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Snow_Bunny wrote:So, scums out there, I have this wonderful ability that turns scum into town. So, who's scum? Let me help you. It's totally free.
I think Snow Bunny just claimed Cult Recruiter.
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Lyman's coddling of Vaya is off putting. Extreme early sheltering.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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Josh Lyman wrote:
Might I remind you this is a bastard game. NOTHING is impossible, and IIecerint wrote:
Ya, but given that you have claimed Miller and have 3rd party-ish flavor, it's impossible that you are checks-innocent-3rd. Or at least rather unlikely.Fishythefish wrote:A note to iec - typically, third party roles investigate as innocent to cops. I know this.can'twon't say anymore about that right now.
Okay, yes, it WAS a random vote; none of the "reasons" I gave are real reasons. Back off, guys, it's just a game..... okay?
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I think you are confusing me with UK.Snow_Bunny wrote:@SP: A cult recruiter that can only recruit mafia? That's something I'm yet to see. And, if that were the case, why would you vote for someone who is against the same people town is against?
Cult Recruiter != town.SocioPath wrote:I think Snow Bunny just claimed Cult Recruiter.
Even if there was a Cult Recruiter that could only recruit scum, they still wouldn't be for town.
It'd be like Mafia B taking people from Mafia A and making the B group bigger. That only hurts the remaining Mafia A group. Doesn't help the town any.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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Because of what I said in my post.Iecerint wrote:SP, why are you singling-out Vaya for that? Several other players have already said the same thing.
Vaya's first line in his first post.
Strange that you felt the need to ignore the intent and try and call attention to others not Vaya.
I smell defensive buddyment.
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You don't understand the differences?Iecerint wrote:I asked you because I didn't (and don't) understand what differentiates Vaya wanting SB to claim from Glock or UK wanting him to claim.
Please quote Vaya's previous opinions on subject matters at hand before he asked SB to claim.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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I think I've made my point clear. With a vote.Iecerint wrote:There weren't any previous posts. What's your point?
We have?Iecerint wrote:We have already established that that is null.
Perhaps an actual opinion on SB?Iecerint wrote:Is there something I've forgotten about that he failed to address?Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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There is a flow of logic failure here.Vaya wrote:
As I mentioned before, I hadn't been posting anywhere on site the past few days up until yesterday. A quick glance at my posting history would show this. It doesn't have anything to do with this game or my alignment here, you can't honestly use that alone as a point for me being scum here.SocioPath wrote:
We have?Iecerint wrote:We have already established that that is null.
There is nothing null with starting a game with your first line asking a person whom you think is town, to full claim.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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An odd stance, I would have thought that you of all people would appreciated behavior of the reactionary sort.UncertainKitten wrote:I think SP is being too reactionary though.
Me too!UncertainKitten wrote:And plus, I want to see where this Socio thing goes ^-^.
I'm loving the wagon on me so far. I think your vote was awesome in that the reactions it caused. Mainly 2 'other' people to immediately vote me. Which are both awesome for their own reasons:
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1. This is exactly what scum would do.Vaya wrote:
Alright, as far as I'm concerned, you're either drawing the wrong conclusions from the info you have, or are lying. Please share with us exactly what it is you know so I can figure out which it is.MafiaSSK wrote:
Yes.Vaya wrote:
Okay, I want you to elaborate on that, SSK. You're claiming to have role-related reasons to believe I'm scum?MafiaSSK wrote:
Official information.UncertainKitten wrote:
Is this due to official information or just a desire to protect certain scumtells you feel are true? Or is even that asking too much?
SP has the right of the situation because Vaya's obv scum No, I will not elaborate more on that matter.
2.I do not want to be night killed for the reason for this info.UncertainKitten wrote:
For the time being,MafiaSSK wrote:
99%.You have mostly persuaded me. One last question that you may deign not to answer without me worrying. If you were to place a percentage confidence in your results, what would you put it as?Unvote, Vote Vaya
Just be aware if Vaya is lynched today and flips town, there's only a 1% chance I'm not going after you ^-^
That is a lovely chain of events. Also reinforced with Iec voting SSK for claiming Vaya as scum.Vaya wrote:I still think its a good idea for SSK to fully claim this result he has against me. Kitten, do you have actual reason here to say that SSK shouldn't claim, despite the fact that he would be an obvious kill target regardless?
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The Iec vote:
Clearly not voting for people he thinks to be the scummiest in his eyes.Iecerint wrote:I disqualified myself from starting an SP wagon back then because he was already voting me.
More interested in actual wagons than just votes for who he thinks is scum.
Basically saying 'oh I didn't vote then, because it would look like OMGUS, but now that you voted for him, its not OMGUS, but a wagon.
The coaching between Iec and Vaya has been thick as well.
At this point, I'm half expecting to be daykilled, and then Iec and Vaya forgotten about and watch them live to endgame.
Which I'd blame UK for, for not being reactionary enough.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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So you are claiming that your vote was based on you thinking SSK was scummy for misremembering you as scum in a past game?Iecerint wrote:
I voted SSK for claiming I had a "meta" of protecting my scumbuddies. I have never been scum, so there was no basis for SSK's claim. It looked to me like he was just supplying the easy answer to UK's yes/no question. I think it's possible that he did misremember my alignment in ILY mafia, though, for reasons I've already mentioned.SocioPath wrote:Also reinforced with Iec voting SSK for claiming Vaya as scum.
You didn't do it then, so its fine when you do it later?Iecerint wrote:I started the bandwagon on JL, so I don't think I'm guilty of bandwagon-following. And I thought I was 2nd on SP. <_<
You claim you're not guilty of bandwagon-following...and yet two sentences later you state that you were bandwagon-following.Iecerint wrote:It's true that I was following there, though.
You even stated in your vote of me that:Iecerint wrote:I can get behind an SPwagon.
I haven't been active?Iecerint wrote:My intent was to provide the necessary pressure on SP to make him active.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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Fair enough.Iecerint wrote:SSK didn't clarify that he had misremembered me as scum in ILY until after I voted him. I was thinking that SSK was just blithely saying "HE DOES THIS AS SCUM" without any evidence. I'm still slightly unsure about it, which is why I asked him who he misremembered I was scumbuddy-protecting.
Everyone runs on a different schedule.Iecerint wrote:You haven't been inactive per se, but you'd kinda fallen on the backburner during the whole Vaya-SSK thing IIRC.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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I'm also torn with this whole Pom thing, but for other reasons. Reasons that I'm going to spend a while to ramble on about.
Now, I'm a player that enjoys a good meta, I've read and played in many enjoyable games in the past, and I (try to) remember things that people say and do and are know for.
But then, there is, from my point of view, another side, more of a 'personal meta' of classifying what I know about a persons play history, and then also jointing that with what I know about the person themselves.
This mainly includes the standard online information of ASL (Age/Sex/Location).
I find these attruibutes to be very helpful when determining how someone acts.
Location is a great thing, because you can learn to judge when they generally post, and can learn to expect things at separate times, and not things at other times. (See my previous post mentioning that we all are on different schedules.) Not only for timezone consideration alone, but also good for determining holidays, and school schedules. You would be surprised to how often I see players not consider that, and call people out for lurking when its a national holiday for the person whom is absent. Or people in the Southern Hemisphere (like Australia for example) having a different schedule when it comes to school, based on the different seasons.
Sex is an obvious one in that females generally are more emotional and will generally dislike more scathing attacks on them regardless of whether or not its personal. It could also be used as a form of manipulation, whether its male towards female, or female towards male, gender difference manipulation is something I've also seen a bit in games. Lots of guys treat girls differently, and lots of girls treat guys differently as well.
Age is something that might get past a lot of people. I can't speak for anyone else, because I've never seen this subject brought up before, but I also take age into consideration when dealing with people. I check every person I can to see if they have their ages listed. And I can generally get a good idea about which kinds or arguments, or lack-there-of, I can expect from certain age ranges.
Now with all this said, its back to Pom, and with everything in consideration culminated, it leads me to a conclusion.
Given her personal meta of what I know about her, I'd have to conclude that her lack of active scum hunting is a null tell. Yes, I did say all that to come to the conclusion that is 'null'.
The reason I'm torn is one of her comments though:
I don't like the 'now'. This implies that since she got called out on it, only 'now' will she start trying to be useful and productive, but before, she wouldn't have.Pomegranate wrote:I'll try to do morenow, though.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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Shes a 13 year old girl in school with an older sister on the site. Pressure and people hounding her might be a bit overwhelming to the average 13 year old.UncertainKitten wrote:Bah! Stereotypes! You can't just put girls and guys in boxes like that
You can't say that males and females generally don't have similar playstyles.
Adel had a very masculine, analytical playstyle even before he was a male (that is, onsite )
Its no absolute though. (as I would see a box as being as)
UncertainKitten wrote:Seriously? hmm...I...don't like this. It makes me want to get Pom's flip. But I really want Iec's as well .
And in depth psychoanalysis and playstyle descriptions isn't something I would expect from her either. This goes with the ASL meta, and her site meta I have on her.
You on the other hand, I would. Because I know how capable you are as a player, because of how your meta is. But also another meta factor for you, you have a mod meta, and of that for these kinds of games none-the-less, so I would hold game setup speculation and instances of 'try to outguess the mod' from you to be more valued than a player that sticks to normal and newbie games.
And now I'm manipulating you by playing to your gender and stroking your ego with the mod talk of past games.
Your opinion of me changes with each sentence, me stating the things up above certainly hasn't made you think I'm more scummy, as I know that doesn't play to your meta.
It might now though.
Just be sure to know the difference between liking the argument for its structural integrity, and liking the argument because you like how it makes you perceive yourself.
Some food for thought.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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UncertainKitten wrote:Don't see it working. I don't see how my gender has factored into this actually.
Also notice how virtually every response to a part of my post starts with a short, snippet of a sentence.UncertainKitten wrote:I'm aware. Course, if you want to keep complimenting me, go ahead ^-^.
Was that something that happened on purpose in that you had planned?
Or did it just sort of turn out that way?
Now, its not uncommon for you to have a such response, but look at the concentration.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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It was relevant in my discussion with UK. It its not neccesarily a point raisedGlork wrote:
Ugh, how is this relevant to ANYTHING? People have different posting styles. I can't even tell if you're trying to raise this as a pointSocioPath wrote:UncertainKitten wrote:Don't see it working. I don't see how my gender has factored into this actually.
Also notice how virtually every response to a part of my post starts with a short, snippet of a sentence.UncertainKitten wrote:I'm aware. Course, if you want to keep complimenting me, go ahead ^-^.
Was that something that happened on purpose in that you had planned?
Or did it just sort of turn out that way?
Now, its not uncommon for you to have a such response, but look at the concentration.againstUK. If you are, how do short responses make her more likely to be scum? If not, why did you make this post at all?againstUK. Its a point that there may have been a slightly more emotional response than the norm for UK. As UK said:
It was mostly theory discussion about how I perceive, and react to, different players and types of players, with more factors than just in-game meta.UncertainKitten wrote:
I shouldn't answer for SP, but in this case, he's not making a case on me, he's trying to mindfuck me.MafSSK wrote:
SP your case makes no fricken sense.
None of it was relevant scum hunting, but it was TIED to the original relevant part:
That I believe Pom's lack of scum hunting at that point was not as major of a concern as an almost majority of the town was making it out to be.
Which IS relevant. At least I saw it as such.
Also Glork, you seem burdened by erratic playing, which I find off about you.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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Iecerint wrote:Lurk-to-replacement?
When, more often than not, when given the first player to do so, is generally more likely to be scum.
But with Joshy, its unfortunately a null tell.
He is one of the most spotty people I've 'played' with.
I think every game I've been in with him in the past, he has been replaced out.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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Not as scummy as hiding behind his V/LA.Iecerint wrote:I mean, for the bit where he's actually playing the game, does he always seem scummy?
He isn't a bad lynch at this point.
I've never got a good read on him before though.
I've never had a chance to.
Really I've just let others taken care of it in the past while I've focused on others.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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Iecerint.Glork wrote:Just as a frame of reference, can everybody please just name the one person whose posting you have found scummiest, regardless of role information? A secondary choice would be just fine and dandy, too.
Vaya, regardless of role information.
I also note those that say 'OK' to the faraday claim, but 'NEIGH' to the SSK claim.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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If he had specifically said "I'm scum, change me," then yes, I would consider that role information, because you are being directly influenced by that as opposed to his actual scummy/nonscummy play.Iecerint wrote:Alma would be at the top of my "scummy posters" list, but I wasn't sure whether implicitly claiming scum counted as "role information."
So him saying what he did, you are judging him, not by his play, but by his "role information".
But would you consider him scum for his other merits or lack-there-of?
Hence why I specified with Vaya, because there is also 'role information' that deals with him. (SSK)Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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You sound bitter about that.AlmasterGM wrote:
Are you a mafia godfather like you were in Benmage's mini? Because if so, we can totally wagon you again. You can even tell your scumbuddies to initiate the bus. Just let us know.SocioPath wrote:
Ha.Faraday wrote:Come on. Sociopath has been posting in other games, stop avoiding this one.
But that wasn't my doing.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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There is something that stands out about that list that doesn't sit well with me at this point of time.Iecerint wrote: Do you think we should softclaim what company/entity we're associated with? I think we have this so far:
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Correct on all accounts. I was hoping someone to tell me I'm wrong, but that would require someone else with the same sort of company claim.
In fact,
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That is the most solid damning thing in this game, unless someone else can claim something similar.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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There are claimed roles that switch people's operating systems.Pomegranate wrote:I think that it's out of place, but I'm not ready to vote Fara for it now. The mod told us not to pay much attention to flavor (if I'm not mistaken), and it's possible that we're being messed with, as this is a Bastard game. But with that said, I agree that it doesn't fit well.
Google is not an operating system.
So you can't 'switch' from Google to something else.
No flavor required.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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Knowing how and where the town stands is not scummy.UncertainKitten wrote:I was wrong then...I thought it was the fact that there was an easy access list of claims for scum to use, given by Iec.
The information is public.
I've never even considered such to be scummy.
I think it was more from GM saying he WANTED to switch OSes, rather than the switchers themselves.UncertainKitten wrote:I'll await the response of alignment switchers like s_b.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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Faraday wrote:OUTGUESSING THE MOD MUCH?
Flail much?SocioPath wrote:And rule 7 shouldn't be a 'Claim Out Of Jail Free Card'.
You could have claimed 'US Bank' and use the 'outguessing the mod' argument.
'WELL JUST CAUSE ITS A BANK DOENST MEAN THIS ISNT A BASTARD GAME'
Unless you can name something that is more solid than that, it is the most solid thing we have:Faraday wrote:How is it exactly solid or damning?
Everyone's company lines up but yours.
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Its been stated that there are people in the town actively looking to switch their OSes.Phate wrote:
Emphasis mine.SocioPath wrote:Pomegranate wrote:I think that it's out of place, but I'm not ready to vote Fara for it now. The mod told us not to pay much attention to flavor (if I'm not mistaken), and it's possible that we're being messed with, as this is a Bastard game. But with that said, I agree that it doesn't fit well.There are claimed roles that switch people's operating systems.
Google is not an operating system.
So you can't 'switch' from Google to something else.
No flavor required.
This is incorrect. My role (after an investigation that receives a result) can attempt to run an alignment script to change alignment. Nothing about OSes.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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Fishythefish wrote:I see no reason not to claim. I'm a miller. Since my rolename is also scumtastic, here's the (paraphrased) flavour -
I'm a CrApple User. I'm too lazy to switch to Linux, even though I think it's awesome. And at least CrApple's better than WinBlows.
I think that was the other one I was thinking of, although not nearly as confirming as GM's posts.Fishythefish wrote:My role PM strongly led me to believe that the town is broadly Linux, and that WinBlows are scum. I could understand if there were two large alignments, Linux and WinBlows, but it would clash with my pm if Crapple was a large alignment (unless, perhaps, it was a scum alignment).Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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There are some that glorify their own lynch.Faraday wrote:I'm not panicked. I just really hate being lynched. (As I assume does everyone).
The only ones that care about being lynched for the sake of being lynched, are those with self serving win conditions.
And at this point, at BEST, I see you as a Survivor.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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These are far more informative:Faraday wrote:Eh, I don't see fishy's posts as saying he can be converted. Idk, it's possible but the fact it says he's too lazy in it seems to make it likely he won't switch unless he's converted? Not that he wants to be.AlmasterGM wrote:
Not exactly. Perhaps I am interpreting the rhetoric "alignment change" differently then you based on the information I have. I win with the town, but I am currently stuck using the suck that is WinBlows. I would like to convert to the greatness that is Linux. That is what I suspect S_B may be able to do.UncertainKitten wrote:
Then, may I assume you are third party and want your alignment changed to town?
It is NOT a scum claim. However, based on the flavor and rules text of my role PM, I believe S_B's ability, if it actually exists, will function on me.
Because, as far as I can tell, s_b's ability will change your alignment completely, regardless of what you start at.
Or I could be wrong, but I don't think so.AlmasterGM wrote:
My role PM doesn't explicitly say that. It merely says WinBlows sucks and it would be much cooler if I were using Linux. I inferred from this that something good for me and/or the town would happen if I was converted. It could just be flavor, but given S_B's role, I don't think that's the case.UK wrote:You have to be converted before you can win, correct?
I don't know the precise rules text and flavor of your role so I'm not sure exactly what will happen, but a town-->scum switch doesn't really seem to fit with the flavor of the game. It would make significantly more sense for each faction to be attempting to recruit players to its side, especially given what my role PM says. Do what you think is best, though.S_B wrote:Hmm... I'm not sure. Your reasons may be right, but what if I turn you to scum?
In any case, though, I'm afraid this debacle is destracting us from scumhunting. Let's not let all the discussion focus on this one particular issue.
Fun fact: Vaya still hasn't posted. I like my current vote.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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You can prevent your own lynch without self serving flailing.Faraday wrote:Um? Everyone should want to avoid being lynched unless their a jester. Anyone townie content with being lynched or who doesn't try their hardest not to be lynched are quite frankly stupid.
The fact is from my perspective my lynch leads to dead town, I don't see why not wanting that is a bad thing. The town are more likely to lose everytime they lynch one of their own, seriously going down not trying is useless.
'OMG POM IS SCUM! THAT IS SOLID!' is not pro-town flailing.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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But unless you are scum with her, her 'being scum' IS NOT SOLID.Faraday wrote:I've been saying she was scum for ages now It's not like I just came up with it.
You claiming a previously unmentioned company name IS SOLID.
Its a FACT.
You have 2 votes on you.Faraday wrote:I was sarcastically pointing out your solid points weren't very solid, so yeah, I'll keep 'flailing' I guess.
2 recent votes.
Many have posted.
2 have voted for you.
There are 2 wagons currently larger than yours.
Your amount of self centered attention whoring is very much so, 'flailing'.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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To be clear, my vote on you no longer has anything to do with the Google claim.Faraday wrote:It's not like GOOGLE is any new information, it's been out there for quite a few pages and people decide to find it scummy now? Idk, I'm obviously biased but why wasn't it scummy when I claimed it seeing as there'd been a few people that claimed alreadyAut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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SSK needs to die.
Parroting what I said, (which is essentially a more confirming parrot of someone else.) SSK's current vote is in no way, shape, or form...helpful.
Vote is on Pom, originally to create pressure, then had a back and forth with Pom.
When questioned about scummiest people, Pom wasn't even on the list. In fact, he just half-assedly through names out there. (UK for being dodgy?)
Also is 99% certain of role-based information on someone else, and yet doesn't pursue it in the least. Essentially, I originally make a case saying Vaya being scum, SSK says 'yeah Socio is right', and then moves on never thinking about it again.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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Yes, quite odd indeed. Checking a sanity I would think would give a 'sane' or 'not sane' or something similar for results.UncertainKitten wrote:It's odd I didn't get a sanity on that.
'No results' I would think would imply that there isn't a sanity there to check, meaning its hard to be sane or insane when you aren't an information role.
That, and the way SSK was acting at the end of yesterday was still really bad from my point of view.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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...UncertainKitten wrote:...
/me reads her role.
god...DAMMIT.
I fucked up. I sent my action in the wrong format. That's probably why I got no result. I fucking HATE this bastardliness!
You can confirm that your action was useless because of the format?
Or is that speculation as to why you got no result?Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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Its not.UncertainKitten wrote:Why is it impossible for me to have been roleblocked?
I'm kinda confused at this point and don't know what to do...
I don't know why you would state it as something that would be considered 'impossible'.
Might as well ask, 'Why is it impossible that SSK is scum?'
But the far more likely scenario is that SSK doesn't have a role that depends on sanity.
Especially given his reaction.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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People can claim whatever they want, and there is nothing that can stop a claim other than logic, with the non-revealing style format.Iecerint wrote:SP, please interpret the N1 kill flavor and the alignment-flips so far for me.
That, and there is at least one person that is affiliated with WinBlows that has a killing role.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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Occam's razor? Are you serious?UncertainKitten wrote:
Occam's razor, maybe? You know, I declared an action that would potentially clear two people or catch one scum. Do you think they'd allow me to do that, especially when they could put the sanity of the cop in doubt easily and prevent me from clarifying it? The fact you are missing this causes me to suspect you, SPSP wrote:
What I want to know is why UK is so sure she was RB'd.
FoS: SP
You are saying that...the chance that there is a RB in this game...and the chance that of all people and claimed roles to target...they targeted you...is the the simplest answer?
And not...you know, SSK just not BEING a role with sanity involved?
FoS: UK
As sure as the flavor text directly states:Phate wrote:SocioPath, the role that died was revealed as guilty. How are you sure that the person that has a killing role is affiliated with WinBlows?SlySly wrote:Glork -Guilty- Bullshitted to death by MicroSuck salesmen - Night 1
Thats all I have to go off of.SlySly wrote:Her anguish is brought on by watching the members of the Evil Empire, armed with MicroSuck Shitsta Home Edition laptops, surroundGlork -Guiltyand pound him into submission with sales pitches of how much better Shitsta is than XPOS.
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Your logic does not even begin to make sense.UncertainKitten wrote: You know what?
Unvote, Vote SP
A roleblock makes more sense if Vaya and SSK are both town. And you are pretty obv. scummy for trying to discredit this. You do realize that if I succeeded I'd likely be making two confirmed town? I think it makes a LOT OF DAMNED SENSE to RB me.
Now you are saying it would be likely two confirmed towns if you weren't RB'd?
...Despite the 'fact' that SSK has a claimed guilty on Vaya.
And with all the claimed roles so far...YOURS is the one thats OH SO IMPORTANT that would need RB'd?
Am I the only one in this game that didn't get a RBing Copping role?!Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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Excuse me? I think you need to reread my post.UncertainKitten wrote: Excuse me? I think you need to reread my post.
Again, two confirmeds is KINDA BIG. Since we kinda can't trust the cops. I'm pretty sure a sanity checker would be sane though.
TWO CONFIRMED TOWN?
LIKELY?
You are saying that the most likely scenario is SSK is insane.
And that his results on Vaya were WRONG.
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So...you think your role...will confirm ANYTHING...let alone TWO TOWN...in a BASTARD GAME?UncertainKitten wrote:Bastard game, etc.
Cause the one thing that everyone knows about bastard games is how confirmable everything is...
In addition to what I said about him at the end of the day yesterday, I thought he response to you was rather construed:UncertainKitten wrote:Why is SSK scum? You never did answer this.
This was after your:MafiaSSK wrote:Kay. Winblows hacker for Linux. I can use a script to see someone's alignment. Once I have used that script,which I did yesterday,I turn have a red flag set on my computer and thusly investigate Guilty. This is why I am sure Vaya is guilty, it would be the most bastardish thing for a mod to do for my result not to be sane.
It looked like he thought you implied 'gotcha scum', and he responded with 'oh well when I use my role I'll go guilty thats why'.UncertainKitten wrote:Wish I could tell you something.
SSK, fullclaim.
I got no result on him.
I shall claim myself
I'm a sanity checker. Obviously I was hoping to get a sane or insane result on SSK. Since I got neither, and in fact, no result at all, I can tell you nothing about Vaya OR SSK. Hence why I want a fullclaim. I could go for a Vaya lynch.
Though reading what just happened, an Alma lynch is also acceptable.
But yeah, I'd like SSK to claim precisely why Vaya was "guilty"
It sounded like he was trying to explain your result on him because he thought your 'no result' was a guilty at the time.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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But,UncertainKitten wrote:Again, I'm a sanity CHECKER. I was planning on checking myself after SSK if things went awry. I don't think it was too much of a stretch to trust my results, had I got any.
If your result was SSK is sane, then Vaya would be scum.
If your result was SSK is insane, Vaya would be town.
In neither scenario do you determine SSK's alignment.
So I find your statement of:
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Also Phate and his massclaim obsession only makes me think doing such would be a terrible idea regarding his role.
Maybe he is just a lyncher, but...
Phate wrote:We need a massclaim.Phate wrote:Actually, I've changed my mind. Let's massclaim tomorrow.Phate wrote:
Once she does, I will. She pointed out a few reasons why massclaiming early can be a bad idea. I didn't ask for a few reasons why massclaiming early can be a bad idea.Iecerint wrote:Iecerint wrote:(After she's done so, please answer my question.)Phate wrote:Actually, I won't lead you on. I have no intention of answering your question, as the answer is role-related.
I would still like Pom's answer, though.Phate wrote:Okay.
You guys should massclaim tomorrow. No one except snowbunny convert. If there are any protective roles, etc, they should target snowbunny. Good luck.Phate wrote:Make damn sure you massclaim. This setup seems easily breakable.
Trust Glork. I'm pretty sure he's town, and he seems savvier than the rest of you.
Go town.Phate wrote:We're massclaiming today. I adamantly refuse to lynch anyone before we massclaim.
During the massclaim, claim as much of the following as the mod will allow you to: Rolename, traits and abilities of your role, flavor, affiliation, targets, results, and anything that's happened to you. If there's something else relevant I've forgotten, claim that too. Everyone should go ahead and send claims into the mod now to check to see if they're alright, so we don't have to wait for mod permission every time.Phate wrote:
I'll reveal this during the massclaim, obviously.Vaya wrote:Phate, who did you target, and did you convert them?
I expect to break the setup.Vaya wrote:Also, what do you expect to gain from a massclaim?Phate wrote:Do you trust Glork? He was pro-massclaim, pro-town, and now dead. What does that tell you?Phate wrote:I'm not going to argue with the mod, but yes, I'm still in favor of a massclaim.
Okay, I changed my mind.
I am going to argue with the mod.
Still in favor of a massclaim.
And a strange obsession with Glork, in the poor reading comprehension kind of way, too.Phate wrote:Iecerint, I will wait one day for a massclaim.
In fact, multiple reading errors. With the dead's alignments, with how kills were done. Very hasty conclusions.
And yet still trying to forcefully lead the town.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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I've commonly seen scum be some of the most helpful players in a game.Iecerint wrote:3. Vaya is not scum for pointing out the situation with Alma in a circumstance where no one had picked up on GDM even after I'd mentioned it.
So that doesn't rule Vaya out.
But I wouldn't lynch Vaya at this point anyways.
I have a somewhat controversal view in that I would rather lynch VI/terribly anti-town town, than a helpful scum.
I've commonly seen scum derail townie lynches.Iecerint wrote:4. Given all that, UK has to be town, because there was no reason for her to stop the Vaya lynch D1 if she was scum.
So that doesn't rule UK out.
I don't personally know what this is about, so I can't say much.Iecerint wrote:5. Phate/tubby is town because of something that happened N1 and early D2. I will elaborate on this later.
From my outside point of view, I think the whole thing made Phate look worse.
More of that Phate stuff that I am out of the loop for, apparently.Iecerint wrote:6. I think SB is probably town because of her claim on Phate. She claimed it before I intimated any insight, so she cleared Phate, Cop/converter.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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Well because:Snow_Bunny wrote:
How come?SocioPath wrote:
That is a terrible misobservation.Snow_Bunny wrote:However, I'll rather go with the4 likely suspects.
Iec is in no way, shape, or form, cleared of anything by any means.Iecerint wrote:That leaves the 4 players onmylist.
Now obviously he wouldn't put himself on his own scumlist.
But for other players to take that as their own, is not a good thing.
And a bit of a false dilemma.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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That makes sense for now, in a role related matter. Very scummy as far as role reveal for him is concerned.Iecerint wrote:I assumed he was RB'd town at the start of D2 because of his desire for a massclaim. I thought he was operating under the assumption that scum had roleblocked him, so he wanted to massclaim to look for RB-flavored fakeclaims. His response to my private confession was also consistent with that. That's why I thought he was town earlier today, but his N1 result claim makes that impossible. I guess his massclaim request was actually just a continuation of his D1 behavior.
Pair that with very scummy player slot, for a match made in heaven.
To pair him with other players though, that'll be the tricky part. Aside from the obvious, that is.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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