What the hell is notthepope all about?
Mini 1463 (it has shitty jokes) over
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In post 45, notscience wrote:Also, (including Generic's attempted vote) that's L-2
Scum be tryin to push a D1 quick lynch somethin' fierce I see
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In post 72, Kid A wrote:
notthepope is a hydra so there are 2 different people sharing 1 account to play this gameIn post 70, Generic wrote:My apologies but I have had to skim on the phone. Will catch up on it all when I have more time.
But still no response to my question, what's all the stuff in brackets on notthepope's name?
And this is fair in mafia how?
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Ok, tough from my phone but will give a few thoughts on people so far.
Om nom person and kid A have been my strongest town reads so far. Om cleared bub in such a closed way it set the alarm off, but how overall read is far too experienced to be so blatant in either white knighting or defending a teammate. He is just the right kind of paranoid I like, in the faces of everyone but not pushing anyone into a corner.
Kid A seems to be probing with good questions, and playing devils advocate early. I like that he will question the experienced players to cover angles that might have been missed, so a good feeling from him too.
Biggest scum reads so far are for smudger and NTP. I might be being unfair to NTP but I really am hating this idea that two people can play as a single role in mafia. The posts from them so far have been a little too erratic and I have reasons to concern myself early.
Smudger does appear to be playing it almost textbook if a mafia wanted to hide in plain site. Appearing to contribute but when you break it down the content just isn't there and feels very non committal.
I will attempt to do a full write up on everybody, but these are the guys who stood out as strong opinions one way or another. The rest have been a little more in the grey.-
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In post 130, Om of the Nom wrote:
So I'm town because I'm experienced? I mean that really doesn't give any solid reasons to think I'm town.In post 120, Generic wrote:Om nom person and kid A have been my strongest town reads so far. Om cleared bub in such a closed way it set the alarm off, but how overall read is far too experienced to be so blatant in either white knighting or defending a teammate. He is just the right kind of paranoid I like, in the faces of everyone but not pushing anyone into a corner.
Literally everything here you mentioned is a part of being in a hydra, erratic posting especially. I'd like to know what those other reasons are though.Biggest scum reads so far are for smudger and NTP. I might be being unfair to NTP but I really am hating this idea that two people can play as a single role in mafia. The posts from them so far have been a little too erratic and I have reasons to concern myself early.
This post reeks of easy reasons and no effort. Not to mention that the DCL vote is basically based on his attack on levio, aka it's a chainsaw defense.In post 122, yessiree wrote:townread on Om of the Nom for the efforts put in to scum hunt
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VOTE: DCLXVI
In his post 103 for voting levio because levio is "concerned with going with the flow", when levio is just bad. Hence the reason to vote him looks stretched.
I never cleared you on experience. I was analysing the stupid insta clear of bub without reasons attached, and an arogant experienced player such as yourself would do that sort if thing and assume that's fine. Or would I be wrong there and you are indeed scum white knighting or getting a teammate town credit?-
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I called the Insta clear stupid because ironically 'there was no meat on the bones'. I gets sting this is what annoys you about my town reason you when you felt it was fine to provide even less yourself.In post 159, Om of the Nom wrote:
Why is it a stupid townread on Bub? Why does my playstyle+personality make it a townie thing for me to do? There's no meat to your argument.In post 149, Generic wrote:In post 130, Om of the Nom wrote:
So I'm town because I'm experienced? I mean that really doesn't give any solid reasons to think I'm town.In post 120, Generic wrote:Om nom person and kid A have been my strongest town reads so far. Om cleared bub in such a closed way it set the alarm off, but how overall read is far too experienced to be so blatant in either white knighting or defending a teammate. He is just the right kind of paranoid I like, in the faces of everyone but not pushing anyone into a corner.
Literally everything here you mentioned is a part of being in a hydra, erratic posting especially. I'd like to know what those other reasons are though.Biggest scum reads so far are for smudger and NTP. I might be being unfair to NTP but I really am hating this idea that two people can play as a single role in mafia. The posts from them so far have been a little too erratic and I have reasons to concern myself early.
This post reeks of easy reasons and no effort. Not to mention that the DCL vote is basically based on his attack on levio, aka it's a chainsaw defense.In post 122, yessiree wrote:townread on Om of the Nom for the efforts put in to scum hunt
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In his post 103 for voting levio because levio is "concerned with going with the flow", when levio is just bad. Hence the reason to vote him looks stretched.
I never cleared you on experience. I was analysing the stupid insta clear of bub without reasons attached, and an arogant experienced player such as yourself would do that sort if thing and assume that's fine. Or would I be wrong there and you are indeed scum white knighting or getting a teammate town credit?
And the reason I find it town for now is I see a lack of caring how it looks, and mafia generally care more about how their opinions and comments are perceived.-
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In post 164, Om of the Nom wrote:
I never claimed Bub was a strong townread. I don't have much for thinking he's town in the first place but at the same time I don't have anything pointing him to being scum that counters that. You, however, claimed me as one of your strongest townreads and then gave nothing to really indicate why.In post 162, Generic wrote:I called the Insta clear stupid because ironically 'there was no meat on the bones'. I gets sting this is what annoys you about my town reason you when you felt it was fine to provide even less yourself.
Your exact words were "bub is town" I believe. Doesn't get more definitive than that. And your continued querying and arguing why I would dare to call you a strong town read of mine further strengthens my belief you are town. I very much doubt as mafia you would take such issue with someone reading you and town as this.-
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You say that like its a fault of the game. It's subjective interpretation, just because you are seeing issues with me the same as another player, doesn't mean everyone reads the game the same way.In post 175, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:
This is probably because hydraIn post 27, levio wrote:VOTE: NotThePope
now what the hell dude, you call someone and vote other guy? besides what is that "i want to get a wagon going" when the day hasn't even started yet... you are top in my scum list (this is not a wagon vote, I just want to put my shit straight)
As of Page 3, yessiree is my strongest town read
Bad logic. New town would be concerned with going with the flow.In post 103, DCLXVI wrote:No, if you think someone is scum you keep on saying it all game. Unless someone provides a good argument as to why that person isn't scum you should still call him scum. I was in a recent game where I called someone scum basically all game, it wasn't until lylo that that person was lynched and flipped scum. If I had listened to all the other townreads ppl had on that player we would have lost the game.
trust your scumhunting ... if you are town. However I don't think that is the case here.
someone is way to concerned with trying to go with the flow.
Tentative VOTE: DCL to get off of Radiant, who is null
If I understand correctly, laying low refers to making sure not to rock the boat and not a lack of posting.In post 118, Smudger wrote:
as for laying low, how am I laying low, I live in Dubai, which is a Muslim country,the weekend here is Friday/Saturday, and my time zone is +4 GMT. So my activity is low during my weekend, but then you would not know that. But what is irksome is your failure to appreciate that because of the DNS attack yesterday on the site getting into the forums was for me impossible, when all things are considered.In post 114, absta101 wrote:Smudger is just laying low posting shit like "in theory I would..." to distance himself from his views.
This sounds overly defensive.
I don't like this townread. And I retract my townread on yessir.In post 122, yessiree wrote:townread on Om of the Nom for the efforts put in to scum hunt
In addition, I don't like Generic for the same reason. (bullshit townreads)
I'm sorry, but aren't they the same reason? Are you focusing on tone of voice, because I don't really understand.In post 125, Alabaska J wrote:also, i'm more ok with Kid A's vote on levio than DCL's, if people are wondering why i'm not picking on both of them. seems much more honest than DCL's odd pseudo-mentoring post where he all of a sudden votes levio out of the blue. Kid A finally decides to sprinkle some more logic to his post there.
Saved for posterityIn post 128, Alabaska J wrote:they're here, they're queer, they're not goin anywheer
Alabaska is my townread atm
You know what bothers me? DCL and Generic are raising the same flags to me, but only DCL is getting hit.
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In post 182, Om of the Nom wrote:
I guess I can forgive you on this one for not knowing how I work. When it comes to giving out reads, I always show confidence, and I deal in absolutes quite frequently (only on the outside though, my reads are more complicated that what I actually post). However, you can tell when I'm feeling strongly about someone being town when I call them town repeatedly, or I might start defending them trying to get people not to lynch them.In post 166, Generic wrote:
Your exact words were "bub is town" I believe. Doesn't get more definitive than that.In post 164, Om of the Nom wrote:
I never claimed Bub was a strong townread. I don't have much for thinking he's town in the first place but at the same time I don't have anything pointing him to being scum that counters that. You, however, claimed me as one of your strongest townreads and then gave nothing to really indicate why.In post 162, Generic wrote:I called the Insta clear stupid because ironically 'there was no meat on the bones'. I gets sting this is what annoys you about my town reason you when you felt it was fine to provide even less yourself.
New to mafiascum so I'm having to cold read you guys at present, but noted for meta. Can you give me a couple example games where you were town on here that I can check that against ease? And if you have been mafia one or two of them for comparison.-
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In post 185, NotThePope wrote:Liking whoever brought up that point about generic. Were going to agree there, kinda curious what happens when we....
VOTE: generic
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You noticed your teammate trying to get your attention to back him up did ya?
Convenient that the guy who's name I can't pronounce (lots of letters, will call you TMT for now) gives a shout out for more people to be following his vote on me, and NTP leaps to the call.
Just because people have felt cause to voice early suspicions on me day 1 doesn't make it a must vote option. It's day 1, several people have been under suspicion from a few people without votes needing to be placed down. That's how mislynches get achieved. It's why pressure is applied and questions are asked, like om has done with me as an example.
NTP was already on my radar, looks like there was more to your vote and fishing for more go wagon me than I first thought TMT-
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I have been hesitant to pull certain reads from the thread because I haven't been able to give this the time it deserves to assess which I think have most merit. But you have made some genuine pushes on me from what I can tell, you haven't tried to twist what I have posted but have continued to develop the pressure on me by evolving the questions rather than continually dwelling on the same one or two elements. It's part of why I have continued to respond back at you, because I am seeing nothing but confirmation on my initial assessment of you.
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This is part of the reason I have had less interest in this game. The lectures.
Don't take issue with hydras ( never seen such a setup anywhere else, so forgive me if I am struggling to get my head around it)
Don't speculate links (even though a suspicious player showing links to another suspicious player seems a better prospect than a suspicious player who tells you nothing leading off their flip)
Please accept I'm new to your site, you do things differently to what I'm used and so I can only play the game my way.
I know you guys in the main are trying to help me out but it makes me hesitant to do anything, and the point of this game is to enjoy it I thought. I may do things you don't like, but you don't have to agree with my assessments so it won't affect you. And I might just come good if I do it my way.-
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You jumped in too fast and too loose NTP, you let your teammate down.In post 192, NotThePope wrote:Classic overreaction to having 2 votes. TMT was on to something.
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It's a fair comment, but it doesn't stop me utilising odd interactions for potential strengthening of my read on someone. When I do see a flip I then know what reads to rectify accordingly.In post 195, yessiree wrote:you can do team speculations all day long, but it's useless without a flip-
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Reading back with my small screen, while TMT is trying to build something from nothing on me, NTPs vote was just opportunistic. I can decide whether TMTs post calling for others to vote was a request for support from a scum team or NTP was just seeing an opportunity, but either way it's the d I more of the two votes.
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Sorry, was going to comment on cowbells filler post to keep alive but couldn't be bothered in the end, what is there to say about it except to contribute more and I'm not active enough myself.
Forgot to knock off the quote before posting my intended post when I rejoined this game tonight. Sorry for the confusion.-
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I never said I wouldn't vote. If you look back over what I have said I was quite up front about being stuck with the phone to play this off. Doesn't help with regards to reading people. But I forced myself and felt NTP hasn't been at all pro town and has never attacked me off his own back, seeking to come in after others have had a dig.In post 215, Bub Bidderskins wrote:Generic, why did you feel the need to vote now as opposed to earlier? You just refused to vote, and now, after no posts from your main suspect, you decide to vote. Why?
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#22 Defended someone when it wasnt even his arguement (white knighting)
#24 continues to defend but then pulls out a random vote to start a wagon.
#54 other person in the team chastises the names vote in #24 but then throw down their own naked vote.
#61 oh look. The original vote is back. Anyone would think this indecision is filler without anyone being able to push them in why that vote (because even they disagree on the validity of it)
Then a series of posts very self focused and seemingly lacking in any sort of content or scum hunting. More filler basically. Then laughably tells me I need to get scum hunting.
When he finally begins to show signs if scumhunting he identifies DCL as scummy, but the next post they make has yessiree as one who needs pressure. Again it's a naked vote just for pressure, no case attached.
Then we move to a vote on me. Liking the point about me, but can't remember who said it and never says what that point was, but again hints at the vote being for pressure purposes.
Basically no scum hunting I can identify even though there's two of them, several naked votes to appear active, a vote on me with some vague reasoning attached that someone somewhere said something...
I refused to vote just because someone had told me I hadn't, and the reason I hadn't was I hadn't been able to do any assessments. It's not worth voting on nothing. I found something worth voting on.-
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The one with the lower iq must have the keyboard.In post 224, NotThePope wrote:Yo I think someone is scum
And I'm so certain that person is scum
But I won't use my vote to try to win the game lulz
^ Generic in his prime
AlrightIn post 216, Kid A wrote:lynching ntp will give us the most information imo
I've tried to be calm
Rational
And serene
So answer this right and I won't drop a fucking brick on your balls
What information will you gain?
I wasn't going to vote until I had done the review of you. When I did, I voted. I have just responded to being asked why I voted with the case.
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@ntp, I will return to your case against me when it's not 4:20 in the morning...
But your arguement is flawed when you exaggerate the parameters. You don't need to remember anything, but your exact reason for suspecting me was someone who's name you codnt remember made a good point... Then you never specify the point.
It reminds me actually of something someone whos name i cant recall said to me yesterday....
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Trying to figure out this sudden kid A wagon that's formed. So far kid A has opened in RVS with a vote on NTP, then a naked vote to bub, followed by a return to NTP with what looks to be a serious vote based on indecision between the two users making up the hydra. He then criticises NTP for not explaining themselves, explains to me how to read a hydra mindset, then at post 106 changes vote to Levio based on the theory now that NTP will flip town and Levio knows this. Continues the case on Levio with decent logic, then switches to cowbell based on not much input of her own, leans on alabaska for an NTP read, goes back to cowbells to point out their OMGUS and show the difference in how each voted for people (the assumption here is that kid gives an explanation and cowbell doesn't).
From here there is an abusive outburst to alabaska to give his NTP read, moves his vote to NTP before then switching to NTP with the short reason of it giving most information.
He then in single sentence responses pushes NTP, and at one point explains he unvoted alabaska because he went v/la (dies that count as a reason?) before seemingly dodging responses to people who are pushing on him.
Summarised, there are a few concerns about his play, such as the leaving cases he built in favour of an NTP push which has very little case from him or indeed an explanation, and also the leaving of the alabaska vote I don't fully understand the reasoning given.
But beyond that he has been applying pressure and the vote changing up until NTP has always had a strong logic attached to why.
Is the wagon building solely to force him to stop dodging questions or have I missed something more damning on him? Currently im not seeing anything worthy of the speed those votes came in at.-
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So it's buddying to look at the actions of kid myself and then question such a fast wagon on a weaker case than there is for others?In post 301, Smudger wrote:
Nope, not seeing that, seeing Generic buddying up to you though and basically fighting your corner as you don't seem arsed about it.In post 297, Kid A wrote:anyone else starting to feel omnom and yessiree could be a team?
I call that being as objective as possible to avoid mislynching, but ok.-
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Well I see what you mean. For me when I looked over his posts he has a very strong start, some great logic and good vote choices because of that logic, but recently it feels like he has given up or isn't as good on the defensive as he is the offensive.
So yeah I get your point now. The pressure on him I don't disagree with, he will either show some defensive fight or get found out, but my main concern was a seemingly strong scum hunter was being fast wagoned with votes that don't have the same level of explanation attached to them.-
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Am I missing something here? Kid A is theorising levios mindset, and is speculating what Levio is expecting to happen.
How is that ANY different to you bub declaring so so e town and someone mafia there? You assume a flip, kid a has assumed the actions of someone who might know what someone will flip.
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In post 328, Alduskkel wrote:As awesome as a Generic-Om-Ald town voting bloc would be, I can't bring myself to vote NTP at the moment. Generic's case is too much relational tells and "I hate hydras" and Om's case is too much stretching and gut (which sound like unfortunate medical side effects).
NTP just reads too much like a disorganized hydra rather than scum.
I'll do a bit of meta research later and if I don't like what I see I'll probably vote NTP. (I'll mainly be looking for quality of scumhunting in other games.)
(I'd vote Smudger except that I actually sort of like his recent posts. Ugh.)
Do you know me from elsewhere? It's the first time someone had included me in a list with AWESOME attached and it makes me wonder if you know my mafia history.-
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OK, im on the NTP wagon but im very uncomfortable with this post. You don't talk for everyone, please don't do that again because currently there are only 6 (I think) who do want him lynched and comments like that feel like you are trying to force it through and it gives me concerns of a mislynch.In post 410, Alabaska J wrote:NTP our intent is to lynch you if you don't comply with claiming. no reason for town to withhold here, so i'm feeling good about my vote
pedit: he didn't, bub is scum
Add to that your trying to force a claim when I don't think anyone gave intent for the hammer you seem to be trying to rush the process the site generally works to.-
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Im concerned about the lynch of a potentially safe town role in night phase, but as pointed out how much can it be trusted?
Hate policy lynched as they do have a tendency to bite you in the ass. But the only other wagon I simply don't agree with.
Its gonna be one or the other at this late stage, unless someone has a lead on anything else. Bubs over defence of NTP has been a concern, it felt a lot like white knighting at times.-
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I'm implying nothing, I'm just trying to get my head round why you are do aggressively protecting a guy who obviously is coming across scummy to be at L-1.
Unless you are defending a godfather or other strong scum role to be so obvious day 1, the only other thing I can think of is white knighting. Either way it's odd play.-
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Seriously? Werent you and bub telling us all how town NTP was?
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I think I've mixed you with someone else. Bub and another player were giving everyone hell over voting for NTP.In post 519, RadiantCowbells wrote:I never said anything about how town NTP was. I considered him scummy, but still a bad wagon.
If someone is 20% scum and another person is 50% scum, lynching the 20% scum is a bad wagon.
Generic, why are you acting like me and Bub are the same person? We're not.
We just happen to mutually agree on a scumread and for my part I consider him town.
My mind has been made up for a while, sweetheart.I'm feeling Smudger/Kid A/NTP.
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Look, it was you cowbells. Everyone on the wagon of a now confirmed scum player was earning themselves scum points. What's the cash value on those points of yours cowbells? Three fifths of fuck all it seems.In post 389, RadiantCowbells wrote:The NTP wagon sucks and everyone on it is earning themselves huge scumpoints.
You were endorsing a bub post telling everyone we weren't lunching NTP because it was stupid... Stupid to lynch scum?In post 436, RadiantCowbells wrote:My name is Ike and I approve of the previous message.
Typical scum tactic to try and find a way onto bussing a teammate without looking like a scummy u-turn.In post 449, RadiantCowbells wrote:Let's lynch Kid-A instead and then discuss what to do about NTP tomorrow.
And this crap about NTP being 20% scum is crap, he was 109% scum in the end... So why would your read on kid A be accurate?-
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It's also a convenient assumption that mafia players would join the growing wagon of a teammate.
The difference here is that we had a wagon on NTP at L-1 and one on kid A at L-2. In fact at one point they both sat at L-2.
If all remaining mafia were on the NTP wagon they had opportunity to spare him and condemn kid A. That why I think this idea is a smokescreen.-
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On that yessiree, if a player spent a lot of effort stopping a player getting lynched, and then when the vote got hammered he went very quiet on the subject... When the player who was lynched flipped town what would you make of the sudden silence on the matter?
To me IF bub was mafia he would have to keep up the pretence that we just lynched town, because it would give away that he knew otherwise. And IF smudger was scum as one theory speculates, what better way to distance yourself from the other teammate?
All IFs though, and as I think has been pointed out such a blatant defence of a player that turned out to be scum doesn't seem like normal scum play... I'm trying to determine if it was a double bluff though. His opening and only post on day 2 seems bad as a start point, I want to hear more from him.-
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But that's my point yessiree.In post 570, yessiree wrote:pp: @ generic: Bub did attack Smudger's hammer vote, in #497, and #499, would a scum player, knowing that his partner just got lynched, still uphold that defiance of an attitude?
Say it was me defending NTP so aggressively. Suddenly he is hammered and I stop dead all my defensive comments. NTP flips scum, what do you make of my reaction?
Good scum should know not to drop something just because they know the outcome, that's waaaay too obvious.
Bub, you have told us who you think is town based on yesterday. But cowbells, someone you just identified now as a potential suspect, claims all remaining mafia were on that NTP wagon.
Since you don't agree with that, do you think ANY mafia were on the wagon? Bear in mind you were one of five pushing the kid A wagon so it wasnt an obviously scummy wagon, even if I don't get it.
If cowbells is one, who would be your other biggest suspect right now?
For me bub you are still a suspect due to suddenly just naming town players in your opinion. That feels like mafia trying not to press any opinions too hard right now.
Smudger was an interesting choice for suspicion but he did give plenty of warning to the hammer and the way he was leaning with the wagons.
Cowbells does look bad from day 1, but his day 2 defence has been pretty good. The stubbornness to return to the kid A wagon feels very town with the subsequent explanation.
Om is probing again with questions, seems to be honest in his reactions to asking questions already answered but did feel like he was fishing earlier and ignored me when I questioned it.
Kid A seemed town to me on day 1, the main points against him ft like a misrep of his posts. Kid A I would like your reads on other players please too.
Yessiree has seemed to be keen to find town theory to reactions of people which is sort of null for me, but if it leads to him offering some suspects I get the logic of his current posts. Will need to look back on his day 1 as I don't know much about his posting...
Will look at the others but these are the main posters of day 2 so far, will put a t/s list together as day 2 goes on...-
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The wildcard in sport is usually an entrant that hasn't got there by the standard means, like in tennis it can be base on invite into the tournament.
I think in the case of this context a wildcard would be the unknown entity. As stated you were on neither wagon, your opinions were tunnelled solely on me I think throughout day 1 and therefore your leaning is indeterminate.-
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Yessiree, your original point was that if bub was scum why didn't he just drop the fight in twilight. My arguement was to point out that by carrying on he looks more town because of the exact arguement you just made. You were talking like you expect scum to make this easy for us, I was pointing out they won't.
And his defeatism and minimal input reads hiding until the best dies down... But it's not going to, so he needs to start putting together either a defence or some significant game reads.-
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In post #624 yessiree votes for bub.
Posts #627, and #628... Yessiree is talking of bub as town.
Am I missing something here?
While I agree with your point bub, I'm more referring to your defence of your attitude day 2.
You were clearly strong minded and opinionated day 1, day 2 it's suicidal defeatism. I could forgive day 1 had you showed some fight or growth, look at cowbells for an example of a guy who basically did similar to you day 1 but came into day 2 with the impression at least he will do better with his scumhunting today.
You... Not so much.
My vote is with you for now but yessiree is working hard to gain it instead.-
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