Mini 897 - OpenSource Mafia - Game over!!

[Iecerint]

I'm GNU Lead Developer, Hacker Saboteur. My flavor is that I care deeply about open-source philosophy, but I sometimes take matters into my own hands.

Each night, I may execute a script on another's machine. If closed-source behavior is perceived, it randomly blocks one of that player's functions for the remainder of the game. Otherwise, it just prevents activity that night (RB). I don't directly receive evidence of which has occurred.

I had (apparently mistakenly) assumed from the flavor that the player would be RB'd on whichever night regardless of the outcome, but that one of the outcomes was permanent (and on only one of the abilities). It looks like no global RB occurs if an ability is perma-blocked. My guess is that I blocked Phate's conversion, but not his investigation. This explains his odd night action choice and supports that he is scum (or a Miller, or I'm insane).

I assumed he was RB'd town at the start of D2 because of his desire for a massclaim. I thought he was operating under the assumption that scum had roleblocked him, so he wanted to massclaim to look for RB-flavored fakeclaims. His response to my private confession was also consistent with that. That's why I thought he was town earlier today, but his N1 result claim makes that impossible. I guess his massclaim request was actually just a continuation of his D1 behavior.

[Fishythefish]

Phate's claim was town aligned WinBlows cop - which would count as closed source activity, no?

[Iecerint]

That's possible, but my paraphrase is kinda muddying how that part reads. The actual text implies something more like "using software for economic gain + negative context." It implies that the activity must be nefarious.

[Iecerint]

EBWOP: negative

context

connotation.

[Snow_Bunny]

Ahh!! This setup is more than crazy! Me loves it.

Any roads, we've dug so much in the setup that I don't have strong scum reads on anyone. That's why I rather go with an informative lynch (tubby), a shaky claimed one (SSK), or Pom.

I think another night will prove to be more informative than all this setup speculation.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, I think I have a basic idea of why Iec finds tubby scummy, and I guess I agree with it.

Honestly, this game lost me like two or three pages ago. I'm trying to keep up but there's too much going on :S.

I'd like to see a votecount before I jump on tubby.

[Pomegranate]

If I'm not mistaken, there are only two votes on tubby- Vaya and Iec.

(Unvote;) Vote: Tubby

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[SocioPath]

I assumed he was RB'd town at the start of D2 because of his desire for a massclaim. I thought he was operating under the assumption that scum had roleblocked him, so he wanted to massclaim to look for RB-flavored fakeclaims. His response to my private confession was also consistent with that. That's why I thought he was town earlier today, but his N1 result claim makes that impossible. I guess his massclaim request was actually just a continuation of his D1 behavior.

That makes sense for now, in a role related matter. Very scummy as far as role reveal for him is concerned.
Pair that with very scummy player slot, for a match made in heaven.
To pair him with other players though, that'll be the tricky part. Aside from the obvious, that is.

[AlmasterGM]

I have no clue what is going on. Can some tl;dr this shit for me?

[Iecerint]

What do you want summarized? There haven't been any wallposts.

Phate/tubby is scum. Lynch him with me, please. <3

I wish he would post, though. <_<

[AlmasterGM]

What do you want summarized? There haven't been any wallposts.

Phate/tubby is scum. Lynch him with me, please. <3

I wish he would post, though. <_<

Why is tubby scum, exactly?

I guess I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around why scumtubby would post those night actions if he knew it would get him lynched. I guess he didn't know?

[Iecerint]

Pretty much, right? That's why I spent all D2 telling him (well, telling Phate) not to claim he was RB'd so that I could use it to catch scum later on.

You can argue that he had a perfectly good reason to keep tight-lipped about it (namely, I told him to), but that would apply regardless of his alignment. The best explanation for his having claimed a result at all IMO is that he hadn't read D2 very closely (or at all) and so had missed my requests. Coupled with his having had an ability to claim, he is likely scum.

As for the claim itself, I dunno, except that me blocking a hypothetical conversion attempt makes it a lot easier to interpret. Could be that he doesn't know who the scum are and uses his ability to find them. I'm sorta making it up, but my point is that the "spookiness" of his claimed action shouldn't really be a major issue IMO.

[AlmasterGM]

You know, this would probably be a of a lot easier of tubby would just post some content.

[Iecerint]

Innit.

[tubby216]

Pretty much, right? That's why I spent all D2 telling him (well, telling Phate) not to claim he was RB'd so that I could use it to catch scum later on.

You can argue that he had a perfectly good reason to keep tight-lipped about it (namely, I told him to), but that would apply regardless of his alignment. The best explanation for his having claimed a result at all IMO is that he hadn't read D2 very closely (or at all) and so had missed my requests. Coupled with his having had an ability to claim, he is likely scum.

As for the claim itself, I dunno, except that me blocking a hypothetical conversion attempt makes it a lot easier to interpret. Could be that he doesn't know who the scum are and uses his ability to find them. I'm sorta making it up, but my point is that the "spookiness" of his claimed action shouldn't really be a major issue IMO.

ok this is a BS point.

yes i am a cop with winblows, i have a script that may change alignment of a player, phate chose not to use this on SB,

lynching me is a dumb idea.

if my claim seems false its easy let me live tonite, if there is a doc like player do not protect me scum will kill me if not feel free to lynch me tomorrow. but lynch me only after i post results.

i believe we are not close to lylo
you will get two investigations from.
better info to lynch better come day 3

but do want you want. i actually forgot i was in this game and have been busy irl.
so chew on that awhile i will be back later to answer questions

[Iecerint]

Which points are BS? What specifically do you find objectionable?

Anyway, that fact that he apparently doesn't know that a player claimed doctor implies that he hasn't really read D2, so that supports one of the "BS point

" I make in the post he's quoting.

[Fishythefish]

unvote, vote: tubby

[tubby216]

Which points are BS? What specifically do you find objectionable?

Anyway, that fact that he apparently doesn't know that a player

claimed

doctor implies that he hasn't really read D2, so that supports one of the "BS point

" I make in the post he's quoting.

claimed being the operative word there. a player could have "claimed" anything.

agian why does lynching me make the most sense? to me its a waste of a lynch.

[MafiaSSK]

Blurgh, and why aren't we lynching Vaya?

[AlmasterGM]

Blurgh, and why aren't we lynching Pomegranate?

Fixed.

[Pomegranate]

We lynch Tubby. We get information. Tomorrow, we lynch again, using that information. K? Now vote Tubby.

[tubby216]

We lynch Tubby. We get information. Tomorrow, we lynch again, using that information. K? Now vote Tubby.

pom really i expected more from you. but ok lynch away.

[tubby216]

btw i am claiming i got phucked by the phickle phinger of phate!

[Snow_Bunny]

Mod: I'm moving to a new house, and thus I'm LA until new advice. I'll at least try to keep up.

[Iecerint]

Lynching you makes sense because you are almost certainly scum. That is quite literally the best reason to lynch someone.

It is unlikely that I am insane because my ability is doubly nerfed without that (no direct knowledge of outcome + RB on town players). It is unlikely that I was roleblocked because UK was told she her "no result" PM was consistent with her being RB'd.