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This looks like something I would have written the very first time I ever played scumIn post 12, mozamis wrote:Lets all be out in the open as possible as town and screw scum over!-
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it was an fos.. just had a look at his demeanor from past games and it seems about the same, prob not a newbscum tellIn post 19, Barleycorn wrote:
and you're not voting mozamis because?In post 18, DogWatch wrote:
This looks like something I would have written the very first time I ever played scumIn post 12, mozamis wrote:Lets all be out in the open as possible as town and screw scum over!-
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I'm saying if he's scum then it's NOT a noob scum tell, as evidenced by his past posts. that's just his style of posting regardless. It just initially caught my eye because Lamist in my experience often is a noob scum tell.. but I also haven't played a game in 9 years, so my readings can be outdated.In post 41, Keyser Söze wrote:
Explain to me why saying 'In post 30, DogWatch wrote:dude I JUST admitted you probably weren't noob scum like I originally read, and you're going to call me opportunist? This feels very reactionary, like an omgustrying-to-look-town' game theory is only a 'noob' scumtell according to YOUR book of scum-tells.-
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keyser, I didn't view those fire votes as rvs. As written in the post you quoted, I said we were moving out of rvs at the time. Fire had made several posts and suddenly there were three votes on him. I thought they'd seen something I hadn't, so I asked why.
I don't really understand Rvs then I guess, never heard of it until I started looking at games on this site.-
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I played on a small site back in 2007-2008. Haven't played since. RVS wasn't a thing. Random questions were usually how we started, but I read some games on this site and it looks like RQS is an instant scum read which blows my mind. I don't really know how to play on this site yet. I'm used to games based around night decisions/analysis, items, numerous power roles, crazy gimmicks, etc. This site just looks like endless day phase squabbling to me.
If there's nothing weird about those three fire votes in the context of this site , I'm cool with that. I just didn't interpret it that way at the time.
I have an eight hour drive ahead of me, so I'll be back on later tonight/early tomorrow.-
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mountain made out of a mole hillIn post 174, Barleycorn wrote:keyser's interaction with dog was weird. everyone reading really far into dog's reaction to the fire wagon is weird.
transcend, how did keyser scum claim? Are you saying he's talking to Gerry as if they are scumteam? I didn't get any such vibe from him-
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ding ding dingIn post 208, Eddie Cane wrote:it could be towndog taking a small rvs wagon too seriously.-
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you are way too hung up on this, there is no inconsistency and barley has been trying to drill this into your headIn post 189, Eddie Cane wrote:In post 30, DogWatch wrote:dude I JUST admitted you probably weren't noob scum like I originally read, and you're going to call me opportunist? This feels very reactionary, like an omgus
these pinged me. the first is just spamming trigger words; "reactionary", "omgus". the second doesn't make much sense when he later posts that his previous site doesn't use rvs, it's implying that he understands rvs ("were getting out atp") while at the same time later saying he doesn't get rvs. his interaction with shadow is also a part of the reasoning.In post 44, DogWatch wrote:Fire has three votes now with zero reasoning behind them. Can the three of you explain? We're getting out of the rvs stage at this point. Which reminds me to remove my random vote UNVOTE:
Also it would be great if everyone could refer to me by the correct pronoun-
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In post 86, Shadow_step wrote: By why is he asking reasons for rvs votes ? What is the point of asking reasons for RVS votes ? How does one person being on 3 votes on day 1 such a big deal?
your whole argument around me (questioning the rvs) has been answered already, maybe not quoted and directed straight at you, but I've addressed your concerns. In 147 I explained my thought process behind questioning the fire votes. It's very simple. You don't need to inject more meaning into it than that. As for your "concerned townie" question, why would I even bother with a rhetorical question? "oh yes, you got me, i'm only asking questions because I want to look town." get real.In post 259, Shadow_step wrote:Dog continues to not interact with me. Are you scared you'll slip boi ?
Also, not a "boi", if you read all of my posts you'd know that
It's posts like this that I'm starting to read you more and more town. UNVOTE: aronaIn post 251, aronagrundy wrote:Ok gonna echo barleycorn here. If you're town is there even such a thing as being LAMIST? Like if it's town motivated it's not LAMIST right
Can Gerry explain the arona vote? Arona literally said NOTHING in between Gerry's voat for Transcend and then the flip to arona. what gives?-
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One of my first posts called moz lamist, it was just his plucky "let's leave it all out in the open, team!" attitude that made me think of noob scum. But then I realised that's just his usual tone so I revoked that read.
Transcend had a similar progression but now he's voting moz as though you were making a push. But you weren't.-
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Sorry, I somehow totally missed post 281 in which you DO vote moz. That explains the transcend interaction, nevermind.In post 308, Barleycorn wrote:oh ok. i might have some confbias since moz has only pushed dog and eddie, both of whom i think are town. so it doesn't feel like moz has done much scumhunting. the push on dog feels real enough.
what does this mean?In post 307, DogWatch wrote: Transcend had a similar progression but now he's voting moz as though you were making a push. But you weren't.-
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Is this due to 281?
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I looked through some transcend meta and this is pretty much how he always plays. So i don't really see a show. Plus he does seem to make quick gut readings all the time.In post 319, Keyser Söze wrote:
In regard FireScreamer's point:In post 300, Barleycorn wrote:ok you're not full of shit. but i don't think transcend is either.
would you agree this is an example of resistance?In post 219, FireScreamer wrote:
You are not going to get 6 other people to agree with Gut. You know this and are not trying. Which means you are putting on a show and I wonder why.In post 161, Transcend wrote:Gut
- I actually agreed with him there. No one will support your push on player if you're only saying "Player X is scum. Why? Gut lolz." If you don't add the supporting argument to your case you're not going to convince your teammates to lynch your scum-read.
- Plus, Transcend's play this game is an easy playstyle to hide behind as both town AND scum, so I understand the "putting on a show" observation.
I.e keep posting short and cute reads/votes... but not offer anything tangible along with it.
I feel like FireScreamer shared my suspicion on Transcend's intentional null/hard-to-read playstyle.
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With the exception of his early vote on you, I've shared pretty much all his other views.In post 324, Keyser Söze wrote:He's flaunting his impenetrable scum play and town play.
I can't see how you can instantly jump to town on him (unless you're sharing many of his same reads)
Are you still voting gerry by the way? I had a scum vibe on him too, but it doesn't feel like a relevant vote at this point. What do you think about moz and fire?-
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Explain 139 and 195. Neither you or arona said anything between those posts, why the sudden change of vote?In post 336, gerryoat wrote:so who is mafs everyone?-
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If you were this sure of it, why didn't you vote? I don't think you were already voting for keyser at the time unless I overlooked it. Instead you voted gerryoats who just a few posts before you called low hanging fruit. I get that Gerry was being insufferable at the time, but why just drop keyser? This does look scummy to me.In post 383, aronagrundy wrote:you're scum-
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From the viewpoint of your hypothetical scum self, you seemed "sure" of your keyser read, but no other player seemed to be going along with it. So you jumped the low hanging fruit to get a wagon started. The terms and conditions were a convenient catalyst.
I'm not saying that was your logic, but it jumped out at me as a possibility.-
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Did you not just say barley had been on and off you all game?In post 497, mozamis wrote:
This is bullshit. Before this wagon on me, there hadnt been any real suspicion on me. So i had nothing to answer to.In post 467, DogWatch wrote:I just skimmed your ISO and really don't see much defense on your part at all whenever suspicion was raised. It's like you want to fly under the radar and hope everyone finds someone else to vote for.-
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He made two votes. The first, according to him, was NOT rvs. Then another later. I didn't see you defend either one.
I'm not trying to misrepresent you, I just thought barley made compelling points last night. I think I was pretty reasonable in asking you to defend and tell me why our votes were wrong.-
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To be fair, none of them were awesome, but frank's "i dont care" attitude just struck me wrong.In post 507, Eddie Cane wrote:
what about Frank's vote triggers your scum radar personally as opposed to myself, momo or even transcend?In post 506, DogWatch wrote:For what it's worth I agree with you on franks vote, i would be willing to truce with you and go that route
nobody answer for him.
Transcend didn't provide a reason either but at least retracted his.
Which brings me to your vote... to be perfectly honest I forgot about it. And it's what prompted the whole discussion between barley and me late last night, which led to him swaying my vote. My vote wasn't the most scientific either, I admit it, but there was zero meat at all behind yours. Not even an acknowledgment that you were swayed by someone.
So...... now I'm not a fan of frank's vote OR yours, and I'm kinda baffled as to why you'd draw attention to this.-
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that *I* did? Or just hypothetically?In post 515, Barleycorn wrote:
is it townier or scummier to draw attention to something that you might also have doneIn post 514, DogWatch wrote: So...... now I'm not a fan of frank's vote OR yours, and I'm kinda baffled as to why you'd draw attention to this.-
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