How do you like the Lowell wagon? How about Ryan? Aside from the idea that Albert is breadcrumbing SK or Vig, do you think he makes good points with his posts despite the restriction? What do you think of Aimee or Primoris?
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Right then Aimee, here we go
Jokey maybe, but still attempting a random bandwagon.Lowell wrote:unvote, vote Trustgosspto bandwagon a newbie and make him crack.
How's this, just tell us your scumbuddies and I'll let you live.
Changing vote for no reason, and onto a player I consider pro-townLowell wrote:
My apologies. That bandwagon was totally unnecessary.ryan wrote:
WHY would you bandwagon a potential townie? I'm not sure I like your tacticsLowell wrote:unvote, vote Trustgosspto bandwagon a newbie and make him crack.
How's this, just tell us your scumbuddies and I'll let you live.unvote, vote ryan. FEEEAAR me...
Don't know what this is all about.Lowell wrote:
Good post. This guy is town.HackerHuck wrote:I personally like to see who jumps on and off of wagons on day one.
Plays it safe but feels that Lowell is guilty?
Vote: Ryan
That is very suspicious, questioning a very good summary for liitle reason.Lowell wrote:That summary of Aimee's makes me weirdly suspcious, but I'm not sure why. M'eh.
Trying to shift suspicion onto me and Ryan for daring to question him.Lowell wrote:@Jordan- Okay, okay, we get it. You're upset that we're trying to lynch your scumbuddy. Sheesh.
Seriously, you're trying to present a "most likely" scenario that doesn't include ryan, just cuz you *wubs* him too much? Does that, like, EVER work?
Ryan today, Jordan tomorrow, celebratory wine and cheese for all after.
Still going after Ryan with next to no evidence, and then just hopping onto the most popular bandwagon citing his reason as 'people like it'. Classic scum.Lowell wrote:
1. I'm not going to be lynched. If you want me dead you'll have to do it yourself tonight.ryan wrote:^^^ Lowell that was as useless of a post as you've posted in awhile now. I definetly feel much better about my vote now, you are definetly scum and you show it by not helping us find the scum. Seriously what does that post tell us? That you're mad because Jordan stood up to you? You are mad that I voted you? Or you feel as though you are going to be killed and it's a last dash effort to save your own backside by throwing out my name and Jordan's and saying we are scum together?
2. A "last ditch" effort, at 3 votes??? Good times.
3. My vote on you was for the way you attacked early bandwaggoners before the bandwaggon even took off. I believe you said something stupid like someone was a "potential townie".
All that said, I'm no longer sure you're scum, if for no other reason than because this connection between you and Jordan is becoming too intense-- I would have expected a little distancing by now if you were both scum. Let me find another wagon to join.unvote, vote teffc. I have no idea what the case is against him, but other people seem to like it, so I'm there!
OMGUS, on Page 6!? Either desperate scum or incredibly stupid town.Lowell wrote:Wait, do I still have someone's random vote on me? Screw this:
unvote, vote OTU. I can OMGUS with the best of them.
In response to:Lowell wrote:Nope.
Refusing to give a defense, again, very scummy.JordanA24 wrote:Lowell, WTF?! You are the worst scum I've come across in a long time, first, you go with the rest of the town, which is typical scum behaviour, even though you admit you have no idea what the case against her is. And then to compound your error, you OMGUS a random vote when the random/OMGUS voting stage has passed more than a week ago.
Fellow townies, we've caught scum.
Still trying to shift suspicion.Lowell wrote:New people are always good. All the better to read scumtells from...
Now trying gather pity in desperation as he sees the case mounting against him.Lowell wrote:
Good post. This guy is town.Sweenytodd wrote:Oooh... and that vote count reminds me toVote: Ryan
Now comes the part where opportunists jump on me!
And finally, WTF is this?!Lowell wrote:I've got two scum now. Ryan and Albert. Discuss.
I can't talk now (internet cafe), but will write more when I get back to work on Tuesday.
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So, Albert does one thing, which, incidently, is vote for you, and you're convinced he's scum. By the looks of it, you're either STILL OMGUSing, or your trying to bully people into not voting for you, either way, both scummy.Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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Sweenytodd wrote: In the initial post Jordan seems to be of the mindset that a good random bandwagon can be useful, something echoed by myself, Hackerhuck, and Aimee specifically I believe... And now in his most recent post he uses this post and the analysis that Lowell is scummy because of "attempting a random bandwagon"... Which is it Jordan?
The second one, opinions change. Often, when newbies are put under pressure, they make mistakes that make them look really scummy.
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To deliberately quote this post in a case against him is ludacris. In this post he shows exactly what he is looking for and someone hops right on?Lowell wrote:Good post. This guy is town.
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Now comes the part where opportunists jump on me!
Lowell has allowed himself to garner attention because he doesn't mind putting himself in danger to find scum... It strikes me as a pro-town attitude because scum cannot afford to put themselves on the line.
I know that I put myself on the line defending Lowell but I simply do not see the case for him... I am asking for him to respond to my comments but the more I think about it the more I understand his play. Please I ask everyone in this game to respond to my analysis... If I am wrong about the utility of bandwagons, prove it to me... If I mischaracterize someone's intentions please let me know... What am I missing from Lowell's posts that is so scummy?
Lowell's not searching for reactions, I've already said, he's trying to bully people into not voting for him.
As for the rest of the post, I've already posted all the evidence that there is for Lowell being scum, now it's up to the rest of the town to believe me. I'm willing to put my head on the line if Lowell isn't scum.Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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*bump*
Why isn't Lowell dead yet?
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Fine, we wait for him to post, then lynch him. I've given all my evidence against Lowell, more than enough for him to be scum I think. You can think what you like, but I'll be suspicious of you when he comes up scum.Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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Lowell, your analysis of Aimee's "blow-by-blow" is ridiculous and you know it, how on Earth is it opinion dry, and while she FOS'ed 4 players, it was on Page 4 for crying out loud. And to be honest, a lot of us, me included I'll admit, we're acting suspicious, I hope I've made up for it.
Anyway, you're calling my so called "scum tactics" crazy, you've been pointing out perfectly sound posts as suspect, FOS'ed some very pro-town players, have been OMGUSing left, right and centre and now you're giving preposterous reasons for all this, you've been scummy all game and every post makes you look worse and worse, here is our scum, lynch him.Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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I'm only lynch happy because I'm so sure Lowell's scum.TrustGossip wrote:
It's posts like this that make me doubt my conscience.Lowell wrote:
*clap clap clap*Sweenytodd wrote:
Probably has something to do with him promising to post on Tuesday and most of the town being unimpressed with the case you have made against him...Lowell wrote:Why isn't Lowell dead yet?
But seriously, Jordan, if I doubted before, I don't now. Sweeny did an excellent rundown of your insane scum tactics.
@sweeny- It's hard to put my finger on why Aimee's post(s) looks scummy. Here's the best way I can describe it. The "blow-by-blow" post seems a little opinion-dry. As in, heavy on narration, but not really saying anything. The second post, "player-by-player", casts TOO WIDE a net for my taste. She doesn't want to exonerate anyone or implicate anyone. Not really.
It could be that she just doesn't have that many strong opinions. Which is why I didn't vote for her. But I would be remiss if I let that post slide with everyone saying how great it was without me mentioning my little bit of doubt.
On one hand, his reasonings on aimee are very astute and spot-on, indicating a healthy amount of pro-town suspicion on some scummy behavior. On the other hand, this information is only really revealed as Lowell senses that he's on the chopping block, and could be an attempt to throw suspicion on another person. Further more, it's somewhat convenient that he came up to the same opinion/yet non-opinion about aimee as I did.
However, Lowell's lucidity is making him increasingly less suspcious, while Jordan's lynch happy tactics make me decidedlyunhappy.
Unvote: Vote JordanA24
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Primoris I understand, but HH? He's seemed quite pro-town to me. He's been gone for 4 days, that doesn't make him a lurker.Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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They're posting elsewhere, so maybe they needTrustGossip wrote: I have some strange feeling towards HH and Primoris. Although I wouldn't feel right calling it suspicion. It's more of a general anxiety about the lack of contribution. I haven't looked at their posting histories, are they genuinely away or lurking?prodding.Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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I'm almost tempted to vote Primoris, I've never liked his play, he seeems to be intentionally lurking, and for some reason, nobody but Ryan and our suicidal poet seems to agree that our Scummy McLowellScum is scum.TrustGossip wrote:
That makes me so uneasy. Don't people know how to use "watched topics"? If they know that, then they're intentionally lurking, which makes me even MORE uneasy.JordanA24 wrote:
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If me and Ryan were scum, we simply wouldn't make so obvious we were scumbuddies, a tactic like that wouldn't be WIFOM, it'd be plain stupid. And OTU is getting replaced, who hopefully will have the sense to keep the vote on you, rather than OWN it, as you so put it.Lowell wrote:
1) I wanted to get OTU's attention with that vote. Really, this bandwagon is so stupid it makes me crazy. One RANDOM vote (his only post so far this game), followed by ryan and jordan scumteam teaming up to get me to 3 votes. Ridiculous. I want OTU to OWN his vote on me or get lost. People won't realize just how scummy this bandwagon is until the random votes leave.Sweenytodd wrote:Lowell, if you are still around today please respond to these...
What is this all about?Lowell wrote:Wait, do I still have someone's random vote on me? Screw this:
unvote, vote OTU. I can OMGUS with the best of them.
Also Lowell:Sweenytodd wrote:Do you believe that something obvious (like a Jordan-Ryan pair) would be likely? IT seems that there are too many connections between them that its unlikely to me...
2) I do find it strange that ryan and jordan would buddy up together so much if they were scum. But really, that's the ultimate in WIFOM (ooh, scum would NEVER be so obvious, so we're not scum). More importantly, I really think they thought I would be a quick, easy lynch and that everyone would rally around killing me, thus making their like-mindedness not so obvious in the midst of a mob. As it is, they can't get people to vote for me and they're becoming increasinly exposed.Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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Primoris is almost as suspicious as Lowell to me (See Post 279), you appear reasonably pro-town, despite replacing Teffc, and if Lowell somehow turns out to be innocent, I'd be rather more suspicious of Ryan.FraggleScum wrote:I have a question I want to make sure I ask you guys...
Ryan and Jordan: If we lynch Lowell today, and he turns out to be innocent, how do you see days 2 and maybe 3 going? What would you do?
Lowell: Same question: If we lynch Ryan or Jordan...and they are innocent...what do you think our approach should be Day 2?
I ask because none of you have convinced me yet, but we seem to be bouncing back and forth between the three of you a lot in these pages. So I just want to hear from you and make sure you have some sort of thought about the future.Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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O RLY?ryan wrote:What about you Aimee? You've been fairly quiet when it comes to identifying a scum, what say you?
Aimee wrote:Well, you guys did say you wanted a long post from me so... brace yourself! Not only have I got one long post, I have another! I sound like some kind of weird salesman, so on that note, let's begin.
Game Timeline (and my thoughts)
Game start. Random voting occurs. Teffc asks if anyone hasn’t posted. Everyone random voted, with the exception of HackerHuck, who randomly chose ranom.org, but Albert B. Rampage was the last to random vote, yet the second to post. He also spoke in poetry. Lowell was the first person to accuse someone else of being scum and change his vote – although this was obviously random.
A vote count early on page 2 reveals no early leader of votes, although TrustGossip got two random votes (the highest). And JordanA24 is the first to point out Albert’s rhyming.
Lowell then jumps on the random TrustGossip bandwagon. Ryan seems to have the biggest issue with this, but JordanA24 points out that random bandwagons can be in fact beneficial. Lowell then votes Ryan, perhaps for his reaction to Lowell’s vote.
Ryan justifies his position, saying it is possible that “we mess up”, which could lead to a townie’s lynch, which makes him feel “uneasy”. Personally I disagree. Random bandwagon’s often don’t lead to that person’s lynch, but they provide us with valuable information – the reactions of the accused, who jumped on the bandwagon and often where the next bandwagon forms. In short – the random bandwagon is very useful. Yet interestingly, JordanA24 agrees with Ryan and unvotes (he had been voting TrustGossip).
Ryan votes Lowell, yet explains that it was because bandwagonning is wrong. I disagree. Lowell was bringing out a reaction and not doing anything scummy. This vote puzzles me.
Primoris disagrees that random bandwagons are bad, and points out the TrustGossip wasn’t in any danger – he only had three votes. He then accuses JordanA24 of “playing too safe” for unvoting TrustGossip. Jordan counters that the random bandwagon has a higher chance of catching a pro-town player than a mafia player, but that begs the question, without random voting, where would we be? Jordan also says that unpredictable newbies could act irrationally and put on votes. I disagree with this, because whilst there are newbies like this, they are unlikely to muster enough votes for a lynch, which would have to have some provocation.
Ryan seems to misinterpret the “playing it safe” accusation as if it was against him (understandable, as I did first time too). But he says that he does play it safe, yet feels that Lowell’s “tactics” are scummy. HackerHuck rightly points out that bandwagons are effective to see who jumps on and off, and also attacks Ryan for playing it safe, yet thinking Lowell is guilty. Ryan counters this seemingly by accusing HackerHuck of playing it safe, which I don’t particularly understand. When did HackerHuck play it safe?
Teffc again seems to want some other people to speak up. I would agree with this, since at this point Albert, myself, TrustGossip, OverTheUnder and dezzr hadn’t posted. Teffc for this reason sticks to his random vote of dezzr. Don’t you think it is a bit early for a lurker hunt, Teffc?
I point out that playing it safe isn’t a good strategy for town, and Lowell agrees with HackerHuck, saying “this guy is town”. Whilst I wouldn’t go that far, I do agree that HackerHuck is seeming pro-town at the moment.
Albert jumps in with another rhyme, and points suspicion at Lowell and Teffc, yet doesn’t explain why. The two posts he gives as reasons aren’t justifiable of any suspicion. Therefore why do you consider Teffc and Lowell to be the most suspicious?
Primoris says that Albert doesn’t post like this in other games. He also says that whilst playing it safe is bad for the town, he doesn’t think that Ryan is, although no explanation is given.
Jordan also says he finds Albert’s poetry odd, but says that a post-restriction like that in a game like this would be weird. Um, why? It is a mini theme game, so anything is possible, to an extent. Jordan also accuses Teffc, saying she just jumps in to say she is still around, yet doesn’t contribute anything. I would have to agree with this.
HackerHuck had said earlier that he is always town. I took that as a joke, yet Teffc seemed to take it seriously, wondering whether HackerHuck had any investigation immunity. Er, slightly early for role fishing like that. She then says that HackerHuck suspected Lowell (actually didn’t), yet Lowell considers him town. She then places FoSes on both, for reasons that are pretty illogical to me anyway. Another explanation here, Teffc?
HackerHuck says rightly that Teffc is looking into that too much, and said he never suspected Lowell at all. Would it also be correct, that your “I am always town” statement was random? That’s what I interpreted it as, anyway. Ryan then asks Teffc is she considers HackerHuck to be scum.
A vote count reveals that Ryan is heading the vote count, yet still at lynch -3. Nothing else stands out except that Albert, TrustGossip, OverTheUnder and dezzr haven’t changed their random votes.
Ryan’s response to this is basically that he thinks Lowell has “shown enough scummy tendencies” (?) and that we also have a fair share of lurkers. Ryan, what is your case against Lowell?
TrustGossip comes on and votes Albert, saying that he isn’t a fan of his cryptic messages. He also promises to write more later, which hasn’t so far happened. What are your feelings on everyone else, TrustGossip?
Teffc says that HackerHuck is acting “too clean”, which could be a tactic to “throw us off”. Er, this is slightly exaggerated. HackerHuck made (what I perceive) to be a joke and a random statement, but you seem to have formed a case against him because of this, which revolves around being too clean and having investigation immunity. Do you have a proper case against HackerHuck?
HackerHuck says there is a problem with the vote count, but Ryan jumps in basically saying that HH is lynch happy. Dude, he was checking a vote count. And Teffc also says she was putting HH under pressure to see how he would react. Actually, HH didn’t really panic, and it was a pretty weak case, Teffc. In fact, it comes across far worse on your side. She also misinterprets Ryan’s lynch happy claim as being at her, when it was clearly aimed at HH. Ryan says this was maybe a “scum slipup.” Ryan actually argues this well, there is no reason for Teffc to be lynch happy – she isn’t even voting! HH just dismisses Ryan’s claims, yet Teffc says Ryan was being “ironic”. How so?
Ryan then says he is sure that there are two scum on the bandwagon. Not sure how you got to that. After Jordan asks if it is HH and Lowell, Ryan responds that it is either myself or dezzr for lurking. This whole point is just totally bizarre. I can’t understand this, personally. Firstly, why two scum? Secondly, why Lowell as scum? Thirdly, why not HH?
Jordan then says dezzr voted Ryan randomly, and I voted with a reason. He then chimes in that Lowell and Teffc are the most suspicious. With Teffc I see your reasoning. With Lowell, I see no reasoning. Why Lowell?
Jordan also doesn’t vote, something which Ryan and HH both rightly point out. He says that neither are worthy of a vote yet, but Jordan also says he is waiting for concrete evidence. Even if you aren’t willing to vote for them, why not put on a FoS? And what concrete evidence are you going to get on day 1, especially after no night faze?
HH implies that Jordan is a cop by saying he isn’t going to get any guilty cop results on day 1. Ryan attacks this as being “impatient or opportunistic”. To be honest, I am unusure what to make of this at all.
Primoris makes a point that Jordan could be using the “concrete evidence” reason as a way to just against an innocent player. He also says that Jordan and ryan have been playing non-agressively, whilst HH and Lowell have been playing towards a lynch, which is better. I am inclined to agree. He also points out Ryan hasn’t done anything to convince him of his innocence. He therefore votes against Ryan, putting him at lynch -2.
Teffc points out what Primoris just said, that Jordan could use the “concrete evidence” argument ot just vote an innocent. Teffc also says he is “playing it safe.” I find it interesting that Primoris made both these accusations earlier, and now Teffc makes them. Whilst they are both true, I don’t really see this as adding new information, just a way for Teffc of looking like pro-town.
Teffc also says HH is acting suspicious because he isn’t explaining his actions, but I don’t really see what HH has to explain, frankly. HH may be playing aggressively, but he isn’t doing anything that is outright suspicious right now. Teffc, what is your case against HH?
Ryan disagrees with Primoris’ “voting tactics”. He also says that “being inclined to lynch someone isn’t a good thing.” True, but it is better than being indecisive and weak. Although I am not directly accusing you of this. Ryan also takes another stab at lurkers, and then says that HH is trying to start bandwagon’s against townies.
Jordan makes a post saying he isn’t looking for overwhelming concrete evidence to vote for someone. Personally, I see this as a back-track because he knows it has been received badly. He also emphasises the accusation he has been playing too safely because he says he doesn’t want to lynch someone for crap-logic or illogical evidence. True, but you understand that putting a vote on someone isn’t inherently bad, and can actually be beneficial overall? Vote patterns are a really important way of judging the game.
Teffc then says that Ryan isn’t really guilty, and that the bandwagon was started by Lowell’s “pressure tactics”, or Ryan’s disagreements to that.
Primoris puts a pressure vote against Ryan (it didn’t count firstly) saying he is prepared to put Ryan in danger to see his reaction. Ryan takes this in a defeatist way, saying that lynching him is a bad play. Um, Ryan, Primoris was saying that it wouldn’t be a good idea to lynch you.
But Jordan seems to agree with Ryan, saying that Primoris’ “pressure” theory is nothing more than BS, and that he hasn’t liked Primoris’ last posts.Aimee wrote:So, that is what has happened through the game. Now I will do a player analysis.
I am suspicious ofAlbert B. Rampage’spoetry. I am pretty sure this is a post restriction at work. I want him to explain if he can why he has to post like this.
Dezzrhas obviously lurked and needs a prod.
I feel overall thatHackerHuckis playing slightly aggressively, but I believe is acting in the interests of the town, and is an active and beneficial player. I don’t see the cases against him.
JordanI initially saw as pro-town, but he has come back with some bizarre suspicions, and has notably played safely without taking risks with voting, which I see as quite crucial. This is maybe a way to get out of the blame when voting can be fully analysed later.
LowellI initially saw as just searching for reactions. However, the fact that he is quite obviously lurking and not contributing just emphasises the way that maybe he was just starting a case against Ryan for the sake of it. I am less impressed than I was.
OverTheUnderneeds a prod, as a lurker.
I seePrimorisas a very helpful member of the town at the moment, and feel that his analysis has often be very accurate.
AlthoughRyanhas made some good points, I feel that his cases and points against Lowell, especially HH have been unjustified and illogical. I want to know his cases against them.
Teffcis really acting scummy. She has attacked HH for seemingly little reason, and has been making points I feel for the sake of making points – to appear pro-town. Some of her analysis is just a mirror of other people’s, and I have yet to see any major opinions from her (with the exception of her bizarre case against HH).
TrustGossipI haven’t really got an opinion on, but I want to hear his summary. In fact, I see him as a potential lurker.
So, as a result...
unvote, as I will probably re-vote determining the reactions to my summary.
FoS: JordanA24, Lowell, Ryan and Teffc
Minor FoS: Albert B. Rampage and TrustGossipAimee wrote:A lot seems to have happened since my last post. Welcome, Sweenytodd!
Um, that's actually a pretty weak case, you understand?Ryan wrote: Hackerhuck: Became defensive right away with my random.org vote. Very strange to tell somebody they suck when the vote was RANDOM. I’ve always said that early posts tell a lot about how people play and immediately I saw this as strange how he misconstrued my vote. Than jumps on me because I didn’t like how Lowell bandwagon voted and says I’m not playing it “safe” like I earlier said? How is one vote on somebody not playing it safe? Post 64 asking me what I thought about the “bandwagon on me” also seemed rather odd.
Pressurising non-voters is a horrible strategy, especially since 1) we aren't in a deadline and 2) they could be not voting for a reason. It is horribly aggressive and pushy, and has continued for several pages. Any reason why?Ryan wrote:To you townies that still haven't voted it's time to step up and take out the trash. There are scum that have targeted me, do not let them take me out, I am a pro town player and am more helpful alive than dead, trust me.
You understand this is horribly supportive of Ryan?Jordan wrote:Well, Ryan's bandwagon was mostly because people had a slight suspicion about his safe voting tactics, and some cited not voting Lowell even though he was sure as a reason EVEN THOUGH HE DID VOTE LOWELL.
Also, apart from deezr's random vote, Lowell, who is scum, was the first to vote for him for seemingly no reason at all. It seems obvious to me that either Lowell or Teffc are by far better lynches for today.
I also agree with what Sweenytodd says a lot of the time, especially with Lowell's bizarre suspicion arising from it. I agreed with what Sweenytodd says, which therefore surprised me when both Ryan ( I can understand) and TrustGossip decided to defend Ryan.
Also, how are bandwagons inherently bad? I am of the belief we need a random bandwagon to start day 1. By using bandwagons, we can assess vote-hopping, reactions ot the bandwagons and who is on and off bandwagons at all times. They can be incredibly valuable, paradoxically, for town.
FoS: Ryan, for some rather faulty logic here. Note, I won't be putting a vote on, but I don't understand why Sweenytodd putting Ryan at -2 was so shockingly awful.
Just to quote a few.Aimee wrote:Seeing as Jordan effectively challenged us to go throught his posts to find his case on Lowell, I did so.
Despite the fact he "vocalises his opinions" in his own words, his actually case against Lowell isn't apparent. Yes, there is a lot of defence of Ryan. Yes, there is a lot of "Lowell is obvious scum, he should be lynched NOW." However, only ONE post has an actual case against Lowell, and even then it merely focuses on one of Lowell's posts.
To therefore say that you would be "summarising" if you gave your case again, is inherently wrong. We don't know your case against Lowell. There have been chances to do it, but you have just breezed past them.
FoS: Jordan
Saying "Lowell is obvious scum" doesn't cut it anymore. A proper case against Lowell is required.
And Ryan, this isn't for you to answer. So don't. Let Jordan answer first, so that I can finally see 100% what his case is.Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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I've read a few games with him in, he's probs a Scorpio like me.Aimee wrote:And also: Jordan are you Rosso Carne in disguise?
And as for me fingering Ryan, what he said about Aimee was simply Craplogic, he could have just said that he wanted Aimee's reaction on current events, rather than say outright that she wasn't trying to catch scum, which is absolute BS.I appreciate he's been going after Lowell, but his crap post made me very suspicious all the same.Please delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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