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Ok this is moving fast. Interesting first exchanges. And there are opinions on scum and town being made. Of note is NotThePope says he is out of RVS but then seems to continue with a joke about Cowbells being definitely town. Or is he serious? I need to read again as I have skimmed through as it is currently my weekend, (live in Dubai, the Arab world's weekend is Friday/Saturday.) will be back Sunday and fully up to speed then,
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ok, prolonged absence exasperated by the downtime, and have just caught up. NTP is a Hydra, this is the first time I have been playing with such a "beast", strangely I get varying reads dependent on which one is typing.
as for there discussions, In theory I would agree that a newbtown may be cautious as they are untrusting of their own judgment, but surely so would a newbscum? in fact more cautious, and as that person would know who town were, and therefore would agreeing with a player they knew to be scum them gain town credits?
In post 108, Kid A wrote:i would still be worried about levio voting mafia even though they think absta is the mafia,
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here?
In post 98, levio wrote:OK since everyone is giving town reads on absta im gonna have to sthu...
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please explain how someone distances themselves from their views, if those views are currently open and still being formed? The idea is to look at an argument from both angles is it not, and to then form an opinion based on those findings?In post 114, absta101 wrote:Smudger is just laying low posting shit like "in theory I would..." to distance himself from his views.
as for laying low, how am I laying low, I live in Dubai, which is a Muslim country,the weekend here is Friday/Saturday, and my time zone is +4 GMT. So my activity is low during my weekend, but then you would not know that. But what is irksome is your failure to appreciate that because of the DNS attack yesterday on the site getting into the forums was for me impossible, when all things are considered.-
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Bub, you need to define wishy - washy to me as looking at your contributions you have not said much at all. you have posted 6 times, which includes your vote during RVS and changing your vote to me. OTher than that you really have made no effort to contribute to the game other than a few throw away lines. In fact the biggest post you make is the one above 117 and that is primarily because you quote my post then vote me and add the "wishy washy statement".
lets look at your posts shall we, with the exception of 117 :
In post 20, Bub Bidderskins wrote:I'm attacking them for making a silly FOS, not because it was on you.In post 51, Bub Bidderskins wrote:And how exactly does this vote get the day moving along? Yes, bandwagons can move the day along, but not just because they exist. You simply jumped onto the bandwagon and did nothing to actually get the game moving. Furthermore, the whole bandwagon on notthepope is stupid because he's most likely town.
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He's trying to get discussion moving and is scumhunting. By far the towniest player in the game right now.In post 52, absta101 wrote:@Bud
What makes you say that?Furthermore, the whole bandwagon on notthepope is stupid because he's most likely town.In post 60, Bub Bidderskins wrote:As for the FoS, I was being half-serious. Every game I'm in I try to get out of RVS as soon as possible by nitpicking at some tiny thing and making a seemingly serious vote.
No, I do not find that FoS to be an alignment tell in any way. I just wanted to get the game moving.
then laughably you warn cowbells you have your eye on him, WOW sterling work sherlock...In post 12, Bub Bidderskins wrote:Vote: Alabaska J
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well a pat on the back for you, so how do we know you are town, exactly?In post 135, Om of the Nom wrote:In the past I've replaced into games without reading up on everything and I've still managed to catch scum or just perform well in general.-
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am I missing something or did something get lost in the crash, the recent Smudger thing, what is that and what are you actually suggesting?In post 124, Alabaska J wrote:i also feel as though a few people are jumping on the recent Smudger thing pretty hard *coughbubcough*; almost looks like scum trying to jump off a wagon on one of their buddies at just the right time, if you know what i mean. i also don't like yessiree's 122, as he basically piggybacks smudger's points completely.-
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defensive? that's complete crap and you know it, and is that really all you can say? wow who is defensive now?In post 146, Bub Bidderskins wrote:This is exactly the kind of reactive/defensive argument that I would expect from scum. My vote is confirmed.-
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you never di dget a reasonably acceptable answer did you DCL?
and there has been a lot of vote jumping by Kid too. Kid your thoughts so far please?
and DCL I can't find this
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TMBDFDFDIFOHSDFSF is town as well as Om and Generic.
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why ask this? why not ask "what read do you have on everybody?"In post 259, RadiantCowbells wrote:Kid A, what read do you have on me?-
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actually I see now, and I have to agree, tbh. but Om is also catching my eye for some inconsistencies as highlighted byIn post 260, RadiantCowbells wrote:evermind. I'll just go ahead with this.
We're lynching Kid A today, not NTP.
DCL in particular, the head butting going on between NTP and Generic would garner the belief that they are either both town ripping themselves apart or one is scum the other is town, but really with what is being tabled it would be hard to believe them both scum, which is how I read what is being offered by Om in 241-
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Nope, not seeing that, seeing Generic buddying up to you though and basically fighting your corner as you don't seem arsed about it.In post 297, Kid A wrote:anyone else starting to feel omnom and yessiree could be a team?-
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In post 302, Smudger wrote:and DCL while you arebeating theKid up about not answering you could you look at #278 for me?
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pray do tell as this will be interesting?In post 311, Bub Bidderskins wrote:Smudger is still scummy btw,-
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if you would care to explain why that would be. You seem to be making this "I would lynch Smudger" statement, but then really put no substance to it, so in my book you are either prodding me to see how I react or just blithely making a statement. either way give me something to get my teeth into or go away and find another target.In post 363, Alduskkel wrote:I am also open to a DCL or Smudger lynch if either ever get any traction
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I get the same feeling and you make this observation, which i think is right.In post 341, Alabaska J wrote:nothing wrong with being objective, bub. it is good to play mafia with an open mind and not think in absolutely. everyone who defends people you vote for is not instantly scum, especially when it is done so objectively as generic did it. i'm getting the feeling bub and dcl might be working together to bus Kid A here.
then there is thisIn post 341, Alabaska J wrote:i'm sticking with my DCL vote here. we need more people on this. the Om business was really funky. i really like Aldusskel's analysis too; good to have a quality player replacing in. i don't know why people don't think i was pressuring bub, he's been lurking and not really responding to me and in addition no one else is voting him so the pressure has been hard to apply by myself. i like DCL as scum better now, and while i agree with Aldusskel that Kid A's play could be because he is a bad player, and that the wagon on him contains scum, i think it looks more like a bus personally.
thanks for that Cowbells an amazing contribution. In fact you have been targeting Kid for a while now, but with no real content? care to explain why you feel this:In post 358, RadiantCowbells wrote:Don't have anything more to say. Kid A is still the lynch for today and no one else has struck me as scummy or towny enough to say anything about.
In post 137, RadiantCowbells wrote:VOTE: Kid A
ISO sucks elephant dick, voted me with shitty backing.
Ah but you do at 260, trouble is I find your close out statement somewhat hypercriticalIn post 286, RadiantCowbells wrote:Content with Kid A or OK Computer today.
In post 260, RadiantCowbells wrote:WHAT THE FUCK.
TL;DR This guy gives about as many fucks about scumhunting as Bowie does about sailors fighting in the dance hall
And after that you do nothing more, in fact you are as culpable as he is with regard to not actively hunting.
I read somewhere that given one scum tell and nothing more is actually scummy, I may be wrong but that is what I recall.
as for my current vote, It’s been where it is too long, but only because Bub has been quite, I know that rich coming from me, I don't actually agree with the Kid vote I agree with Alabaska and that it is a setup, and I feel it all too convenient to be honest as it is based on primarily bad play. NTPs play is confusing but as I have stated I have never before played with a hydra, and even though I find some of the actions and interactions scummy, it’s not IMO a reason to vote just yet, if at all.
So the only person I feel strongly about at this time is
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Yes I have been quite but only as the pace of what is going on in this game is such that many are picking up on things I would have thought offered scope for discussion or questionable and find that to add my voice to arguments and repeat what others are saying for fear of being accused of sheeping, I see no reason to add to that unless it offers weight to that discussion. And before you state the obvious I know how that sounds, but that is the reason. what is also frustrating is that most of what is happening in this thread is happening when I am asleep, however it would seem we are in similar time zones so now maybe I can get into the flow of this game. However I don’t deny that and you are right I should be more active.In post 365, Alduskkel wrote:Smudger, the reason I would be willing to lynch you is that you've basically done no scumhunting until now (and doing it now isn't enough to earn a town read).
If RC is scum for making a case but then simply sitting on it and not doing anything else, what does that say about all the people sheeping RC?
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unfortunately I do not agree with the "both" of you and this persistence is somewhat irritating to the point of making me take another look at the gibberish I find in many of your posts. maybe people are right about your scummy interaction?In post 367, NotThePope wrote:We found scum, we're just waiting until people realize this and start voting.-
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In post 379, Generic wrote:With the deadlock being unlikely to change without the remaining three people not voting for either kid A or NTP can those three assess the cases against both and see if either wagon appeals.
I don't know how the site handles a deadlock at deadline.
already am reassessing and prone to move my vote TBHIn post 377, Smudger wrote:
unfortunately I do not agree with the "both" of you and this persistence is somewhat irritating to the point of making me take another look at the gibberish I find in many of your posts. maybe people are right about your scummy interaction?In post 367, NotThePope wrote:We found scum, we're just waiting until people realize this and start voting.-
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I disagree, the closer to DL the more likely it is to cause confusion and provide a no lynch or mislynch, you need to claim early so it can be discussed.In post 420, DCLXVI wrote:There is nothing wrong with NTP witholding a claim until absolutely necessary. In fact, I find it rather towny, given how close he is to being lynched I would think scum NTP would rather appease town then attempt to piss them off.
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I am currently at 1542 hrs my time, as I work it DL is 0854 hrs my time on Tuesday? Which means he has less time than that to claim in."There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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Time is time regardless of where you are in the world, and it waits for no-one.
"There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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What are we doing then?"There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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I can hammer now or if you want listen to the case against Kid."There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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OK have just finished reading and my what a lot to take in. So there seems to be a division on whether to lynch NTP or not dependent on the authenticity of the claim, and regardless of that the general consensus seems to be that either way it has to happen. the the Kid A lynch has come back into prominence in some peoples minds, I still do not feel comfortable with that at this time. I also see that Bub has raised questions through his defense of NTP. One question who is "666" or did I miss something.
Let me know please if this hammer drops or not?In post 463, Alabaska J wrote:i must say, i am a little nervous that two of my larger scumreads (666 & bub) are defending NTP this late into the day..."There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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ah I see. But in general the feeling is NTP? or is there a shift to Kid?"There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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The reason I am asking is that I will, in all probability not be here near to DL, as my timezone and RL will preclude me. I would like to vote NTP but he is L-1, if there is further discussion to come then I do not want to hammer for obvious reasons. But if I place my vote on Kid, which is not something I would like to do as I am not fully convinced TBH, then we have 2 players at L-1. I will come back in about 5 hours and see what has happened."There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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I don't care what every one else thinks Cowbells,a s currently I don't trust any of you as far as I could throw you. I care that people are given a fair hearing and that if they have an argument it should be heard, no matter how ludicrous it may seem. Your actual response to my post is noted as I see nothing suspicious about it in any shape or form."There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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OK I got caught up at work"There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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VOTE: NotThePope"There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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I disagree Bub..."There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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The question is was DCL protecting someone or targeted, Just looked back through his ISO its not clear to me if he was leaning heavily town on anyone enough to protect them. What does stand out is of course his suspicion of Kid and push for the lynch. That said, that in itself could very well be be a misdirect to focus attention onto Kid.
Cowbells why are you so keen to lynch Kid?"There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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In post 496, Bub Bidderskins wrote:That was a very scummy way to hammer Smudger.In post 497, Bub Bidderskins wrote:Not talking about your actual hammer vote, but all the stuff leading up to it.In post 498, Smudger wrote:I disagree Bub...In post 499, Bub Bidderskins wrote:I'm sure you would.
this was weird and I suppose ties into what Om was saying, bottom line is I held the hammer as I state here in480 and 482"There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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In post 516, RadiantCowbells wrote:That does throw a mild crimp into my theory, but it doesn't change my vote.
really, do make your mind upIn post 516, RadiantCowbells wrote:I fully support a Smudger wagon.
VOTE: Cowbells"There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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could you elaborate please the bolded part,In post 525, Om of the Nom wrote:So these votes on RC are stupid and bandwagony (Smudger's even more so)especially when there are worse offenders of the crimes he's committed*points to Bub*.
Also Bub is trying to play the defeatist side and I'm not buying it. Especially when he's not going to give any sort of follow-up to it."There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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In post 537, Smudger wrote:
could you elaborate please the bolded part,In post 525, Om of the Nom wrote:So these votes on RC are stupid and bandwagony (Smudger's even more so)especially when there are worse offenders of the crimes he's committed*points to Bub*.
Also Bub is trying to play the defeatist side and I'm not buying it. Especially when he's not going to give any sort of follow-up to it.
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I am town I will lynch scum, I gave enough warning, if that is scummy to say that then fine, but it is what it is, the truth...Now Cowbells you are still not changing my opinion here, and I will add where was my vote when I moved it to NTP? and what was my stance?In post 556, Om of the Nom wrote:I don't understand why Smudger would have necessarily voted NTP over Kid A though when he could have just waited it out (IIRC he already said he most likely wasn't going to be there by deadline so it wouldn't have been out of the ordinary)."There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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I call that a Loose Cannon..In post 589, Alabaska J wrote:
well, although i'm not the person being asked directly, since i say you fit the definition, i'll give my opinion on the term and Alduskkel can give his, and you can decide whether you fit the definition or not.In post 588, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:
What's the textbook definition of "wildcard"In post 579, Alduskkel wrote:I would like to point out how much of a wildcard TMT is. Only person not voting Kid A or NTP at the end of the day, not to mention he's been lurking pretty hard.
in my mind, a wildcard is someone whose actions can be seen as either town or scum even on an objective level. note that this is different than a nullread, because that is asubjectivejudgment made by someone. people that fall into this category are those who do any combination of the following things: lurk heavily throughout major points in a game, have a decidedly anti-town playstyle, have a decidedly naive playstyle, have an erratic playstyle, consistently flip-flop on views early and often throughout days in a way that seems genuine. i would say that you are a wildcard for the first reason, NTP was (until the end of the day when he caved obviously enough under pressure) a wildcard for the second reason, Kid A is a wildcard as well for the second reason, and Mutleyddmc is a wildcard for the fourth reason. i think Kid A is most likely town for interactionary reasons, however."There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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this feels so uncomfortable to me, TMT if it bothers you enough to raise it in thread, why then does it conflict your reasoning?In post 584, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:In terms of Bub, I'm not sure if scum would be willing to stick their neck out that much to protect NTP.
However, that "my reads are shit" post bothers me, especially with little additional commentary.
So I'm sort of conflicted on him."There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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@Alabaska Tomato Tomata"There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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VOTE: MutleyIn post 601, Mutleyddmc wrote:I once had a wilfcard to a tennis tournament, I won it. Like I will win this game
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In post 604, Mutleyddmc wrote:That made no sense smudger
It was sarcasm at your comment that you are going to win...ergo If we lynch you we find out what alignment wins and so can end the game quickly."There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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shucks really, why?In post 614, Mutleyddmc wrote:Smudger could be scum."There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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Happy Birthday Om..."There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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oh ok glad that has been cleared up"There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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Wow its getting feisty in here.
Will read the whole sordid mess when I get the chance. What I will say is in my experience when someone results to profanity I tend to feel they have lost their argument. Anyway, my weekend guys so will catch up later today (RL)."There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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Right firstly I need to do this,
UNVOTE:
Because wait has been commented my vote went on and tbh things are happening in thread that I need to.read on and give my comments and questions/answers on. Trouble is RL is in the way until Sunday. Just gone 22:43 here so have no time to digest everything."There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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two NKS??"There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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or an SK"There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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I know this maybe taboo but the slip but the Mod with regards to the NKs could actually be of help determining who was the target of whoever? So trying to read into the slip made by the Mod would it be fair to say that the mafia NK was probably RC? if it was RC then the pre-lynch discussion is relevant, as RC points out reads on who he believed are the scum team, one being Bub the others being KidA and NTP. But that said why was Freedom (TMT) NK'd? was it by a town Vig who suspected TMT as scum or is this the other way around, the vig thought RC was scum. That if it was a vig."There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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Om your backside is talking.
concerning my post, it's a fair and honest line of thought as opposed to the verbal garbage you just posted, what exactly are you saying in all that, that has not already been stated, what in all of that is not echoing previous posts?
Your saying that speaking your mind and hammering a lunch are scum tells? Well then most games here would be over pretty quickly if that was the case."There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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If you care to actually read my post you will see that it is balanced. And on fact follows the line that either NK has similar reasons for both a scum or Vig shot. As for the Hammer I gave enough notice and was sure on my vote as I had a very good fell the TIP part of the Hydra. I could not mention it then but I can now as the game I was in with TIP ended recently. In that game TIP was town, there were differences between the way that TIP played there and the one here. If you want to check its in my wiki. And yes I was scum in that game and it was a win. So forgive me for actively scum hunting and actually hammering one."There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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Complete crap, is all I can say, a manufactured case based on me stalling my Hammer on NTP. Lets make this very clear, at the time I made it very clear that I had suspicions for both NTP and Kid, they were both close to lynch so I could have gone either way. Then as I have stated I looked at the TIP part of the Hydra and compared it with the other game I.have mentioned, alarm bells rang which convinced me to focus on NTP. I asked for a consensus of opinion for 2 reasons, one knowing that the votes were split and 2. To see who may jump to NTPs defence or vice versa with KidA no one did which in my mind meant that, should NTP flip scum thdn the Kid A wagon woukd possibly have the majority of scum.on,, so aftrr giving fair warning and considering the fake claim I thammered.
The case against me is manufactured and subjective and completely wrong."There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
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