Mini 1524: Olympian Gods Mafia - Game Over

[Nachomamma8]

My case was not awful. Town-you would at least consider it before shooting it down like that.

I considered your case when you initially made it. Not addressing my points when they made them and generally repeating yourself didn't change my mind at all.

[Wisdom]

I addressed everything, you didn't care. It's a lie that you considered anything.

[Nachomamma8]

Other people who could be scum:

Shos is an interesting beast because his methods are crazy and the type that I would love to call town, but his conclusions are generally shallow as fuck and not the type I like to call town. Take for example, his problems with you. The best that he has come up after his fake votes, his reaction tests, etc. is that you're tunneling. He is still going after shallow reasoning, although there are a lot of smoke and mirrors that say otherwise. He is still opportunistic (see his position on Mala up to this point, position on Peng, position on wagons that aren't him). I agree that the effort is good, but what's been good outside of that?

I still have no real idea on penguin, but I agree that later posts have been a little better although there's still a lot lacking.

Agree on fitz.

Didn't notice Mirari read change; what I liked most out of that slot was interactions with ooba; mollie summed my thoughts up on that pretty excellently.

[Nachomamma8]

I addressed everything, you didn't care. It's a lie that you considered anything.

You responded to everything, but you never actually responded to my points. Go reread our exchange and you might see what I'm talking about now that you've been away from it a while and mala is a nonissue.

[Nachomamma8]

I did like #1409, though.

[Wisdom]

How about you actually catch up?

[Nachomamma8]

Hmm, hold on. May have been too quick.

I'll put a card on the table too.

I know there is a neighborizer in this game. That's because I'm a "Virgin", making me immune to neighborizations.

Two things that make me wonder:

1. The wiki on neighborizers says they can be of any alignment (though most commonly pro-town)
2. Given my town-status, why would I be "protected" from a neighborization through my modifier if not because the tool is in the hands of a non-town player?

Please discuss.

This claim reads pretty incredibly town.

[Nachomamma8]

fitz is town, btw. In case anyone wondered.


@Whiskers
agree/disagree with my points on Mirari?

Why?

[Wisdom]

Because I liked his catchup. Vibes. Remember how I said the same in chain of command?
And you'll find another reason he's town in a few posts anyway

[Nachomamma8]

Malakittens faking a townslip is very incriminating in my opinion.

But I like her claim more than I like MattP's. A neighborizer whose role only gets activated during night 2 doesn't sound convincing.
The point of neighborhoods is having people sit together and talk and get to know each other. It's already weak enough as it is, but it only taking effect on night 2, being two-shots, it doesn't work.

I still think both of them are scum and they're simply distancing right now.

Whiskers, when does your role get activated?

UNVOTE:

I see no reason for Matt to lie about his role or role name. 13 gods and all.

[Nachomamma8]

Regarding Nacho, I was going to link to all 10 (TEN, not one or two) games I have with town-Nacho and show you that in ALL of them he was scumhunting, hard-pushing his suspects, constantly asking questions, getting engaged in the game etc etc etc. The only game where he didn't do those and he was just trolling and sheeping people, was the one game I have with scum-Nacho.

So once again, see my 1409 regarding Nacho. The most he has done in this game is defend Mala, to a way unnatural extent. This is not town-Nacho.

I did literally nothing in that game because my partner was lynched N1 and I didn't want to be night killed. It is not my typical scumgame.

[Wisdom]

All I know is you did fuckall there and you're doing fuckall now.

Also you're being way too defensive; usually you don't care about my accusations on you at all.

[Nachomamma8]

Claim wise Mala and grim groove are town, it makes a lot of sense for town to be immune to neighborizing in a setup like this so the QT cop can get at least one assured innocent. Grim grooves claim is confirm able, as is Mala's (someone should attempt to neighborize grim, another neighborizer maybe targets someone, Mala tells them whether they did or not). It does make sense for scum to have a neighborizer since its a good way to reduce the pool of innocents but it's completely possible that scum neighborizer hasn't claimed yet. Matt is scummier of roles but I don't think that he is scum at the moment.

[Nachomamma8]

All I know is you did fuckall there and you're doing fuckall now.

Also you're being way too defensive; usually you don't care about my accusations on you at all.

Please look at my ISO there one more time and realize that isn't a scumgame you can use for meta.

I usually ignore you in games. I'm not ignoring you in this game.

[Wisdom]

. It does make sense for scum to have a neighborizer since its a good way to reduce the pool of innocents

They can't do it now without claiming scum
And before knowing what mala is they wouldn't be doing it for any different reason than town ones would
So there doesn't necessarily have to be a scum neighborizer

[Nachomamma8]

. It does make sense for scum to have a neighborizer since its a good way to reduce the pool of innocents

They can't do it now without claiming scum
And before knowing what mala is they wouldn't be doing it for any different reason than town ones would
So there doesn't necessarily have to be a scum neighborizer

Well they can't do it now but I don't think the setup was made with the QT cop claiming D1 in mind.

[Wisdom]

Yeah but in that case town would have no reason to no-action

Matt explained it better than me

[Wisdom]

Anyway you apparently agree that all claims so far are town.

Thoughts on my mirari case?

[Nachomamma8]

I don't think mollie is scum. Admittedly, this is one of the weaker reads I have had on mollie because of weirdness around the whiskers situation, but I don't think that this would be an angle she would ever take as scum. Usually strong signs of her scumgame are fake paranoia, hardcore lurking (the type that doesn't produce over 20 posts in a day), but I'm not seeing any of that here.

[Wisdom]

Not mollie, mirari.

[Nachomamma8]

I understand her conviction on ooba town early thanks to the living together thing and ooba's explanation.
Mala fan girding also makes sense if she figures that Peng and mala have the same relationship as her and ooba. Reading each other wise.
You are correct that strong mala townread early is weird.
Good point.
Re: 1526 is also a good point, 1531 not so much because she was pushing penguin.
Behavior around Matt claim is also pretty weird.

[Nachomamma8]

I do think that your points good. I think that the biggest thing that makes me hesitate on Mirari is last time I played when her and she was scum she seemed a hell of a lot more disengaged, but I can look at that game again later.

[Nachomamma8]

Can we talk about shos again? What do you think of his push on Mala after Malatown started to look pretty likely thanks to claim this?

[Wisdom]

town, why continue to push like that even when shes not getting lynched anymore

[shos]

Im here, anyone?