Mini 1700: Space Mafia (Game Over)

[GrayFoxxxx]

Grayfoxx axle said he was scum

Wow. Ok I'm going to catch up and post in next 12 hours (I hope)

[GrayFoxxxx]

I've read every post. In one sitting so take that for what it's worth.

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Don't like Red or Garm at first glance.

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Deas seams pretty town. I like Sland too, just not as much.

Instead of a big catchup post ask me anything and I will reply. I promise.

[GrayFoxxxx]

VOTE: Garmr

This guy seems to consistently misrep posts and reframe replies.

[GrayFoxxxx]

@Scorp,yolo,frag.

I will quote my top town and scum reads with analysis tonight.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Spoiler:

Frag, so do you think Blocky is scum or are you just wanting to see him slip as scum? It's been a bit unclear to me. No need to mention ongoing games and I probably won't be looking at your game history honestly since I find it confuses me rather than helps (others can get a lot from it though!) but feel free to mention anything you think is particularly relevant.

Glass, my suspicion of you based on the Victor vote isn't assuming that it's a DIE DIE DIE vote. It didn't make any sense to me as any kind of vote (except one where the reasoning is made up, but why even do that in that case as town?) and your thoughts on him really didn't seem like you were thinking about the post he made at all.

Also, guessing my other reasons for suspecting you is likely going to lead you no where. I don't think you're scum for saying you find SwordMaster town. As you say, it's a pretty safe position to have considering everyone is doing it! And I've already mentioned my unwillingness to talk about my opinion on Sword, so answering your questions is not a thing that's going to happen.

RedFF, if you're going to expect great things from me, you're going to be disappointed I'm pretty sure. I've been pretty clear on the fact that this paragon thing is something which I really don't deserve based on my play. If I had my way, it wouldn't affect things at all, but it does sadly.

damn this is pretty scummy tbh, seems like you're overcalculating

Also, you have admittedly pressured Glass into explaining himself. I currently think he's scum, but I see nothing wrong in the post he made. I sometime look at votes in the same way! So the whole thing of pressuring him into making that response and then attacking the response is pretty to me.

Sorry for bad formatting on mobile right now.

These posts really stood out as a town player, who isn't jumping to conclusions. The reads are explained logically, and there is active scum hunting as well.

More to come, having a busy weekend. Going to re ISO Gar and pick out a few things I didn't like.

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Don't like the fire wagon. I can understand what he means.

Why repeat the same things over and over?

Ok back to my ISOs.

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Frag, I've been in a few games where I was very arrogant town. For some reason people would rather have voted me for that, than actually scum hunt.
I agree that he isn't being as transparent as he could be, just don't leap before you look.

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Yes I see that you are, just giving my 2 cents.

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Guys I've had a lot going on last few days, quitting/getting new job. I will post my case on Garm tonight.

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Unless these votes are just for pressure, I don't get anyone voting me..

My slot hasn't provided ANY info but 4 cheap catchup reads.

What good would lynching me at this point do?

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@Frag

Guys I've had a lot going on last few days, quitting/getting new job. I will post my case on Garm tonight.

[GrayFoxxxx]

I would like to justify my original thoughts. Plus he is my vote right now.
I will also discuss two current candidates.

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@Sland,Scorp
Didn't know I would be losing my job when I replaced. Sorry to disappoint you.

Your 4 reasons for voting me are redundant as well. They are all just worded differently. Well 3 has nothing to do with me.

But to address your point(s)-
My posting has slowed down ALOT in the last few days. Be careful talking about ongoing games. I'm not going to touch on that anymore.

More tonight.

[GrayFoxxxx]

As long as you give us something substantial to look at tonight.

Yes sir

[GrayFoxxxx]

@Sland,Scorp
Didn't know I would be losing my job when I replaced. Sorry to disappoint you.

Your 4 reasons for voting me are redundant as well. They are all just worded differently. Well 3 has nothing to do with me.

But to address your point(s)-
My posting has slowed down ALOT in the last few days. Be careful talking about ongoing games. I'm not going to touch on that anymore.

More tonight.

Meant 2 here, not 3. Posting in next couple of hours

[GrayFoxxxx]

Ok guys my personal shit is cleared up for the next few days.
Anything I need to comment on in particular?

[GrayFoxxxx]

Ok guys my personal shit is cleared up for the next few days.
Anything I need to comment on in particular?

Why are you asking us what we want you to comment on rather than looking yourself? If you are town then it shouldn't be what we want that matters.

Why not? And why is it alignment indicative?

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@deas
It does matter what town thinks. I would like to cooperate, and asking others what they want me to discuss is a good strategy

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GrayFoxx I want your thoughts on DV, Firebringer and Fraggernaut.

DV is my highest town read. I elaborated in a previous post.

I'm really thinking fire is town. The confidence doesn't seem fake.

Frag is a wildcard, and I want to reread his interactions with sword. Those two deserve my attention right now.

As a side note I think the name typo was just that. A typo.
The names are similar, and I have made that mistake before.

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VOTE: grayfox

Like seriously it been two day phases and you can't even answer with all that time.

51,55,63,73,76.
A little in 59.
I stopped there.

I feel like you were misrepping/framing the convo in a way that wasn't townish, my scum read on you has lightened up since the begining of D1.

Now I know your will try to argue that you were doing no such thing. I can understand, and appreciate you doing so, but just know I'm not going to debate these posts. It's just my interpretation of what happened.

[GrayFoxxxx]

I actually like how GrayFox didn't cave and try to produce his own content after I attacked him for it.

710 says other wise

Care to explain?

[GrayFoxxxx]

I actually like how GrayFox didn't cave and try to produce his own content after I attacked him for it.

710 says other wise

Care to explain?

Easy deas point was you don't cave in to pressure you caved in there are you still going to pick and choose what you answer

Caved in? By answering a straight forward question?

I was asked specifically about those 3 players.

What was I initially resisting, before I "caved in"?

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I actually like how GrayFox didn't cave and try to produce his own content after I attacked him for it.

710 says other wise

Care to explain?

Easy deas point was you don't cave in to pressure you caved in there are you still going to pick and choose what you answer

Caved in? By answering a straight forward question?

I was asked specifically about those 3 players.

What was I initially resisting, before I "caved in"?

maybe read the game

Ok

[GrayFoxxxx]

Gray!

Would you like to vote Scorpious with me?

Not right now.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Why?

I find your answer very useless. You know I am going to follow up wanting a reason - You say you wish to cooperate yet this kind of answer is clearly not cooperating fully.

Cooperate with what? You didn't really give me anything to work with. Just your perspective, which I disagree with. I don't see Scorp as scum right now.

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Yeah, except I don't see anyone 'buying into it' so you are just writing words with no factual basis.

I asked by 'biggest scum read from D1 to vote you' because I want to see how Gray reacts and now explains his choice. This is called...

scumhunting.

Is it odd I read this part in my head, like Peter griffin said "roadhouse" In that one episode.

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Questionmark

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I really don't like it when players say 'right now' with reads.

What exactly do you disagree with about my perspective?

I don't think the reasons you put on your vote post are good enough for ME to vote him.

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I also find it incredibly untownlike to say you interpret something as X, X being scummy, yet are

not willing to debate it to discover if you are right or wrong or to just get a better understanding of the situation.

Very untownlike indeed.

You and Fro99er seem to love to rush people.
It's been 7 minutes since you initially asked me why. Now I'm unwilling to debate? Haha

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I really don't like it when players say 'right now' with reads.

What exactly do you disagree with about my perspective?

I don't think the reasons you put on your vote post are good enough for ME to vote him.

OK. I guess the next question is; why? you don't find my reasons to indicate scum? what exactly is it you disagree with?

You're pointing at 2 things Scorp did, calling it scum with no real reason, and now are asking me to argue against that with reasons. Yea sorry if it looks like I'm struggling.

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I also find it incredibly untownlike to say you interpret something as X, X being scummy, yet are

not willing to debate it to discover if you are right or wrong or to just get a better understanding of the situation.

Very untownlike indeed.

You and Fro99er seem to love to rush people.
It's been 7 minutes since you initially asked me why. Now I'm unwilling to debate? Haha

This is not related. You didn't click to what I was referring to.

I was following the conversation, and I even "debated".

My point is you are quick to assume the worst, as it hadn't even been 10 minutes before you say I'm unwilling to debate the topic at hand.

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There is a real reason. Do you think it is more or less likely than rand a player is scum who:
1. Has to ISO the leading wagon 2 days before a deadline to post their opinion on said player.
2. Has to ISO a player who has been a big part of the discussion during the day to have an opinion on them.

Do you think it is more or less likely than rand a player is scum who:
Asks a question which is clearly not thought out well and has no real scumhunting purpose.

I think it is very clear personally that both indicate scum.

You say neither is even a real reason. I expect you can explain why this is.

1.He wants to double check. Not scummy at all to me. Are ISO's only available to scum?
2.read above

Your third question seems loaded asf, and by answering it I am indirectly accusing scorp of doing two things that I don't think he did/is doing.

Again it's back to perspective. You

personally

think he is being scummy. I need to see something better than that.

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So, chop chop, back to you posting actual reasoning for your stance on Scorpious.

Wait we are talking about your reasoning, not my stance. But sure he is town lean.

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I lied I am back quicker than I said!

I just told you that you clearly don't understand what I was referring to with that quote.

but just know I'm not going to debate these posts. It's just my interpretation of what happened.

These are your words are they not?

You don't think it would be beneficial to actually figure out if your interpretation is correct or not by... debating?

Oh, I didn't know that we are suddenly talking about this.

It was D1 topic post. at this point the posts I referred to dont have any real weight to me anymore. I was following up on my promise to answer questions. And letting Garmr know I had no interest in fighting with him about it, because Im not invested in his scum read anymore.

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1.He wants to double check. Not scummy at all to me. Are ISO's only available to scum?
2.read above

When you say double check what you mean is 'he didn't have an opinion so went and ISO'ed responding to each post so that he had one' then responded. It's especially bad as it was the leading wagon at deadline whom any townie should have had a decent opinion on and not needed to ISO to post a response.

fair.. Let me do an ISO. I dont think there is much..

That does not read like 'Let me double check'.

What is your opinion on X Gray?
'Let me do an ISO'

Does that sound like you are double checking or that you don't really have one?

It seems very clear to me that all these factors mean that anyone doing this has a higher chance than random to flip scum. You apparently think otherwise.

Your third question seems loaded asf, and by answering it I am indirectly accusing scorp of doing two things that I don't think he did/is doing.

You found his question useful?

Ok we don't agree on what he meant.
Maybe the question was useful to him. Maybe not.

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Slandaar, GrayFoxx and Scorpious are town. The cases on them happened right after Fluggernaut and Firebringer were getting consensus scumreads.

Meh I don't get the connection.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Slandaar, GrayFoxx and Scorpious are town. The cases on them happened right after Fluggernaut and Firebringer were getting consensus scumreads.

Meh I don't get the connection.

At the time of the "case" against Scorpious by DeasVail, Fluggernaut was flailing continuing to try and play semantics (and wow he's lurking now). Firebringer was catching heat for his terrible vote on me ("waiting for confirmation" and then suddenly voting me).

Slandaar was going to town on them.

You were suspicious of them.

DeasVail comes in and attacks Scorpious for no reason. They start to lurk.

They are trying to lurk out the wagons on them.

I wasn't suspicious of either of them. Ive been white knighting Firebringer for like half my posts.

That aside, even if everything else is true, I don't see how my wagon is related to them being scum.

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Ok we don't agree on what he meant.
Maybe the question was useful to him. Maybe not.

Double Checking before posting your opinion is actually scummy in itself as it is a cautious/careful thing. You disagree?

Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't, do

you

think it was useful?

Yes I disagree.
No not useful to me, but I don't expect everything everyone does to relate to me.

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Just ISO'd scorp. His questions haven't been very aggressive. Aside from that can anyone else show me something scummy about him?

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Yes I disagree.
No not useful to me, but I don't expect everything everyone does to relate to me.

Of course you disagree. What exactly do you think makes someone scum?

Do you think it was useful to him?

Now youre getting it. Or you always have and are just being repetitive.

A few things could make someone scum. Mostly bad lines of logic, and contextual interactions with others can reveal them to the town.

All of this can be observed. No "gut feelings", or "meta", or, "I dont like his attitude",that can be used instead of actual evidence.

Do I think it was useful to him? Maybe. Maybe not.

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A few things could make someone scum. Mostly bad lines of logic,

Nope.

In life everyone has bad ideas from time to time it does not mean they had an ulterior motive for it. Some peoples logic is better than others it doesn't mean the ones with worse logic are planning a killing spree.

and contextual interactions with others can reveal them to the town.

That actually sounds very good! Can you please show me some of these contextual interactions which reveal scum to the town please?

All of this can be observed. No "gut feelings", or "meta", or, "I dont like his attitude",that can be used instead of actual evidence.

Do I think it was useful to him? Maybe. Maybe not.

Maybe, Maybe not again eh? Maybe you should think about it and have an actual opinion.

Was there a reason other than to get a lynch through?

What kind of answer will help Scorpious read the player? Obviously as town that was the motivation and as scum you won't get another answer as it's a fine reason... seems like a pointless question eh?

Scum usually uses faulty logic. Not a dead give away, buts it's a good indicator.

Your second question, well it's alot easier to evaluate something in hindsight, rather than while you are actually in the moment. ask me this after more time has passed, unless you have something in particular you need me to comment on.

Again, and again, I disagree with your view on him being scum because of 1 question.

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@fits

Yes, deas

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Have a soft mouth and quick hands

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I see you still have done a total of 0 scumhunting Gray. Good to know you are still around though.

When I have 1 scumhunting you will be the first to know.

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As for Gray. Why is it strange? In a world where Doctor/Victor or yourself are scum, you could NK Gray in the night & claim the town credit & ride it to the end. You could WIFOM it that you were simply fishing for a interaction, when Gray flips town (If that's the case) & nullify your scum read on him.

I don't know about this. It's a real stretch. It's not like they have me as hard town. (That I'm aware of)

[GrayFoxxxx]

Hello people. Ill start reading here pretty quick but does any one have a good place to start so I dont have to go through pages of useless bullshit?

Well scorp is a kind of a big deal right now

[GrayFoxxxx]

Hello people. Ill start reading here pretty quick but does any one have a good place to start so I dont have to go through pages of useless bullshit?

Well scorp is a kind of a big deal right now

oh shit you are here....well I guess Ill start tunneling you then

I get this reference.

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What towncred is there when I ask Gray to vote Scorpious? he votes Scorpious, Scorpious is lynched and? I get towncred?

I have to second this

[GrayFoxxxx]

Ok scorp wtf? I'm willing to vote scorp but need to hear from him.

[GrayFoxxxx]

^ what do you need to hear beyond what was in his claim post?

More. Maybe a reply to Slandaar included.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Oh well it was fun.. Wincon baby!! Goodnight Slandaar ..

What? Meh I'll do it Doc.

VOTE: scorp

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and contextual interactions with others can reveal them to the town.

That actually sounds very good! Can you please show me some of these contextual interactions which reveal scum to the town please?

Also people who say really clever sounding things but don't provide flip scum a lot.

Gray has not provided.

Shit I knew I should have tunneled scorp all of day 1.

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Posting tommorow

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Ok I'm here guys.

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@grayfoxx what is your stance for a fitz lynch?

I'll go with it. Honestly been super lazy this game. Good for my meta atleast.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Shoot me if you want. Not a good choice, I would add.

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^Yes, I always type out my inner thoughts as scum. And sarcasm isn't real.

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Grayfoxxxx...go ahead and hammer. You can't look any worse that you already do.

ffs

Ok sure, but if you flip scum this quote looks kinda like you are trying to "coach" me, like I'm your partner.

Fragg needs to be lynched too.

VOTE: havingfitz

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Ok sure, but if you flip scum this quote looks kinda like you are trying to "coach" me, like I'm your partner.

You might not to get to answer until the next day, but want to get this out there in case I'm killed. Why does this bother you, and why the need to say it before fitz even flips?

I suspect that Fitz's post does mean town, but if he's scum I'll have pretty serious concerns about this. Still would like the question answered at some point in any case.

Not a bother, just a fact that Im jumping on before scum can twist it.

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VOTE: fragg

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@grayfoxx

Why are you voting straight of the bat in miss lynch and lose situation?

Are the two events correlated?

[GrayFoxxxx]

Also let me say I'm ok with a Garmr lynch.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Gg

[GrayFoxxxx]

It was fun pulling the strings to this show .

Lol

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I knew DV was scum.

This one tricked the shit out of me