Just read this. There is probably a term for this that I can't remember now, but she is speculating and she is providing reasoning for things that have not happened, as if she is in penguin's mind. And all that with zero interaction with penguin.In post 1540, Mirari wrote:She's certainly gearing up for a Mala vote but isn't ready to commit because she wants to be able to judge the lifespan of that potential wagon. She is saddling her suspicions of Mala to keep her options open when the wagon on me inevitably fails. She wants it to fail so she can be absolved of switching to Mala closer to deadline.
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Bullshit. He basically told scum to kill someone else, who will most likely have a stronger power role than him. It makes zero sense as town.In post 1544, Mirari wrote:To confirm himself and mess with scum's minds? Throwing out claims is a sure for way to trick scum into suboptimal kill choices.-
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You need to work with her on what your alignment is?In post 1541, Malakittens wrote:Because I actually want to work with her, but I need to know her thoughts before I go ahead and try to work with her and she flips out on me.
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That's a complete misrep.In post 1549, Malakittens wrote:That's hilarious. Trying to discredit my read on you because I read you wrong in the past.
There have been people (like Mirari) who have said that your presence on penguin's wagon is good because you know how to read her. She was proving that point incorrect.-
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sorry, I'm trying not to butt in but can't help itIn post 1552, penguin_alien wrote:P-edit #3: WISDOM STOP TAKING MY THOUGHTS!-
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Yes, THIS has happened. All your other overexplanation over why it happened hasn't. And it's scum that post those.In post 1557, Mirari wrote:
This has happened. Peng already stated willingness to vote Mala if my lynch doesn't go through (which it isnt).In post 1546, Wisdom wrote:
Just read this. There is probably a term for this that I can't remember now, but she is speculating and she is providing reasoning for things that have not happened, as if she is in penguin's mind. And all that with zero interaction with penguin.In post 1540, Mirari wrote:She's certainly gearing up for a Mala vote but isn't ready to commit because she wants to be able to judge the lifespan of that potential wagon. She is saddling her suspicions of Mala to keep her options open when the wagon on me inevitably fails. She wants it to fail so she can be absolved of switching to Mala closer to deadline.
If you are town, you do not KNOW for a fact that penguin is scum. You want to interact with her to get more information and ensure that you are right. Your attitude has been "penguin is scum, we need to lynch her, I dont need to interact with her" and your statement here ("i dont see the point in interacting with scum") further confirms that. That's not a town mindset.I don't see the point in trying to convince a scum it is scum. I'm interacting with you right now because I think you are town.-
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Nope. You are struggling to find town motivation in Matt's claim when there's none. Which makes no sense considering you displayed confidence in the claim coming from town.In post 1561, Mirari wrote:
If you are going with that logic it does. Matt might be egotistical and think his life is worth more than any other player in the game. Getting them to reevaluate a kill on potentially strong scumhunt Matt for a strong pr is indirectly town oriented.In post 1547, Wisdom wrote:
Bullshit. He basically told scum to kill someone else, who will most likely have a stronger power role than him. It makes zero sense as town.In post 1544, Mirari wrote:To confirm himself and mess with scum's minds? Throwing out claims is a sure for way to trick scum into suboptimal kill choices.
Trying to get scum to kill other less desirable town is self explanatory town? He doesn't control the night kill and now psychologically has to influence the night kill. You answered your own question.-
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Wasnt it clear that Matt was to favor claim first?In post 1564, Whiskers wrote:I'm Apollo-
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So that's why you asked Mala whether she was already neighborized. You assumed Matt also works at day.In post 1564, Whiskers wrote:Day Neighborizer
The weird thing is that Mala answered "I don't know" as opposed to "no", as if she also knew the neighborizers are supposed to work at day.-
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And despite me saying that no gods make sense for neighborizer, Apollo actually does - he is the god of music, so it makes sense that he attracts someone to a "neighborhood" using that.
Hephaestus however.. he is a blacksmith, he would make sense for an inventor or something. Not a neighborizer.-
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Have you played with town-Matt before?In post 1581, Mirari wrote:Ooba (and wisdom) I think you need to look at Matt as a player and see if this fits into his town profile. The claim should give you sole hints as to what I mean.
I believe you said you haven't, so I don't understand this. How would you know if it fits into his "town profile"?-
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You are misunderstanding me, once again. I did not call her scum because she disagreed with me. I called her scum because of what she was posting, and I analyzed it right after that. Did you read it?In post 1584, Whiskers wrote:Just, like... people you disagree with become scum.-
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Maybe so. But that's true for everyone, hence why scum buddy people.In post 1588, Whiskers wrote:
Perhaps.In post 1585, Wisdom wrote:
You are misunderstanding me, once again. I did not call her scum because she disagreed with me. I called her scum because of what she was posting, and I analyzed it right after that. Did you read it?In post 1584, Whiskers wrote:Just, like... people you disagree with become scum.
Maybe it's that you don't really look at a person, usually, until they do something to cross you.
Which is understandable. I guess it's just what I'm seeing looks badish.
Dont' worry too much about it.
Gtg take a final test.
Anyway, that's besides the point. I want you to look at what I pointed out about Mirari, because I think those are clear scumtells right there.-
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Actually I think I know what you mean - only this also makes more sense as scum than town.In post 1587, Mirari wrote:Is Hephaestus really known to be a talkative individual?-
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k, if you're not going to do it, I will.
With "Hephaestus not being talkative" the thought that came to my mind is that he is a scum PGO, and he claimed out of nowhere so that he looks scummy enough that informative roles will target him.
But eh, he didn't really need to do that to get people on him so scratch that.
Also I realized that's probably not what you meant.
What you probably actually mean is that he is lying about his role, that he has a stronger role and by claiming this weak-ass role scum will not target him. It makes no sense however - Matt has high suspicion on him for being associated with Mala, who we are about to lynch. If he is town, there is no way scum will kill him when he is liable to be the next easy lynch. So it makes no sense for him to claim that out of nowhere since he was not going to die anyway.
What's actually important for you to understand here (if you are town), is that you are assuming Matt is lying. Lying comes from scum far more often than town. Therefore it makes no sense for you to assume that there is town motivation there based on something that comes from scum.-
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That's irrelevant. He was showing the connection between Apollo(sun) and Artemis(moon) and how he was expecting them to be day and night neighborizers respectively.In post 1599, Malakittens wrote:
She's more associated with hunting howeverIn post 1595, Wisdom wrote:
...which is what ooba said.In post 1594, Malakittens wrote:and goddess of the moon.-
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But there have been no nights yet...In post 1613, Malakittens wrote:I didn't know if I got neighboriZed
Which means you assumed the neighborizer neighborizes at day.
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Since he didn't say day, the normal thing was to think night. You didn't, which suggests knowledge. I am not stretching anything.In post 1615, Malakittens wrote:Matt never said if he was a day or night. Whiskers asked me if I was and I replied idk because I didn't know. You're stretching trying to say I knew if it was day or night.-
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NoIn post 1672, MattP wrote:Wisdom, does your cold feet on Mala mean cold feet on me too?-
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Not what I asked.In post 1685, MattP wrote:
It was empathizing with her as a human being. On several counts. Would you like me to quote things? Her threatening to replace-out as scum is something that really pisses me off. We can discuss it endgame.In post 1683, Wisdom wrote:So it was only the replacing out threat that kept you from scumreading her before?-
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Mala, what exactly did this mean and how is it a crumb for your role? I don't understand it.In post 207, Malakittens wrote:Maybe some help from someone else would be very helpful to me right now or else I have to get my result somewhere else, but I rather not.-
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Why?In post 1729, shos wrote:If mala flips town, ill be greatly hesitant about lynching matt.-
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^shosIn post 1700, Wisdom wrote:If we assume Mala is town and her role is real, couldn't the neighborizers just no-action to make her life easy? I think that just makes it more likely that one of the neighborizers is scum, no?-
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Or to word it differently, here is how I am thinking:
-If I don't accept there are two neighborizers, the one lying is Matt.
-If I do accept there are two neighborizers, one of them should be scum -> That one is Matt.
-If Mala flips town and her role is real, it's practically confirmed that one of them is scum since if they were both town they would make her very strong by not neighborizing anyone.
-Therefore, if Mala flips town, Matt being scum is even more likely than if she flips scum.
-The only actual case Matt is town is if Mala is scum lying about her role and both neighborizers are actually town.
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I don't understand how this is different than what I am saying.In post 1740, MattP wrote:Pedit: Ooooh, you see I disagree at the part where when Mala claims this role the scum would obviously neighborize to make her role harder, because scum would definitely do that.-
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Of course it would be a scum claim if they neighborized now that we learned about Mala's claim - but what I am discussing here is the setup in general. It makes sense to have a scum neighborizer who will neighborize someone not because he knows about Mala's role and wants to obscure her results, but for his own gains (i.e. manipulation). That in turn will obscure Mala's results.
So if Mala's role exists, one of the neighborizers is scum for this reason.
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