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[Barleycorn]

ok you're not full of shit. but i don't think transcend is either.

Gut

You are not going to get 6 other people to agree with Gut. You know this and are not trying. Which means you are putting on a show and I wonder why.

would you agree this is an example of resistance?

[Barleycorn]

oops i swore. was trying to avoid doing so.

[Transcend]

i instantly scumread moz so let's see where your vote goes

[TwoFace]

Vote count 1.06

Dogwatch - mozamis, Shadow_step (L-5)
Shadow_Step- Eddie Cane, FireScreamer (L-5)
mozamis - Barleycorn, Transcend (L-5)
Eddie Cane - aronagrundy (L-6)
aronagrundy - gerryoat (L-6)
Transcend - NorskaBlue (L-6)
gerryoat - Keyser Söze (L-6)
FireScreamer - Pants98 (L-6)


Not Voting: FrankJaeger, DogWatch

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2017-03-06 16:51:40)

Mod Note - Pants has been prodded

[DogWatch]

I had the same read as transcend, scumread moz instantly but later figured he was overzealous town. Don't really understand what barley said to have transcend vote moz again.

[Barleycorn]

I had the same read as transcend, scumread moz instantly but later figured he was overzealous town. Don't really understand what barley said to have transcend vote moz again.

ok i can ask you then

overzealous in what respect?

[Transcend]

Like

His desire to find scum and throw out foses looks more genuine rather than "look at me, I'm scum hunting!"

[DogWatch]

One of my first posts called moz lamist, it was just his plucky "let's leave it all out in the open, team!" attitude that made me think of noob scum. But then I realised that's just his usual tone so I revoked that read.

Transcend had a similar progression but now he's voting moz as though you were making a push. But you weren't.

[Barleycorn]

oh ok. i might have some confbias since moz has only pushed dog and eddie, both of whom i think are town. so it doesn't feel like moz has done much scumhunting. the push on dog feels real enough.

Transcend had a similar progression but now he's voting moz as though you were making a push. But you weren't.

what does this mean?

[Eddie Cane]

WHILE I'M ON READS,
SCUM MAYBE IN DOG, EDDIE, GERRY, NORSKA

bad

[Transcend]

Bad reads, not indicative of scum though.

[Transcend]

VOTE: fire

Not liking tone

[DogWatch]

oh ok. i might have some confbias since moz has only pushed dog and eddie, both of whom i think are town. so it doesn't feel like moz has done much scumhunting. the push on dog feels real enough.

Transcend had a similar progression but now he's voting moz as though you were making a push. But you weren't.

what does this mean?

Sorry, I somehow totally missed post 281 in which you DO vote moz. That explains the transcend interaction, nevermind.

[Transcend]

VOTE: eddie cane

It's a confession.

VOTE: Eddie Cane

This post sucks

[Transcend]

The woof woof is town

[DogWatch]

VOTE: fire

Not liking tone

Is this due to 281?

[DogWatch]

219 I mean. Jesus, I'm hungover.

[Barleycorn]

219 sucks too

[DogWatch]

if you guys are debating voting moz or fire, I'm down with fire. Not getting any strong scum reads from the rest at this point anyway.

VOTE: fire

[Keyser Söze]

ok you're not full of shit. but i don't think transcend is either.

Gut

You are not going to get 6 other people to agree with Gut. You know this and are not trying. Which means you are putting on a show and I wonder why.

would you agree this is an example of resistance?

In regard FireScreamer's point:
- I actually agreed with him there. No one will support your push on player if you're only saying "Player X is scum. Why? Gut lolz." If you don't add the supporting argument to your case you're not going to convince your teammates to lynch your scum-read.
- Plus, Transcend's play this game is an easy playstyle to hide behind as both town AND scum, so I understand the "putting on a show" observation.
I.e keep posting short and cute reads/votes... but not offer anything tangible along with it.
I feel like FireScreamer shared my suspicion on Transcend's intentional null/hard-to-read playstyle.


In regard the 'massive resistance' point:
- Re-reading it, I can see how this could be indirect DEFENSE (FireScreamer changing the focus from me to Transcend)
- HOWEVER, "massive resistance" is still too much of an excessive/OTT/hyperbole expression.

I agree that my lynch was not mass-supported.

However, lack of support does not equal "massive resistance".

Agree?

[DogWatch]

ok you're not full of shit. but i don't think transcend is either.

Gut

You are not going to get 6 other people to agree with Gut. You know this and are not trying. Which means you are putting on a show and I wonder why.

would you agree this is an example of resistance?

In regard FireScreamer's point:
- I actually agreed with him there. No one will support your push on player if you're only saying "Player X is scum. Why? Gut lolz." If you don't add the supporting argument to your case you're not going to convince your teammates to lynch your scum-read.
- Plus, Transcend's play this game is an easy playstyle to hide behind as both town AND scum, so I understand the "putting on a show" observation.
I.e keep posting short and cute reads/votes... but not offer anything tangible along with it.
I feel like FireScreamer shared my suspicion on Transcend's intentional null/hard-to-read playstyle.

Agree?

I looked through some transcend meta and this is pretty much how he always plays. So i don't really see a show. Plus he does seem to make quick gut readings all the time.

[Barleycorn]

yeah i agree it was ott. but i don't think it was transcend trying to paint a false narrative.

transcend's post made me ISO you and i realized i felt similarly. so why is it valid to say that transcend's style can't convince people to lynch their scumread?

[Keyser Söze]

RE: "false narrative"
I agree that my defence may have been OMGUS-fueled, but if we both agree it was OTT then cool.

I am yet to witness positive results from "transcend's style" (I am currently in one other uncompleted game with him too). He may have influenced you to look at my ISO, but I presume you developed your OWN scum-feels on me naturally through your OWN reasoning.

[Keyser Söze]

I looked through some transcend meta and this is pretty much how he always plays. So i don't really see a show. Plus he does seem to make quick gut readings all the time.

I haven't dug his meta up but I bet he plays the same way as both town and scum.
I'm sure he knows what he's doing. That's the hard-to-read "show".
Look at his signature

[Keyser Söze]

He's flaunting his impenetrable scum play and town play.
I can't see how you can instantly jump to town on him (unless you're sharing many of his same reads)