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I'd like to hear thisIn post 18, MariaR wrote:
Wanna talk about how you're wrong.In post 16, mykonian wrote:who wants to talk to me about how gamma's last post was the scummiest in the thread so far?still the same old MTD-
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aw c'mon, you can't just throw a "no your post is scummy" at me without explaining anything.
As I understood it, myko was mostly trying to convey that there are a lot of newer players in the game. So no, gamma's post is in no way the same type of post.
Also technically you wanted to tell myko how he is wrong, so you must have had another post you found scummier?still the same old MTD-
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*tilts head* yes i am an idiot, so kindly tell me what i am missing?In post 22, MariaR wrote:
*tilts head* is it that hard to understand?In post 21, MTD wrote:aw c'mon, you can't just throw a "no your post is scummy" at me without explaining anything.
As I understood it, myko was mostly trying to convey that there are a lot of newer players in the game. So no, gamma's post is in no way the same type of post.
Also technically you wanted to tell myko how he is wrong, so you must have had another post you found scummier?still the same old MTD-
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Sigh.
First: I do think ssbm is scum. My reasons do seem to differ from yours, which is probably why i didnt really remember to let you follow up your case.
Basically my reaction was "This is bullshit, he never said that, this isnt gonna lead anywhere", but i do see that it would have still lead to some reactions at least.
So yes, that was indeed a mistake from me.
What's also bullshit though is to call that whiteknighting. I was not defending him, i was trying to get you to ask better questions.
Now back to ssbm.
What you initially did was saying there needed to be wagons, which is good and all, but then followed it up with "everyone is null", essentially doing the opposite of getting wagons going.
Having wagons without cases or at least scumreads, leads nowhere, and that seems to be what you are pushing for.
Yes, the discussion we are having is helpful. No, that has nothing to do with simply joining wagons, these came about because someone actually had a scumread on you which they pushed.In post 89, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
As I explained above, players need to join wagons to get discussion going. The discussion we are having now is helpful to the town. Players can see how we interact with one another, and see how other players choose to interpret the words they read. I believe scumslips are when scum interpret things differently than town do, and these discussions lead to town being able to form reads on other players based on how they think.
What you did was saying "discussion is good" and then doing nothing that might help actually getting discussion going except when you had no other choice.
I still do think your 69 was you implying that gamma is town and then trying to backpedal, but yea, i guess you can find different explanations there.
No idea where you got the idea from that i thought i had misunderstood your post.still the same old MTD-
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Yes, you already said such wagons alone lead to discussions. Yes, that is also still nonsense.In post 100, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:"Having wagons without cases or at least scumreads, leads nowhere, and that seems to be what you are pushing for."
I think I've already said that such wagons lead to discussions. This is my objective in RVS. I said everyone is null because we were just barely getting out of RVS. The reason I say we were just barely getting out is because these were the first 2 wagons to form and they formed almost simultaneously out of people who interpreted Gamma's and Mykonian's posts differently.
A wagon without any backing of a scumread or case exerts no pressure at all, since town does not want to lynch randomly.
"What you did was saying "discussion is good" and then doing nothing that might help actually getting discussion going except when you had no other choice."
I firmly disagree with this. I never backed down from getting a discussion going.That was not the question.
I did not say you backed down from discussion (this falls under "you had no other choice" imo), i said you did nothing to get it going.
That was not the question. I said how i understood the post, and i still stand with that."No idea where you got the idea from that i thought i had misunderstood your post."
Your 76 says I implied Gamma was town in my 69. See my 89.
You claim i had changed my mind, where do you get that from?still the same old MTD-
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I'd argue that posting only meaningless things is much worse than not posting at all on average.In post 190, Joshz wrote:If the game goes towards scum reading me that's fine.
I agree with most of EP's post. I'd like to point out that I have more posts than you and I'm not a lurker, there's a difference between not posting at all and not posting your reads.still the same old MTD-
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You could start by explaining what makes this a beginner game.In post 198, Joshz wrote:Anyways, no reply if you're serious lol idk what to say to that
There were 3, now there are 2 accounts that did not have 2 or more finished games on site before this.
So even if you disregard possible alts and off-site experience, i dont really know where you get that from.still the same old MTD-
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Where do you take that from?In post 218, Joshz wrote:The fact it's in the subforum people are recommended to have their first games in ?_?
The place where people are recommended to have their first game(s) is the newbie queue.
Afaik there are no explicit recommendations as to what to do after that?still the same old MTD-
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Also i am afraid i will have to find someone whose read on transcend i can copy.
His playstyle so far annoys me greatly and i dont think i can be objective enough with that.
I mostly agree with myko on josh, although i think most of his current way of playing does come from other places' meta.still the same old MTD-
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Why is gerry scum in your eyes?In post 251, MariaR wrote:VOTE: Transcend
Scum claim part 2
got 2 mafia in gerry transcend this game is easy
Why do you still want to vote transcend over gerry right now?still the same old MTD-
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Do you still think it was one?In post 289, Gamma Emerald wrote:@Transcend: I didn't vote until I had actually put the thought into the events that transpired, determining it as a scumslip
If yes, why did you stop following up on that so quickly?
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Oh, i am loving the input.In post 311, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:@MTD, not really sure why you would ask people in general for their transcend read if you're just not going to listen but ok... also i can't tell if you're scumreading me or nullreading me and not the type who listens to nullread's reads?
Also I did say i had to find someone, not that i would sheep the first one that presented themselves.
I am reading you pretty null, slight lean scum, that still comes from rem's (1.5) posts, though.still the same old MTD-
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They were just very low effort.In post 321, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:why were rem's posts scummy?
Looking back, this might be kind of unfair actually, since illness and all that, i didnt really realize that as much back then :S.
So yea, after going over it again, pretty null.still the same old MTD-
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How would i read someones posts without trying to develop a read on them?In post 329, Transcend wrote:In post 325, MTD wrote:
They were just very low effort.In post 321, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:why were rem's posts scummy?
Looking back, this might be kind of unfair actually, since illness and all that, i didnt really realize that as much back then :S.
So yea, after going over it again, pretty null.
have u tried reading giga yet?
i think it's kinda shitty you're basing your read on a slot that wasn't dominant in the slot at all.
but i still think you're town
and you think it's shitty to use the only things you have from the slot that dont seem entirely null to you to base your read on? Why would it matter for that which player played the slot more?still the same old MTD-
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I think you are the person i most want a transcend read from, when you have time.In post 336, Road Kamelot wrote:Rly busy atm sorry guys, will read tomorrow
I can maybe answer some things if yall ask tho
This votecount im seeing is 10/10still the same old MTD-
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Yay, i got back into my account!
In post 468, Joshz wrote:
I read it. Doesn't change my opinion of you. Just makes the initial SvS more likely than TvS.In post 466, mykonian wrote:
I've gone with gamma town from the moment I voted RK, and even yesterday I've given you a good reason why he is likely town given the mindset he showed earlier (and how his later actions do not make sense had he been scum).In post 464, Joshz wrote:And your complete lack of reactive devaluation doesn't make any sense when you scum read gamma, even though now you're backtracking and telling Maria that gamma isn't scum?
You could actually read what I post.
VOTE: josh
misrepping myko and the going on as if nothing happened when he calls you out... just no. I'm willing to let a lot slide that can be explained with you coming from a different meta, but this is not such a thing.still the same old MTD-
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Oh I do know what reactive devaluation is. That has nothing to do with what i am talking about though.In post 482, Joshz wrote:Potato potato. I didn't misrep anyrhing, do you know what reactive devaluation is? And why is gamma allowed to get away with a master plan of seeing if I contribute? Of course I'll go on, what do you want me to do, stop playing and start getting into a pointless back and fourth with mykonian? Maria says my read post is bad for the reason it's bad and nobody comments on it? So many questions, the only real answer is I'm almost positive there's 1-2 scum in mykonian gamma and gerry, and you morons lynching me is a stupid mislynch that should not happen and you'll regret later but at least it'll teach me my place here or is that an ate that makes me obvious scum omg lynch me I scum slipped!!!
All I can say is you guys have weird methodologies, no clue why transcend is so sure I'm town but props
In your post you claim myko still had a scumread on gamma.
Myko points out that was not the case and asks you to actually read his posts.
You claim you did read them.
This leaves three options:
a) You read the posts and understood them, but decided to lie.
b) You read them and didnt understand them.
c) You lied about reading them.
None of those leaves you in particularly good light.still the same old MTD-
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I'm sorry that i didnt make it clear enough what timeframeIwas talking about.
You claim he was backtracking when he told mariaR that gamma was not scum, implying that he scumread gamma prior to that.
Myko pointed out that was not the case.
This does not matter wrt the problem though.still the same old MTD-
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please explain what that has to do with what i am talking about?In post 490, Joshz wrote:Pedit: it was sarcastic, because he said transcend backtracked for taking a vote off due to an ate even though his vote wasn't met with negative approval from others, kind of like he (or someone else) said I was "fencesitting" earlierstill the same old MTD-
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Ooooh ok.
Now let's just disregard for now that, if what you claim now is actually true, the ambiguity of your posting alone makes for terrible play.
Let's just assume that you did not really think myko was backtracking, and just said those things in reply to myko's oh so false claim transcend was doing that.
If that's the case i will need some more explanations though.
a) yes there was negative approval from myko.In post 490, Joshz wrote: Pedit: it was sarcastic, because he said transcend backtracked for taking a vote off due to an ate even though his vote wasn't met with negative approval from others
b) Is your argument for it not being backtracking really that there was an ate? that's all?
I'm probably just too dumb again, but what the hell does this have to do with the backtracking thing?In post 490, Joshz wrote: kind of like he (or someone else) said I was "fencesitting" earlierstill the same old MTD-
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I presumed you hadnt read up yet because with the posts i made so far your question does not really make sense at all.In post 514, gerryoat wrote:
Sure thing, friend. But, in the meantime, could you please answer?In post 512, MTD wrote:I'd be happy if you could try to bundle some of your thoughts into single posts i think.
In post 506, gerryoat wrote:MTD can you explain the scumread on him besides the argument things? I really don't see how causing arguments is scummy in itself as it can show partner or non partner reads.
I never based my read on him starting arguments, the one post now where i even mentioned those was in reply to people defending him.
I also never said he started arguments, i said that he tried to devolve the arguments i started into meaningless semantics.
So idk, maybe just read my posts next time?still the same old MTD-
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First of all, no, it does not imply he is scum for that. ("Also")
If it did however, it would be for doing what i said he did, being reducing the case to semantics.
Not however for what you claimed i said, being that he started arguments.
Sorry, I don't particularly like being misrepped?still the same old MTD-
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I on the other hand can't get over how bad the votes
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I dont think you are an idiot.In post 604, Road Kamelot wrote:
Why are you trusting me on transcend town but disagreeing w literally every other one of my reads????In post 601, MTD wrote:Ok, i'll trust rk on transcend town.
I believe myko is town.
i want to lynch ssbm or josh at the moment, but i have only skimmed nadroj so far, i'll get back to that later today
Again why are you trusting me when my myko vote is so badIn post 602, MTD wrote:I on the other hand can't get over how bad the votes
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very much looks like a scum driven wagon.
I disagree with almost all of your reads, yes, but that is likely to not always be the case throughout the game. I see no reason why your other reads should be reasons to distrust this one unless another one of your reads is directly conditional to your transcend read.
I didnt have the impression that was the case, but if it is, please tell me.still the same old MTD-
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you can find which roles are likely to appear here: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Gamestill the same old MTD-
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Ok I read throug jordan (not that there is much) and am very comfortable with lynching that at the moment.
After all this time he has still not given any actual reasoning on any of his reads, which hardly seems reasonable if you want to advance the game.
Then he says he doesnt post much because he doesnt want to fluff :T
I am still think the chances of josh scum are decent, but since his recent stuff was fine and it didnt look like that lynch was going to happen anyway,
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Ssbm is contributing.In post 766, Joshz wrote:Yea if we're lynching anyone who's not contributing much I'd much rather lynch Ssbm. The very fact jordan is being brought up and Ssbm isn't should attest to that. I keep saying this but jordan is exactly who scum would push, and I really do not want to lynch him today, so much so that i'd prefer almost any other wagon.
Like, jordan is nowhere even close to that level of contribution.
I still dont think ssbm is particularly towny but your line of argumentation here certainly doesnt make me think he's scum either.still the same old MTD-
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Explain your gamma vote.In post 786, Joshz wrote:The jordan wagon is awful zzzstill the same old MTD-
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Indeed.In post 844, kraska77 wrote:yo mtd get back on kyouko pls
I am happy about ssbm's last posts making this decision way easier.
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