I am a prophet of this holy voice.Besides, you’d really like to see Number 2 hang. Any Number 2, even if it later turns out not to have been Number 2 will be worth it momentarily.
Mini 1099: The Prisoner Mafia. Game Over.
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Number 2 must hang.
ITS WRITTEN IN STONE
(As an aside, I think I saw Plum? sign up for this and went "Huh, I'd like to play with Plum" and then looked at the list and went OOOOOOOoooooo)
In other words this game is already over its awesome quota-
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So Jack is town?
That what you be sayin up ins?
(I REALLY dont want to have to go into a detailed discussion about saying its an all vanilla setup AND being a super powerful PR AND being a miller and how those three pieces don't touch each other in a pleasant way)-
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In four pages you went from "This is a vanilla setup" to "I am a miller thus fate isn't" to "I am a super powerful secret role that is so powerful I am the only PR" to "Of course it makes sense that there is other PR's like tracker (note: not cop)"Standard miller strategy is to claim to start, which I wasn't planning to do however, but with fates claim I believe this scenario was zorblag's intention it was like a test which I failed but you all still have a chance to pass if you think about the setup and the flavor and what makes sense for this game I think you'll come to the conclusion that it does indeed make sense particularly if I'm NOT the only pr but there is a tracker or something of that sort.
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Ohh you've gotta be kidding me.
The miller claim isn't even the part that gets me. Its that surrounded by the vanilla setup - the one ring - many rings jumps.
And, EK saying nothing getting called out and coming in with YOURE NOT THE BOSS OF ME DAD well.-
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What the hell kind of super powers would make you think you're the only PR?
SERIOUSLY.
Damnit fate.
DAMNIT
IS THIS SOME KIND OF WACKY SCUM HIJINKS YOU TWO PULLED THAT WENT SOUTH WHEN HE CLAIMED MYSTERIOUS PR-
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The hell I "outed pr's"
HE DID THAT OF HIS OWN VOLITION
The tinfoil says you two went "double miller gambit, winner rides the fury to victory" that went BFFTH when he claimed SUPER POWER PR on top of it which makes no sense.-
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Because it STILL doesn't make sense as town.
Why the start out with its a vanilla setup?
Why, when you claimed miller, would he not do some kind of "just a miller" business?
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You said you wanted hammers without claims.
THE CLAIM SHOULDNT MATTER.
IF ANYTHING IT MAKES EVEN LESS SENSE IF YOU ARE MILLER SUPER JESUS TO BE BEHIND IT.
But, honestly, I don't have the energy.
Him or me today.
If I flip town, I want him him dead.
If he flips scum, you die.
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And there's other days to deal with that.
I'm of a very simple business with millers. If they play nice nice, then roll. If they even twitch, douse them with fire.
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Double miller as scum is one I've thought about. It takes brass balls but it could work.
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Jesus are you trying to make me go back on my work EC.
Or did Jack post somewhere answering your questions that you were so indignant about getting called out for waiting on a vote?-
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Did you just vote FOR me and then ask if it goes the other way if you can have my vote?
Is that what I see there?
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And if Jack's response was some form of "JUST A MILLER?" and then "AHA BUSTED" we might not be having this conversation now.
And I THOUGHT EVEN WITH IT ALL YOU WERE TOWN UNTIL YOU WENT ALL JACKLOVE-
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You're missing THIS POST OF YOURS IN THERE:Well, I'm apparently scum for not placing my vote.
So, I'm placing my vote.
If Jack provides good rationale, I'll take it off.
Also shit how am I scummy as hell?
What response?of course, my apologies for waiting before voting and not jumping on the bandwagon like every other idiot.
Next time, I'll try not to think and simply vote.Because surely, waiting for a response before making a decisionis a pure scum-tell.
My bad.
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Ruffsters I'd like your thought process on Fate.
However, I GUESS I GET TO BE A LIAR
Unvote, Vote: EK
Called out a scumteam that didn't match your vote? Check.
Implosion? Check.
Some kinda YOU TOO business when Ruff said something about one other person? NOOICE-
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Yes I need to its imperative or else I explode.
OR, JUST MAYBE, I'm showing captain town what at least that piece is.
Like I said Fate is dead if Jack is scum.
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Jesus game.
First things first. There may be firey justice but it'd be both ways. Camn, chesskid, you better go out back and have a talk because STILL not the right call for today.
LUCKILY, scum helped by murdering all over that wagon AND lets add in mr Ruff:
Now, lets add another interesting tidbit:EtherealCookie: 7: populartajo (19),SpyreX(26), Jack (28),Zang(31), Plum (33),Fate(36),Camn(37)
Hiraki: 2: Ojanen (29),chesskid3(32)
SpyreX: 1: Nachomamma8 (16)
Jack: 1:EtherealCookie(23)
Fate: 1:The Rufflig(27)
Camn: 18
Chess: 72
Jack: 24
Nacho: 4
Ojanen: 6
Plum: 6
Tajo: 11
SpyreX: 45
The Ruffing: 28
And, the finale:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p2690136
The rub-rub nudge-nudge case on Ojanen ending with a vote on nacho under the "hasn't posted about anything" (while true, but pot es kettle) is the easy push. This isn't a bus. Especially with Nacho's move starting out which I'll get to.
Plum is scum, Ojanen is probably scum. Considering the absence of SHOCKING REVELATIONS I still would put Jack on the bad side of the world.
You're missing some key pieces of this meta garbage. Namely, its not ONLY this is all vanilla, but super secret awesome PR AND not questioning Fate in regards to his counterclaim - especially if it was AWESOME PR THAT MEANS I MUST BE A MILLER.You've played with Jack PLENTY before. So, when you see Jack say something like "hey i think this is an all vanilla setup" when this is a game in CONEY ISLAND and with a NONVANILLA ROLE PM, you know damn well he's not serious. And you use this to push a lynch on him, even after he counterclaims a miller. You haven't been a tinfoil hat theory kind of guy from the times I've played with you. Your "you or me" thing was a load of crap because you knew DAMN WELL that you weren't going to get lynched D1. Fate calls you scum, you pull those tricks, avoid ever answering Fate, then you back down and vote EK, still calling for bullets into Jack all the while. It doesn't make sense.
And, the logical dance to go "I'm the only PR in the game so they made me a miller" when if you are the only PR then being a miller means a fat stack of nothing.
EK was a fine lynch and I'm (while not shocked) definitely wroth that he didn't flip because I KNEW not pushing this yesterday would lead to this.-
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God I've went through this already.Why would questioning make everything okay? A miller is a miller, whether unlynchable doublevoting governor is in front of it or not.
Assume you're some kind of multishot day cop/day vig whatever and also a miller. You decide to claim.
Someone ELSE then also claims miller. At that moment the idea that perhaps, in fact, there's some correlation to there being one or two massive power roles and milleritude. So, you ask what would appear to be a strange question: are you JUST a miller? Because, the answer to that if its no might be both giving some insight AND giving a reason to believe the claim.
And, of course, guess what else? Nothing. Not a scrap of useful from N1. Shocked and awed at that yessir.
There's ONE gambit I'm 'expecting' and if thats the case I'm going to lose my mind.And now, you're still not dropping the Jacknoia. You will believe that Jack and Fate were pulling a double-miller gambit. You will believe that scum-Jack counterclaimed town-Fate's miller claim in an instant, and decided to claim some super-PR role for who knows what reason. But it hasn't crossed your mind at ALL that Jack is just gambiting? Not buying it.
But, even then, look at the Ruffing's 'gambit' D1. That is a (while not going to catch any but the silliest) a good attempt at a trap. The claiming miller (which hasn't been reducted btw) and the repeated concessions WHILE NOT JUST FESSING UP isn't a good gambit.
But, go for it.
And, regardless, frankly I'm done talking about Jack. Because if its not nipped in the bud this stupid shit is going to go on every day. Because, he's never going to die. Never. Be it BECAUSE HE IS SCUM (HINT) or because he's been left for patsy its not happening.-
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Considering I think Jack is full of garbage (and, again, if what I think may happen happens I will be wroth) I think we're looking at a fairly standard setup.Spyrex: What do you think about the setup so far? This is Troll's game. There was some early setup speculation.. now we have seen some stuff... what say you?
Looking at the kill flavors neither disappeared or garroted strikes me as "good" nk flavor - under the assumation that Fate was the scum NK and Zang the 'other' NK I'd lean towards SK trying to neuter scum/raise a vig defense later.
IF its the other way I could see maaaybe chess being scum. As much bluster as he's getting (hint: the amount of bluster isn't an accident) I'm still seeing town there.
Mason flip, again, under the assumption that its masons and not neighbors makes me find a cop far less likely (which, again, makes Jack's business even more suspect).
My guess? 8:1:3. Lurkers are predominately holding the 4 coveted spots. OF all the lurkers the one I am most torn on is nacho, actually.-
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For me its STILL the numbers business. Just enough twitch that would make a scum perhaps want to slip up AND no real downside.
No matter how I junk it we're not f'd today unless its another night of two town deaths and THEN the SK gets to play "I'm a vig" to have any shot at winning (hint: they probably don't) in which case we may be able to finagle something.
So, while you replaced a bad, bad spot and Ruf over Plum still makes me paranoid hows about you swap that sweet ass vote over-
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Sans the golden four of (Tajo / Oj / Plum / Nacho) (and I'm assuming you KNOW I think Jack is still scum yo)... no?
Lets say those five were all dead and by some miracle the game was still going (I.e. Camn / Chess / The Ruffing / SpyreX) as it sits RIGHT NOW I'd probably vote Chess by a small margin over camn.-
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... Nacho had 22 posts in other games during that time?Plum wrote:Nacho clearly avoided posting completely during the entire wagon. Between his last post Day 1 and the lynch were nearly four days and unless I miscounted 22 posts from Nacho in various games. While the entire wagon ran. Meanwhile he'd said little enough about the game in his four posts. Deliberately avoiding a game for days while important wagons run around and avoiding commenting altogether reeks of scum and scum tactics so hard that in-thread avoidance and tiptoeing around the wagon (like Ojanen) paled in comparison. And sure I wasn't doing the best job playing I ever have Day 1, but you know, you dust yourself off and such, and the fact that I wasn't that integrated into the game or whatever Day 1 has no bearing on how scummy Nacho's play was. At all.
OOOHHH man Nacho you best get talkin.
Additionally, the issue was is and will be "stuff on Oj" / nacho vote.
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Chesskid you are gonna be sent to your room without supper.
Because at this point if either you or camn or scum its game over.
AND GOD NOW A VOTE FOR PLUM /EMO
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Sotty I want them both dead. The deal with Nacho I really don't like is this Jack-defense fixation INCLUDING MAKING ME REPEAT MYSELF OVER AND OVER WHICH MAKE HULK SMASH and the "Well I'm in 13 games so thus no words here perfect rite RITE" which is bunk.
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That was a hammer? GOOD.
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I've said over and over how I dont think the play makes sense (as TOWN) because its a stupid gambit (see Ruff).
AND THE DEFENSE HAS BEEN LOL META OVER AND OVER
If, ohh, chess had pulled that stunt D1 he'd be dead to doornails.
AND I LYNCH STUPID BECAUSE STUPID IS NOT A COVER FOR BACKTRACKING AND BEING SCUM-
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You've got to be kidding me. Yea you know me running around saying ohhhhhh meta says this is tech.
And I wish plum was playing like chess because then she wouldn't be scum funny how that works. Instead she's playing like....... you. Huh its a mystery.
Preview edit says yeeehaw.
If I'm sittin in the bushes waiting for that turkey and a deer jumps out I'm gonna shoot that deer. Then eat it while I'm waiting for the turkey.
Phoned now so ill yell more later-
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