I'm pretty sure the Strals are sock puppets. Not really sure what to do about that. If they're on different teams, they're unlikely to play to their win condition.
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Mod, I'm V/LA till Monday evening UK time I'm afraid.
I'm pretty sure the Strals are sock puppets. Not really sure what to do about that. If they're on different teams, they're unlikely to play to their win condition.
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Probably not going to be able catch up completely tonight, but here are some thoughts on the start of the game.
On page 2, Dunnstral manufactures a nothing wagon on Raskolnikov. Which is fine by me - I like an RVS wagon. It raises the stakes. People get a little nervous and you start to see where they stand. So I agree with Raskolnikov in post 35.
I also like this from Raskolnikov:
This would be a good moment to explain my sock puppets comment. Sock puppets are multiple accounts controlled by the same person. It's against site rules for one player to have two slots in a game. Here's what I said to the game and list mods during the sign-up phase:
Neither replied. Now I'm starting to wonder whether Dunnstral is a legitimate player and Zachstralkita is trolling him. That appears to be what they both imply in answer to Raskolnikov. Dunnstral, is that how you would characterise the situation?Hi N and Creature,
Zachstralkita and Dunnstral signed up for the game at the same time, with the same message. They have the same join date, and Zachstralkita's topics list is a subset of Dunnstral's. Do you think they're sock puppets?
Tommy
Page 3: liking Dunnstral, disliking Blue Yoshi, can't read Zach.
Page 4: I agree with Dunnstral that Zachstralkita's switch to Raskolnikov is scummy, and that drmyshottyizsik joining the wagon was fine. Don't like Dunnstral lying about having reasons for voting Raskolnikov.
Page 5: Jar JarDrinks has a good case on Raskolnikov at 109 and 113. Trivium gives no reason for jumping on the Raskolnikov wagon.
On page 6, this one is fishy:
Trivium's vote at 146 is OMGUS and nothing else.In post 130, Zachstralkita wrote:that wasnt a scum claim btw
Page 9: inspectorscout shouldn't be hunting for power roles, but I don't think it's a scum tell.
What is this 'yet'?In post 203, Dunnstral wrote:pointing out drmy here is good too (though I don't quite agree with them being scum yet)
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Don't like that, but I'm town-reading you overall.In post 359, Dunnstral wrote:Don't agree with them being scum based on what was provided, but could see it with more information
Why?
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And I thought that was slightly off. But let's not make a big deal of it: overall you look town.In post 383, Dunnstral wrote:And?-
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Still catching up:
I had about twenty minutes to skim the thread. I was so sure at that point that Dunn and Zach were the same person that I pretty much skipped their interactions. 'This guy's filling up pages arguing with himself,' I thought. I probably shouldn't have tried to vote. I was sort of thinking that an uninformed vote is better than none.In post 216, Transcend wrote:I literally cannot tell if Tommy's vote was RVS and he hasn't read the game at all or if he has read the game and acknowledged the Dunn-Zach interactions because that was the most ridiculous reason I've seen someone getting voted for in pretty much my entire life.-
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Not ready yet. Still got seven pages to catch up. And now three more pages since I last posted. You guys are chatty.In post 393, Transcend wrote:K nice, stop commenting on useless shit and put your vote somewhere, perhaps, on JarJar.
I do not dig this.In post 412, drmyshottyizsik wrote:I prefer sitting back a tad and observing the machine on a sociological plane. I'll get there. So far I don't have any super strong scum reads, and I don't want to get in the way of them developing.
I do not dig this either. Both of you are playing like scum. Give me some content or die.
nnn_thekushmountains's defence of Jar JarDrinks is weak.
All right, now for a bit more catch-up.
This is good. So is Zach's reads list at 244. On the other hand, inspectorscout's reads list at 301 is evasive.In post 242, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
why did you feel the need to even point that out?In post 130, Zachstralkita wrote:that wasnt a scum claim btw i just hate those if ur x then y posts-
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I think this is the kind of 'Aargh I'm going round and round' thought process that's hard for a newbie to fake as scum.In post 346, inspectorscout wrote:And even by saying this, i fucked myself because scum now knows my line of thoughts, too, so they can adapt to what i said.-
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Happy with the drmyshottyizsik wagon.
VOTE: drmyshottyizsik
My main problem with him is that he campaigns against information. He's not only unwilling to produce reads, but he encourages other players to hide theirs too. Maybe bacde is his buddy: between them they're trying to create a game-wide culture of secrecy that can only be good for scum.
The Dunnstral 'pressure' vote was pointless and he did nothing to attempt to create pressure apart from the vote itself. The tactic of casting nothing-votes fits in with the refusal to give reads - it reduces the information that the town has access to. His current vote is the same - he gives no reason except for this vague word 'pressure'.-
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While things are quite, here are my thoughts on nnn_thekushmountains. He doesn't scum-hunt: he refuses to read the thread, and asks the world in general for suggestions as to what he should do. He's attempting to coast through the game, which I think is behaviour you see in scum more often than in town. Two insubstantial town reads are the total of his content so far. Would lynch.-
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Sure:In post 649, Trivium wrote:Can you point me to where he encourages others to hide reads?
Not only is he encouraging people to withhold their reads, he's also discouraging people from asking each other for their reads.In post 539, drmyshottyizsik wrote:See alpaca I disagree, I think day one scum have much more to gain by knowing where everyone stands. After n1 and observable actions have been performed, then info comes in. Right now we have to solve a riddle with out knowing the specifics of riddle the answer or having any clue. So, unless you are trying to screw up the people solving the riddle why do you need to know early on who think what about the answerless, questionless and clue less puzzle. Day two is when people start to solve things, based off of day one. In other words day one I greatly prefer to have everyone go at it and have high powered wagons. Sometimes good information comes from this day 1 and we could get lucky and catch scum. However, statistically town is usually lynched day one and it is based on day one that we will have a place to start day 2.
Anyway, I guess it's a bit academic now.
Can you quote the bits you're interested in?In post 678, Trivium wrote:Quick what do you guys think about the scout/shotty thing?-
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Kush is extremely at fault. Kush, did you read this?
Did you disagree with it? Can you take us through the chain of thought that led you to quickhammer?In post 654, JarJarDrinks wrote:wait for him to post before u do anything.-
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Are you saying Kush gets a pass because he may not have known Shotty was at L-1?In post 697, Transcend wrote:If nnn gets lynched, it won't be because he quickhammered. That's NAI imo. Legitimately ONE PLAYER IN THIS GAME qh'd me because he didn't know I was at L-1.
I don't have a read on Lowell yet.Hi can I have feedback on my vote please.
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I will answer that after Kush has come back and explained why he hammered when he did.In post 705, Transcend wrote:Explain to me, why you think that nnn's hammer is indicative of him being mafia and that it isn't just you being super opportunistic on easy town lynch.
I actually haven't yet said that. But I'll say now that the hammer was scummy.In post 706, Transcend wrote:Tommy is literally saying nnn is scum for hammering a slot he voted.
Dude, I just ISOd myself and I think it must have been someone else who said that.In post 725, Transcend wrote:I don't like that he said I was town because I called Alpaca out on his "junk posts".
Bacde, can you give some reasons for your JarJarDrinks vote please.
In post 670, inspectorscout wrote:There are 3 scum ppl, even if he is scum, rushing a kill on him isnt needed at all
This is a really good spot.In post 741, Zachstralkita wrote: That line is pretty fucking awful for reasons I don't need to explain.
I don't accept that.In post 741, Zachstralkita wrote:if you're town I shouldn't really have a case as to why we should kill you
I don't accept that either. It's part of my job as town to refute cases against me. I can't do that if you vote without reasoning. So I ask you again: why did you vote me? Transcend has also asked you this, and you ignored the question from him too.- and you shouldn't want it
Haha, yeah I can think of a good reason. I think this was a genuine townslip. Scout, you should unvote.In post 744, Trivium wrote:The only person in this game that I would be completely against lynching at really any point is Dunn, and I'm sure we can all agree as to why.-
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The fault wasn't that Kush voted for Shotty - Shotty was playing like scum. The fault was that he hammered before we got a claim.In post 760, Transcend wrote:I just don't like his word choice by saying that he was "at fault" for lynching the same slot he did.-
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Can you give examples?In post 768, Zachstralkita wrote:@Tommy I really just think you try to portray yourself as appearing town a significant amount.
Yeah. Raskolnikov is mainly concerned about my place on yesterday's wagon, which is valid. Transcend's case now rests on my attitude to Kush's hammer. On that, I'm holding my peace until we hear from Kush.That being said, your reaction was fine. There are other people voting you besides me, though.
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Well it was D1. I didn't have much on anyone.In post 782, Zachstralkita wrote: yea when you linked to it in another post i was expecting some ace attorney phoenix wright shit but NOPE-
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Scum would know who they killed.In post 791, Zachstralkita wrote:I'd like to put forth the question why is not knowing who died considered a slip?
Whoops. I got you confused with Trivium:In post 792, Raskolnikov wrote:773 assigning reasoning to my naked vote is humorous, it also potentially shows hes not paying attention to me (iow trying to read me) but mainly it was funny reading.
In post 715, Trivium wrote:Tommy and Lowell are both on pretty scummy places on the mislynch wagon, I town-read Lowell and besides he's VLA so Tommy is something I can get behind.
Hmm. I had an hour on Saturday morning, and I was quite pleased with my progress there: I got a solid townread on Trivium. I know you're not so convinced about the slip, so I guess that holds less weight for you. Since then, I've only really had time to check in quickly and react to what others are saying. If I'd had longer, I probably would have done a profile on Transcend or Lowell. When you're under attack, there's always less time for analysis. But with several players yet to post in day 2, I think it's a bit early to vote someone because "do something". As I've said, I think our first order of the day is to analyse the hammer, and I reckon it's somewhat previous to vote before we've done that.Raskolnikov wrote:What I really don't like is that he plays like a wuss and hasn't voted since d1, most of his energy is used defensively but I don't feel like he's trying too hard to read the people he's talking to either. His logic is fine and I can't point out specific scummy posts but I don't see town-impetus/drive or anything to townread. Finds kush at fault (not an unreasonable thing to wagon someone for!); doesn't push or vote there, waiting for kush to get back but cmon do something! Most people would complain at kush not coming, be annoyed at their lack of productivity in this situation, probably push a secondary scumread in the meanwhile or just do something other than answer questions and appear completely unfazed.-
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Then I think we're on the same page. It wasn't a scum slip; it was a town slip.In post 795, Zachstralkita wrote:I know that thats why Trivium probtown-
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I'll have something to say about Transcend, but that's bound up in the hammer, so it'll have to wait too. Shouldn't be too much longer - I think we're getting near prod time for the players who haven't appeared. I find it hard to believe Scout is for real about Trivium, but I think it's most likely just because he's tunnelling.In post 797, Raskolnikov wrote:You don't scumread any of the actives then?
Confirmation bias!Ugh and why does it feel like you're appeasing me here.
If I'd known at the time that you'd voted without posting a reason, I would have pushed you for one. But I think it's often justified to say, 'I don't have a steer right now, so I'm sheeping this player I respect'. Town should act like a town, not a rabble of individualists.I admitted to blind voting you as sheeping earlier and scumread you now from mostly gut and you don't have any problem with that?
Right now I'm getting fairly pro-town vibes off you.Nothing you want to point out about it, nothing you want to ask? Like just assuming I'm wrong/misunderstood as opposed to malicious probably shouldn't happen if you're town unless you're really confident with your read on me.-
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Kush, when you hammered, had you read this exchange?
In post 654, JarJarDrinks wrote:
wait for him to post before u do anything.In post 650, Trivium wrote:Intent to hammer if jarjar doesn't for some reason, or if someone backs off.In post 655, Trivium wrote:Yeah, of course jarjar. I'm so patient. Dunn knows just how patient I am.-
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I have a problem with this:In post 823, Transcend wrote:I'm here bud what do you wanna say about me.
In post 703, Tommy wrote:Are you saying Kush gets a pass because he may not have known Shotty was at L-1?
It's very clear that Kush knew. Trivium had been talking about his intent to hammer; Zach had said he was at L-1; a minute after the hammer Kush said he'd forgotten about claims. If he'd thought it wasn't a hammer, he wouldn't be talking about claims, he'd be saying 'That was a HAMMER?'In post 704, Transcend wrote:Sure, I'm willing to give him BOTD.
So I don't think there's any doubt to give him the benefit of, and you trying to do so makes me uneasy about you. As does your attempt to stifle my investigation of the hammer and your gradual shift towards saying you'd merely 'misinterpreted' me after others criticised your stance.
The part that I have a hard time accepting is that he claims to believe Trivium deliberately faked the townslip.In post 823, Transcend wrote:And it's very evident that Scout is real about Triviium. He genuinely thinks that he contradicted himself.
JarJar, can you please pull your points against Scout together into one handy guide, with quotes?
Well, not a very long-lasting town card, right? I mean it vanishes as soon as Shotty flips.In post 830, inspectorscout wrote:
[snip]In post 662, Trivium wrote:I swear if shotty is mafia inspector is mafia too.
well its basically buying a town card, no?
This is too WIFOM to be useful.In post 832, JarJarDrinks wrote:I guess Dunn being NKed kinda points to a town scout. Like why kill a person w/ influence that will likely try to keep him out of the noose?
There's no need to appeal to policy to lynch a lurker: lurking is scummy. But I'm willing to give Lowell a chance to contribute now that he's back from his second honeymoon.In post 833, JarJarDrinks wrote:fwiw I'd compromise on a Lowell policy lynch if he doesn't give us something aside from prod-dodges.
Going to wait a bit longer for Kush to reply to my latest question. But if each round of questioning takes two days, this is going to be untenable. Kush's lurking is scummier than Lowell's.-
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Okay, he's had 24 hours to answer my latest question: enough waiting. Here's my take on the day 1 hammer.
First, let's look at what would have happened if Kush had waited for Shotty to claim. After the claim, I would have unvoted, and I'm sure others would too - you don't lynch claimed town power on day 1. With the pressure off, Shotty would probably have started playing to his win condition again and put his vote somewhere more useful. Maybe we would then have lynched the rival wagon; more likely we would have ended up with someone else entirely in the week of play we had left for that day phase. So I don't buy this:
This is often true of a normal wagon, but it wasn't true here because of the self-vote. If Kush wanted to nail a townie, it was now or never.In post 772, Zachstralkita wrote:Um, but were he scum, he would have died anyway regardless and I doubt his perogative would be to give US information.
Immediately after the hammer, he claimed he'd forgotten about claims. I think this was a lie. Kush posted three times during the three hours leading up to his hammer, so he was following the discussion. Several people were explicit during that period about the need to wait for a claim before hammering.
Since then, he's laid as low as he possibly can without actually getting replaced.
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I'm happy with this summary. How did I misrepresent it? I think it shows that Kush was reading the conversation.In post 919, JarJarDrinks wrote:And technically what he stated was true. Except it misrepresents what happened.
hour 1 - No one discusses claims, Kush makes posts
hour 2 - No one discusses claims, Kush has no posts
hour 3 - People discuss claims, kush hammers
Except the hammer, obviously.I did check that Kush had ZERO posts after claiming was mentioned.
I'm trying to piece together the case on JarJar.
Bacde didn't like JarJar's entrance and thought his Scout vote was opportunistic. He also appears to feel JarJar is misrepresenting him over whether he has reasons for his town read on Scout. I think he has something there.
Scout too feels he's been misrepresented by JarJar:
I'm more inclined to side with JarJar on this one. I've just been through the posts that Scout lists, and almost every opinion is hedged with 'or maybe not' - except for the null reads, which are thrust forth with great confidence...In post 342, inspectorscout wrote:jarjar conveniently jumped too because ''his iso is fluffy there arent opinions'' while i can give you a list of my stuff with opinions like 168,188,226,243,249,296 and the seemingly infamous 301.
Scout also reckons JarJar puts too much wait on the 'if X then Y' thing, which is absolutely right. I could not be more bored of that debate.
Lowell's JarJar suspicions start with a gut read and an inclination to sheep Bacde. Lowell also believes himself to be an 'easy target'. I would have thought that was more a point against Lowell than JarJar.
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When did I say that?In post 909, Transcend wrote:Tommy says that like his "push" on kush was because he wanted to get information from him and nothing more.-
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This is untrue. In 862, I said I didn't want to lynch Lowell yet; 938 has my thoughts on the JarJar wagon. A scout wagon I could maybe get behind, but I still think Kush is worse.In post 1014, Transcend wrote:Like there's been all sorts of other candidates for a lynch today i.e. Lowell, jar, scout and he's been neutral about all those just to pursue a shitty lynch on Kush.-
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This is good. And it's been interesting to watch him squirm around to find an answer to it.
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The lurking part of my case on Kush has become null now that he's actually flaked. He remains my top suspect, but it doesn't look good for getting others to join me before the replacement, so I'll give up for now.
Neither of the two current wagons is awful, and I'd also consider a Transcend lynch, but this is the best chance:
VOTE: inspectorscout
In his early reads list, all three scum reads were evasive and non-committal, but on day 1 I read him as town because of this:
On the other hand, I can't believe his position on Trivium's townslip is genuine:In post 517, Tommy wrote:
I think this is the kind of 'Aargh I'm going round and round' thought process that's hard for a newbie to fake as scum.In post 346, inspectorscout wrote:And even by saying this, i fucked myself because scum now knows my line of thoughts, too, so they can adapt to what i said.
This is the most damning, I think:In post 764, inspectorscout wrote:That thing about dunn might have been a genuine townslip, but after thinking a bit, it was just TOO obvious.
If you go through that list, almost every opinion is either a null read or is qualified with 'I dunno, I could be wrong'. He's trying to seem like he has an opinion while actually committing himself to as little as possible.In post 342, inspectorscout wrote:i can give you a list of my stuff with opinions like 168,188,226,243,249,296 and the seemingly infamous 301.
More recently, I really like JarJar's question about why scout saw himself as a more likely lynch than other people who had a single vote on them - especially given that scout's vote was from himself. I don't think scout has given a credible answer to that.-
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How do you know it was a junkvote if you didn't read it?In post 1131, Transcend wrote:I also want your opinion on Tommy since he just made a junkvote on you.-
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I forgive you. I deliberately took my vote off my biggest scum-read and stuck it on a wagon with momentum. That's what opportunistic scum would do. I also happen to think it was a pro-town play.In post 1148, Zachstralkita wrote:Forgive me, but I think your votes are sorta opportunistic.
Bold move! I applaud you. If Transcend is also scum, then the love fest is equally brazen. I kind of hope so, because it would be a spectacular set of moves to discuss after the game.In post 1173, Infinity 324 wrote:I legitimately thought I was replacing into a scum slot and was sad when my role pm said town
This doesn't follow, though:
You've just said you read Kush as scum. How then can my Kush vote look like an excuse to avoid engagement? And then this:tommy looks like scum to me. Vote on my slot looks like an excuse to avoid engagement
Can you give an example of a post that seems towny on the surface, but beneath the surface looks like an excuse to avoid engagement?so do his posts tbh. (Though his posts seem towny on the surface, this doesn't mean much)
Let's have another pop at this slot.
VOTE: Infinity
Bacde, fancy a bandwagon? AlpacaAlpaca, chance to vindicate yourself? JarJar, I assume you still want Scout dead more than Infinity's slot?
Ask me anything and I'll comment or explain as best I can. You're my top town-read, so I will be accommodating.In post 1206, Trivium wrote:And I don't like how Tommy seemed to be gone for most of these conversations, just slipping by at the most opportune points.-
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Hey scout.In post 1152, inspectorscout wrote:@tommy
What gives you the idea that the hammer was NAI? Did Transcend feed it to you? Did you check why Transcend said that? It was based on the idea that Kush maybe didn't know Shotty was at L-1. Kush definitely knew Shotty was at L-1 - he said so himself. So where does that get us with the NAI thing?kush is null since we saw absolutely nothing coming from him, except his hammer which was pretty much NAI.
Yeah, it was me. It was a summary of the notes I had on you.Thecase about me that came with a vote was already made before. Exactly that. Couldve been by you, im on phone so im not going to look through everything to find it.
Because my Kush bandwagon was looking a bit poor. It only had me on it, and he was getting replaced.Why use that now?-
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Just found this from Transcend:
It's a lie. Look:In post 863, Transcend wrote:by giving him botd i meant that he forgot about asking for claims. he acknowledged that he was at l-1.
In post 703, Tommy wrote:Are you saying Kush gets a pass because he may not have known Shotty was at L-1?In post 704, Transcend wrote:Sure, I'm willing to give him BOTD.-
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Yes it is. And 704 proves it's a lie.In post 1222, Zachstralkita wrote:Isn't that him explaining that when he said BOTD it was referring to the claim part, and not the L-1 part?
It wasn't for pressure. I was trying to kill him.In post 1223, Infinity 324 wrote:Also I disagree that it was pro-town cause scout was obviously feeling the pressure already
I am scum-hunting: my scum reads right now are you, inspectorscout, Transcend and AlpacaAlpaca; my town reads are Trivium and Zach. I am pushing for your lynch. Not getting anywhere, I'll give you that. But that kind of reassures me: it's harder to lynch scum than to lynch town.In post 1223, Infinity 324 wrote:You're not being proactive, you're not scumhunting, you're not pushing for lynches, you're just commenting on what you see and asking question which don't seem to be getting anywhere.
Talking of which, has anyone noticed how my 'opportunistic' push on Kush after he quick-hammered our bulletproof led to exactly no votes besides mine? Do we not think that if Kush was town, some other opportunistic types might have joined in?
Loving the 'forest' schtick. Dude, you should have just gone with a single, confident 'no'. The vanilla PM was in Creature's first post.-
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Well, he was pretty cagey about it.In post 1273, Zachstralkita wrote:Son of a bitch. I DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE THAT. Was hoping to catch dude slipping-
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What? That was MY really solid point! You're saying I've been making good posts recently but you totally haven't read them. This is wholly so you can wagon the guy who was your best buddy five minutes ago.In post 1282, Transcend wrote:I'm sorry infinity we can't be power town anymore. Zach made a solid point about your contradiction.
Okay, forget about scout and Alpaca for today. Either Transcend or Infinity will do. No one else will do.
I didn't. Now I'm glad it didn't happen because this is so much better.In post 1285, Infinity 324 wrote:
Don't you think it's a bit early for thatIn post 1265, Tommy wrote:It wasn't for pressure. I was trying to kill him.
I really don't get this thing you keep pushing. What does engagement look like? How is it different from what I'm doing right now?In post 1285, Infinity 324 wrote:It's easy to look town if you don't engage with people, that's why tommy is doing it-
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Yesterday's scum reads that I want to take another look at: Transcend, AlpacaAlpaca, InspectorScout. Planning to do some ISOs and vote count analysis. I should also check Rask's ISO and confirm JarJar's theory. Sorry for the cruft: I'm just putting this stuff here so I'll remember it.
I'll look at bacde as well. That slot's been under the radar for me.
Trivium, can you summarise the case against JarJar?-
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I believe you made a deliberate decision to post it.In post 1661, Zachstralkita wrote: Do you believe my surprise was fabricated?-
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AlpacaAlpaca and Scout: mainly for their equivocation if I remember right. Transcend: I think it was mostly his interaction with Infinity. Maybe that's affected by Infinity's flip though. I've got to look again.In post 1662, inspectorscout wrote: Hmm? Why would those three be worth ISO'ing? Did you take the rask thing into account?
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All wagons that reached L-2 or higher so far:
[7]-drmyshottyizsik, AlpacaAlpaca,Dunnstral,Tommy, Lowell,Raskolnikov,drmyshottyizsiknnn_thekushmountains
[3] JarJarDrinks - Bacde, Transcend, inspectorscout
[2] inspectorscout - JarJarDrinks, Zachstralkita
Not voting (1): Trivium
[3] Lowell - JarJarDrinks,, AlpacaAlpacaRaskolnikov
[4] JarJarDrinks - Bacde, Transcend, inspectorscout, Lowell
[2] inspectorscout - Zachstralkita, Trivium
Not voting (2):,Tommynnn_thekushmountains
[5] Lowell - JarJarDrinks,, AlpacaAlpaca, Trivium, ZachstralkitaRaskolnikov
[1]-nnn_thekushmountainsTommy
[2] AlpacaAlpaca - Lowell, Transcend
[1] JarJarDrinks - Bacde
[1] inspectorscout - inspectorscout
Not voting (1):nnn_thekushmountains
[1]- inspectorscoutTommy
[6]- Tommy, Zachstralkita, AlpacaAlpaca, Transcend, Trivium, JarJarDrinksInfinity 324
[3] AlpacaAlpaca - Lowell, Bacde,Raskolnikov
[1] Trivium - Infinity 324
Alpaca, Lowell and I don't look good in the first one. In the other three, either Alpaca is voting for Lowell or Lowell is voting for Alpaca. Never comes to a lynch. Alpaca posts while Lowell is at L-1 and doesn't unvote, but a quickhammer was unlikely at that point.-
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