Mini 1041: Wheel of Fortune Mafia (Game over!)

[Oman]

Keep in mind that xite's last foses were

CKD

, yabbaguy, and guppy.

This is quite literally the perfect example of WIFOM. Don't forget that FoSes are the lower end of the spectrum anyway.

[Oman]

EBWOP: I also meant to say that resolving back like that works better with NKs than with lynches.

[Tazaro]

If I had to choose between yabba and guppy at this point, I would say guppy.

Vote: Prof. Guppy

Is yabbaguy acting like his town self in this game?

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

Tazaro (2): yabbaguy, PieMan
PieMan (2): Reckamonic, Prof. Guppy
Prof. Guppy (4): Tasky, Tazaro, FakeGod, brianj
Not voting (1): Oman

With

9

players alive, it takes

5

votes to lynch.

[brianj]

Mod:

I also voted for Prof. Guppy which means he is in fact in L-1.
Wouldn't want someone to hammer him accidentally -_-

[yabbaguy]

I voted for Tasky BEFORE his points after the fact. What was inaccurate? I voted for Pieman when he wasn't voting, and

he seems to not know what he's doing as much as others

.

I realize that he hadn't given reasons, but surely you realize that such a thing as pressure voting existed. While it's now becoming apparent to me that Tasky is openly willing to swing his vote baselessly, what was your indication that it was somehow scummy to not provide reasons initially? That's the issue I have with that.

The emphasis in the quote is an interesting remark- "not knowing what he's doing" is an asinine reason to vote someone for scumminess.

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Tasky is throttling my mind now, how do people usually put with people who just go "lol, haha, random vote past RVS"?

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Keep in mind that xite's last foses were

CKD

, yabbaguy, and guppy.

If I had to choose between yabba and guppy at this point, I would say guppy.

Vote: Prof. Guppy

I don't understand this.

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Essentially, I'm quite certain Guppy's getting scumwagonned by Tazaro at least, maybe Tasky.

[Tazaro]

You sound pretty certain of Gubby's being town, yabbaguy.

[yabbaguy]

I am very certain right now.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod:

I also voted for Prof. Guppy which means he is in fact in L-1.
Wouldn't want someone to hammer him accidentally -_-

Corrected.

[Oman]

Vote Pieman

What I really want to see here is two competing wagons, one at L-1, one at L-2 and see who is willing to do the pieman lynch that has been talking about the last few days. This also give the Guppy people a chance to explain why he is scummy. So far the biggest thing I've seen is "A town dude FoSed him before he was lynched".

[Oman]

Man, the vibes I'm getting from Professor Guppy; he inexplicably pings my scumdar...
[b}Unvote[/b]

Vote: Professor Guppy

This is probably the biggest reason I hate the guppy wagon. This looks really scum driven. No reasons just a "oh yeah, gut". We're at 9A, which means a gut lynch will put us at 7A, assumedly lynch or lose. If there is an SK (i.e. the kill was not charlie's), this could very well be LYLO. I demand reasons for this vote.

[Pieman] IS scum

This is the issue with the other wagon. I haven't yet found a pieman argument that convinces me. (Yes that does mean I'm voting him for competing wagon's sake, which is pretty much my MO anyway. /inb4omgwagonscum).

There is an argument that pieman is coasting through the game, and I agree, but Guppy is doing the same.


The speed of the wagons has long been a favourite tell of mine, and pieman's hit a certain place D1 and stopped, guppy hit L-1 really quickly. They're both bad signs because the votes that have gone on both wagons have had really poor reasoning within.

Anyway, I'd be interested to see how wagon/counter-wagon progresses.

[Tasky]

FakeGod. your argument is bullshit. just because Xite FoS'ed people, it doesn't mean they are scum. Xite knew as much as we did.

I am totally confused right now, I reread the thread 3 times and I really can't tell anything major. And I am still bugged that I was wrong on Xite.

therefore I a am going to ask some questions. I want anyone to answer exactly the questions I ask them. Nobody shall answers someone else's questions. I want you to motivate your answers. Disclaimer: those questions could be traps.

Prof. Guppy:
1. assume you were someone else (town aligned). would you find this post scummy? why?
2. do you think yabbaguy is scum?
3. do you think yabbaguy thinks you are scum?
4. did you really think Xite was scum or did you just follow suite?

Oman:
1. do you still believe FakeGod could be scum? if no, what made you change your mind?
2. do you think I am scum?
3. what do you think about FakeGod's argument for voting yabbaguy/Guppy?

Tazaro:
1. why do you think yabbaguy is voting you?
2. do you think what you pointed out in this post is a scumtell?
3. why did you hammer Xite?
4. assume you were someone else (town aligned). would you be suspicious about Tazaro's hammering?

yabbaguy:
1. in this post, what are you certain about? that Taz is scum or that Guppy is town. in both cases, why are you so certain about it?
2. is voting for a stupid reason scummy? (in particular, is Taz scummy for voting for an "asinine reason"? isn't that a form of "not knowing what he is doing" too?)

brianj:
1. do you think I believe your claim?

FakeGod:
1. assume you were someone else (town aligned). would there be any reason no to believe FakeGod's claim?

PieMan:
1. how likely to you think it is, that it was not Charlies fault that CKD died? (e.g that there was a vig or a SK)
2. why didn't you vote Xite yesterday?
3. why didn't you vote at all yesterday after unvoting me?
4. what would you say if I now announced that that whole theory box of mine is a lie and that I do not believe a word of it?

Reckamonic:
1. do you still think Charlie is "plain dumb"? (*)
2. do you think FakeGod is going to be today's mafia-kill? (*)
3. if I were a doc, who should I protect?
4. if we lynch PieMan today and he flips town, would you be willing to take a lynch tomorrow?

[PieMan]

1. how likely to you think it is, that it was not Charlies fault that CKD died? (e.g that there was a vig or a SK)
2. why didn't you vote Xite yesterday?
3. why didn't you vote at all yesterday after unvoting me?
4. what would you say if I now announced that that whole theory box of mine is a lie and that I do not believe a word of it?

1 I would say maybe 10% there are 7 people unaccounted for with an assumed 3 maf, that leaves 4 townies.
we had, 4 power roles, so a vig I think is unlikely unless we also had a SK, but I seriously doubt that set-up. We could have a lone sk, but I think as an sk I would have went with someone who was less likely to have pressure on them later.
2 He didnt really seem that scummy to me.
3 There at the beginning, I was really just lost, then Taz told me to vote, so I felt less like voting, and I saw that the xite wagon was probably headed, so I knew no voting but against him, would really do much of anything.
4 I would be confused, since you have used a similar theory before, but I dont think it would completely surprise me, since you do seem to have a different methodology to playing.

[Prof. Guppy]

Prof. Guppy:
1. assume you were someone else (town aligned). would you find this post scummy? why?
2. do you think yabbaguy is scum?
3. do you think yabbaguy thinks you are scum?
4. did you really think Xite was scum or did you just follow suite?

1. No, I don't think that post is scummy. I was pointing out something that didn't add up. I didn't believe his accusation was genuine.
2. I don't have a clear read on yabbaguy as of yet. He seems kind of distant and detached from the game. But that could be a result of any number of factors.
3. I think you are asking the wrong person that question.
4. The way I saw it, if Xite was not scum, he was a really crappy townie whose play style was more harmful than helpful. Either way, he's G2G.

[Oman]

Oman:
1. do you still believe FakeGod could be scum? if no, what made you change your mind?
2. do you think I am scum?
3. what do you think about FakeGod's argument for voting yabbaguy/Guppy?

1. The fact that the role PMs came out after charlie died means that FakeGod

could

be lieing about the "exact same role PM" line. The flavour fits mystery wedge very well, and the behaviour that led up to all of this.
2. I haven't ruled you out, and we're getting closer and closer to "process of elimination" lynches.
3. I think it's fucking bullshit, and I said so at the time. FoSes are the lower end of the suspicion scale, half the time I don't use them, and half the time when others do I disregard them. They're just a way of recording suspicion. Add on to that "Townies can be wrong" (which I feel like I need to make a wiki page for, tvtropes style) and it's a null argument. FakeGod has never sat well with me, but I'd be a brave man to turn against a claim such as his (especially as the confirmation thing came out eventually).

Additional question for you Tasky:

1. Do you think brianj is scum?
2. Do you think brianj is confirmed town?

[StrangerCoug]

Reckamonic is prodded.

[Reckamonic]

Urgh. We got our prod. Will get a good post in today at some point.

[Tasky]

1. Do you think brianj is scum?
2. Do you think brianj is confirmed town?

1. no
2. almost. I just want to give everyone the opportunity to counterclaim. (haven't checked whether everybody posted after brianj's claim). should there be no counterclaim, yes.

PS: if you are the real mason out there: CLAIM! there is no use of not claiming. you are not a power role, so you have no reason to hide from scum.

[Tasky]

damn... I just noticed I answered brianj's question for him. lol

[Tazaro]

Tazaro:
1. why do you think yabbaguy is voting you?
2. do you think what you pointed out in this post is a scumtell?
3. why did you hammer Xite?
4. assume you were someone else (town aligned). would you be suspicious about Tazaro's hammering?

1. He is voting for someone who can be looked at suspicious (which is due to my bad play). I know I always use that excuse.
2. I was insinuating that being certain of someone's townness is possible only for scum.
3. To move the game along.
4. Hammering can be quite suspicious. Moving the game along maybe not so much.

[Tazaro]

Vote Pieman

What I really want to see here is two competing wagons, one at L-1, one at L-2 and see who is willing to do the pieman lynch that has been talking about the last few days. This also give the Guppy people a chance to explain why he is scummy. So far the biggest thing I've seen is "A town dude FoSed him before he was lynched".

We're doing this Pieman vote with interesting timing, aren't we?; Are we saying "competing wagons" to veil an scummy intention of getting on another wagon in case it can possibly receive a hammer?

FoS: Oman

[Oman]

Vote Pieman

What I really want to see here is two competing wagons, one at L-1, one at L-2 and see who is willing to do the pieman lynch that has been talking about the last few days. This also give the Guppy people a chance to explain why he is scummy. So far the biggest thing I've seen is "A town dude FoSed him before he was lynched".

We're doing this Pieman vote with interesting timing, aren't we?; Are we saying "competing wagons" to veil an scummy intention of getting on another wagon in case it can possibly receive a hammer?

FoS: Oman

No, we're saying "competing wagons" because both are pretty poor, and we need some info from it. Even though I've mention the bad feeling I've had from both wagons.

Your defence of Pieman is noted though. Why are you voting Guppy? The entirety of your case is "inexplicably pinging [your] scumdar." That is just gut. Your earlier attack of pieman: "he could be [scum]".



Tasky: The mason question was more about the fact that CKD never confirmed him town, they are not necessarily confirmed, we have only brianj's word on it. I just thought it was an interesting concept.

[FakeGod]

@Tasky: From my experience from RL mafia, person who's getting bandwagoned + lynched tends to have higher-than-normal accuracy in nailing scum.

And I don't see why a town player wouldn't believe my claim.

[Oman]

@Tasky: From my experience from RL mafia, person who's getting bandwagoned + lynched tends to have higher-than-normal accuracy in nailing scum.

Lol?

And I don't see why a town player wouldn't believe my claim.

LAWL!

[Reckamonic]

Update... couldn't actually get around to catching up in our games tonight. Fairly busy day today/Tuesday with exams and whatnot, but should be able to get up to snuff Tuesday evening.