Mini Normal 1879 Bringer Mafia II [Game Over]

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Ali is my sibling

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Terata had zero reason to START a counterwagon to Lowell on her scumbuddy.

Terata is nearly conftown in my eyes

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i still dont get how and where CO cc'd wheme. can some1 explain that in very simple terms to me

CO said he has a role that doesn't jive with Wheme being a town rolestopper.

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I do think Wheme being town is pretty incriminating for Chaos. And I cannot support Chaos' reaction to Wheme's claim

I didn't think I'd have to clarify this, but I've seen so far this game nuance is lost on you. I am a PR that doesn't really jive with a town rolestopper. With Hawk, Gerry, and me all claiming power of some sort, I'm more inclined to believe a rolestopper is scum. It's how I balanced a mini I ran a while back.

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^this is terrible

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Or by ChaosOmega's vote on me, am I to take it that you've successfully sorted WhemeStar last night and can confirm their town alignment?

How do you reconcile this with a vote on Wheme?

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Oh so chaos isn't voting Wheme therefore Wheme must be town so i'm gonna vote Wheme

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I still personally want to lynch Garrybote.

Then vote him

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Hawk's role being a universal backup, in conjunction with the other soft and hard claims, confirms town has myriad power roles this game. Typically a role stopper would be assigned to scum in this case.

This is complete bullshit speculation

If scum have powerful roles, then a rolestopper is a great way to negate them

Why you jump to this conclusion, no idea other than just looks like you "trying" to gamesolve. But it's gamesolvig with an agenda

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VOTE: ECM

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Lol

What do you think of ECM's D2 entrance?

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Lol

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Guys i found scum again.

Two days in a row

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Everyone should Sheep me to glory

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I'm only comfr Table with me Terata and Lowell.

You are close

I have paranoia about AJ but I don't want to pursue that right now

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Oh I think Uzi's slot is pretty close too IIRC

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To comfortBle

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Agreed.
His paranoia on my slot when I entered seems towny.

Can you point that out for me. Not sure I remember. That could help solidify things

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Wasn't everyone leaning scummish on your slot before you entered @ Ali

Yep.

But Ali helped me destroy sheep so he gets a pass today

I do have issues with sheep not wanting to comment on penguin and changing the subject about my push on penguin

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Hey froggy, can you go into more detail with ECM's post, specifically your thoughts on him saying "Hawk's role being a universal backup, in conjunction with the other soft and hard claims, confirms town has myriad power roles this game. Typically a role stopper would be assigned to scum in this case."

Asking you because you seem to know the "balanced" set ups.

If scum have several powers, a rolestopper helps stop scum from using them.

He's only saying town have several powers so scum must have a rolestopper. But he didn't look the other way around.

Both ways are possible for balance

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I don't like EC's posts, but not comfortable voting him. Would have to read his ISO

Why aren't you comfortable voting him?

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Ali, that's perfect. Pretty towny

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Vote and wagon me if you want. We can clearly afford the mislynch. But with the Hawk kill and WhemeStar still alive, something's not right.

Whyvis something not right?

It's pretty clear scum wanted to leave Wheme as an option if he's town.

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Wheme claimed odd night. It's pretty obvious why he's not dead. He's not a threat to scum tonight.

ECM is blowing smoke

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WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT TERATA STARTED THE SHEEP WAGON AND SHEEP WAS OFF THE RADAR UNTIL SHE STARTED IT

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We had all forgotten about sheep and it was between Lowell and Wheme/Chaos depending on if Chaos was going to CC, or help at night, Or do neither

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ECM is flailing hard

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Yes -- it means I am not lynching you or Wheme, and I'd even probably avoid a Lowell lynch because if you can sort wheme tonight then in some ways that helps sort hawk, so there's less need to lynch Lowell for information about if he and hawk are a team.

In that case I'd lynch Alisae in a heartbeat.

Are you answering yes?

Nowhere was sheep up for lynch until Terata restarted it

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No. I think he's scum for pushing AJ agenda around the rolestopper

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Feel free to disagree.

I disagree

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What's CO's result?

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@mod VLA until Tuesday but I'll probably be able to post here and there. More LA than V. Posted to all games

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I'd like to lynch Lowell or Hawk right now, with optional secondaries for Chaos and Frogger.

Here he clearly states his desire as Lowell to be his number one lynch, but by passes that here.

Okay so.. Let me ask you a simple question; Was your post in question a joke or other wise non-serious post that is NAI?

It was a serious question asked in a mocking way, if he hadn't answered it would have been very serious - I leave it to you to classify that in your own joke range.

Btw Sheep, if I for example Whiteknighted you as scum, what would i gain in then instantly swapping you to a scum lean a bit later after i resisted the wagon? doesn't that kinda negate the pocketing the whiteknighting as scum could've possibly gained?

You swapped me after the pressure on me was relieved, which makes sense in a scum concept of hoping the lynch goes through and you look good for being 'right' and shifting me to a lynch option for later also plays to that potential scum play.

No.

I don't play this "answer my questions game." If you think that makes me scum for it IDGAF. I don't sit here and do what people tell me to do. That's not how I play so get off your damn high horse with this "I'd like you to do this" bullcrap.

You've already shown me you'll give absurd logic with that avatar retort. I'm not going to go around in circles with you. It helps nobody.

Could you at least address the point where I called you a misrepper/liar for how you changed up what Lowell said and then attacked me over my reaction to something that wasn't said?

Because I'd love to talk about that.

Vote: Frogger

And votes frogger.

So Gerry is scum, eh?

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That wasn't supposed to quote but I guess it works.

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Not a lot of stuff to sheep yet.

Vote: WhemeStar

Intentionally avoiding Gerry since I think he will likely flail regardless of alignment.
Avoiding LilUzi because he's currently less active.

Sheep the sheep?

this being his first post, I think that he was going to try and distance from one scum partner. what do you think?

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I can see why they killed hawk now. He was arguably the 2nd person I'd say sheep wasnt teamed with besides frog. And it was likely that frog would be doc'd so. It makes sense for that kill. I'll still iso Hawk and see what he had to say about things though.

WTF is this

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Well I certainly look pretty terrible now. With the speed of that wagon, I think it's unlikely both of Sheep's partners bussed him. If that's true, there is scum in AJ, Fitz, ECM, me, and gerry.

Something about this post doesnt sit right with me. I felt like he put himself in there to "look townie by including himself" but if you think about it, what natural reaction is there from town to say there is a scum in _____ and put themselves in there. Anyone else think the same or am I looing into it too much. At leas tin chat mafia, I find this as a scumtell.

I do this as town

I do this as scum

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I like gerry's posts.

I dont

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I think ECM or Chaos is scum, maybe both. But definitely one of them

Already said this D1

I stand by it but Ali and Gerry are weirding me out

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Considering how yesterday played out with the wagons, I'd say that's probably false associatives.

Why?

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I'm back from a long weekend of doing stuff

will catch up tonight

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Sorry for the long weekend, prod/replacement dodge, will make an actual post tonight when I'm home.

looking forward to this

still want to know whether you got some kind of a result on wheme

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would i really do that to a mafia partner who is a strong PR fypov? If so, how come?

1. no

2. I was hammered

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Ec why is your vote on me

Do you really think it's me and Tereta scum?

I want EC to answer this too

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Are you looking EC/CO right now, frogger?

yep

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Hey, ISO both sheep and Chaos and look how neither of them mention Mitchell. Not once. ctrl+f ECM or ctrl+f Mitchell returns nothing on either ISO.

Then look at Mitchell's ISO and look how he talks about preferring others to both sheep or chaos.

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@Mod: can the same mafia player use both an action and perform a kill on the same night?

~If it says so in their role pm, yes

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Uhhhh Fr99er professional opinion on amount of investigative power town is allowed to have?

1 is fine...2 can be ok if it's sorta nerfed

like a cop and a vanilla cop together isn't unheard of (I think I've done it in my own setup IIRC). But a cop and a tracker would be fucked up.

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AJ did I miss another claim. Where's the other investigative from?

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UNVOTE:

We're not ending the day yet. Despite how I think this is a correct lynch.

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There is still more to discuss around the claims, for example.

I have a question to AJ out there about the claims.

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Interesting.

I'm not sure it's a complete CC to tracker, so a I don't really think it's indicative of CO being scum alone just for that.

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I think Chaos's claim is fake. Why wouldn't he track me when he thinks I'm scum? He said my role is BS and didn't do anything to validate it.

Chaos did you track Wheme?

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I'm a tracker. My target last night was ECMitchell; they didn't go anywhere.

derp

yeah why didn't you track wheme then? That makes zero sense.

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Feel better CO

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that might be the first time I ever got prodded

super busy weekend. I work in NASCAR and it's our super bowl. We're coming up near deadline so I'll vote either Mitchell or chaos today. nobody else for me at this point

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Chaos.

He was my first true

love

scumread (after sheep)

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VOTE: Chaos

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Hai friends!
I'm down to rope scum frog after that hammer, cuz I think it was a scumhammer.

lol

after you said i'm all over the place as town you think i'm scum now?

I scumread chaos all game.

you think I bussed sheep?

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maybe he just didnt count. or think unkowns vote would count. i think your progression on that read is bad

no I knew it was the hammer

I have no problem hammering my scum reads who have already claimed

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He was.
But then he hammered in a really scummy way that seemed like he was just trying to cut the convo, especially considering he said earlier:

We're not ending the day yet.

And not much really happened sense then.
Frog why did you hammer when you did if you wanted to keep the day going?

I like how you cut off the quote.

UNVOTE:

We're not ending the day yet.

Despite how I think this is a correct lynch.

and then ignored the next post

There is still more to discuss around the claims, for example.

I have a question to AJ out there about the claims.

AJ answered my question. The claims had been vetted out.

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ali if you're town this is really bad play from you

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you could just be scum pushing me for something that's really easy to push me for (the hammer)

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Sometimes I love quickhammering a scum read of mine just to see how people react the next day

people tend to jump on me for it.

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So why am I the scumfuck on there rather than someone else? How do we know someone bussed sheep?

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Why can't YOU be the scumfuck on there if there was one?

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So don't give me that "You think I was bussing WIFOM" kay thanks.

you know what. I self-wifom every game.

Don't call me out on this.

Seriously. does my push on sheep look like a bus. If so point out where and why

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Who else is scum and who's town Frog?

ECM is scum

I'm waiting for IAI to replace in to hear from them

I don't know who else is scum. I was scumrading Chaos and ECM

Could be fitz

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could be you

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One thing I'm sure of is Gerry's reaction is town

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Ali we're going to talk after this game if you're town

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Please don't try to put words in his mouth thank you Mr. White Knight. -_-

Wait so is Gerry WK'ing me as my own scumbuddy.

is that what you're saying?

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I'm saying there is atleast 1 scumfuck who was on both wagons and Hawk was town, therefore you're the scumfuck who bussed Sheep.

first of all...stop calling me a scumfuck. I don't call you that when I scumread you.

second of all, how does that make me someone who bussed sheep. Why does a scum have to be on the sheep wagon and why does it have to be me specifically?

And I thought you were implying yourself that I thought you bussed Sheep. Which I know you did.

You really don't. Stop pretending like you're the town leader here.

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And I thought you were implying yourself that I thought you bussed Sheep. Which I know you did.

THEN FUCKING POINT OUT WHERE I BUSSED HIM

EXACTLY WHERE HOW AND WHY

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Ali you're better than this than to scumread me for a quickhammer.

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This is me self-meta-ing/self-wifoming basically every game


viewtopic.php?p=7299362#p7299362 (BBT called me out for self-meta/WIFOM...BBT was scum)
viewtopic.php?p=7185807#p7185807 (Aero calls me out for self-meta...Aero was scum)
viewtopic.php?p=7233708#p7233708 (Sakura calls me out for self-meta...Sakura was scum)
viewtopic.php?p=7387205#p7387205 (Prozac calls out self-meta...Prozac was scum)
viewtopic.php?p=7405616#p7405616 (Titus calls me out for self-meta...Titus was scum)
viewtopic.php?p=7338212#p7338212 (Fire calls me out for self-meta...Fire was scum)
this was ME as scum calling someone else on the WIFOM/Self-meta (viewtopic.php?p=6995964#p6995964) ... see...I even did my own scumtell in my very first scum game.

as scum I self meta/WIFOM too, but i'm not called on it
here: viewtopic.php?p=7262038#p7262038 (not called out on it)
here: viewtopic.php?p=7135564#p7135564 (not called out for it)

only other scumgame I remember rolling was as a hydra and I don't think I did it there.



I do that because it's so easy for scum to jump onto, while town decide to read further into it. That you're not even reading further into my actions has me very concerned. I know you're a better player than to scumread me off a quickhammer of somebody I've sucmread basically all game.


Maybe my initial concerns about your replace in were right and you're scum.

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Ali's scum read on me is shallow and bad

it's for a quickhammer and for me wifoming

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Remember ali replaced into that shady penguin slot that Sheep was refraining from giving me a direct answer about before the replace in

I will 1v1 Ali

let's go

VOTE: Ali

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For the record, I find Alisae's entrance this game rather scummy and all over the place, but for now I'll keep the focus among WhemeStar, Lowell, ChaosOmega, and Hawk

This looks like ECM knows Ali is scum...as the scumbuddy

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Especially considering three of them flipped town and Lowell is conftown as the counter to Sheep.

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Fuck it. I've solved the game.

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let's lynch me so we can go home and win.

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A. Sorry about that Frog ;~;. I lost myself a bit there but you're still scum. Most of the time I think D1 lynches on scum there is most likely usually someone bussing and here I think that's you. Like, I had the gut feeling that a scum was bussing Sheep there and I was right.

WHY did you have this gut feel.

What about my posts make you think that.

You're not right. Stop pretending like you are.

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B. Because I have something that I have reason to believe is a guilty.

Are you claiming a guilty on me?

Beucase if so that's fake.

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THEN OUT IT

I DARE YOU

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I TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU

SAY IT

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WHAT IS THE GUILTY

SAY IT

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FUCKING SAY IT ALI

BECAUSE WHEN I FLIP TOWN YOUR BULLSHIT GAMBITING TOWN OR YOU'RE SCUM.

IF YOU ARE BULLSHIT GAMBITING TOWN I'M NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH YOU

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And you saw?

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Wait, are you saying you saw me target wheme?

I COUNTER CLAIM

I AM VANILLA

LYNCH ME AND THEN LYNCH ALI

VOTE: Frog

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I'm not even fucking joking.

lynch me and then lynch ali

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This is me counter claiming

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I COUNTER CLAIM ALI. I AM VANILLA TOWN SO FLIP ME AND REALIZE ALI IS SCUM

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because when I flip town as vanilla, you'll see there is zero possible way I could have visited wheme.

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ali what's your reaction now

I 100% know you're bullshitting. And if you're doing this as town we're going to have words.

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So we have a watcher, a tracker, a claimed investigative by AJ, Gerry claimed PR, and we had a town rolestopper and a town universal backup

GOT IT

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If ali is town then he's gamethrowing and this is fucked

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So you admit you're gamethrowing as town?

Or you're scum.

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which is it.

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I want a real answer

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So I can know how pissed off to be at you post game.

If you're scum it's all fair and good.

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can we seriously flashlynch me to get the day over with and prove ali a liar

Even then

watcher, tracker, AJ investigative, universal backup, odd rolestopper is pretty fucking OP even without Gerry as a PR.

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False Dichtonomy.
I'm town with a guilty on you.

I'M A VANILLA TOWN AND I WILL FLIP THAT SO I WANT AN ANSWER FROM YOU FOR WHEN I FLIP

SERIOUSLY FUCKING ANSEWR ME

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I'm perfectly happy lynching myself as long as town lynches you tomorrow no questions asked

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Gerry please vote me

AJ -- let's go

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this is such bullshit

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I'm straight up counterclaiming there is literally zero way Ali could have a guilty on me.

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easiest thing to do is flip me or ali with a direct guilty and a direct counter claim

that's all there is today. I'll gladly 1v1

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100% positive it's ECM and Ali

sorry Chaos. I hope you forgive me for the hammer but I was scumreading you all game. I'm not perfect.

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A. Sorry about that Frog ;~;.

I still love you

unless you're town game throwing

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then we're seriously going to have words

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Watcher
Tracker
Investigative AJ
Universal Backup
odd rolestopper

IS TOO OVERPOWERED.

AJ should be flashlynching Ali

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Ali who is my scumbuddy?

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Notice how ali disappeared now

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Probably posting in the scum PT

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I COUNTER CLAIM ALI. I AM VANILLA TOWN SO FLIP ME AND REALIZE ALI IS SCUM

goodnight

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I'll catch em after I catch you

I thought you said you already caught me

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Fire: did you mess up and give ali my name when it was supposed to be someone else?

because if not then ali is lying scum.

Unless there's a really fucked non-normal mechanic that the NRG wouldn't approve.

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I'll catch em after I catch you

I thought you said you already caught me

I did!
I'll got you in my sights now.
And I'll find em tonight.
I PROMISE!

shut up

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if you're town i'm going to be so angry

if you're scum then just shut it because you're scum gambit was horrible.

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Fire: did you mess up and give ali my name when it was supposed to be someone else?

because if not then ali is lying scum.

Unless there's a really fucked non-normal mechanic that the NRG wouldn't approve.

this is also important to have an answer for when I flip town. Because if fire made a mistake and ali is town that's important to know there was a mod mistake.

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(not accusing fire of a mod mistake...but if there is one it should be known)

Because I'm flipping town.

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Also

when I flip town, ali's buddy will have to bus, so don't read anything into the ali wagon or who is off the ali wagon

just find scum

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I would say AJ should fullclaim, but I actually think it's better AJ keep the investigative role he is hidden

I just want to know if AJ got a result

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killing me off is better for town so we can flesh out this 1v1 and work from there.

it's pretty clear the ali/penguin slot is scum...especially after I flip VT

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Guys I don't think town!Ali would intentionally make me this mad. Especially after what we had happen before. We're buddies now.

I really think this is a poorly thought out scum gambit to secure a mislynch and get them one step closer

VOTE: Ali

I will gladly 1v1. Votes should only be between us two today

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once again

i'm literally directly CC'ing ali's guilty. I'm vanilla town and when I flip there's no possible approved mechanic that could make ali get a false guilty except a mod mistake. NRG wouldn't approve something this far non-normal.

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AJ what did you get N1?

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^scum

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Ali who did you watch N1 and what did you see

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Worst case scenario is if Ali is town then I'm never fucking playing with him again for game throwing

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It's actually probably not Ali and ECM given interactions

It's almost surely Ali and Fitz

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I'm willing to take this 1 for 1 and roll Alisae first but I'm trying to figure out what the point of Alisae's claim is from scum right now.

So you would accept a 1v1 and opt for the claimed PR instead of the claimed VT?

I don't think I'm interested in that.

You cool with being lynched tomorrow Ali if you're fos?

Worst case...even if they're both town we're still just to D5 LYLO.

VOTE: Frogger

There's no attempt to game solve here. It's obvious from AJ's POV Ali has to be scum. Otherwise town is really OP (not to mention Ali would be game throwing)

No attempt to understand why I'd directly CC Ali

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Watcher
Tracker
Investigative AJ
Universal Backup
odd rolestopper

IS TOO OVERPOWERED.

AJ should be flashlynching Ali

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It's 7v2 right now

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^scum

^flailing

So you actually think i'm scum?

Where was this read of me all game?

You're just blindly believeing a guilty?

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So you think i'm flailing town?

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believeing a guilty?

No...I town read you. I see no reason for scum to engage in a 1v1 though. I'll take it.

So when I flip town you're still not going to lynch Ali? Because you don't believe scum would do this?

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That right there is the def Miriam of a scum buddy.

Finding a reason to weasel out of lynching Ali when i flip VT

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The definition... stupid phone

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Sigh

I'm town Lowell

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No.

I said lynch me to prove he's lying.

No because I'm a VT (VT is my claim and it's a direct counter to the guilty on me)

You say you can't see him doing this as town. But when I flip town then what's your reason for him doing this?

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^@lowell

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If people believe Ali then this town is fucked

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Terata is the only one with any god damn sense here.

What scum motivation was there for me to lynch sheep over Lowell D1?

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You think I immediately hopped off the Lowell wagon and drummed up support for lynching my buddy D1?

Don't be ridiculous

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Were never lynching frog. The push is awful and everone that actualy believe the claim should either reread d1 interactions or they are just scum. What we need to do now is to ask alisea over and over if she can confirm shes either tracker or mafia, and never is doing a shit play here. And tell us shes never done a shut play like this b4

Ali is a he and he claimed watcher, not fracker

I want to know who Ali watched D1 and why

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*When I flip VT

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This game sucks

This is really not a fun spot to be in.

I don't want myself lynched but it's the way it's gonna go unfortunately because of some bullshit fake guilty

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anyway

Never lynch Lowell or Terata

They are conftown

One scum one ali or AJ because otherwise town is OP. Obviously I'm VT and when I flip you all will see t has to be scum!Ali because there is no way town has a tracker a watcher and a third investigative PR in AJ. So it's Ali v AJ tomorrow. And because I'm flipping VT you all HAVE the lynch Ali no questions asked

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My goal today is to find a fourth conftown besides AJ, Lowell, and Terata. If I can find us a fourth conftown we win.

Let's use this day to find a fourth conftown and then hammer me later. I will gladly sacrifice myself for town AFTER we find a fourth conftown.

Why four? If we only have 3 scum can take two of them out with nightkills during the two remaining mislynches. So a fourth conftown guarantees in 5p LYLO we have 2 conftown and 1 conftown in 3p LYLO

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Really a fifth is what we need

Myself
Terata
AJ
Lowell

ECM, Unknown, Gerry, Fitz

Ali

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(A fifth beside myself)

So I need to find two town in ECM Gerry Unknown Fitz

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Gerry you need to obvtown yourself

Did you claim what your PR is?

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So don't give me that "You think I was bussing WIFOM" kay thanks.

BYW Ali did my scum tell extraordinaire

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I kind of agree

But scum have day chat and that would be a really bad thing for Ali to do withiut consulting his buddy

And it all went down so fast I'm not sure his scumbuddy was there, so it's something they either invented at night or Ali went rogue on his buddy with a pretty terrible gambit

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that's because nobody has any idea what you are asking about

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The people rallying to your defense here are sketchy as hell IMO.

the only person rallying to my defense is terata and she's conftown

[Fro99er]

I can, however, see you powering your way out of a lynch despite being caught scum given your towncred---and I'm currently imagining you cackling maniacally in a scumthread somewhere.

you really don't know how to read me then

[Fro99er]

I don't even know roles but what could alter feedback?

nothing can in a normal game

altering feedback is a non-normal mechanic that wouldn't get approved in Mini Normal games even as the one allowable altered mechanic.

[Fro99er]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

Mechanics which are explicitly Non-Normal include:

• Those affecting a role's alignment (no Cults)
  
• Anything which significantly affects the core mechanic of majority/plurality lynches (no Kingmaker, for example)
  
• Anything resolving with a random element
  
• Post Restrictions (other than those included in the ruleset, such as "No quoting your Role PM").
  
• Lying to the players, including False Role Reveals and "Scum Masons"
  
• Night action redirection (no Bus Driver, Lightning Rod, Nexus, or Redirector)

Returning "No Result" to Trackers who do not see their target go anywhere (in favor of "Your target did not visit anyone")

Alignments other than Mafia/Werewolf, Pro-Town, and Serial Killer (no Survivor, Lyncher, or Jester).

Hydra accounts

Differing kill flavor for different factions - everyone that dies at night should flip in the same way (e.g., "died during the night" or "was found dead")

[Fro99er]

Unknown a Framer is considered bastard and not normal.
So I'm pretty sure Frog is scum here.
BTW I'm even night.

I'm 100% sure you're scum here

[Fro99er]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

Mechanics which are explicitly Non-Normal include:

• Those affecting a role's alignment (no Cults)
  
• Anything which significantly affects the core mechanic of majority/plurality lynches (no Kingmaker, for example)
  
• Anything resolving with a random element
  
• Post Restrictions (other than those included in the ruleset, such as "No quoting your Role PM").
  
• Lying to the players, including False Role Reveals and "Scum Masons"
  
  
• Night action redirection (no Bus Driver, Lightning Rod, Nexus, or Redirector)
  
  
• Returning "No Result" to Trackers who do not see their target go anywhere (in favor of "Your target did not visit anyone")
  
• Alignments other than Mafia/Werewolf, Pro-Town, and Serial Killer (no Survivor, Lyncher, or Jester).
  
• Hydra accounts
  
• Differing kill flavor for different factions - everyone that dies at night should flip in the same way (e.g., "died during the night" or "was found dead")

EBWOP

[Fro99er]

So Ali is lying scum

[Fro99er]

just no way I can understand why Ali would fakeclaim as scum out of nowhere, given he mostly has towncred (or nullcred) for most people and the "rogue on his buddy with a pretty terrible gambit" just doesn't seem likely.

Yet when I flip town then what will you say about this?

That you still can't believe they fakeclaimed out of nowhere?

[Fro99er]

I'm going to have words with this town after this game.

[Fro99er]

Except terata

[Fro99er]

Ali if you're even-night, did you think wheme's claim was town since he was odd-night?

[Fro99er]

So not from his D1 claim?

[Fro99er]

Just remember. When I flip town there is ZERO possible way Ali could have been lied to by the mod. Normal rules do not allow for this.

So 100% Ali is lying.

[Fro99er]

Just remember. When I flip town there is ZERO possible way Ali could have been lied to by the mod. Normal rules do not allow for this.

So 100% Ali is lying.

quoted for pagetop

[Fro99er]

I kind of agree

But scum have day chat and that would be a really bad thing for Ali to do withiut consulting his buddy

And it all went down so fast I'm not sure his scumbuddy was there, so it's something they either invented at night or Ali went rogue on his buddy with a pretty terrible gambit

This is the other reason I feel like we need to lynch you first. There's just no way I can understand why Ali would fakeclaim as scum out of nowhere, given he mostly has towncred (or nullcred) for most people and the "rogue on his buddy with a pretty terrible gambit" just doesn't seem likely. I can, however, see you powering your way out of a lynch despite being caught scum given your towncred---and I'm currently imagining you cackling maniacally in a scumthread somewhere. The only possible gambit scenrio I see is Ali/frogger scum, but that seems too far-fetched.

We kill you, and if you're VT, we've got a scum out of it. The people rallying to your defense here are sketchy as hell IMO. What's Ali doing if frogger is town?

Lowell you piss me off

i'm just gonna say it

you frustrate the hell out of me.

I'm town. This is my towngame. Ali has even explicitly said this is my towngame

Now he's faking a guilty on me.

[Fro99er]

Tho first thing I did was skimmed your ISO to find out you're town.
So that's nice.

This was directed at me.

[Fro99er]

Frogger I am excited ;~;

Frogger town = Free winz.

And ye I'll read that too.

More motivation to get rid of me.

[Fro99er]

I feel like Alissa came in here and buddies you because he thinks you're good. Lol.

yep

[Fro99er]

Read Ali's entrance to the game. It's fake, buddying, and scum

[Fro99er]

There's a reason I was wary of Ali right after replace in.

Because penguin slot was scum and because Ali's opening posts were just not right.

[Fro99er]

This isn't about the buddying.
Also please don't tell me how to play the game and how to play as town.
Thanks

The "as town" part wasn't needed. Just little things like that I've picked up on that made me wary of Ali from the start.

[Fro99er]

That's town Frogger in a nutshell.
Town!Frog is all over the place.

[Fro99er]

Ali, not Ari.

I think you're dumbslipping on Ali's name.

[Fro99er]

If people believe Ali then this town is fucked

We're aren't fucked if one of you is scum

Yes, we are.

Because this town will believe anything.

[Fro99er]

That's quite the reach Frogger.

It's not a reach, I'm town.

[Fro99er]

can you all just come in here and lynch me

I want to die

[Fro99er]

this day should not drag on

I don't really care about finding two more town

it's probably ali+fitz

definitely not ali+gerry, so I found another town

unknown is proably town for trying to figure out if framer can exist

there. I solved it

[Fro99er]

And ali ECM interactions make them not a team probably

I'd go fitz first, then any of ECM/Unkown/AJ as the partner options, because I really don't think it's Gerry (also don't think it's AJ or unknown but just keeping options open for y'all

VOTE: frog

[Fro99er]

at this point my lynch is inevitable, and i'm not going against my wincon because I've fleshed out who is town.

I swear to god you all better read my reads when I'm dead.

[Fro99er]

Chaos -- I'm sorry for misreading you and mishammering you. I'll make up for it by pointing out actual scum. It's Ali+Fitz

[Fro99er]

Do you hardclaim a guilty on frog, alisae?

Yes

Ali says he watched Wheme (who died) and saw I visited wheme.

It's a fake claim because I'm VT. There's no possible action I can take at night as a VT. I know you'll say, well you could be scum, and when I flip you'll see it's 100% a pure lie.

[Fro99er]

I also townread Uzi pretty strongly, and Unkown replaced into that slot and hasn't pinged my scum radar either. Pretty confident on unknown being town.

[Fro99er]

Okay.
I have a guilty on Frog.

I watched Wheme.

You visit him.

[Fro99er]

Gerry just put your vote on me so I can end this misery.

[Fro99er]

I've read and i'm prob voting frog. i mean a gambit by alisae is possible but seems unlikely based on the position he was in

JUST FREAKING VOTE ME JESUS CHRIST

[Fro99er]

one more vote please

please put me out of this game

please

[Fro99er]

unknown just vote me.

you're town, it's fine. nobody blame unkown for hammering me

[Fro99er]

Ali, Fitz, Me, Gerry

Unknown is voting ali

AJ, ECM, Terata, Lowell not voting

[Fro99er]

lol, didn't see fire's vc

[Fro99er]

please someone hammer me

[Fro99er]

then flashlynch Ali tomorrow

NO questions asked

[Fro99er]

Unknown the set up is confirmed to be 10 town, 3 scum. Look at fire's opening posts.

[Fro99er]

Also, if you knew me then you would know I'm incredibly stubborn and you won't get me to hammer you by simply asking.

hammer me

as a human to a human

to put me out of my misery