Mini 1787: Peruvian Nightclub Mafia (Game End!)
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I don't care about Jaack rn he has
This entire game
Only scratched the surface with all of his reads and he continues to play like that
Ofc the NK points to you but HEY GUESS WHAT JACK SCUM CONTROL THE NK AND FRAMING EXISTS AND ZACH WAS OBV TOWN
ETC THE LIST GOES ON FOR HIS READS
HES BEEN OPPORTUNISTUC AND JUMPY THIS WHOLE GAME I SAID THIS
U DONT HAVE TOASK ME THIS NOW
NEVER
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COP
THE AMOUNT OF TIMES GODDAMMIT I HAVE BEEN IN THIS POSITION
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What do you mean?In post 1752, Tyler the Creator wrote:i just wish his N1 check lined up more-
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This is town right? I'm not crazy?In post 1646, toolenduso wrote:I....what?
It doesn't make sense for scumDunn to claim cop right now, because unless town had no investigatives it would mean he was signing his own death warrant. Because we've had a protective flip already, so town would start to question why Dunn wasn't being NK'd.
And it REALLY doesn't make sense for scumJake to CC, only to give an inno on Dunn.
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Yes JaackIn post 1761, Dunnstral wrote:
Who jaack?In post 1754, Bins wrote:HES BEEN OPPORTUNISTUC AND JUMPY THIS WHOLE GAME I SAID THIS
By the way you guys are really overestimating how much I cared about Zach tunneling me to the point where I'd night kill him. I just got out of a game with him where yes we were both town and he hardcore tunneled me day 2 until I claimed cop (heh)
Bins don't be mad AT ME listen my plan was perfect and I was 100% right on what was going on. I definitely didn't expect you to flip voyeur but at the bottom of the start of day 3 what you said there really threw me off and I actually reread your iso to make sure you weren't somehow cop pulling off some wifom
zzz
your plan was perfect until you forgot about what type of player Jake is
Jake had a death tunnel on you
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I'm not sure I think MOST SANE PEOPLE DONT FAKECLAIM COPIn post 1764, Dunnstral wrote:Here's the thing: even if there's a slight "ehh" going on in my claim it doesn't matter if I'm uncc'd. Especially since bins basically had an outburst day 2 and wouldn't doubt it at all. Well, she would with the voyeur result. But I trust she wouldn't have outted that once I had cleared jake (bins plz)-
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Is Jaack scumIn post 1770, Tyler the Creator wrote:are the wagons at their peaks on xy and desmond similar enough in constituency with unflipped ppl that it's more likely xy is also town or am i moonlogicing?
Is tool scum
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Ok I'll concede it wasn't a bad idea if you knew Jake had an investigative Inno on you and you didn't think GF existed
Actually it was pretty smart
But obviously that wasn't the case
So djjxjdkskskskwkwkskkskwkwksmcjdiejej!-
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It's mainly paranoia? Why should I not doubt my strongest townread a little?In post 1777, Dunnstral wrote:Why are you still on about tool...
If xy is town then Tool or Jaack has to be scum (hence why I asked about those two). Or Keyser. But I really like scumKeyser at this point.-
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Does this make Xy/Jaack team less likely?In post 1620, Jaack wrote:Normally I like VCA-ing mislynches, but the ridiculousness surrounding that slot makes me a bit hesitant to trust it too much in this case.
That being said, I'll do a bit.
Floof/zakk/desmond seemed to be the inevitable lynch for most of D2 - every time the wagon shifted to xyzzy, that wagon stalled, and I don't think there was ever really enough support for a dunn lynch. No one else had any significant wagon unless I'm forgetting something. This kind of leads me to believe that there was at least one scum off the wagon. The only three living players that meet this criteria are Tyler, Bins, and Keyser/Creature (who I now have an opportunity to welcome). I had a scum read on bins and still think she's a viable scum. Tyler I've been hard townreading most of this game, but that's a bit shaken now, mainly due to his aborting the wagon when it was at its weakest point (when zakk requested replacement). Looking back to D1, he was also the only person who went along with my plan to lynch Robert over now confscum HA. He did, however, give intent to lynch desmond at the end, although that was after desmond did stupid confusing things. Keyser was basically absent D2, so I don't think it's particular worthwhile to consider he actions regarding the mislynch.
As for the people on the lynch:
I'm pretty sure that Jake is town. I don't think that scum would have been so against a particular lynch all day only to hammer when someone else (Tyler) had already given intent. I mean, I already thought that Jake was town, but this sort of mentally confirms it.
I know I'm town.
Robert expressed interesting in hammering zakk after he (zakk) requested replacement. Jumped on the wagon after Tyler moved over to xyzzy. He hadn't really been scumreading zakk prior to zakk's replacement request. Overall: still have hangups about this slot.
There is no funniness involving tool's vote on zakk, at least none that I see. Town
xyzzy is still probably scum. Parks a vote on zakk fairly early on, but never really said all that much on any of the residents of that slot.
Dunn's strong lust for the f/z/d lynch for virtually all of D2 makes me pretty comfortable that he's town. I don't feel that scum under reasonable suspicion would push so hard on a weak slot's lynch.
So that leaves tool/jake/dunn as town
Mixed on Bins/Tyler/Creature/Robert
Xyzzy still probably scum
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Jake do you really think there's no chance Dunn is town or is this policy?
And I know my role is useless I've been saying this
the only thing I did is prove they're both not scum together-
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VOTE: creature
I targeted Robert because I knew either scum or town investigative would want to target him.
I targeted Dunn because I wanted to know if scum had a roleblocker (I thought Dunn was cop).-
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It doesn't clear me. I think I look pretty town now because of my claim + my synergy with both Macho and BG. Why do you think I'm cleared?In post 1866, toolenduso wrote:Doesn't her claim basically clear her?-
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I like a creature lynch more than a Jaack lynch because all I really get from Jaack is very un-hesitant bad logic. Which is opportunistic, but could come from town (ugh). The more I look at Keyser's posts the more believable a set-up bus looks.-
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In post 511, Bins wrote:very sad about my reads tho: ( i was gonna come in here townreading h_a
ya i was gonna say floof not noticing the claim is badeeeeee
urright
i have full intent to hammer
i suppose theres really no point in saying intent to hammer unless someone else has something left to say
pedit - ok
this is my crumb btw I forgot-
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I just wish Keyser had been there to actually say something other than "Ira's claim looked more towny" after all the shenanigans. I think scum could have easily seen that H_A was fucked and they needed to side with the BG CC (which is why I still have paranoia of tool).-
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To add to that point aboveIn post 616, Jaack wrote:It's not merely about misreading a role pm.
It's that he claimed never to have heard of his role despite understanding what it does and having confirmed it in pregame. (See 587)
That being said, let's try to work out what we should do.
So let's assume for a second that all three of ira, h_a, and Robert are telling the truth about their roles.
Robert would be little more than a named townie with only the macho modifier. Since doc is slightly better than bg, h_a would be slightly more useful than ira. So the "best" lynch in this scenario would be robert, and then have ira protect h_a and h_a protect someone aside from ira.
Assuming at least one is scum, then once again Robert is the best lynch, as it's highly doubtful that a macho townie with no night role exists in a game with just a lone doc/bg. If one of ira/h_a is scum, Robert almost certainly is as well.
I guess there is the possibility they are all scum pulling a ridiculous gambit, but that is infinitesimally unlikely and would become obvious by d3.
VOTE: robert2424
Most logical place to start.
This post is so condemning that Jaack scum would have to be horribly unaware of how much this post would fuck him over.-
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Really? My post randomly put first letter then last letter then first letter then last letter to spell my role?In post 1884, Jaack wrote:You just highlighted random letters. I mean, I believe your claim, but that's not a worthwhile crumb at all.-
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I said that around my crumb for a reason
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In post 1935, Creature wrote:Do you actually think Dunn and Jake are both cops?-
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JAACK KEYSER SCUMTEAM CONFIRMED WRAP IT UP BOYSIn post 1973, Creature wrote:Feeling pretty confident both scum are on Dunnstral/Jaack/Bins.
Can we lock the game already?-
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How am I still in OMGUS? Wait, how is what I'm doing OMGUS at all? I've been saying Keyser-scum since D2.
The reason I highlighted that post is because I feel Creature's Jaack read is super out of place. Not because of the read on me, lol.-
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No, I mean I've been suspecting it. The only reason I didn't push it was because KEYSER WASN'T IN THE GAME. Which is why I was piss-y about the D2 hammer. Make sense?In post 1993, Dunnstral wrote:Kidding but I wanted to hear the explanation
errIn post 1992, Bins wrote:I've been saying Keyser-scum since D2.
I mean you didn't really push it...
What are we waiting for right now? Robert's replacement?
Why is his Jaack read out of place? Because the reasoning of it looks terrible. And like you said, he's explained and talked about his read on you and I, but the Jaack read seems sort of thrown in there. To bus? A good possibility in my mind if Creature is scum.-
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What do you think of our good friend Jaack-oIn post 2001, xyzzy wrote:I like enough of what Keyser did while in this game to not feel strongly that Creature is scum, but I'm not a big fan of how Creature himself has played so far. I definitely am having a problem with seeing everyone as too town and not committing. I guess by process of elimination I'd have to go with Creature as the most scummy player at this point (I feel like Jake's claim probably makes him town). I think probably the most compelling piece of information for me here is that I feel like all of the people who are voting for Creature have valid reasons for doing so right now, whereas the votes on Dunnstral don't feel good to me at all. with that in mind I'm gonna
VOTE: Creature
And Tool-o-
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Is this vote really bad on xy if Creature is town? Tune in next time, folks!
Actually I'm not that comfortable with L-1 because Jake might hammer lol
UNVOTE:
let's just chill out a second
I want xy to answer these questions and Tool to you know do more stuff and not just say he's done a lot of stuff in the background-
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I still think creature is scum but I don't see why I would want someone who is just bitter to quickhammer
I want someone to actually think creature is scum to hammer him or at least have his partner flail around more before he decides to hop on the wagon-
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I feel the same way and it's how Tyler described it.
Jaack is so confident and bold it's unnerving and comes across as very town when I read it. But his logic is always very simple. Like "Hey, this night kill points to Dunn because Zach scumread Dunn." or "Guys Robert is scum" (after the whole shemalamading, etc. Other examples I have called out before.-
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I want to mention that the only reads I remember Zach being v. vocal on were Dunn/xy scum. He had like... two other reads that were loudly expressed? But he didn't really have any reads that were "This person is town town town." I really do feel like the Zach kill must of been mainly motivated by the fact that Zach was pretty town and was probably the most town out of everyone. Unless, you know, xy is scum.
Actually, I really want to look at the formation of the xy wagon and Desmond wagon more in depth. Maybe there is indication that Desmond was a counterwagon.-
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I mean Desmond being a counterwagon to xyzzy but I see now that I might be wrong on my timeline. I'm too tired it's like 3AM.In post 2016, Dunnstral wrote:In post 1432, toolenduso wrote:
(This might be confusing. I did scumread xyzzy but my main reason for voting them was to start a counterwagon)In post 1431, toolenduso wrote:Well, I did invent it just to have a counterwagon...-
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: |In post 2024, Tyler the Creator wrote:like there's only so many times you can try to spark a dialogue with someone before the "maybe they're just social inept" turns into "okay yea they're scum who literally is incapable of engaging you at all
ok i feel ya i really do-
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This is a joke right?In post 2108, Jake from State Farm wrote:
So scum is probably in tool/bins/TylerIn post 2107, Dunnstral wrote:So none of jaack, creature, xyzzy can be mafia solely because I'm pushing on them?
Right now it looks like you're starting to push on your other inno report but I'd expect as much
Jake cmon-
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i didn't switch my vote from ira cause it wasn't necessary i was too lazy to unvote iraIn post 2123, Jake from State Farm wrote:
They were? You had your vote in ira at the end of day 1, and you didn't seem to scum read ha. If anything he was in your null/unsure pile. Those are amazing readsIn post 2121, Bins wrote:and what do you mean my play has been underwhelming my reads so far have been pretty good dsadaskldjas kdjwqm
You have a ton of posts and I can't really remember any truly useful ones.
i clearly stated i thougth ira was 100% scum and an H_A lynch was the best outcome and i said i would hammer
i was right about both zakk/floof (not confidently as i should of been, because i think most ppl pushing his wagon were town) and Zach
so like
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i kno im hoping this is just cause tyler got impatient or something idk manIn post 2122, Dunnstral wrote:But tyler's voting jaack with me right now
fk
ok
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i dont want to say like
"why do creature and xy not post I NEED THEM TO POST" but honestly its the truth-
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cant read lurkers for shit man : |
because i never lurk as scum and i can never understand the motivation behind lurking as scum so its just so weird to me
the fact that xy comes in here and doesnt try to save face AT ALL and has barely addressed it has gotten to the point where i think he really does feel so awkward to talk about it because he doesnt want to give a reaction-
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