Mini 1700: Space Mafia (Game Over)

[havingfitz]

How can a watcher see two visits? I dont buy that,and if you do. I got some beachfront property in the Midwest to sell you..

How would a watcher only see one visit? It's what the role does.

[DeasVail]

Oh cool. Maybe this Scorpious lynch can actually happen now!

A wagon stalling is not going to stop me from wanting a lynch on who I think is scum.

Are you willing to support another candidate to secure a lynch?

Uh not really, sorry.

@Deasvail....Fitz can wait for what?  Do you have something?

You can wait to be lynched!

VOTE: Slandaar

So you think scum have a watcher?

Where is he saying that he thinks scum have a watcher?

[Doctor Vahlen]

Mod: Assuming that scum target Adam to die, Adam's protected by a bodyguard, who does the scum show as targeting to a watcher? The person they intended to kill or the person they did kill?

[Doctor Vahlen]

Post Post #1002 (ISO) » Mon Aug 17, 2015 7:36 pm

Mod: Assuming that scum target Adam to die, Adam's protected by a bodyguard, who does the scum show as targeting to a watcher? The person they intended to kill or the person they did kill?

[havingfitz]

Where is he saying that he thinks scum have a watcher?

Well....he's voting Slandaar so he thinks Slandaar is scum. And Slandaar says he saw two people visit someone. Understand now?

[havingfitz]

The watcher would see all who visited the watchee. What other role would possibly fit that result?

[DeasVail]

Oh for some reason I didn't think about the fact that Slandaar's role as watcher (or at the very least tracker) would be confirmed from Scorpious-town's PoV. My mistake.

[1baldeagle1]

Vote Count 2.2

Scorpious (5) - Slandaar, DeasVail, Garmr, Firebringer, havingfitz
Firebringer (1) - Doctor Vahlen
Doctor Vahlen (1) - Fraggernaut
Fraggernaut (1) - VictorDeAngelo
Slandaar (1) - Scorpious

Not Voting (2) - spicer1209, GrayFoxxxx
With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Day 2 ends on 8/22/15 at 11:00 PM EST or in (expired on 2015-08-22 23:00:00)

Mod Notes:

Fun Fact: Neutron star forms after the gravitation collapse of a star, after a supernova. It is extremely dense and small. It has a radius of only 7 miles, and it can have the mass of about twice that of the Sun.

[1baldeagle1]

Post Post #1002 (ISO) » Mon Aug 17, 2015 7:36 pm

Mod: Assuming that scum target Adam to die, Adam's protected by a bodyguard, who does the scum show as targeting to a watcher? The person they intended to kill or the person they did kill?

A Watcher sees whoever targeted the same person as them. If the watcher is watching Adam, they would see both the scum and the bodyguard.

[Doctor Vahlen]

Intent to hammer.

[Scorpious]

Oh well it was fun.. Wincon baby!! Goodnight Slandaar ..

[GrayFoxxxx]

Oh well it was fun.. Wincon baby!! Goodnight Slandaar ..

What? Meh I'll do it Doc.

VOTE: scorp

[Firebringer]

And then the game goes quiet while we wait for him to flip scum.

[Slandaar]

Obviously if Scorpious isn't a RB, Fragger starts looking like a good lynch tomorrow as his non-death is unexplained.

[Slandaar]

VOTE: Slandaar

So you think scum have a watcher?

I hadn't claimed at the point he voted so your post is misleading Fitz.

[Firebringer]

the wait is killing me.

[DeasVail]

VOTE: Slandaar

So you think scum have a watcher?

I hadn't claimed at the point he voted so your post is misleading Fitz.

oh I knew there was a reason why I asked my question

[Firebringer]

Mafia I request NK on me if scorp doesn't flip Mafia.

If he dies flip mafia...I guess you can still kill me lol

[Garmr]

That's why you were a bit different than my previous experiences with you (i think you always been vanilla townie):P

[Fraggernaut]

Obviously if Scorpious isn't a RB, Fragger starts looking like a good lynch tomorrow as his non-death is unexplained.

Which is why scum will leave me alive for d3 now you donkey. If Scorpious flips town then we need to look at Slandaar. Why does he instantly assume I will be alive tomorrow unless he was the scum & has control over the NK? What if I'm potentially a role? Something you've never even considered?

[Slandaar]

That is a terrible post Fragger. Absolutely terrible. Scum obviously leave you alive because I am a claimed PR, Vahlen is a claimed PR and Scorpious who is going to flip scum confirms us both as town.

I hope you are scum. I really do.

[Slandaar]

You can still respond to everything I have asked you to before the day ends too. I know you keep trying hard to avoid it.

Everyone should look back at the days posting with the wagons being natural there is lots of information.

Gray is scum because he panicked when he saw the Scorp wagon growing, delayed his read and lurked out the day. I can't be bothered explaining but the delay of his town - if you look he doesn't post it for a while until after he posts what

looks

like a decent defence. He never explained it and was very unco-operative during that whole interaction. Note the word looks, it wasn't actually a good defence and so he gets into an argument where he just replies maybe maybe not a lot (not giving an opinion).

Fitz is scum.

Mod-game-result
MattP-1379-me scum...you town cop killed N1.
AP-Mini 1401-me town killed N1...you scum.
Mehdi2277-Mini 1412-me town killed N2...you town killed N1.
Venmar-Gears of War-me town killed N3, you scum lynched D2.
ArcAngel-Open 505-me town vig killed N1, you ?
CPT Corporal-Mini 1587-me scum...you town killed N1.
Iknal-Mini 1682-me scum...you town killed N1.

All Sland town games:
1379 - Slandaar votes scum all D1. Dies N1.
Mini 1412 - Slandaar votes scum all D1. Dies N1.
Open 505 - Slandaar gets it slightly wrong D1 partly due to scum claiming a PR in an open. Lynches scum D2 and D3 (game ends there after PR claim dies N1 and N2).
1587 - Slandaar posts no reads as an RVS quickhammer happened. Dies N1. Tracks scum N1.
1682 - Actually ongoing. I won't comment but people can view it if they want.

The scum games obviously don't matter for this.

Summary: Fitz should listen to Slandaar if he thinks Slandaar is town. This is why Fitz failing to vote Scorpious is so bad. Combined with the Paragon who Fitz thinks is town and should consider the opinion of too and yeah it's obvious. Fitz failed to take in all the information he should have as town to make his vote.

[Slandaar]

and contextual interactions with others can reveal them to the town.

That actually sounds very good! Can you please show me some of these contextual interactions which reveal scum to the town please?

Also people who say really clever sounding things but don't provide flip scum a lot.

Gray has not provided.

[havingfitz]

Slandaar...

1) your whole I should have listened to people I think are town philosophy and voted Scorp from the start doesn't hold a lot of weight with me early in games.  Maybe late in games but not early when I could very well be reading someone wrong.  I.e. it might be how you role but it's not how I do.

2) town gets it wrong.  While I am leaning town on you and Deasvail it doesn't mean your reads are right.  The fact you are both looking at me as scum proves that.

3) while this wasn't a factor in my Firebringer vote....the fact I have town reads on Victor and Doctor equaled your point about following you and DV.  Both wagons had 2 players I'm reading favorably on them.  I went with my top suspect which looks like I will be reconsidering based on Scorp's twilight comments.

So don't pat yourself on the back too hard.  You haven't solved the game yet.

[Slandaar]

The point is about proficiency not about quantity. Good try though.