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did you not learn from last game?
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o ok. you learned nvm lolIn post 126, TwoFace wrote:Vijarda. That was terrible reasons to vote someone. They aren't AI things.-
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This is a bad vote because you've played with me enough to know I say this every game. Did you finally flip maf and trying to push a vote, despite knowing that this is something that I regularly say?In post 127, Gamma Emerald wrote:
VOTE: GerryoatIn post 119, gerryoat wrote:Okay, I think we're out of that dumb phase, we can start playing the game now congrats everyone-
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His vote on me is bad, but his reasoning isn't bad. I can see from his point of view from someone who hasn't played with me how this can seem. But, it's only been 5 pages, how do you expect me to move the game forward when the first 5 pages of so of every game people spout random votes on reaction test votes that are baseless?In post 123, Vijarada wrote:
Three postsIn [url=/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8585117#p8585117]post 119[/url], gerryoat wrote:Okay, I think we're out of that dumb phase, we can start playing the game now congrats everyone
"Hi"
"I dislike RVS"
"We're out of RVS yay!"
This is a very intentional effort to avoid moving the game foward. VOTE: Gerryoat-
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I would argue that everyone has fake ass scumhunting in RVS stage, because it's voting people and looking for reactions. So, is there a deeper reason why you think his scumhunting is fake? Is it possible that you have meta with him and his wording seems different this game?
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I don't find voting random people and making bad jokes about voting people randomly fun lol. But, I'm here now to participate now.In post 122, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Gerry - why not participate in the fun early on?-
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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p8496203In post 133, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I didn't know thatIn post 130, gerryoat wrote:
This is a bad vote because you've played with me enough to know I say this every game. Did you finally flip maf and trying to push a vote, despite knowing that this is something that I regularly say?In post 127, Gamma Emerald wrote:
VOTE: GerryoatIn post 119, gerryoat wrote:Okay, I think we're out of that dumb phase, we can start playing the game now congrats everyone
Could you point it out?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p8334540
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If you read someone saying you were scummy, how do you not know who said it?In post 137, keyenpeydee wrote:Why am I scummy? @whoeversaidthat-
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It looks like forced to me. I mean it's not like it's been 20 pages, it's been 6. He could have asked directly, but instead it looked like he was trying to avoid direct confrontation with someoneIn post 140, -Grey- wrote:
What did you hope to accomplish with that question?In post 138, gerryoat wrote:
If you read someone saying you were scummy, how do you not know who said it?In post 137, keyenpeydee wrote:Why am I scummy? @whoeversaidthat-
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I think you're reaching very hard. It was just something that I say every game, and something that I feel like as town he wouldn't push on. But i guess he wasn't aware of it as I thought he would be.In post 154, Tywin Lannister wrote:
@Everyone: Remember when I said that meta sucks and gave reasons why? Look at this guy ^. This is a guy that knows his meta and so uses it as a defense. He clearly thought this through beforehand.In post 130, gerryoat wrote:
This is a bad vote because you've played with me enough to know I say this every game. Did you finally flip maf and trying to push a vote, despite knowing that this is something that I regularly say?In post 127, Gamma Emerald wrote:
VOTE: GerryoatIn post 119, gerryoat wrote:Okay, I think we're out of that dumb phase, we can start playing the game now congrats everyone
Do we all know why meta sucks now? It allows crap like this to happen.-
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It's bad because I'm town, but his logic shows that he's at least trying to scumhunt. Just because someone votes you doesnt mean they are mafia or making up reads. That's what I was trying to get across.In post 174, JarJarDrinks wrote:
Why is his vote on you bad if the reasoning isn't?In post 131, gerryoat wrote:His vote on me is bad, but his reasoning isn't bad.-
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He was reaching, but I agree that I like his content so far.In post 184, JarJarDrinks wrote:
tywin looks town to me.In post 180, TwoFace wrote:if key flips scum, keep an eye on tywin.-
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I don't like meta as a defense, but sometimes I do use it. I didn't really feel it was a bad use of meta though, cause it's something I literally say every game lol.In post 241, Tywin Lannister wrote:
I'm not reaching at all. If I was reaching, I'd have called it AI and voted you. I did neither. I simply used you as an example for why meta is useless. You used your own meta to defend yourself, which obviously is a good example showing how meta can be manipulated.In post 201, gerryoat wrote:
I think you're reaching very hard. It was just something that I say every game, and something that I feel like as town he wouldn't push on. But i guess he wasn't aware of it as I thought he would be.In post 154, Tywin Lannister wrote:
@Everyone: Remember when I said that meta sucks and gave reasons why? Look at this guy ^. This is a guy that knows his meta and so uses it as a defense. He clearly thought this through beforehand.In post 130, gerryoat wrote:
This is a bad vote because you've played with me enough to know I say this every game. Did you finally flip maf and trying to push a vote, despite knowing that this is something that I regularly say?In post 127, Gamma Emerald wrote:
VOTE: GerryoatIn post 119, gerryoat wrote:Okay, I think we're out of that dumb phase, we can start playing the game now congrats everyone
Do we all know why meta sucks now? It allows crap like this to happen.
So where's the reach? Do you disagree with my assessment? Did you not use your own meta as a defense?-
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In post 192, keyenpeydee wrote:2F, your reads are as shit as ever. I remember you being so aggressive and ruining town.In post 193, keyenpeydee wrote:lol yeah fine lynch me. go ahead.
idk guys, he kinda sounds like me when I'm fos'd as town and upset lol. I'm kinda hesitant to vote him based on that alone. I want to see what he 'figured out' when he gets back, though.In post 225, keyenpeydee wrote:JarJar, I still don't get why you're scum reading me. Mind to give reasons?-
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With whoIn post 328, Raskolnikov wrote:
Wanna cw JJD wagon?In post 321, gerryoat wrote:Jar has been asking a lot of questions and not giving answers. But, if you inspect his reads, they make sense. I can see why he's voting Key (even though I kinda disagree right now) And he also has a tr on tywin, which I can also see why he TRs tywin.-
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as in theseIn post 337, JarJarDrinks wrote:
Agree w/ all theseIn post 299, Raskolnikov wrote:People who I'd consider good votes atm:
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what's your read on psychoticdaveIn post 365, TwoFace wrote:We need to lynch keyen first-
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This. Also there does seem to be resistant on the last 2, but I'm not sure as to why? Can someone give me reasons why they TR Gamma or Dave?In post 374, JarJarDrinks wrote:KeyNpeeles vote is bad too.
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How do you know he's useless but not scummy? All his posts have been trash. He could be useless mafiaIn post 421, TwoFace wrote:
Why Dave? He's useless but not scummy.In post 418, Raskolnikov wrote:VOTE: Psychodave
There's still weirdness from keyen but I could see a lot of it coming from rvs + wagon nervousness and phone-posting (any maybe language barrier).
I kind of like 371 because it feels as though he's owning up to what was said in some way if that makes sense. Idk about the explanations but they aren't terrible, and his reads/pov at this point isn't that unreasonable either.-
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THough I think his content (key) has been bad, i feel like his reactions to the lynches are pretty good. And they line up to how I react when I'm about to be mislynched as town. So, I kinda wanna townread him or it.In post 449, Raskolnikov wrote:FTR I do think keyen is scummier than gamma emerald from what I know of gamma emerald (the admittance of half-assing reads is bold), though I expect gamma to be an easy sort over enough time anyways. IDK how this guy can be so confident at this point on him either though.-
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this dude comes back and all he asks for is a vote count, despite there being questions on him.In post 529, PsychoticDave wrote:Could we get a vote count?-
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What are your reads this game. What do you think of the people with the most votes on them? Is there anyone who you wouldn't vote today? Is there a lynch pool you're more comfortable with?In post 543, PsychoticDave wrote:
What questions would you like me to answer?In post 541, gerryoat wrote:
this dude comes back and all he asks for is a vote count, despite there being questions on him.In post 529, PsychoticDave wrote:Could we get a vote count?-
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I jut find it weird to come back and not have anything to add except "can we get a vote count"In post 546, TwoFace wrote:Right but Gerry didn't ask him any questions so what's he harping about?-
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you must forget i exist this gameIn post 603, Tywin Lannister wrote:Not a single person besides me has really even questioned it-
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this is pretty much it. even when he was given opportunity to give some good content, he shyed away from it. All his reads are from 'gut' and he can't break down any of his reasons for his reads.In post 623, Tywin Lannister wrote:I can explain the Dave case at least. Dave has posted all fluff/trash for the majority of his participation. He did answer my questions, but he ignored gerryoats' for some unknown reason. He ignored Rask's earlier questions as well, and I may be forgetting a few. He hasn't posted any reads, because he claimed all are null, but when pushed he did say grey (and key I believe, but I'm on phone so not positive). Regardless, he hasn't asked questions or scum hunted anyone by default. It could be a case of being unfamiliar with forum Mafia, but I'd assume he'd still try to participate when he was told how this works.
So basically, the Dave case boils down to him being 'useless,' which he agreed with when I asked his thoughts on that. His avoidance of answering questions looks scummy, and his lack of scum hunts does as well. He does continue to post, so he's not lurking in the strictest sense, but he's added nothing to help town. By definition, his play as been anti-town.
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?????? did you not think he was not a good vote?In post 672, Tywin Lannister wrote:VOTE: keyen. L-1.-
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i mean technically wouldn't everyone else be town? lol
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i agree with this pool. i wouldn't call it strong, but i think they are town. also i need explanation from tywin for the vote on keyIn post 730, JarJarDrinks wrote:2face, Rask, Tywin are all strong townreads that should never be lynched.-
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Please tell me how you think I could be scum.In post 776, Gamma Emerald wrote:Gerry is possibly scum-
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Spoiler: Key
These are all things i'd say being upset lol. I'm pretty sure I said most of this stuff in the Space Maf game I was in with TwoFace. He also keeps saying "If I flip town" Which I initially TR because he's trying to make a dying wish that when we see him flip town, we should listen to him.-
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I agree. Don't like this line from Lil UziIn post 806, TwoFace wrote:
I don't think anyone bought it. are you reading? multiple people said they thought the claim was not legitIn post 803, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Yeah I'm not sure why any of you guys bought that claim.
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You still haven't given a reason for scumreading me. Or is it only POE?In post 841, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm thinking ssbm for one. That clears Gear imo. TF, JJD, and fitz aren't feeling particularly scummy, and Tywin is already clear.
That leaves gerry and LUV. I feel gerry is the more likely of the two.-
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quote them. Because you haven't grilled me on any of the 'sketchy' posts. WHich is what I'd assume anyone would do on a scumread. Especially when you narrowed it down by that much.In post 845, Gamma Emerald wrote:
PoE and some sketchy posts.In post 843, gerryoat wrote:
You still haven't given a reason for scumreading me. Or is it only POE?In post 841, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm thinking ssbm for one. That clears Gear imo. TF, JJD, and fitz aren't feeling particularly scummy, and Tywin is already clear.
That leaves gerry and LUV. I feel gerry is the more likely of the two.-
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1st: 2 people voted Tywin, who I tr probably the most right now. I think those were bad votes and I didn't even ike the reason for voting him. You seem to TR tywin now, so I don't get how you can come to that conclusion.In post 847, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 363, gerryoat wrote:back to back bad votes imoIn post 548, gerryoat wrote:
I jut find it weird to come back and not have anything to add except "can we get a vote count"In post 546, TwoFace wrote:Right but Gerry didn't ask him any questions so what's he harping about?In post 619, gerryoat wrote:Why do people keep voting key? And why aren't more people voting PsychoticDave. -Grey- idk if you're new or anything, but you shouldn't have claimed right away like that, you weren't even on L-1 yet.
2nd: I was pushing on Dave, my hardest scumread. He wasn't doing much. And people don't just skip 20 pages and then come back without any content to add but "what are the votes at"
3rd: I didn't scumread key, because he had reactions that I have when I'm scumread as town. Which is why I thought he was a bad vote. Which he ended up turning out to be.-
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I think there has to be more than 1 scum on the key wagon. That wagon was way too easy.
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