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There are many people here who can confirm flavor for you all.
Drench and I are 2 people I know of... (considering Drench showed my brother who showed me etc.)Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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ATTENTION:Anyone who has not seen this series should do so NOW. Not because it's required for the game. No. Because it's just that fucking epic.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Season 3 was an OVA.
Except Dice Killing... which was... just ignore it. It's not worth the effort to explain. xDYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Drench, Me, Exilon, TheLonging, Zazier.
DAMN, we have a lot of fans
Dont forget Rena!Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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The anime is epic in it's own right.
However,The VN is always infinitely better by definition.If you own it, read it.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I managed to get my hands on them at one point... but only for a bit.
I would like to have them again XDYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Expect me to use this at least ONCE this game.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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tumescence wrote:/confirming
I love Higurashi too. It's the pokemon with purple wings right?
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Don't be comparin' Pokemon to Higu.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I was waiting for the Miyo Takano vote to come.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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True friends help others hide the bodies. ^_^Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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That's what I'm talking about <3Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Carrotcake wrote:Lamba, telling us that you are going to use that later on takes away some of the magic when you finally do use it.
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Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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CityofAs wrote:I'll get us going with some questions:
1. What is your experience level? -how many games have you played in?
2. Do you agree with Lynch All Liars?
3. Do you agree with Lynch all Lurkers?
4. What would you do as scum at L-1 to try and shift the lynch away from you?
5. When do you find it appropriate to hammer someone?
My own answers:
1. This is my 8th game, the 2nd one on this site.
2. Depends. Lying is generally anti-town but I've seen a few games were a town lie helped the town.
3. No. Inactivity rarely determines alignment (but "active lurking" is a different story. When someone hangs around the thread alot but never posts any real content, this is a scumtell.)
4. I find that fake-scumhunting and suggesting a new lynch target doesn't work that well, it's usually seen as deflecting. I find alot of it is attitude, getting angry instead of depressed, providing a reasonable explanation for your behavior, and just voting for the next best lynch most of the time (that might be seen as scummy, but really thats would I would do as town. Town would rather lynch an unknown than a confirmed town (themselves).
5. Examples of when I would hammer are: a. When I am positive they are scum b. when it's not LyLo and they are the scummiest of the only viable lynch options
1. Dunno. X_X
2. No.
3. Not quite.
4. Uh... At L-1? Shift the blame on to Someone else? Maybe someone who had lied or lurked
5. L-1. Claim. Believe? Y/N. If N, hammer.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Can I ask why CityofA's is doing this though? It's not particularly useful evidence.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Carrotcake wrote:The questions are role-indepenent. So it seems to be more of a getting-to-know-you more than anything.
This, more than anything, explains why we get so little from this? The answers you post, may not be how you play. If you go back to this later in the game and say "You said NO to Lynch all Liars question, yet you are insistant on lynching Liar A, even though he explained why he lied! That's a contradiction!" etc.
It doesn't work like that. My opinion on these questions is just one of a general view point. It's not what I would use in every situation, regardless of my allignment. Just because I say "No" in the questions, doesn't mean I won't do it for other reasons later on.
My point being, succinctly, that using this as evidence is rather pointless. And if we can't use it as evidence, we're wasting our time on it.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I'm thinking that Miyo Takano is obv scum, if she's around, she's a scum.
I have a feeling Hanyuu and Rika are lovers. If one dies, so does other etc.
I'd hate to see Rika die... She's probably like "baker" role. 2 days after her death, town loses, unless all scum are dead.
I'm thinking Dr. Irie and Detective Ooishi are probs players.
Shion's probably a vig.
Satoko lays traps... Maybe a PGO?
The problem is... I can give a power for all these roles... But none can be confirmed inno except Rika and Hanyuu. That's an immediate inno claim.
I have a feeling that at least ONE of Keiichi/Shion/Mion is a scum.
Satoshi is probably in the game... And Satoko might be reflexive scum, dependant on Satoshi's death.
Actually, Shion is probably reflexive scum based off Satoshi's death.
Should I continue? None of this is really useful. It's just speculation, but I'm willing to share my specs with those who ask...Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Note that Rena said in her opening post that she could be scum. If this is bastard, I wouldn't rule it out. It's Rena Ryuguu after all xDYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Uh... What difference will it make asking as players keep their role names hidden?
It might actually help give us an idea of what kind of setup we can expect to have.
But, in any case, I'll refrain if you wish.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Nevermind... That was stupid.
Sorry.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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UncertainKitten wrote:Generally it'll give more information to the scum than the town, rather helpful information. I don't want to elaborate but will if pressed.
No need. I came to that conclusion about 10 seconds after I posted why I did it >.<
I'm just looking for some kind of lead outisde of using RVS/RQS.
But you are right in saying that this isn't the way to go about it.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Question 4 can be taken as WIFOM, if you expect that if someone was scum in that situation, using what they answer the question with to determine their guilt at L-1. That would be WIFOM, and that's what I expect TL meant?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I think the questions are pointless to be quite honest, but I also see no pro-town reason to NOT answer them.
I'll support UK in her request to see you answer these questions. Please do, if it's not too much trouble. ^_^Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Carrotcake wrote:
WHAT DOES EVERYONE THINK OF A FLAVOR CLAIM?
UNVOTE: VOTE: Carrotcake
That's what I think of it. Right after I was being really idiotic, and posted a lot of flavor info, you want to have us all claim our role flavors? What pro-town motivation can come from having everyone claim role name and flavor? If there is any, please enlighten me. As of right now, the only motivation I can see is scum wanting to know what kind of town roles they're up against. What I did was stupid. What you're doing is blatant rolefishing, and scummy.
More votes here please.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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May I ask what insight into the "character" of a player will do for you in a game?
Protip: The answer begins with "It doesn't do anything".
On another note, why are you so adamant in defending CityofA's RQS statement? It's weird.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Or, alternatively, you could not avoid the questions, and answer them now.
What pro-town motivation does Flavor claiming have?
Why are you defending CoA's RQS post so adamantly?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Good job of NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS.
EITHER OF THEM.
Instead using the "I'll let someone else answer you" at the end of your post.
Give me a break. This is the lynch for today guys.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Just so I'm clear. You've now told me HOW you defended CityofA, but not WHY... Avoided that question.
And you've told me you don't like me. That's awesome. And relevent to the point at hand... How?
You completely dodged the "How is flavor claiming pro-town" question.
So, do you want to try again? Maybe this time you can answer the questions clearly, instead of throwing up walls of BS?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Carrotcake wrote:I would change my vote for you, if it wasn't already there. I answered one of your questions, inluding why. Re-read, or learn to read and then re-read. You must have a selective reading problem. You would have picked up on the role-fishing isse too if you were a bit sharper. Go go go, push the speedlynch anyways.
So what you're saying is that you would OMGUS my vote, if you had not already RVS'd me.
Yah, you're really not helping yourself here.
Also, I'm the one bringing up points against you, that you REFUSE to answer to.
If you think I'm scummy, please make a case. Right now, all you're doing is saying that "I'm gonna vote you, because you don't agree with me and you think I'm scummy."
Note that you have STILL refused for a third time to answer EITHER of my questions. Could it be that you don't like how your answers would sound? Could it be that answering my questions would show people how scummy you are? If I'm doing "selective reading" as you claim, then prove my questions invalid, and answer them. But I don't think you can.
So, for the 4th time:
What pro-town motivation can come from asking for a flavor claim?
Why are you so adamant in defending CityofA's RQS?
I'm more interested in the first one than the second one, but I want to see both.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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And maybe I need to clarify for you. What I mean by the second question is "Why aren't you letting CityofA defend his own posts?"
I hope that clears it up.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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@Lambda: OMGUS is a silly concept and a buzz word.
I couldn't think of another way to express the point >.<
I could try saying "You are saying that you would vote me, simply because I voted you, if you had not already RVS'd me?"
Is that any better?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Lambda wrote:If you think I'm scummy, please make a case. Right now, all you're doing is saying that "I'm gonna vote you, because you don't agree with me and you think I'm scummy."
I asked for kinda the same here. The second part is biased slightly, due to it being me he's throwing this vote at, but the point is the same.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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He's done nothing but refuse for me. I hope he responds to you. It will be infinitely more helpful to town if he responds.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Zodiark, what do you think of Carrotcake and his refusal to answer to the points raised by me (as seen above)?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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TheLonging wrote:
I said this? o_o I don't remember that.SpyreX wrote:
There is a HUGE difference between 'evidence' and 'a case'.TL wrote:My point being, succinctly, that using this as evidence is rather pointless. And if we can't use it as evidence, we're wasting our time on it.
However, there is information to be had all over. I said I'd hammer even without a claim and not a peep.
He's confused. I remember that because I'm the one who said it, not you.
P-Edit: UK, he's posted a list of "reasons why people disagree with Flavor Analysis". He carried himself in that post as someone who knew what they were talking about.
So either he was blowing out his ass, or he has /some/ kind of experience.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Don't get me wrong UK. I would rather have him answer the questions too... but I'm pointing out that from his posts, it's rather unlikely that he has so little experience, as to make that mistake.
I'm not truly calling for a lynch, I'm calling for pressure. He's scummy enough (new or not) for me that I would like to see him answer my questions. He refuses to do so without pressure apparently, according to this:
Carrotcake wrote: I'll let this sit for a while. I want a lot of people involved. Though someone else will probably answer you anways.UncertainKitten wrote:I make it fairly obvious I have an older account. And actually, I think join date/post amount here does matter.If you've played off site, you should very well know the style of play here is different. Some things are acceptable in other places that'd never fly here, and vice versa.
What I'm trying to determine if it's one of those or if he's, as LL says, blowing out his ass.
She's right in saying this TL. I've had some recent experience with certain tells that I've used off-site, that people shot down and deemed ridiculous. Contrastingly, I had never heard of RVS until I got here, and in the first game I played (halted due to mod error) I had some serious pressure applied to me, due to questioning RVS. So I can see where UK is coming from.
However, that doesn't mean I don't want to see him pressured and answer my damn questions. xDYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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UncertainKitten wrote: As for his scumminess, I think that I need my requests answered before I cancertainly determine his intent. I'm sure you know a lot about certainty, right?
Oh you.
But yes, I'll agree to that. If his explanation is sufficient that I can believe his intentions, I will remove my vote. I'm not going to tunnel him to the gallows UK.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I know players that would .
Would this person happen to speak in an excessive amount of Caps, and have a name that rhymes with Mate, Date, Late and Ate?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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He can? Damn.
Not what I've been seeing LOL. It's all "my way, or you're fucking dead" with him.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Interesting...
While we wait for Carrotcake to return: I went back through Higurashi/ Higurashi Kai last night.
I know for a fact that Rena/Haylen has never read the VN, so I think everything in this game will be based off the anime. If you haven't watched it in a while, I suggest doing so UK.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Heh. Ooishi kicks ass.
Seriously though, I'm pretty sure Drench won this thread earlier with "I'll hammer likemarioMionShion".
Props if you get the second joke inside a joke.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Good UK. -hands a cookie-Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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SSSSSHHHH!
Don't say that so loud! She might think you're helping the aliens!Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I want him to answer my questions, so I can either formulate the full case on him, or believe him, and focus on other suspects.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I believe I explained that as a momentary lapse of judgement on my part. I thought it might help town in some way to have a rough guess of what roles could be scum/in the game etc.
Then I realized how stupid that was >.<
And even after I get chided, and I admitted that this was a mistake on my part, Carrotcake comes in and asks for role names from everyone.
That's what caught my attention. I made the mistake already... So how can someone public male that mistake a second time without having an intent to do so?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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If you have answered in any way shape or form the question of "How is Flavor claiming pro-town?" please show me.
Other wise, you've just refused to answer my question.
AGAIN.
Also, trying to shift the blame onto Zodiark doesn't make you look more pro-town.
Also, you told me to stop "insulting you". (Which incidentaly, I never did) I'm sorry, but isn't calling Zodiark a troll and telling him to go get some friends just that? Pot, meet kettle.
Final note: You're still asking to have people claim roles! Seriously? We said it's a bad idea, so enough!
@UK: Have you seen enough? Another refusal by him to answer the question.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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carrotcake wrote:Do some research? To find out you dislike RVS, and that your tastes are even worth researching? Hahaha. How self centered can you possibly be, troll?Go and make more friends.
Like that?
And you did ask for a Flavor claim! >.< why are you backtracking now?
What pro-town motivation can come from a flavor claim? <--- for the sixth time
I said it's just for the pressure because, guess what? I'm not going to tunnel on you. I voted you for a reason. If you could satisfy my question, I'd unvote you. You refuse, my vote remains.
Also, can you stop asking 15 questions, and answer my 1 that you've avoided forever?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Are you fucking serious?
Did you seriously just post a fucking wall of questions, expect me to get all of them in one post, and when I miss one, use the same thing I've been presuring you for? You're unbelievable. Stop wasting everyones time and start being useful FFS!
How will a flavor claim instantly win us the game when scum has fake claims that are prepared by the mod?
What pro-town motivation does flavor claiming have?
P-Edit: You're asking people "what does everyone think of a flavor claim?" that means that you support it. Don't deny that you support it, because you just said "a flavor claim could win us the game instantly".
So, my point is still valid. Also, the question I'm asking remains independant of this.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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BTW, generally, people put quotation marks around other peoples words to, shock, QUOTE THEM.
Sorry that I CBA to use the quote function every time I want to show that you've said something.
Your deflecting at Zodiark when you avoid the points I make, and instead attack him, with no base other than "you're a troll".Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I've now answered all your questions. Because unlike you, I'm not afraid to have questions asked of me because I'm town.
And you, who refuses to give me a straight answer, are scumming it up.
Now answer my question. 1 line. 1 post. No other shit mixed in.
What pro-town motivation comes from a flavor claim?
If you think you've already answered this, go back, find what you said, quote it and post it!
Thank you!Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Also, before you say "you're avoiding my question!"
If I missed a question, repost it on it's own, and make it clear you want it answered.
I'll then answer it.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I've never seen a mod that hasn't done this. UK, along with others who have nodded before, can back me up on this.
So no, the answers not because I'm scum. It's a general rule.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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carrotcake wrote:A flavor claim might win us the game, instantly. The question is for you guys though. You want a discussion, then answer it.
This is what I'm referencing when I say he supports a flavor claim.
P-edit: thank you Drench for making my point much more succinct.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Drench wants to believe that a miracle can occur.
But I don't see Bern in this game.. Just Lambda.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Despite my username, I love Bern more than I do Lambda.
It's just Lambda reflects me more than Bern does.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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http://www.mafiascum.net/archive/viewto ... 1fdc605496
Look at this game in the archives.
Guess who was strangled Night 1?
Looks like CarrotCake has had some experience prior to the site's move.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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In that mess of confusion, I can't find anything legitimate.
Carrotcake, if you have a Legit question you want answered, post it alone in one post, and not 5 straight posts.
However, I'm going to LOL at Carrot saying this was a Gambit to draw out scum.
The gambit was apparently that ONLYSCUMWOULD BE AFRAID OF A FLAVOR CLAIM.
That's just inherently wrong. Scum would love to see a flavor claim. Gives them tons of info.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Note: Carrotcake is @ L-2.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Would it be considered taking it too far if I responded to that with:
What pro-town motivation can come from shooting Carrot in the face?
And then expecting you to answer?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Please stop avoiding the question UK. I would like to know the answer.
(Spyrex, I'm just messing around. I'm fairly sure UK is too. Or I hope so LOL)
P-Edit: Yah, I was playing along.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I was just making a point about the question that Carrot had refused to answer:
"What pro-town motivation does flavor claiming have?"
And I was just making a joke based off that.
Though, UK's right. I may be friends with all of you... But in this game, you can't trust anyone.
Though, for the most part, I have a strong town read on UK and Drench, followed by Spyrex.
P-edit: You can tack CityofA's vote on the end of Carrot's wagon SpyreXYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Also, the "Stop avoiding the question UK" was a reference to when he kept repeating that line in his posts. xD
P-Edit: I know. My syntax is weird. I have a tendancy to put too much into a post when I'm not paying attention.
Like, or the first half I'll be sarcastic, and then I'll get serious, forgetting that I was using sarcasm.
My bad.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,click here.
If you wish tospeak to one of us, we are Niamh, Rhiannon, Rhea, Aisling, Saoirse, Selene, Aoife, Fírinne, Aurélie, Lyra, Airna, Fiadh and Laoise.
Soar on wings of retribution and set the world ablaze-
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Lady Lambdadelta She/FaerRise of the PhoenixShe/Faer
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