I'm guessing Fircoal's nominations went in, even though he died.. what with his finger being in the ballot box and all. The finger is suspicious. Hopefully it means one of the killers is nominated.
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I think if the mafia really wanted to avoid being nominated, they would have *All* voted for the same two people, in order to put three votes against them. Everyone else (save maybe for a mason group) would be voting randomly, so, assuming each of the people 'randomly' votes for two other people, the people who already had three would get 1 or 2 more each. It wouldn't have been a four way tie like it is today. With that in mind, I think the mafia voted randomly; maybe they didn't know if who everyone nominated would be made public the next day and didn't want to be seen voting en masse.
With that in mind, I think it's *possible* that a scum has been nominated today, so maybe we shouldn't just speedlynch. >.>
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Interesting, Ghyrt. I suggest that maybe a scum has been nominated, and that today's lynch could matter, and you put a vote on me? ^.^ Well, fair's fair. I'm up here, and you ain't. You get to decide what's town and what's not.
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Cheez was nominated at least 4 times, and the other nominees were chosen at least 3 times. I say this because MM has two votes on them, and isn't nominated, so ergo there is either one person with the most votes and the other three are tied for second, or it is a four way tie for first.
So 13 out of 24 votes (or possibly 16 if a four way tie) were used to get the four nominees up here. We have 8 accounted for, out of 14 total votes.
Jack: Someone else suggested it, I added my thoughts to it, which were that mafia may not want to be seen voting en masse if there's some sort of public display of votes.
Ghyrt: in all your accusing me of being 'phony helpful', you forgot to reveal your nominations. Stop waiting to see what everyone else nominated and post
Ghyrt, Maz Medias, yellowbounder, we wait for you to reveal your results.
Sidenote: Considering we have a skunk, a dog, a bunny, and harry potter nominated, I'm wondering if this island is a refuge or an insane asylum. >.>-
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My bad Cheezfan.. I realized that in the other game we were in but I see the damage has been done already in this one. Lennon rules more than Potter any day.
Maz, izzatta random vote?
If we don't find some kind of direct evidence worth going on today, or come to the conclusion that we are all townies, I'll take one for the team. I'd prefer to be civilized about it though..
Bunny, it helps in lots of ways. Let's wait until after everyone has revealed their nominations or explained why they aren't going to.-
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Maz - Well, with a four nomination spread, votes are more easily confirmed because there's only a few setups that could have happened, effectively.
It's all about numbers. We won't get a complete set of nominations, of course, with fircoal being dead and all, but we should be able to use logic to figure out something.
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It's an interesting speculation JDoidge, one I am going to chew o ver for a while.
Personally, I don't think anyone is 'at fault' for us being nominated how we were. Even if we are all townies, I don't think other townies should feel personally responsible. However...
This is kind of like a day one 'test'. I think we have the oppurtunity and ability to collaborate, wether it leads to anything, number wise, or not, isn't as important as the reactions people have to this group investigation.-
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It's okay, Jack, I did it too.
Thing is, tommorrow, there may be only 2 people nominated. No way to prove or disprove who nominated who, and then, it won't even matter much. Today we can possibly take advantage of an oversight of the scum. The only people who are town who have reason be worried would be... maybe a mason group who voted together.
Anyways, come on. yellowbounder hasn't posted yet, ghyrt's posted twice and in one he acknowledged he nominated but didn't say who. And romanus stalled in his last post.-
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Seriously, Maz, give the town some credit. Even if scum jumps on an overlap, that doesn't mean anything. The town has to do it, too, for it to be worth anything.
As far as I can see, and for my own reasons that will remain suspiciously clandestine until I get roman and yellow's nominateoins, so far, everyone who's nominated today looks pretty clear. So I'll probably be offering myself up to be lynched But that can wait.
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I kind of agree with Maz Medias, on future dayas it will more likely than not be too easily manipulatable... ANd who knows... like I said abefore, if worse comes to worst, at least we have something to play with before someone gets lynched. I can understand the worry about possibly using the results to misdirect the town into nominating the wrong people, but, whateva. THe same thing can happen if we just look at scum tells or random lynch.-
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And then later...GreenLiquid wrote:The really long rules that outline everything are below. Here's a quick summaray: everyone sends in two different players each night as nominations. These are added to a tally. The two players with the most votes will be eligible to be lynched the following day. Ties will change this, so if there's for example a three way tie for first, then all three will be on the block for the following day. You may be interested in reading the rules below to learn the 'special cases.'
But then again...GreenLiquid wrote:NOMINATION RULES
1- In addition to standard night actions, each player MUST select two different people to be voted for nomination the next day.
2- The two players with the most nominations votes will be eligible lynch candidates the next day. If there is a two-way tie for most votes, both tied will be on the block. If there’s a three or more way tie, all tied players are on the block, with an exception which I’ll add later. If there’s a leader, but then players tied for second, the leader and all tied for second players are added to the block.
3- The exception: no more than half of the town can be nominated. If 6 are alive, at max three can be nominated. Ditto for seven. If there’s more than the max people nominated in a tie scenario, nominees out of the tied players will be randomly selected. Only catch: with three alive, two is the maximum.GreenLiquid wrote:10- And of course, the exceptions rule. There’s an exception to every rule, and these rules are included. Based on certain game mechanics and whatnot, there is a chance that there may be exceptions, additions, or exemptions to these rules. If something I say in thread or by PM conflicts with these rules, whatever I said will most likely be correct. These rules were designed to be uniform to most games I run and as such may not accurately represent all role mechanics, so read what I have to say in thread and in your role PM carefully. Your diligence will be rewarded.-
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Yellow bounder holds the power. TeEELLLLL UUUUS..
Side note, we must have a 4-way tie between the four nominees.
Could be a nomination restriction, a nomination *ability*, or he could be young, dumb, and full of scum.
If you think I'm scummy for being martyry, than lynch me, problem solved but wait until we go through the numbers first. I'm good with numbers.
Technical Rule 1 : "In order for a lynch to occur, a majority vote, rounding up, must be made against a particular lynch candidate. The second that majority is reached, that person is considered dead and may say nothing more game related. Only players that are nominated (see later) for the day may receive votes."The town cannot vote for No Lynch in this game, so don’t try.
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JDodge, There has to be a four way tie; you and Cheezfan already have four votes eash. That would be first and second place. The fact that me and RR also are nominated means that we therefore have the same number as votes.
Thanks bunny!
I'm going to take a gander and say that yellow bounder voted for me once, adn fircoal voted for me once.n I'm in another game with fircoal, so that might be a reason he put a vote on me (that's why I put a vote on cheezfan after all)
That makes everything even. I'm still curious who yellow bounder's other vote was on.
Sorry for being suspicious of you romanus, but to be honest, you should have outright said it rather than phrasing things in such a way to sound like that... I thought you were scum who wasn't paying attentino to the rules and was lying.
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hmm. I would like to post a link to an image of a chart I mad. Is that feasible? I think charts are more efefctive than lists.
*note* I have heard in scumchat that RR is an ass and most people who play with him get very aggravated with him. That's why I've been taking him with a grain of salt. However, being an ass doesn't not clear you frlom being scum as well, so don't use that a defense. ^.^-
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I said I will take one for the team, unless we find an obvious scum nominated amongst us, and I *will*. The obvious implication is that Ghyrt is not on our team, because he's scum, OBVOBV. (Get with it people!!)
The one thing that *Does* irk me about RR is that he tends to 'side up' with people in favor with town but is just as quick to chastize and be suspicious of them. The way he's been regarding me this entire game is interesting, for example, saying he knows I am good with numbers one post and then saying that I'm scummy for offering martyrism the next. He does it with other people too, and there's nothing wrong with it, except it makes me wary to take him at face value: Is he being genuine or is he just setting me up for something? It doesn't mean he's scummy, it meanas I have to take extra care in reading his posts because I don't know what he's really saying, sometimes.
Actually I have no idea.
Let's assume that fircoal nominated me and someone who isn't eligible for lynching today. That puts me at four, tied with Bunny and Clown. (I do have a graph but it has to wait until tonight, I"m at work right now, sorry)
In thte meanwhile, here's a 'votes for' tally as supplied by all of us...
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*Dodge 5
*CheezFan 4
*RR 4
*skruffs 3 (+1)
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Maz 2
jack 1
CenScru 1
dean: 0
romanus: 0
yellowbounder 0
ghyrt 0
(One of the 'neithers' has an additional vote from Fircoal)
I have to go back and figure out why each person purportedly voted for who they did.. my graph displays who everyone voted for, too, which is fairly interesting.
If I were to nominate someone entirely on nominational data, I would suggest Dean and Ghyrt for tomorrow. But why can wait until later!
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Side note : POwer roles relevant to nominations
It's possible there are other power roles out there, too - everyone saying who they nominated clears most possibilities, though, like a nomination blocker, a nomination 'switcher'. There could be a nomination cop. Well hold on, there could be a blocker or switcher; if there is, they targetted someone who didn't nominate one of the current nominees.-
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I personally think Romanus could have lied about his nominations and gotten away with it, if he was scum. Is that wifomy? Maybe.
JDodge, it's better to discuss the information and decide something, than to not and go based purely on play style. We're lowering the chances of a mislynch by comparing notes, I thinkI had no idea you would have five votes on you until I tallied them up... and if everyone randomly distributed ( which of course isn't the case ) than everyone would roughly have two votes on them. It's not the case. If there was a a'nomination cop' they would know now if who they followed last night was telling the truth or not; who would be lying? Everything tallies up. A nomination switcher honestly doesn't make much sense, flavor rise - a nomination blocker does. This information is there to be examined by anyone; why does bringing it into the open more likely harm us?
Bunny, I always try to read everyone evenly - if someone is 'running distraction' I spend more time hopping after them and less time following more substantial clues that could possibly lead to more information.-
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* listens to dean and aneurisms*
"I think now that we're all finished tallying the nominations and have a few non-nominees targets it may be time to start discussing the lynch, and the longer you avoid explaining that the more suspicious it looks."
Let's discuss what's likely vs not, discuss nominations, and if it turns out one nominated person is probably more likely scum than another (it right now doesn't look like it, to me) than we'll lynch them. Otherwise, why give mafia the chance to get role claims out of four people? You have no idea what I am, Bunny - and why does it even really matter at this point? Shouldn't you be happy that someone's offering to take 'the fall' so that you (And the other two) have more of a chance to make it to the morning? Instead of trying to paint me as scummy and get me lynched 'against my will', we can do what I suggested earlier and play civilized-like.-
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Aight so here's the graph (number 2) which I just got done making. As you can see all normal nominations are in blue, except for ROmanus, who is special, and is red. IT hink he'll like that, it goes with his avatar. Similarly, because we can't be 100% sure everyone is telling the truth, fircoal's nominations are in grey.
I'm going to talk about Fircoal, first. Fircoal had two people voting against him, RR, and MM. (coincidentally enough, those are the people who Dodge voted against, but that's pointless to really go into). This is WIFOM, of course, but I will raise the point: Would scum nominate people that they were already going to kill? I don't think so. You might say they could because they wanted to seem innocent, but in effect they are cancelling out their own participation in who gets nominated, which means there's a higher chance of being nominated themselves.
Ghyrt, Romanus, Dean, and yellow bounder didn't receive any votes. that doesn't necessarily mean anything. JDodge received 5 votes.
I think it's pretty unlikely that five out of 11 possible people would randomly pick JDodge. So we look at Dodge and see that Ghyrt, Cheez, Dean, Jack, and Yellow have all voted for him.
What's even crazier is that every single person who voted Dodge, also voted for someone else who is nominated today. Three out of those five (Ghyrt, Dean, Yellow) have no votes against them. And Dean and Jack nominated the exact same people.
So here's my basic sumamry. I have more but I'm effectively done, now, and I'll post my recoup:
Fircoal is dead; he is not scum.
Maz and RR are probablynot scumbecause at this point I don't think they would want to risk forfeiting their nominations on a soon-to-be-dead player and risk being nominated themselves.
Romanus, I think, isnot scum. If it's an optional ability (like I said before) and he's scum he would have no reason to reveal that, he could just as easily lie and not be caught. (It would be almost impossible for an unknowing town to deduce that someone had double votes.)
8 left; five of them voted for JDodge.
Dodge is probably not scum because it's highly unlikely that out of the eight people remaining, six of them most likely being town (though it may only be two, since the mafia has a bigger advantage this game), that five townies decided to gang up (randomly) on the other one.
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Even if you don't want to clear bunny and Maz and Romanus, it's unlikely that five out of 9/10 pro town players would randomly pick the same person. Bunny's nomination is due to ROmanus stacking the deck. Me and cheesefan are probably because we picked each other, because we are in another game together, and I think Dodge is nominated because he got ganged up on by scum. It is I guess possible to consider that Dodge is also scum and was nominated today to be 'cleared' in our eyes by the same reason.
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Jack and Dean both had the same nominations, were not voted for themselves (except by CS), and in Jack's last post, he put Dean way at the bottom with a kinda impartial side comment. I think that out of what we know about night one that these two would be a good nomination team for the morrow. It's possible I'm missing something, or that theere is more information that I didn't consider, but that's what the facts are telling me.
(I'm not a math whiz, by the way. I'm just trying to help. I'm more than willing to have people interpret the logistics themselves... this is all just me saying how *I* see it and I am sure I don't see the whole picture)
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Okay, Jack -
What I am suggesting is that, based on what I see in the numbers. As I said multiple times, it's rambling, and I use the word 'probably' a bunch of times.
I assume everyone is truthful, yes, I have no reason at this time to think otherwise. WHO do you think was being untruthful? Tell me which data should be invalidated before criticizing hypothesises based on that data.
I also said why I am assuming that mafia were not nominating each other, for the same reason that they would not pick the person they knew was dying, and for the same reason they would team up to help make sure that one person (or two) was nominated.
IT IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT YOU AND DEAN ONLY COINCIDENTALLY PICKED THE SAME TWO PEOPLE.But adding in all the other things, that i just went over, it's MORE likely that if anything can be gleaned from the numbers, that you and him would be looking most guilty.
"You take not getting nominated as a scumtell."
Where?
Is this what you mean? Because it is not saying that not being nominated is a scumtell.That Handsome Skunk wrote:[quote="Ghyrt, Romanus, Dean, and yellow bounder didn't receive any votes. that doesn't necessarily mean anything. JDodge received 5 votes."
Was Cheesefan's nominations random?
"Jack : "I nominated cheesfan for being first and Jdodge for starting with a J."
Ddean : "I nominated Cheesefan because I like cheese and Jdodge because i like his picture of a dog. Even if there is one scum up I don't think we are going to hit them.
Skruffs: "Me and cheesefan are probably because we picked each other, because we are in another game together"
Central: "I nominated Cheesefan and Jack. "
I personally don't know anything about statistical variation. Please explain more.
JDodge is special because he has one more vote than anyone else, and four of the five people nominating him, aren't nominated themselves. I personally traded nominations with Maz and Cheese, who got pegged bvy you, jack, and CS. Bunny is another special case because he got targetted by Romanus.
"This kind of analysis is not going to help us at all. It would be easy for scum to say they nominated fircoal. They could say they nominated whoever they liked, it if doesn't add up in the end we have no way of knowing who lied about it. Your assuming maz is innocent and dean and I are scum off of this?"
I'm saying what I think based on the numbers, and putting it out there so that everyone else can add their opinion. For all I know, cum *might* be lying about who they nominated, however, the numbers add up. I'm kinda suspicious of yellowbounder for being the last one to claim when he could have claimed earlier; he could b e cleaning up the messes of someone else. With fircoal not here it's entirely possible someone else voted me and fircoal nominated other people.
I will note that you didn't seem very inclined to add any information yourself, you instead used your post mostly to discredit what I did post. My text is not as important as the graph - the graph is what the text is based on. Patterns I see. After today, the way some people are suggesting that we all decide before hand who to nominate, the mafia will know who to vote for, to be able to blend seamlessly in with town. At that point the game will become mostly just keeping suspicion on other people of the town. Today we have the raw information; as has been said before, I personally think scum are more likely to cooperate today to avoid being caught up in a bluff as to who they nominated.-
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I'm not talking about 'every day' Dodge. this is just for today. I think claiming won't be important from now on, especially if we are going to be 'pre-deciding' who to nominate the night before. Why? Because if everyone votes for two people, and they are all townies, it is likely the cop will investigate one of them, and it's likely that scum can kill one of them and nominate someone else. On the other hand, if everyone votes for the same two people, why would scum have any reason to *not* vote for them? there's no way to know who voted who excepet in situations like today , where 4 people are nominted with 4/5 votes each.
Just look it over, chew on it a while, come to some conclusions and share them with everyone else.-
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JDodge : if we all vote for two people, and one of them is pro-town, teh mafia can kill that person, vote someone else, and that person (with two or three votes) will have a majority and will be nominated, because every other vote will be on thte other person. Obviously the two people who are 'being nominated', town or not, will not necessarily want to vote for themselves or each other, so that's a third element you have to deal with.
Jack: After everyone else posted their nominations, jodge had 5, rr and chz has 4, and i have 3. Fircoal nominated two people, as well. We found his finger in the ballot box, so OBVIOUSLY he did put in his nominations (tho why his finger was in there is beyound me). I am nominated with everyone else; so it stands to reason that he more likely than not nominated me.
Maz could have easily done that; maz nominated AND voted for me as the day started, i could probably try to find a way to suggest that maz lied and is trying to cover, but that is PURELY speculation.
Again, you are saying I'm assuming all kind of stuff, namely that the information is correct and that people aren't lying. I am saying that based on what people are saying, this is what I have concluded. You can't 'wifom' evidence away just because it's possible someone lied. Romanus 'came clean' about who he nominated, and you are suspicious of him for that.
cheesefan : I posted what people said, if you doubt the validity of that, talk to them, don't criticize me for reposting.
If you want me to post a basis on who I think is scummy, I think that ghyrt, yellow bounder, bunny, and dean areactingthe most scummy. I don't know why I think CS isn't scummy considering he's kinda lurking (no offense meant).
I'm not really trying to throw suspicion on them, though, that's my opinion. IF you want I will post a longer person-by-person review tonight.-
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You are asking me to provide a double negative on Maz; I can't really explain why he'snotscummy, just like I can't really explain why Dodge isnotscummy. I could conceivably say that Dodge was nominated by scum buddies so that he would not be a target later on. <.< Or I can say " wow he has a crap load of votes on him, what are the chances those are all coincidental?"
I don't see how it's circular reasoning. You are saying we can't prove he nominated me, and I agree. We can't prove it, but we also can't disprove it, and it's just basically a temporary band-aid until we find something better.-
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12 players with 3 scum means after each mislynch scum has more of an ability to force misnominations. I'm not so liking the 'scum lists'.. posts 316, and 318, together, seem to be setting things up to screw town in the morrow.
If scum knows who everyone is likely to be voting, and even knowing who is getting second place and third place, they can manipulate things in their own favor by adding votes and killing off least suspicious people, etc. This is basically why I discredited 'pre-nominating' people earlier in the game, but to be honest, it's all SO FRIGGING wifomy what the mafia will/won't do that it will be hard to figure things out.
On the other hand, maybe we should just do it and stop discrediting everything. Everything is a piece of info. But if we say who we want to nominate tonight, we won't be able to look at who everyone nominated tomorrow, or be able to validate what everyone says they did, because, once again, people could be lying.
Anyways because mafia has the quasi-ability to collectively eliminate and nominate things, I'm much more reluctant to think that Romanus is a pro-town role.
JDodge, I Think, is more likely than not pro town.
Cheesefan is more likely than not town, in my eyes.
I'm reluctant to say I think Jack or Ghyrt is protown.I'm reluctant to say I think dean or bunny is pro-town. I don't think yellowbounder is much of anything. But that doesn't mean they aren't, it's just where my opinions lie.
I don't like Ghyrt's stalling technique. He did it before with his nominations, going through the motions without saying who it was, and then again with his lists, agreeing we should but then conveninenetly leaving. I'm not saying he's not leaving or anything, but I'm looking at how long he had to post it, i see his agreement post and then his 'i'll be away post'.. it's not hard to put a huge list of people if you're honestly thinking it's a good idea.
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Why would they have to? And if they did, how would anyone know? Scum are more than willing to lie, especially in situations where there'sJack wrote:They can't just up and say nominated someone that was at the bottom of their list. Therefore they would have to lie. Forcing scum to lie is good.no wayto catch them.-
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I'm not trying to discourage sharing of information, but you can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't say we can't look at one thing because scum is lying, and then say we can do another thing because we would be able to catch scum lying. How will we catch scum lying tomorrow that we can't do today? That's what I am asking.-
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Mafia has soooooo much more power than town it's not funny.
The only way nominations will work is if we literally steamroller over mafia; they don't have enough power to finaglge nominations at this point if we work togehter. However, - and JDodge emphasized this point - how are you going to convince the proverbiail ABC to also vote for each other? If Romanus were A, he could annouce that he was going to target D, and the mafia (And B and C) could follow suit. Bamf, D is nominated. (2 + 1 + 1 + (2 or 3 of mafia depending on A - C's alignment) compared to ABC now getting 12 votes split between them, and average of four.
So the only way this works is if Townies also agree to be nominated. THis is getting so wacked out and twisted!! I love it even though I hate it too. It is helping me think tho-
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I don't think it would be random, persay. N1 was random because nobody had anything to go on. Tonight, if done secretly, will be based on people's suspicions / wanting to get rid of townies.Raging Rabbit wrote:
You're not getting me here. Right now you and our Scottish friend here are basically saying "lets play it random because it's the simplest, probably also the most intuitive approach".
Sidenote : How will we decide who to nominate? Should we have some sort of voting to deicde who we are going to vote for tonight to decide who we are going to lynch tommorrow?
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As of right now, the scum are IN our town, killin our dudez. So they're going to work to make sure they don't get nominated in the morning.
The concept behind not sharing your nominations is because it then comes down to each person to nominate who they actually feel is the most scummy. The idea being is if mafia don't know who's going to nominate who, they'll have to nominate people themselves. This kind of forces every townie to make calculated guesses, thinking for themselves who is scum and who isn't. Which can be good.
In the end, we will have to agree before we lynch who we are going to collectively, as a group, nominate. If one of them get nightkilled, it is as bunny said: one less suspicious person. There's not going to be a way to foolproofedly determine who nominated who. We're going to have to hope. And if scum are really good at not looking suspicious, then... we're going to have to rely on any doctor and cop roles to help us out.-
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This whole post is interesting, I'll refer to my specific part later, but basically.. I notice you go through two phases... a helpful phase and a distracting phase. This whole pose was from your 'distracting' phase. I'm going to go back and see what people are talking abuot before you start doing this silly stuff, as compared to when you are talking helpfully. This whole post.. not helpful. Taking smidgens of poeple's posts and commenting on them, with ten or more, does nothing. It's interesting that you posted it right after ROmanus said that it's a red herring that scum will use to cause town to fight each other. Hmm. Anyways...
First quote : You took that out of context. "Raging Rabbit wrote:
Huh? TheySkruffs wrote:The idea being is if mafia don't know who's going to nominate who, they'll have to nominate people themselves.wantto nominate people themselves. My system just makes it that much harder for them to fuck up our lynch options, and leaves a whole lot less to pure chance.
So you do agree? Good.In the end, we will have to agree before we lynch who we are going to collectively, as a group, nominate.
What I am saying is that mafia will have to 'choose themselves' who they want to nominate vs knowing what the town is doing and following along with them, and then hope that a few other people are also voting them.Skruffs wrote: The concept behind not sharing your nominations is because it then comes down to each person to nominate who they actually feel is the most scummy. The idea being is if mafia don't know who's going to nominate who, they'll have to nominate people themselves. This kind of forces every townie to make calculated guesses, thinking for themselves who is scum and who isn't. Which can be good.
Second quote : My sentence said that Town was going to have to agree on who they were going to nominate the next day. You asked/inferred that I agreed. With what? If you were to assume I was agreeing with something based on the sentence you quoted, it would be that I thought that tommorrow's nominations were a good choice. Since that hasn't been discussed at all, there is absolutely nothing to agree with. If you were asking "Do you agree that town will have to agree on them" then you should have asked that. This is where your quotes fail, because you take only a bit out, which misinterprets what they are saying, and then when you reply, it looks like you are twisting wrods around, misconstruing what is said, or putting words in other people's mouths. You are more than welcome to do things your own way but if people get ruffled by it, you can't then tell them to stop, because that's them reacting to you. This is meant as helpful criticism.
Except it doesn't, because those suspects and the mafia can coup it.Raging Rabbit wrote:My method, however, pretty much guarantees thatwe get at least 2 out of our 3 most suspicious people up for lynching tomorrow.
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Damn, lost my post while constructing that neat little thing at hte bottom of this one. Let's try again.
How about instead of splitting into camps, we compromise?
Compromise. We all have two votes. Let's use one together, and one randomly. That's right. We nominate one person with half our votes, and we all quietly, privately decide what to do with our other vote. Not everyone would have to do this; 5 people will most likely be a majority. With our other vote, we nominate who else we want to see up there. THAt way we have one pre planned nominee, and a second placer down by secret, popular vote. If mafia want to kill the person we have decided to nominate, than it's all the more possible one of them will be nominated.
Maybe this is a flawed Idea, but I Think it's a step forward from either of the other ideas.
Second note, I akinda side with Romanus about revealing votes in the morning. I have been changing opinions a lot as more and more thoughts are added to the mix; kudos to everyone who is participating.
Whatever happens, this game is going to have a truckload of WIFOM.
Hmmmmmmmmmm.
Lastly Mr. Big Bunny, you put those words in my mouth. All I said was that town would have to agree on WHO they were nominating. That's the third time you are inferring that I Agree with your plan - for the record, your plan is not a bad one. But everyone has to be involved or it will be chaos.Vehement Vermin wrote:
"Anarchy" isn't purely random, true. It's (way)Foaming Rodent wrote:
Nope, just not too pro town-ish. Look, we need to think this thing over and decide on the town's best course of action. Forcing us into anarchy just because you "won't have it any other way", since you won't give up your "freedom" or somethin', is not particularly helpful.Irked Hare wrote:
1. Paranoid, much? Let the town judge what's good and what's not for ourselves rather than shout "SABOTAGE!"Angry Bunny wrote:
Guys, please try to think this through here. By "random" I didn't mean meaningless, I meant "anarchy". We have no idea how easy we make life for the mafia, or how much they'll be able to fuck us up. It leaves too much to pure luck, basically.Raging Rabbit wrote:A'ight, please show me what makes "anarchy" less easily corrupted than my plan.
My method, however, pretty much guarantees thatwe get at least 2 out of our 3 most suspicious people up for lynching tomorrow.And by choosing which of our 3 suspects to remove as an option, the mafia's basically giving us more free information. That's better than anarchy in my book. Yay institutions!
2. "Anarchy" is just as much a chosen system as mine is, only more intuitive. Can't it also be set into place by evil anti town culprits?morerandom than what I'm trying to propose, though, and randomness is a big no no.-
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You're forgetting what "Consensual' means.
Okay. Well, I'm willing to give this a go, ie nominating. Nobody can be held to it, and of course the mafia has two/three people backing each other up whereas we are all fending for each other.
I don't care who gets nominated, but I'd prefer to see Dawg, Romanus, and cheesefan off the lynching block tommorrow.
I wasn't really suspicious of jack until he went off after I posted the chart, b dean/jack/ghyrt works for me-
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I don't think that is really a correct metaphor, does libertarianism take into account that political 'nominees' are being killed off and that there is a knowledgable group of subversives trying to destroy the political state entirely?maybe it does, i have no clue.
Okay so let's just leave it out in the open - if peole want to state cases on why some people should be nominated they are free to do so, but nobody is required to disclose who they are nominating, but in the morning we're going to try and figure out what's going on?-
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Naw. ANd you should stop pressing it! I originally offered to give myself up if none of the people nominated seemed really suspicoius. I think Dodge is pretty town, and while I've had doubts about you, I don't feel comfortable trying to get you lynched to save mytself. Cheesefan, not so sure about, but I understand his nomination of me (and mine of his) so i'd also feel weird lynching him atm. So. With everyone else rather cleared, I'll vote myself. There's nothing more to it than that, I promise.-
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I think I Already explained; that's why you are voting me currently, yes/no?
HOwever I have no trouble explaining again.
Bunny : I think being on the pedestal of being nominated is good for his gameplay.
Ghyrt : Suspicious to me in every sense of the word.
Dean : He's trying to bus you and Ghyrt to save his own skin, which is understandable.
You : Because you consistently make suggestions that would only benefit scum in the long run.
None of it is personal, really, and I had to really consider if I wanted to nominate Maz or TCS or yellow bounder. I see dodge as cleared, and romanus as helpful, so I'm not going to nominate them.
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Jack asked me who I thought was suspicious. I told him, he asked why, I told him. I'm not in turn allowd to ask his suspicions?
This is why I am not going to vote someone else who is nominated, it will be far too tempting for the four of us to attack each other for our own self preservation at the cost of giving scum info they can use. If jack is scum, he can fake it, and if he's not comfortable, he can fake it - the mafia might lie about who they want to nominate, but so can we. Discussing things have to be done or it WILL be like what rabbit is afraid of - anarchy. I think we can all talk about who we find susipcious without revealing any info - that's why I listed four people.-
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