I dislike how Skruffs clearly wrote that Sleep = Mafia and Work=Town in the rules and Nai is still pushing that it doesn't directly say that Sleep can night talk. He then says that in Normal games things don't change all that much(which is true) and that it is highly probable that Sleep is normal mafia. So, when you think that,they are normal mafia and Skruffs writes that they are normal mafia then it's not normal mafia, in a normal mafia game? Your logic doesn't make any sense and that last sentence was very wordy but I can't make it better. It's seems like Nai is trying to find holes that he can wiggles himself into when he needs to fake a claim. Just for some semi relevant information, Nai is an experianced player so this probably isn't something that can be blamed on him being a "new player".
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What up, Shea? This is DC from WIFOM. Anyway, I also think Cubsfan is scummy. Okay, game-related content now Ladies, Gentlemen, and IH.
I dislike how Skruffs clearly wrote that Sleep = Mafia and Work=Town in the rules and Nai is still pushing that it doesn't directly say that Sleep can night talk. He then says that in Normal games things don't change all that much(which is true) and that it is highly probable that Sleep is normal mafia. So, when you think that,they are normal mafia and Skruffs writes that they are normal mafia then it's not normal mafia, in a normal mafia game? Your logic doesn't make any sense and that last sentence was very wordy but I can't make it better. It's seems like Nai is trying to find holes that he can wiggles himself into when he needs to fake a claim. Just for some semi relevant information, Nai is an experianced player so this probably isn't something that can be blamed on him being a "new player".
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Scum normally makes up about a quarter of game on average, plus new scum could increase the effectiveness, along with bastard mod games that have a huge number of scum will increase the effectiveness. So I'm guessing that a third or so of the time it is effective. I have seen it in quite a few of my games and I am a newer player. Shea was in my first game on a different site. I was quickly lynched.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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I am on the same page as cog, especially since when Nai asked about his quintuple post being an edit, TSQ responded with I wish implying that he has a character count. I also believe it is the snooze button or alarm clock, his alignment depends on this question. For now, I would not like a claim from Shea though.
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Nai, where do I say the case is based on Fluff? I in no way have endorsed M_G, but have endorsed CoG due to liking his view on things, except for the fluff bit.
About MG posting, I simply did not like why he voted for Nai and don't agree that my logic was along the same lines as him. Are logic was very different and attacked different parts of the post, as has been point out by Elias I believe. Currently, I like the explanation given by Elias and am going to FoS MG later in this post.
Why are you voting me MG? If you are trying make a connection between us your doing a good job. And I don't mind since you happen to be a one shot vig. I also don't believe the town should direct the vig, but will throw in my two cents if it comes down to that.
On this current incident with PBuG and the MG claim. I don't think MG is looking at the right thing about PBuG. I don't believe he subclaimed vig, I believe PBuG just said he was the House Telephone. I'm sure we all have house phones at are homes, so I'm going to give my take on it. It doesn't seem to me that the Home Phone is a work related object because it you can call in sick and if you don't not run your buisness from your house(which our "owner" does not) it is not used for work. It is not sleep because it rings and can wake him up interupting his sleep. The reason I believe the cell phone is because he can use his cell phone for work and bring it to work. The one shot works because if we was going to call in sick he could simply turn off the cell phone. House phone, to me at least, sounds like a neutral. Take this for what you will. Remember that mods around here(MS) tend to make games unbreakable by mass claim. I'm not going to vote PBuG but I would like a response, not a claim necessarily but a little explanation.
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Fine, don't make a comment. I'm fine with that. I was giving my analysis and hoping for some kind of non-claim comment. I see that is impossible and from BuG's reaction I believe I was pretty close. For all I know/care both you and MG are neutral characters due to the dispute of telephones in general.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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I would like for him to at least tell all that your case is sufficient, because even I feel that your case is a strong one and I'm not even voting MG. My reason for not voting MG is because PBuG is far scummier and I don't like his reaction to the claim, he seemed to want people to rush and lynch without thinking and I have already offered my thoughts about his subclaim. I am more looking for the 2nd one.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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I'm ok with it and will hammer when the town is in agreement and I agree with the TSQ's last post and I agree with Elias and Nai on not directing the vig kill.
MG and I are nowhere close to connected but to each their own. And on the note of you calling me and CoG scum or masons: is it possible that we share the same logic and are in no way linked, or is that impossible that two players can have the same outlook?Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Alright, first of all I said I would hammer when Elias put down the vote. Elias put down the vote and I hammered; I simply stayed consistant. He posted that we were in agreement so I said "For the town" and voted him. That is the first piece of fluff on this case.
Secondly, I didn't look and say "Hey, I'm going to follow CoG" He wasn't even on the wagon when I got my first post him. I simply looked at the situation and deceided Nai shouldn't have been let off the mat so easily. That has nothing to do with following CoG. Afterwards I agreed with CoG about most of the game.
Thirdly, I never said I was staying away from the MG wagon I simply would have prefered a PBuG lynch. There was no one, myself included, wanted to spend the time to test MG's claim.
Let's look a PBuG, I say he could be SK and he gets heavily defensive. Now he comes out and says he wants to claim as the first post to day 2. Hmm, has someone set-up a false claim? Why are you so eager to "clear up your actions from yesterday" with a claim? Right now, I could careless if you claimed, I already am convinced that you and MG were not the same alignment.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Alright, I want an answer from Fircoal too, since thats what the cool kids are doing.
On TSQ, I fully believe Shea is both bored enough and ballsy enough to fake a post restriction if not for his pleasure but Skruff's pleasure. Have guys thought that the post restriction wasn't the challenge he wanted? It could be this right here. Defending himself against LAL. For all we know he is part of a band of gimps that are trying to revolutionize mafia by destroying the Lynch All Liars tactic. So what I'm trying to say is he could be telling the truth and I'm afraid if he did this with a power role. But I will throw one thing out there, the last time I saw TSQ lie he was scum. Isn't that right, "Liu Kang"?
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In regards to the stuff about Panzer from Elias. I was not fishing, I simply wanted answer that would give anything to anyone but satisfy me. I backed off when you guys said fishing an haven't mentioned it sense. I think that he has a false claim ready. The hammer was agreed upon. I clearly stated I will hammer when Elias put the vote down. Elias put down the vote. I hammered. Consistency, pro-town on every level.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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CoG: I said once Elias laid the vote, I would hammer. I did what I promised. I was under the impression that Elias would have my back if it came down to lynching me for hammering. Also, I don't like how you are clearing PBuG from having a kill role for not killing who he was voting or FoSing. That's basically saying you expect the Vig, Serial Killer or the Mafia to leave a trail of FoSes on who their night kills are. Wouldn't that draw suspicion? Even if he is a vig, which I'm pretty sure he isn't, I don't think he would kill where his FoSes were and his vote was in fear of leading the Mafia or SK to him. Vigs like to survive to kill night and night again. If you are gonna clear him, it shouldn't be based on his FoSes not being dead. It's like saying someone has to be a cop because they led a lynch on a player that was not town aligned.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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If you are looking at connections then TSQ would be a killer. He has strong connections to both Nai and IH. My only arguement is that I don't see any reason why there would be a connection between the dead and the killer. That is the scum's objective. Not be found out. So if they kill who could be rationally linked to them, wouldn't they be easy to find. Yes, this is wifom but still shouldn't clea anyone. Say you were scum and you killed me because people view us as connected. I'm protown. And you come out during day and say see "look guys I'm protown." I'm sure someone would be like, no. I know I'm using exetreme hypothetical situation but all I am trying to proove is that you can be scum no matter where the kills goes.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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I second that motion, elias. I would also like to know where TSQ has been actually helpful to the town. Don't get this wrong, I still believe TSQ is protown I just want this conversation to end quickly so we could get to the topic at hand. Can i please here some thoughts on CPT. Fantasic and a rational explanation of why only CoG and I are voting him.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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I don't like this post, but I think TSQ was successful in contributing under a post restriction. I don't feel you should ignore one's post because they are "wrong". You should tell them they are wrong with evidence of why like you have done now.Thestatusquo wrote:I ignored your posts because they were WRONG. Anyone who wants to go back and re-read day 1 will tell you that I contributed as much as anyone.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Agreed, CoG. I find that you are correct and will concur with aUnvote, Vote:TSQ. I never thought about that. I was still thinking in terms of post restriction. I believe he is hindering the town with all of this crap about his contribution under his FALSE post restriction.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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I have a feeling that doc or pro-town RB hit the right person. TSQ claimed that he was protown and doesn't die on the first kill no matter what it is but it's a one time thing. He is probably nuetral survivor not pro-town. I can see how he could be protown and i can see how he could be neutral.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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PBuG is my number 1 suspect as well. I still believe we should think about him being survivor but honestly the time he will matter if he is survivor is when we are stuck close to deadline without a lynch, we lynch TSQ and if he is survivor all we do is lose a neutral. I'm looking forward to CoG's posting on me, and I willVote:PBuGSometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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I know, said you were scum in quote TSQ. I simply suggested that you could be, same as I suggested you are a neutral. There are many roles that don't die the first time, and I weeded most of them out due to this being a normal game. I currently belive that you are a neutral survivor.
Anyway, I like CoG's assement of me, because I view this as one of those logic puzzles where you have people and clues and you X everyone of that the clue can't possibly fit.
Anyway, Cpt I would like "evidence" to why you accused CoG of being scum when I believe he is the most town person. Elias is up there as well. I am growing more and more aware of jingolaw's scummness.
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Panzerjager wrote:Haha, PBuG is scumbuddies with him, you either just hammahed to clear your name cause he is scum with you or you just hammahed a townie to say see we're not scumbuddies. Either way your scum.
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Um, At this point I think either PBuG is scum or Jingo is scum, and I'd like a claim from jingo, and why do I look scummy now, because I'm on to you? If one is SK i believe the other is scum but if one is scum and the other is not SK then he is town. Either way Fircoal and TSQ should decide who they want to hang.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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