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dybeck wrote:You may think you're showing yourself to be the saviour of the town, but you're just misrepresenting this entire situation and it's creating a sideshow.dybeck wrote:However, to say that I'm pushing for a quicklynch is GROSS misrepresentation, when it's very clear that this isn't the case.
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Groovie. I'm with you that Starbuck is playing the White Knight card, which is worse than Heilograph's blatant OMGUS vote.
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Came right after Starbuck's post/vote.bv310 wrote:J.R., why would you put kiku at L-3 this early? A quick-wagon is not the best way to start this day.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Well.Starbuck wrote:I'm really not playing the White Knight card, and I find it to be hypocritical of both of you to be voting for me because I was trying to halt a quicklynch. I don't understand how that is scummy.
1. We were never in danger of a quicklynch. 7 votes in the first few pages of Day 1? Plz.
2. Anyone who quickhammered would be instantly outted as scum. 1-1 ratios are good ratios for the town. If scum were dumb enough to quicklynch, you should let them do it.
So to me, you're trying to make it sound like there was HUGE IMMINENT DANGER WOOPWOOPWOOP when there wasn't, but thank God Starbuck is here to prevent us from making the Big Mistake. There's no townie rationale for your behavior, but there is a scum one.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Was there a sale on chainsaws at Home Depot? I must have missed it.Sibelius wrote:PapaZito: Your last post is the clearest example of your reading too much into things. The way you were on Heilograph earlier and the way you're going after Starbuck doesn't sit well with me.
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Townie cred.manho wrote:why would scum be more likely to stop a quick lynch?
You're missing the hilarious part of this, which is that a quicklynch on page 3never happens. Starbuck's 30 (!!) games should have told her that.
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y halo thar newbie game from over a year ago.Riceballtail wrote:@PZ: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10078 - Lynch achieved on page 1.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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It's the exception that proves the rule.Riceballtail wrote:
You said it never happens, I provide evidence that says otherwise.Papa Zito wrote:
y halo thar newbie game from over a year ago.Riceballtail wrote:@PZ: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10078 - Lynch achieved on page 1.
Starbuck is still scum.
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Clueless townie routine?Starbuck wrote:How am I scum again?
I really don't understand.
Okay.
Early game quicklynches don't happen, except in RBT's newbie game from over a year ago. (As this isn't a newbie game from over a year ago, there's no danger).
However, you drummed up fear by announcing you were worried about a quicklynch.
Further, you simultaneously announced you were saving us from said danger by unvoting and calling attention to the problem.
It's like when Clorox runs TV ads showing telephones (literally) crawling with germs, then shows how wonderful their product is at killing said germs. Drum up the hype, drum up sales.
I can see a scum player doing this to earn townie cred.
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Explain this plz. What about meta allows you to give carte blanche to another player?kikuchiyo wrote:meta tells me to overlook her for now.
Vote people.kdub (modified) wrote:Not Voting (4)- kikuchiyo, bv310, manho, Grandi
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Compliance!Starbuck wrote:Wow. Reaching much. Can you provide specific examples for each of those accusations?
Papa Zito wrote:However, you drummed up fear by announcing you were worried about a quicklynch.Starbuck wrote:I'm not comfortable with her having 4 votes already.
I'm not comfortable with you seeing that and putting her at L-3.Papa Zito wrote:Further, you simultaneously announced you were saving us from said danger by unvoting and calling attention to the problem.
If I had a second vote I'd be voting bv310 right now. He's so obvscum it hurts.Starbuck wrote:Wolf, are you really FOS-ing me for trying to halt a quicklynch of a person on page 2?KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Starbuck wrote:Thank you for providing examples, but I disagree with you.
Starbuck wrote:You said I drummed up fear, to me that means that others would be fearful of a quicklynch and that they were vocal about it. Who are the others that were so fearful?bv310 wrote:J.R., why would you put kiku at L-3 this early? A quick-wagon is not the best way to start this day.
Really?Starbuck wrote:How was my question towards Wolf "simultaneously announcing that I was saving us from danger by unvoting and calling attention"? I asked Wolf what his intentions were.
What's so confusing about this post?wolframnhart wrote:L-3 isn't all that bad, had his vote put her at L-1 so quick I could see your point, and even then had someone hammered right after we could have a list of suspects to go from, so right now it seems like you are trying to be to townie by unvoting someone at L-3. FoS Starbuck
Let's look at your post again.
(emphasis mine) You're pretty clear about your intentions here. You're trying to "halt a quicklynch". You're saying there's a danger of a quicklynch, and that you're saving us from that danger.Starbuck wrote:Wolf, are you really FOS-ing mefor trying to halt a quicklynch of a person on page 2?
Nah, not really.Starbuck wrote:You are definitely reaching with both of these accusations.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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You asked for an example and I gave you one. The number of players who bought it isn't relevant, what's relevant is the attempt was made.Starbuck wrote:So you are saying that I drummed up fear in the guy who can't even come up with his own opinions?
Presumably you bought the subject up because you thought we were in danger of a quicklynch.Starbuck wrote:I NEVER said that I was "saving us from danger". I never said that I believe kiku to be town. I just said that I didn't like quicklynches. I wanted to see what Wolf's response would be to my question.
You specifically said you were "attempting to halt" it. Those are your words. Attempting to halt it would be saving us from danger.
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Starbuck is employing the "nu uh" defense.
This.kikuchiyo wrote:Let's get Starbuck to L-1 and get a claim. Though I don't support any type of massclaim as Dybeck earlier suggested, I do agree with him that your response to this wagon warrants you for lynch and that you should therefore claim sooner than later. Theme games can be broken with massclaims and so I would be against it because it is not in the spirit of the game, but if you want this pressure to dissipate you better be someone important. There was no need for you to lie about your activity. You have failed to reconcile the issue.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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+1dybeck wrote:There are several people getting away with not posting any content here.
My only reservation is that in theme games scum tend to get safeclaims, and I think it'd be hard to figure out which ones are fake without a couple nights worth of actions to look at.dybeck wrote:I'd like nobody to state reasons in favour of a massclaim. But I'd like anyone AGAINST a massclaim to say so, with a full argument why they think it would be a bad idea.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Argh, vanilla claim.
I've been thinking about this off-and-on this afternoon and I think it's more likely a townie claim than a scum one. Site meta at the moment is to lynch VT claimers, and I'd assume Starbuck is aware of this, so it seems too risky a claim to make.
I may end up regretting this later. :/
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This one is obvscum tho.
Heilograph, I'll echo your question - who is most scummy to you, and why?
kikuchiyo, first, never change your avatar unless it's to make it bigger, second, what so anti-town about 243?KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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243 was wolf's post. Maybe wrong number?kikuchiyo wrote:Sounds like a vanilla soft claim. Has potential to make scum's job much easier at night. I also still think Star is more likely scum. Mod may very well have handed out safeclaims. I just don't like it. Starbuck has reacted terribly. I don't see her producing any in depth analysis, logic, etc. *sigh*
I feel a lot more sure about bv310 than I do Starbuck. I agree with you about her behavior today but bv's been worse really. And about her claim, eh, like I said, I don't think scum would claim VT in this environment.kikuchiyo wrote:I thought we had plenty of information for a lynch. I thought the lynch would yield plenty more information and quite possibly hit scum. I'd rather not run someone else up to a claim today if it can be helped.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Ah, understood. I read it a different way but I see where you're coming from.kikuchiyo wrote:To clarify: the number was correct. I found Wolf's post anti-town because it looked like a vanilla softclaim. He also does not take into account that Starbuck could be scum with a safeclaim provided by the mod.
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It's independent of Starbuck really. He's playing a very follow-the-town game.kikuchiyo wrote:PZ: Can you explain or refer me to the case on bv? As far as I could tell, the case seemed dependent on Starbuck being scum as well.
Well, here are your points:kikuchiyo wrote:I'd rather not plug the thread with more Star/kiku but if you could explain where you disagree with me that would be helpful.
1. I happen to have some insight about Star's posting in other games, which I can't really discuss, so I believe her on that point. Regarding the whole white knight thing, yeah, it's bad, but I feel bv is worse. I think we should be lynching the scummikikuchiyo wrote:1) I am not satisfied with your explanations. Rewording them doesn't help.
2) You have had plenty of time for game analysis and all you have produced is a giant omgus case.
3) You are going to be lynched. Yet you prefer to argue with me than produce any other relevant game analysis.
4) You are "waiting to see if anyone else has questions" when you should be combing the thread and producing useful information for us to use after your flip.estplayer (manho pending) so.
2. I didn't like her vote on you, but it actually made me feel she's more town. Scum's agenda is to lynch townies, and there's no way she's going to wagon you right now, so in essence it's a wasted vote. But it's not a vote scum would make, scum would go for the counter wagon most likely.
3. You've said this a couple of times now and it really makes me twitch.
4. Time is an issue. And didn't she just pound you for a page and a half?KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Agreed. I don't find that vote-worthy tho.Starbuck wrote:She's being completely hypocritical. She's been tunneling on me all game and wants me to list my other suspects and reasons why, but she has not done the same. All she has done is continually tunnel on me.
If that's so then your vote needs to move, eh?Starbuck wrote:Her severe overreaction to my post on her as well as everything else in the last page and 1/2 bothers me, but I'm willing to be that she's town over scum.
Scumlist request then?Starbuck wrote:I would just like her to do the same thing she's DEMANDING me to do.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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I agree with this completely. If there's a real Susan out there, please counter.dybeck wrote:I think this is a really odd thing to say. If there's a real Susan, of course they should claim. I don't think the role implies any particular power, and could be strong or weak, for all we know. Susan was obviously a Pevensie, but far and away the least pivotal to the plot. Frankly, I'd have believed a VT Susan claim every bit as much.
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http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11842kikuchiyo wrote:Dybeck and PZ: How many games have you played where one scum is lynched day 1 and town wins?
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12046
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12390
Susan should totally claim if out there. 100% lynching scum is tech.
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Yeah.bv310 wrote:Posting in response to prod. Starbuck's AtEs are really much lamer than I would expect from a veteran of as many games as her. I can't imagine her real role to be Rumblebuffin, so I'd like to see what her real role is.
Why are we lynching Starbuck when this guy is around?
Urg.
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Why are you still squatting on RBT?HackerHuck wrote:
It's in our best interest to lynch scum. If you don't think Manho or Starbuck are scum, then that's where you need to go. That said, the timing is probably too tight to get to a bv wagon unless we're willing to lynch him regardless of claim. I'm not there.Narninian wrote:bv310 is still on the top of my list - but is it in our best interest to force a third claim today?
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His predecessor did anMadCrawdad wrote:You seem to have issues with his predecessor also, as evilsnail drew your early vote on D2 (before he even posted). What initially drew your vote to Sibelius/evilsnail?awfullot of defending Starbuck yesterday, prior to her flip. I mean, an awful lot. Almost exclusively, even. In fact, not only did he spend his time defending Starbuck, but he made sure to attack those pushing her wagon. Seems he had a case of Perfectinfoitis.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Read the post right above yours?evilsnail wrote:Btw, would you or Papa Zito care to contribute anything more substantial than "don't like snail's post" or "I realize how poor it is" (if any of this pertains to my Narninian case, anyway)?KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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You're not supposed to do anything with "not impressed with snail's post." That's why I said it.evilsnail wrote:Read the post you are replying to? As I say in parentheses, if any of this refers to anything concrete I've said, like my Narninian case, I'd like to hear it so I can address it. I can't do anything with "not impressed with snail's post" or anything related to my predecessor.
Are you suggesting we ignore your predecessor completely?
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evilsnail wrote:I definitely didn't mean to imply that you weren't contributing.
No.evilsnail wrote:Btw, would you or Papa Zito care to contribute anything more substantial than "don't like snail's post" or "I realize how poor it is" (if any of this pertains to my Narninian case, anyway)?
@Town: Snail really doesn't like being voted. Suggest moar votes.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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When you say you "can't answer for your predecessor's actions" that means you want us to wipe the slate clean. No bueno.evilsnail wrote:
Where have I suggested this?Papa Zito wrote:Are you suggesting we ignore your predecessor completely?
Fail.Kdub wrote:Not Voting (3) - MadCrawdad, wolframnhart, Riceballtail
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An FoS is neither a vote nor a scumlist. Looking forward to your post later.MadCrawdad wrote:
I've currently got an FoS on kikuchiyo and riceballtail.Papa Zito wrote:You three: Votes or scumlists. TIA.
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Here's my thinking.manho wrote:
no, we need to see if CC happen first. we can save the power claim if no CC come forward.Papa Zito wrote:Snail, moar info plz.
1. He really is Aslan. As such, there's no damn way he lives through the night, so a full claim doesn't hurt anything.
2. He's scum trying to out the real Aslan. We may be able to catch him in his lie by forcing him to fully claim, thus protecting the real Aslan.
So I'd rather have the whole thing.
Check my wiki. I need to update it a bit but there's a ton for you to choose from.evilsnail wrote:tw, could you link me to a completed game in which you were town?
Also, if snail is town then I agree there's very likely scum on the wagon.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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0 contribution this game.manho wrote:will you give us the reason?
Also, I looked at the snail wagon (assuming he's town at the moment) and decided which of the participants was more likely scum on a townie wagon. RBT gives me waaaay more bad vibes than HackerHuck does, so.
wutmanho wrote: and i really think we can save the alsan claim first before the CC.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Papa Zito Jack of All Trades
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Papa Zito Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9792
- Joined: April 5, 2009
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