Prof. Guppy wrote:Not random voting.
How's that working out for you
My "fuck you"-dar just got a.....shut up!Prof. Guppy wrote:Quite well, actually. My scumdar just got a blip when I pointed it in your direction.Oman wrote:Prof. Guppy wrote:Not random voting.Vote The good Prof. Guppy
How's that working out for you
<3 been a while mate, saw you and had to join.curiouskarmadog wrote:No votes huh?
And, slap my ass and call me charlie..oman, here???????? Been ages.
vote Oman, you the man.
Not really, that's quite big thing to just trust you with. I don't need to know powers or anything (unless the power is that you both confirm), but I'm just not buying such an easy to produce mason pair like that.FakeGod wrote:It's mod-confirmed that Charlie and I are both town.
May I leave it that?
Does it matter either way? If it is a breadcrumb, would I go about explaining it?Xite91 wrote:Oman... uh... breadcrumb or random noise?Oman wrote:I don't know much, but I know I love you.
Props if you do, I thought the board was ambiguous enough, but if you've got it, then you're sharp.Xite91 wrote:@Oman, I think I get your claimed breadcrumb
Interested as to what this is, because I have no idea where they are at the moment.Xite91 wrote: I have a guess as to what's going on, but I need charlie's answer first
Pretty sure this is a dangerous assumption that I'm not happy people making in the dark.Xite91 wrote:Okay, brian? Let him answer my question, then I can answer yours, because I'm fairly certain what's going on and it's an easy deduction to make if you look at their posts.
What an odd comment.Charlie wrote:If I could day-kill anyone, it would be him at this point.
I know this is throwaway line, but that's where the good stuff happens, when it wasn't planned out. You use A) the term "buddy" which in mafia nomenclature never has a good meaning (buddy-up, scumbuddy, buddy comedies staring owen wilson). And to say it to Reckamonic, who is a Hydra anyway. Just seems...odd. I know, friendly social rah rah rah, but sometimes it's just too odd.fakegod 50 wrote:lol reck, you're just jealous cuz I got a buddy
I hate this "you're not allowed to discuss us! even though we're the only critical thing in the game so far!" I also had a huge amount of problems with post #68 where he comes forward and says "we are both mod-confirmed town" but it takes charlie so much longer to get that out. I'm still not sure it is mod confirmed. Especially when his next comment is "I was able to figure it out from my Role-PM" (#75)fakegod 56 wrote:We had a good reason. Trust me.
And what did I say about rolefishing discussing about me and Charlie? hmmm?
old school psychology. Doesn't hold water. Check again.Pieman 54 wrote: Yabba, why push it further and try to discern anymore of their roles, when more info about everyone's roles, at this point is detrimental.
This is stupid. Theory is separate from alignment because theory is the overview of the game itself, not of the specifics of one game. It's also not that great theory, it's full of holes and easily breakable.222 wrote:[Tasky's] theory box is too wonderful to be scum-created.
CKD wrote:you mean this "case"? there isnt a case here?
You strike me as a 16 year old who plays the game well, but needs a friend.Tasky wrote:Oman, your post is so full of crap it hurts.
Whoops, I kind of went top down and forgot about him. I did it over two or three steps.Tasky wrote:... is that? what? finish your sentences pleaseOman wrote:[*]brianj: The worst thing I could say about braianj is that ...
Tasky wrote:[*]Charlie: This dude has attained semi-confirmed status quite easily because of the softclaim. The way I see it there are only three outcomes, one is that they're not fully confirmed, two is that, and three is that we now have two confirmed town. I'll you what, it's a great outcome for us,they're scum pulling a gambit, which doesn't seem likely at allbecause if one comes up scum, the other is likely town, and while they're both alive, they're both likely town. So for now I'm happy to give Charlie my tick, but we'll see. Really comes out of his shell at post #87 where he suddenly has a lot more confidence and posts big explainations. Why the change here?It just doesn't fit. Post #91 is really interesting because it's the inside man's view. Let's assume Charlie is town for now: he posts about reactions to himself, giving a different perspective. It's also really dangerous because he's emotionally involved. That lineIt almost feels like the gambit is working, so he pipes up a little.Charlie wrote:If I could day-kill anyone, it would be him at this point.What an odd comment.
My biggest problems are that he said "Mason-like". There was no mention of confirming two players, which would have been the first thing out of my mouth as a town player making the call to softclaim.I also hate the "useless" thing.those two sententes are a little contradicting each other, aren't they?
this is total crap. they both confirmed each other. a townie would no reason to lie. therefore they are either both town or both anti-town (or we have a bastard mod, but if I remember right we excluded this).
what is so odd about it? is odd=scummy? if yes, how? if no, why bother with it?
what didn't you like?
Charlie probably hoped to find his partner without outing themselves, or at least wanted to keep the option open to not reveal himself
Tasky wrote:[*]curiouskarmadog: CKD has this skeptical outlook, that lead to a lot of questions about the roles. Then he really fires up. I don't know about alignment on that.Note #156 as a CKD defense of Xite.Nothing serious. Oh man, after what happens page 8+ you guys have bigger issues.what is so noteworthy about it? is it scummy? is it a town-tell? something else?
Put this in your theorybox, dude, until I know the alignment of a single mafioso (and I will, even if just one), I can't find half as much scummy stuff as I will afterwards. Basically, the most scummy stuff is about interactions with and reactions to confirmed town and confirmed scum. Scum is not more likely to use the word buddy than town, but we use the word buddy to relate to to scummy things. To refer to something as "buddy" is what threw me. But it's about deeply ingrained thoughts there, and I'm not happy to vote on that early.Tasky wrote:
[*]FakeGod: vote going to the highest bandwagon in the RVS is cool. Nulltell. #30's comment of "my role is as useless as [charlie's]" sucks for a softclaim too.I know this is throwaway line, but that's where the good stuff happens, when it wasn't planned out.fakegod 50 wrote:lol reck, you're just jealous cuz I got a buddyYou use A) the term "buddy" which in mafia nomenclature never has a good meaning (buddy-up, scumbuddy, buddy comedies staring owen wilson). And to say it to Reckamonic, who is a Hydra anyway. Just seems...odd. I know, friendly social rah rah rah, but sometimes it's just too odd.I hate thisfakegod 56 wrote:We had a good reason. Trust me.
And what did I say about rolefishing discussing about me and Charlie? hmmm?"you're not allowed to discuss us! even though we're the only critical thing in the game so far!"I also had a huge amount of problems with post #68 where he comes forward and says "we are both mod-confirmed town" but it takes charlie so much longer to get that out. I'm still not sure it is mod confirmed. Especially when his next comment is "I was able to figure it out from my Role-PM" (#75)you keep pointing out odd things, find scummy stuff. or if you want, pro-town-tells (but I wouldn't always share those). what you are saying there is bullshit: it's so not game relevant. why is scum more likely to use the word buddy than town?
Hey, if he says so, he is either lying (and is scum), or there is absolutely no reason not to believe him. if he is town, he doesn't want to confuse us (at least this is what I hope and expect). the fact that your are still doubting this is starting to get scummy. it could be that you fear to confirmed town are too much for you to handle, so you try to discredit them. it you think they are scum, say so. bring arguments. but, in that case they are BOTH scum
Is it scummy? if yes, why?
No, it's just incorrect. People can be wrong about theory without being scum.Tasky wrote:[*]PieMan: This guy does one of the biggest scumtells I've seen, dodges RVS without reason. He votes for backup mod, and then at #20 jumps on this "RVS sucks" bandwagon that is completely arbitrary.Pieman 54 wrote: Yabba, why push it further and try to discern anymore of their roles, when more info about everyone's roles, at this point is detrimental.old school psychology. Doesn't hold water. Check again.is old psychology = scummy?
Tasky wrote:[*]Tasky replaces Me=Weird.Tasky strikes me as a bit of a jerk. He's really arrogant in his first post #135. Theory box is jerky, posts are jerky, dogma comments are jerky.Tasky just reminds me of every spammer that we find out later is playing 2 accounts in a game or just wastes time. I don't really feel like I have a lot of time for the guy, that said,he does seem pretty sharp. I mean, he's thinking, which is good news.And there seems to be enough respect that this game will play out well.Even through out differences, we could play a strong game, Tasky.Now are you with me or against me?are you trying to buddy up to me?
I always respect the players I play with. should I get "jerky", it is as a mean in the game. I don't intend it against you or in general.
lol. I'm with you if you help me catch scum.
The vote for him suggests so (but not always ) Yes at the moment I really do.Tasky wrote:so, do you think Xite is scum or not?[*]Xite91 Lots of noise. The amount of posting doesn't correspond with the amount of information. Asking me if I was breadcrumbing is a stupid question, and definitely not a town one.
Tasky wrote:yabbaguy: Pulling off that mystery wedge guess was excellent.But I honestly don't know what to think about it in the context of scum town, it's just too cleanly guessed that if either of them (or both) turn up scum, yabba guy is in on it (i.e. scum, or rolecop). If not, he deserves a prize for that guess.#97, huge issue.Xite has this habit of saying "I GET WHAT YOUR BREADCRUMB/VAGUE POST WAS SAYING!" I don't think it's helpful, it's definitely not a good idea. It adds nothing and it feels like buddying.Made rolefishing #112.I posted that I didn't get the CKD vote, and I still mean it.#161 is a horrible post."AtE Noted" when did respect get kicked out of this game?Full of emotion, was never going to show anything.#178: Worst version of one of the worst ways to read someone ever.he can't be right! there is no way there can be one and only one one scum in {Charlie FakeGod}. again, falling back on your craplogic
?? explain this again please, don't get it
do you think this kind of post is posted more likely by town or by scum
what about that post makes you think Xite is scum?huh? what has respect have to do with that post?
what's "way to read someone" are you referring to? what's the "worst version". explanation please
Tasky wrote:this is total bullshit again. now tell me: WHY WOULD FAKEGOD CONFIRM CHARLIE IF CHARLIE WAS SCUM BUT FAKEGOD WAS TOWN?Xite+Charlie+1 (either greyman or maybe even CKD, if he's got the balls for a confrontation this early)
Understood.Tasky wrote: but I've still got my eye on you!
FoS: Oman
Then they're even more pointless. Confirmation bias.I only do ISO's after I'm convinced someone's scum.
I do not remember and cannot find this post where i voted you. Can you point it out for me?CKD wrote:@Oman
If your opinion on me is based on little but gut feeling, I want to know what you specifically meant by "It feels like you're trying to throw smoke out to cover something" on the post you voted for me. Reading through the thread I can't really see anything that justifies this statement at all, especially after hearing your reasoning. It just looks like filler statement thrown to make your vote look better.
I read that, and I already told you it was horribly offensive to assume that because people don't agree with you, that they're just not reading.Xite91 wrote:This is only true if people are readingyabbaguy wrote:If your points are solid, you don't need big font sizes to get the point across.lol. do you know a better way to address specific points in a quote?
Notice how that last sentence is supposed to resonate in your mind, and all without fancy fonts.
Sorry dude, that was the source. As I said "it feels" I take a lot of my early wagons from a gut feeling rather than specifics because I honestly feel that early reasoning is even worse than early gut.brianj wrote: Clearly you wrote the quoted person wrong, the comment was from me not CKD which I suspect is source of your problem. Just in case:
Post #160.Oman wrote:I'm not sure where this Pieman wagon is coming from, but I haven't had a chance to go back and review him or the cases on him.
VOTE: brianj Nothing you have done is interesting me to the point that it takes away that early suspicion. I took the vote off due to the focus being elsewhere, butyour analysis is poor, and undisciplined. It feels like you're trying to throw smoke out to cover something.
The last note should not be touched by anyone, due to it's massive WIFOM-ness that is better on our side as it is. The first three points I find to be extrapolations. How do you know that Charlie used his kill and we don't have an SK out there, that targeted Charlie, and Mafia targeted CKD? I'm not saying that it's not a good guess on your part with good info, what I am noting is that you shouldn't be saying "Know".FakeGod wrote: Thanks to his gambit, now I know that 1) Charlie has been shot by the mafia, 2) Charlie has shot ckd last night, and 3) I am the one-shot sane doctor.
And lastly, I didn't choose to save anyone yesterday, and still have my one-shot protection left in my arsenal.
This is probably the biggest reason I hate the guppy wagon. This looks really scum driven. No reasons just a "oh yeah, gut". We're at 9A, which means a gut lynch will put us at 7A, assumedly lynch or lose. If there is an SK (i.e. the kill was not charlie's), this could very well be LYLO. I demand reasons for this vote.Tazaro wrote:Man, the vibes I'm getting from Professor Guppy; he inexplicably pings my scumdar...
[b}Unvote[/b]
Vote: Professor Guppy
This is the issue with the other wagon. I haven't yet found a pieman argument that convinces me. (Yes that does mean I'm voting him for competing wagon's sake, which is pretty much my MO anyway. /inb4omgwagonscum).Reckamonic wrote:[Pieman] IS scum
1. The fact that the role PMs came out after charlie died means that FakeGodtasky wrote:Oman:
1. do you still believe FakeGod could be scum? if no, what made you change your mind?
2. do you think I am scum?
3. what do you think about FakeGod's argument for voting yabbaguy/Guppy?
No, we're saying "competing wagons" because both are pretty poor, and we need some info from it. Even though I've mention the bad feeling I've had from both wagons.Tazaro wrote:We're doing this Pieman vote with interesting timing, aren't we?; Are we saying "competing wagons" to veil an scummy intention of getting on another wagon in case it can possibly receive a hammer?Oman wrote:Vote Pieman
What I really want to see here is two competing wagons, one at L-1, one at L-2 and see who is willing to do the pieman lynch that has been talking about the last few days. This also give the Guppy people a chance to explain why he is scummy. So far the biggest thing I've seen is "A town dude FoSed him before he was lynched".
FoS: Oman
Assuming you want this answered: Wagons build information. I would never say I have no intention for a lynch right now because that devalues pressure (like I just did!).Reckamonic wrote:Why is he okay with being on one of those wagons if he thinks it could be lylo!?
brianj wrote:1. Yes, I am un-counterclaimed mason, and I took care to associate myself slightly with CKD last day too.
Rather pointless question to ask me in my opinion, if it were me questioning the player likely to be town I'll be asking for his reads or opinion on certain situations.
also declaring I'll probably be absent until Thursday since I have lab reports to prepare and hand in next few days. On that noteUnvotefor now since I don't want the day to end while I'm gone either.
He just feels really off, and the confirmation process was almost entirely his side, Charlie didn't confirm him until very late in the game, and even then it felt reluctant.yabbadabbadoo wrote:@Oman: FakeGod's NOT confirmed? Town-Charlie said for fact that he was. Why are you still trying to refute this?
charlie, quite early wrote: This completes the cycle: If I die and flip town he is confirmed town. If he dies and flips town I am confirmed town. If anything else occurs, I shall neuter a cougar.
The whole competing wagons thing was to see where Pieman and Guppy would go with their votes. Guppy's has maintained, which...well it was there for a while (pre my vote). So I guess it doesn't really fit into this. I can't retroactively call him on that. What does fit however is that Pieman has never previously referenced Guppy. Well once and it was "I don't remember any post about guppy". And now he's voting him *only* because he is the other wagon. Look at the reasoning he puts with his vote "not voting in a pro-town way". It's self-perpetuating. But now that he is the other dude, he just throws the vote down.Tasky wrote:explain better plz. what did you think?Oman wrote:Thought so.
what implications do you think it has?