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Tomorrow is going to be a busy day, but today was worse (and over!). I realize that deadline is coming quicker than I'd like it to and thus I'll do my best to produce something significant when I get home tomorrow."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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There's no reason we can't lynch him today.In post 905, TwoFace wrote:Day 2 please lynch fitz ok. I won't be around to do it so please, don't let him off the hook.
Where do you want to direct the wagon, Josh?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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And yet he's the lone vote on Vedith?In post 908, Gamma Emerald wrote:He wants an Io-slot lynch iirc"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Dierfire, could we get a 24 hour extension? I would appreciate the extra cushion if possible; reading, processing, and trying to do something in 48 hours is a lot."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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It's certainly possible; Gamma, you, and I could sway easily and if Josh the vanity voter is amendable to the move it's tied with the largest wagon of the day.In post 912, TwoFace wrote:
Been trying for at least 15 to 20 pages with little to no support. I'm not hopeful it's going to magically happen now.In post 907, Nachomamma8 wrote:There's no reason we can't lynch him today.
Sell me?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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By "throughout the day", do you mean "that one time when there were three days of deadline left"? Or do you have examples that you didn't quote?In post 914, havingfitz wrote:
This is a good point. I was more focused on the fact Gamma has been doing this throughout the day when we were "nowhere close to deadline then."In post 902, Nachomamma8 wrote:Fitz, don't you think that claiming with ~1 day left until deadline is pretty reasonable when you're the top wagon?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Hi, I'm new blood. I will not be a useless mason. If you're giving up and turning in because you can't hold on and produce for another day, then you're just as much a part of the problem at the people you're currently frustrated at because you're burying your head in the sand when an opportunity to change the gamestate has finally presented itself.In post 919, TwoFace wrote:I'm all out of energy at this point. Between stupid townies and a pair of useless masons my patience is gone with this game."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Ah. That was stupid as shit.In post 921, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I asked LUV to claim his mason partnerIn post 918, Nachomamma8 wrote:
By "throughout the day", do you mean "that one time when there were three days of deadline left"? Or do you have examples that you didn't quote?In post 914, havingfitz wrote:
This is a good point. I was more focused on the fact Gamma has been doing this throughout the day when we were "nowhere close to deadline then."In post 902, Nachomamma8 wrote:Fitz, don't you think that claiming with ~1 day left until deadline is pretty reasonable when you're the top wagon?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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We have under a day to reach majority and get a lynch. What makes you think that people are going to see the light on Vedith and suddenly vote him out if you're not going to put in the work to get it done? Who else would you vote as a compromise?In post 922, Joshz wrote:
i have a very, very strong scum read on twiszted, and vedith hasnt exactly been a super strong townie. i encourage you to read through twiszted's content itt, its awful.In post 909, Nachomamma8 wrote:
And yet he's the lone vote on Vedith?In post 908, Gamma Emerald wrote:He wants an Io-slot lynch iirc"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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And is that the crux of your case against him?In post 924, havingfitz wrote:
The first example I gave was from 2 weeks ago. It's appeared to be a recurring theme. Those three examples are it. Along with his advice to not claim unless at L-1.In post 918, Nachomamma8 wrote:By "throughout the day", do you mean "that one time when there were three days of deadline left"? Or do you have examples that you didn't quote?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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TwoFace?In post 925, Gamma Emerald wrote:I wouldn't really hold it against him tbh
He's a House alt, and House has a distinct aggressive style"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Your job isn't just to post what you think, you know. Your job is also to sell; if people weren't following you on the fitz case when you were making it earlier, then it makes sense to back off for a little while and take a different tack.In post 933, TwoFace wrote:
Hi you replaced in and proceeded to do nothing until right now.In post 920, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Hi, I'm new blood. I will not be a useless mason. If you're giving up and turning in because you can't hold on and produce for another day, then you're just as much a part of the problem at the people you're currently frustrated at because you're burying your head in the sand when an opportunity to change the gamestate has finally presented itself.In post 919, TwoFace wrote:I'm all out of energy at this point. Between stupid townies and a pair of useless masons my patience is gone with this game.
I've made many posts why fitz is scum. I have no desire or time to repost it. I'm sorry but that doesn't make me part of the problem because Ive done my job already.
You want to know why I think fitz is scum? Go fucking read the game. You don't want to, then YOU are part of the fucking problem.
I'm sick and tired of replacements replacing in and not doing shit. It happens way too much. If you don't want to read, don't replace in.
I don't believe that you don't have time to sum up why you think someone should be lynched; tell me the points you feel the strongest about and typing it up shouldn't take but a moment."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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This is an insanely odd question.In post 29, TheseViolentDelights wrote:Why do you feel the need to participate in RVS?
At the end of the day it probably won't factor largely into my final read of the slot, but this is definitely something that I would have questioned had I been around at the time.
Aristophanes is sticking his neck out too much already for him to be scum; generally, don't think that his scum game looks particularly excited and not sure that it drops something like "I don't have a clue why anyone would replace out with this role!" early - it stops him from claiming Vanilla Townie later without getting pressure for it and that seems like a strange thing to set up so early, and an especially strange thing to be coming from uncomfortable scum.In post 36, Aristophanes wrote:I'm gonna try my hand at mafia again, and I just can't believe how many people ran away already!What did you people do to these poor souls!?
I don't have a clue why anyone would replace out with this role!
So, Hi all!
This early aggression threw off the bad first impression a bit; would be impressed if most players decided to stick their neck out that far in order to push a lynch through on a person who softed PR.In post 45, TheseViolentDelights wrote:town does not come in heavy hinting their PR on their first post
And any alignment?In post 92, Gamma Emerald wrote:You'd totally do that as any role I feel.
TVD's follow up content similarly makes me feel better about him; I don't necessarily think that there's anything in particular about them that stands out as exceptionally town, but I like his contributions in general."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I'm not sure where I've overstepped my bounds.In post 937, TwoFace wrote:Go duck off Mr Mason. You think that claim excuses you from putting in the work? No it doesn't. I've done my job. You want me to convince you on fitz?
Get to reading. All of my reasons are in there. - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p8590645
And stop criticizing people for not doing shit until you've done something yourself.
I am going to read on the day that I said I was going to read. I find engaging in real time to be equally useful, and typically don't find that my catchup suffers when I'm doing both, so I'm doing both. I never said that I wasn't going to read.
My "sell me" was less an honest request for you to convince me on fitz (I'll likely make my own conclusions based on what I read), and more of an encouragement for you to push a wagon that you preferred as opposed to rolling over and settling for Day 2.
My point when I criticized you earlier was not that you haven't done enough work, but rather that deciding not to put in work at such a pivotal moment of the day (wagons move a lot easier when deadline is close, you have an opportunity to work with a couple new players) seems silly; this is the point in the day when it's likely that you will actually get a return on the effort that you're putting in."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Do you have posts that you dislike on TT or Vedith? Start there, see what you can put words to.In post 942, Joshz wrote:ive scrolled through the thread and isos a ton and i feel confident gut wise about vedith being scum, but i dont have a case atm that i can post so for now and i get im not being very convincing. ill be on as i said and ill vote fitz tomorrow if it has no traction by then."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Why do you think that Creeps distrusting masons is scummy when there's no way in hell that he's actually getting us lynched? Your signature is about you getting paranoid of conftown and someone reading you as town as a result so I don't think it's unreasonable for me to expect you to understand why scum probably wouldn't push the mason pair here.In post 948, Gamma Emerald wrote:
1) Creeps distrust of the masons seems scummy, and if he lives to LyLo, based on his current behavior, he's a definite liabilityIn post 947, Nachomamma8 wrote:Gamma, why Creeps over fitz?
2) Math had a strange switch off of Creeps that makes me think they're scumbuddies
Why do you think that Mathblade is scum?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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This approach makes sense, I'll look out for it.In post 949, Joshz wrote:he constantly goes for easy pushes. the first thing he does itg is go for tvd. when that doesnt pan out, he goes for eric, the ubernoob. he gets off eventually, but like, eric was obvtown to me, though clearly im biased knowing he was townie. there are only scum reasons to push a supernoob like that, as opposed to a noob of my level who is at least competent. more importantly, literally every post of his was contentless and empty. he did not start any GOOD discussons, or join in in any. #175 is also p bad, the only game ive completed on this site scum delegated to things such as 'x is scum and bonus points who tells me why', aka tricking people into subconsciously analyzing scummy traits of a person and ignoring their actual stance. twiszted was super scummy and nothing has changed my view on that.
I think that House is a player that occasionally misses things that most people pick up on (aka Eric's ubertowniness), so the tell is lessened somewhat but I agree that some of his early approaches look pretty terrible; right now, I'm reading through his early approach to Gamma and I don't really like what he's scumreading Gamma for (assuming and wording, neither of which are scumtells in any sense of the word)."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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This attack is entirely semantics; not exactly something that I like as a general rule since most people seem to be intelligent enough to realize that the exact words that a person uses doesn't exactly mean that much.In post 107, TwiszTed wrote:Then you should preface your post with the fact it's an interpretation and not "what he meant".
This attack experiences a similar "obvious this isn't what's happening" type of thing. I think it's completely possible that House was trying to trip up Gamma at this point; it certainly doesn't seem like they're scumpartners based on House's approach here.In post 114, TwiszTed wrote:So now you're making assumptions, as well as speaking for others.
These couple of posts in tandem are pretty awkward; the "best bet for me" seems like he meant something different than the explanation he ended up offering.In post 123, Eric Rasputin wrote:Reading through the chat and based on my gut, I have a feeling its Uzi ... Although I have no evidence to support it ...
This, however, ends up blowing that out of the water completely; this is a fairly common town slip from offsite since a lot of sites don't rand who is scum and who is town and Eric on a scumteam would know that the moderator didn't rand everyone to be VT since he himself wasn't scum.In post 130, Eric Rasputin wrote:Now, you're coming off as scummy lol ... There is a high probability that you're not scum ... The mod seems to make all the new players(as in the ones who started their account in Nov) all VT ... So, I dont think you're scum ...
I liked this response to House; at the moment, don't really have anything more sophisticated than "seems genuine" but he's forming up to be a fairly strong early townread anyways.In post 140, Eric Rasputin wrote:Just because ... Sometimes you dont need a reason .. All my posts have a meaning and it helps me and not the team ... I am not a very good team player because my style is completely different from the others .... My job is to make my alignment win ... I'll do that even if I have to deceive my own alignment ... And I'm out .. Hope the KP comes soon"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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And what motivation does he have for doing that as scum?In post 952, Gamma Emerald wrote:He's just "I don't believe you"."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I don't mind that he was pushing; I mind how he pushed.In post 954, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Me and House don't get along wellIn post 951, Nachomamma8 wrote:
This approach makes sense, I'll look out for it.In post 949, Joshz wrote:he constantly goes for easy pushes. the first thing he does itg is go for tvd. when that doesnt pan out, he goes for eric, the ubernoob. he gets off eventually, but like, eric was obvtown to me, though clearly im biased knowing he was townie. there are only scum reasons to push a supernoob like that, as opposed to a noob of my level who is at least competent. more importantly, literally every post of his was contentless and empty. he did not start any GOOD discussons, or join in in any. #175 is also p bad, the only game ive completed on this site scum delegated to things such as 'x is scum and bonus points who tells me why', aka tricking people into subconsciously analyzing scummy traits of a person and ignoring their actual stance. twiszted was super scummy and nothing has changed my view on that.
I think that House is a player that occasionally misses things that most people pick up on (aka Eric's ubertowniness), so the tell is lessened somewhat but I agree that some of his early approaches look pretty terrible; right now, I'm reading through his early approach to Gamma and I don't really like what he's scumreading Gamma for (assuming and wording, neither of which are scumtells in any sense of the word).
First game he tunneled me for parts of Days 1, 2, and 3, wavering his read so he could guage my alignment
Second game I had a read discrepancy he attacked me on, but he was scum so EH
I don't really think that he thought that it was scummy that you gave an interpretation of how someone was thinking because you didn't say "this is an interpretation" first."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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So it could be town and it could be scum but you think that it's scummy?In post 957, Gamma Emerald wrote:
It seems like a towny tinfoil hats thing at first, but then I realized he could be scum disguising himself as bad townIn post 955, Nachomamma8 wrote:
And what motivation does he have for doing that as scum?In post 952, Gamma Emerald wrote:He's just "I don't believe you".
This is the part where you're losing me."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Unfortunately, I'm not really too familiar with Gamma and currently have enough reading to do where I'm unable to take on anymore, so telling me that he's playing differently isn't particularly helpful; do you have any specifics?In post 960, MathBlade wrote:
Gamma isn't his town self. In the scum game I was recently in 1841 he was a lot different.In post 913, Nachomamma8 wrote:Mathblade, why do you want to lynch Gamma?
He pushed for mason partner immediately and for many claims IMHO way too early. He has done blatant terribad fishing and it just isn't right.
I agree that he pushed for the mason partners to claim too early, but don't think that's strong enough on its own for me to want to push a lynch through on it."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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There's a significant difference between the two actions.In post 963, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In that game I was a watcher and I fished for watcher targets D1 when I knew I might get scumread for itIn post 960, MathBlade wrote:
Gamma isn't his town self. In the scum game I was recently in 1841 he was a lot different.In post 913, Nachomamma8 wrote:Mathblade, why do you want to lynch Gamma?
He pushed for mason partner immediately and for many claims IMHO way too early. He has done blatant terribad fishing and it just isn't right.
There, you asked for watcher targets so you could choose a target better.
Here, you asked for two mason claims instead of one because...?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Seems pretty weak, especially if this is the big case for your preferred lynch.
Do you disagree?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Which is also weak. It's day 1, so it's pretty unlikely that we managed to catch two scum immediately, I don't have a particularly strong scumread on Mathblade in the first place, and it's not like read changes are strong indicators of partnerships.In post 968, Gamma Emerald wrote:There's also Math's 60-0 read change on Creeps"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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You don't think that it's possible for people to lose confidence over time?In post 972, Gamma Emerald wrote:You don't reread and have your reads end up LESS DEVELOPED.
Or are you making a different point with this?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Thanks, I'll glance through it when I get the chance.In post 969, MathBlade wrote:@Nacho I am about to head home after grocery shopping but here is Gamma's ISO from 1841. Note how "jokey" he is and serious he gets at times.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=28404
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So why is that reason to lynch Creeps and not Mathblade?In post 977, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Before they had a me-Creeps-joshz scumteamIn post 974, Nachomamma8 wrote:
You don't think that it's possible for people to lose confidence over time?In post 972, Gamma Emerald wrote:You don't reread and have your reads end up LESS DEVELOPED.
Or are you making a different point with this?
After, it was "idek everyone else, gamma is teh scumz""Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I think what they are saying is that you saying that "people don't reread and end up with less developed reads" was a generalization that didn't apply to them.In post 979, Gamma Emerald wrote:
What the fuck?In post 975, MathBlade wrote:Yes I do. Wake's game I did and I was town there.
What you mean is YOU don't have your reads less developed. I do.
Yeah, your reads are less developed. What are you trying to say?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I don't really like this vote on Eric; Creeps seems to ignore all of Eric's other posts because he can't give reasoning for a vote?In post 141, Creeps20 wrote:
VOTE: EricIn post 140, Eric Rasputin wrote:Just because ... Sometimes you dont need a reason .. All my posts have a meaning and it helps me and not the team ... I am not a very good team player because my style is completely different from the others .... My job is to make my alignment win ... I'll do that even if I have to deceive my own alignment ... And I'm out .. Hope the KP comes soon
I see plenty of scum motivation from this post. I feel like he was attempting to start a bandwagon based on nothing so he can get the town flip (assuming he is town) and he can back off saying that he was just random voting
And as for this one, the "responsible scumhunting" line feels slimy and fake; I've played with House before and that seems uncharacteristically stiff. I suppose it could be him trying to disguise his style a bit but I don't really see any differences and so somehow I sincerely doubt it.In post 142, TwiszTed wrote:In post 140, Eric Rasputin wrote:Just because ... Sometimes you dont need a reason .. All my posts have a meaning and it helps me and not the team ... I am not a very good team player because my style is completely different from the others .... My job is to make my alignment win ... I'll do that even if I have to deceive my own alignment ... And I'm out .. Hope the KP comes soon
Been mulling this over, and yeah...
VOTE: Eric
Throwing out reads with zero backing.
As far as playing for yourself, that's all fine and good, I do the same. But that doesn't exempt you from responsible scumhunting.
I would have been much more happy with 178 if it actually made conclusions; having Io as his strongest scumread for the "statistics" talk also seems shallow and silly.
Hikari's approach to Eric in 190 is interesting; identifying that he is town is good but expected. I'm not sure what to make over his "I'm not sure if he's scum or not" type posts."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Okay. Why do you suspect Mathblade outside of what you just told me? What do you think of their predecessor?In post 982, Gamma Emerald wrote:
It felt like he was backing off his buddyIn post 980, Nachomamma8 wrote:
So why is that reason to lynch Creeps and not Mathblade?In post 977, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Before they had a me-Creeps-joshz scumteamIn post 974, Nachomamma8 wrote:
You don't think that it's possible for people to lose confidence over time?In post 972, Gamma Emerald wrote:You don't reread and have your reads end up LESS DEVELOPED.
Or are you making a different point with this?
After, it was "idek everyone else, gamma is teh scumz"
Now that you point it out, what I did is actually rather bad. I'm voting the wrong side of the association.
VOTE: MathBlade"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Aristophanes's next spurt of posting moves him up into a high confidence townread - would be extraordinarily surprised if he was scum here based on the experiential meta I have on him.
This vote looks fairly opportunistic.In post 288, Creeps20 wrote:
UNVOTE: EricIn post 277, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Mafiascum is life.
VOTE: Uzi
Useless posts. Constantly. I really haven't seen much content
The PARTNER NOW! piece was fairly weird, I understand why people had issure with it; interested in hearing Gamma's side on it.
And if there is a partner, you've outed two power roles and reduced the chance of the masons being protected.In post 323, Gamma Emerald wrote:I asked for a partner claim because if there is no partner we have caught scum.
You didn't think that it might be useful to not paint giant red bullseyes on more town PRs than necessary?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Vote him, then.In post 995, Gamma Emerald wrote:
This post is fucking bullshit. "I've done jack shit" "I HAVEN'T DONE SHIT" SURE IT AIN'T ALL GOOD SHIT BUT I'VE DONE SHITIn post 750, havingfitz wrote:I would vote Gamma and Ari as well. Neither of them have done fcukall this game that I can recall other than sheeping TwoFace's crapass case on me.
Vedith and Deers have petered out after replacing in. Sadly. wtf
Josh has revived the Eric slot a bit so looking forward (hopefully) to seeing what that slot provides tomorrow.
Misa claimed mason so I guess their work is done"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Seems more important to determine who we're lynching in the limited amount of time we have left; mass claim adds in unnecessary complication to the day."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Hikari, this is the part of the post that I'm talking about. You seemed like you had a pretty decent townread on him early and then it fizzled out into this; your read solidified later, so this isn't something that I really care about.In post 190, Hiraki wrote:i'm here to catch scum, i can't tell if eric is yet tho"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I think that this is a fairly poor generalization; it isn't really unheard of or uncommon for people to townread other people on Day 1.In post 376, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:Noone defends someone unless he has some good posts spot on.
I think that pushing a player and then backing off suddenly in the way that Deer did is an odd move. As scum, I can see him doing so if he worried that he was getting in trouble and isn't a very strong player, whereas if town I can see him realizing the push was silly and then backing off. I'm not sure which I think is more likely quite yet, but, for me, it's pretty hard to believe that Deer went from "OMGUS is a scumtell where I come from" to "TwoFace is town!" within the course of a minute.In post 383, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:Actually Now i feel TwoFace and Eric both are town. I mis-interpreted few things, i guess.
My Current sus list:
Creeps
Gamma
Others are null for now.
Creeps in 401 makes another odd, weird vote, but showing up in 411 to tell Gamma that it's okay to scumread him seems pretty weird from a scum perspective.
Interested in why you moved from here to Creeps; would you be willing to move back?In post 413, Aristophanes wrote:Who's up for a Fitz lynch today?
His arguments against people are horrendous, and I know he's better than that. I mean like "You voted a Mason before they claimed! You must be scum!" doesn't even make any fucking sense!
VOTE: Fitz
This is also a slot that can die whenever; I feel like a majority of what I've read from it is "hey guys, I'll be back later! ;D".
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Creeps is a new player. That meshes pretty well with his playstyle in general.In post 1010, Gamma Emerald wrote:But Creeps is like "you're pretty much confirmed but I STILL DON'T TRUST YOU"."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Aristophanes's play this game seems like night and day compared with his scum game. I thought that Eric looked incredibly obvious town from the slip to his responses when he started getting pressured. I think that Mathblade looks pretty good and I thought her predecessor looked pretty good although I suppose I should move her down to the next column. TwoFace and Gamma both seem pretty talkative and productive which equals townreads but I haven't really found any smoking guns to prove their towniness. Creeps has some weird votes but there are a couple posts I think look pretty good, Hikari seems fine but is a competent scum player so am hoping for something more definite before moving him up.
Frank hasn't yet done shit but promise to catch up and fail to deliver. It's not very difficult to imagine him as scum.
I thought that House's early pushes looked fake as hell and Vedith has not yet erased that suspicion.
Deer going from scumreading TF to townreading him within the course of a minute seem awkward and unrealistic.
Fitz's pushes this game have been oddly weak and I haven't read a post from him yet that feels like it has any good energy in it at all."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Why did you go from unsure on Eric to him being town?In post 1017, Hiraki wrote:
it didn't fizzle out into that, that's post 190 - fair point if this was post 200 or 300 tho (its not)In post 1008, Nachomamma8 wrote:You seemed like you had a pretty decent townread on him early and then it fizzled out into this"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Why does creep look scummy? What is your read on fitz?In post 1019, FrankJaeger wrote:Reading up through 39 gamma is def suspect. His reads are wishy washy. Fence sitting. Could just be wary town."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I know you said nevermind to this, but no. If someone has suspicion that seems particularly wonky then treat it like suspicion on anyone else.In post 1025, TwoFace wrote:Nacho have a conversation with me when you get back.
what do you think about the idea of looking at the people who voted /suspected a claimed mason. Good idea or no?
I'll have some follow up questions"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Fitz and Creeps are both at 4; wouldn't call fitz a vanity wagon.In post 1041, MathBlade wrote:Then Creeps or Gamma all other are vanity at this point."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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"If I'm still alive in the morning" doesn't seem like something a PR who was worried about getting lynched would say.In post 1047, havingfitz wrote:I'm town. Stop pushing a mislynch for what?
Busy RL day. If I'm still alive in the morning I'll be available to discuss further.
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I think the "Creeps doubted the mason claim"! Is ultra silly considering he said "for now" and then two people asked him why he didn't 100% believe it."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I think I'd still rather take the plunge with a fitz lynch, unfortunately. It's certainly a risk but I don't feel good about Creeps as an alternative and I don't think Fitz's mindset lines up with that jailkeeper claim."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Fitz, I've given bits and pieces of why I suspect you; haven't quite gotten into as many specifics as I'd like due to lack of time but it's mostly because I don't believe the suspicions that you're pushing and I don't feel great about your recent responses; instead of trying to sell me on something else or push back against the reasons you've given, you asked me twice why I am pushing you. I also think you wouldn't be so "agh I will probably be mislynched today" if you were town and had a PR claim to back it up, and don't think that you'd fake a mindset to make you seem like VT if you didn't have a lot of time to work with in the first place."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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