Mini 1463 (it has shitty jokes) over

[Alabaska J]

just realized that doesn't translate well to a message board lol but hopefully you get what i mean

[Mutleyddmc]

I once had a wilfcard to a tennis tournament, I won it. Like I will win this game

[Smudger]

@Alabaska Tomato Tomata

[Smudger]

I once had a wilfcard to a tennis tournament, I won it. Like I will win this game

VOTE: Mutley

UNVOTE:

[Mutleyddmc]

That made no sense smudger

[N]

Vote Count 2.02

yessiree

( 1 ) Kid A

Generic

( 0 )

Mutleyddmc

( 0 )

Kid A

( 2 ) RadiantCowbells , yessiree

Bub Bidderskins

( 2 ) Om of the Nom , Alabaska J

Alabaska J

( 0 )

TMTOLBTWNTOF

( 0 )

Smudger

( 0 )

RadiantCowbells

( 1 ) Mutleyddmc

Alduskkel

( 0 )

Om of the Nom

( 0 )

Not voting:

Bub Bidderskins , TMTOLBTWNTOF , Alduskkel , Generic , Smudger

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2013-07-24 09:12:40)

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[Smudger]

That made no sense smudger

It was sarcasm at your comment that you are going to win...ergo If we lynch you we find out what alignment wins and so can end the game quickly.

[Mutleyddmc]

Too early in the morning for me

[Alduskkel]

Gonna do this piece by piece.

Step 1: Review my notes from when I first replace into this game. Write notes on the notes.

Spoiler: Notes on my Notes

24: NTP avoids DCL and goes for RC. Odd. Normally I'd say that this implies RC is town but NTP was avoiding town in the first place.
44: Increasingly it becomes clear to me that there is a heavy link between NTP and Bub that goes both ways. It's almost too obvious.
51: I actually point out the presence of a link if one of them flips scum... and look where we are.
Well, that didn't take that long.

Step 2: Iso NTP.

Spoiler: Notes on NTP

0: Kicks off with a vote on Kid A. Prophetic, but probably not meaningful.
3 & 7: Dat defense of Bub.
5: Accuses Alabaska of attacking him (NTP) in order to defend levio (Muttley). I'm guessing both Alabaska and levio/Muttley are town.
10 & 11: Fake intra-hydra arguing over whether RC is town. Hmm. Kid A calls this out in post 66. Either Kid A's brilliant here, he's scum, or it's a total coincidence. I know, great analysis by yours truly.
13: Lot of vote hopping from Alabaska to RC to Kingsrush (Om).
14: Bit of patting Kid A on the back buried in here. Says that there are 2 scum in RC/KR/DCL/Smudger. Somehow I doubt that.
21: Stupid, transient vote on yessiree.
Interlude: 217 is when Kid A votes NTP. NTP posts 25-29 (220-251) before mentioning Kid A's vote. Doesn't vote Kid A while there's only 1 vote on him (Kid A), waits until there are FOUR. Definite opportunism by NTP. This pretty much confirms to me that Kid A is town.
37: Doesn't want to LEAD the Kid A wagon. Apparently either convinced that Kid A will dig his own hole or he wants someone else to lead the wagon, e.g. RC. Meanwhile, NTP accuses all 3 people on his wagon (Om, Gen, Kid A) of being scum.

Step 3: Check the Vote Counts. Try not to cringe at all the shitty jokes.

Spoiler: Before Kid A wagon formation

37: NotThePope ( 2 ) yessiree , levio
77: NotThePope ( 3 ) levio , RadiantCowbells , Kid A
100: NotThePope ( 4 ) levio , RadiantCowbells , Kid A , Om of the Nom
121, 153: NotThePope ( 2 ) levio , Om of the Nom
176: NotThePope ( 1 ) Om of the Nom
230, 255: NotThePope ( 3 ) Om of the Nom , Generic , Kid A

Spoiler: After Kid A wagon formation

308: NotThePope ( 3 ) Om of the Nom , Generic , Kid A
Kid A ( 3 ) RadiantCowbells , DCLXVI , yessiree
331, 351: NotThePope ( 3 ) Om of the Nom , Generic , Kid A
Kid A ( 5 ) RadiantCowbells , DCLXVI , yessiree , Bub Bidderskins , NotThePope
376, 388: NotThePope ( 5 ) Om of the Nom , Generic , Kid A , Alduskkel , Alabaska J
Kid A ( 5 ) RadiantCowbells , DCLXVI , yessiree , Bub Bidderskins , NotThePope
466, 489: NotThePope ( 6 ) Om of the Nom , Generic , Kid A , Alduskkel , Alabaska J , Mutleyddmc
Kid A ( 5 ) RadiantCowbells , DCLXVI , yessiree , Bub Bidderskins , NotThePope
501: NotThePope ( 7 ) Om of the Nom , Generic , Kid A , Alduskkel , Alabaska J , Mutleyddmc , Smudger
Kid A ( 5 ) RadiantCowbells , DCLXVI , yessiree , Bub Bidderskins , NotThePope

Spoiler: Analysis of Vote Counts/Noteworthy Things

levio's vote on NTP was sticky early on. Took until Muttley for it to go back on, though.
My vote and Alabaska's really sold the Kid A vs. NTP thing.
Om, Generic, and Kid A were the ones most consistently on NTP.
RC was the one most consistently on Kid A. RC was the one to actually go to the trouble of creating a case.
Until me and Alabaska tied things up, Bub and NTP's votes were putting Kid A fairly in the lead. (5 to 3)
Mutley's L-1 vote seemed to tip the scales against NTP. NTP's lynch certainly wasn't guaranteed; both Smudger and TMT were keeping their cards close to their chest, so if Mutley had decided to vote Kid A instead... well, Day 2 might have looked very different.

Step 4: Reread the game.
I'll get back to you on that. Main things on the to-do list are to decide if the Bub-NTP connection is town-scum or scum-scum, figure out what TMT's deal even is, check if yessiree is a semi-lurking scumbag, figure out what it means that RC made a case against Kid A and then didn't say much at all afterward, and analyze Smudger's hammer.

[Mutleyddmc]

Yer thats right I was the deciding point on the scum getting lynched don't you forget that................

[Alduskkel]

Hurray for you... have a cookie.

Got anything else to say?

[Mutleyddmc]

Mmmmmmm cookie

[Alduskkel]

What do you think of Smudger and TMT?

@TMT: By wildcard I mean you are the odd man out. The only one not on either of the two leading wagons Day 1. Couple your lack of interactions with your sparse posting and you're just plain difficult to read.

[Alduskkel]

This is probably irrelevant but:

Generic I really had no idea what you were trying to aim for with your fishing accusation so please enlighten me on what was fishing because I don't see anything :')

Why in the world did you go with the :') smiley? Are you crying tears of joy that Generic is accusing you of fishing?

[Mutleyddmc]

Smudger could be scum. TMT need to think more about

[Om of the Nom]

This is probably irrelevant but:

Generic I really had no idea what you were trying to aim for with your fishing accusation so please enlighten me on what was fishing because I don't see anything :')

Why in the world did you go with the :') smiley? Are you crying tears of joy that Generic is accusing you of fishing?

nono it's just an in-joke with me and my friends to not use normal smiley faces and alter them all in some way, I guess I did it out of habit :"3

:^}

[Alduskkel]

btw happy scumday!

[Om of the Nom]

Thanks ( フ^v^)フ

[Smudger]

Smudger could be scum.

shucks really, why?

[Smudger]

Happy Birthday Om...

[Mutleyddmc]

Smudger could be scum.

shucks really, why?

Cos you could have been given a PM saying you were mafia

[Smudger]

oh ok glad that has been cleared up

[Mutleyddmc]

I know nearly a tough situation there

[Generic]

vote bub bidderkins

I feel he needs to post more on this, lets see if we can't encourage him back

[yessiree]

It's interesting you say that because I didn't intend to bring WIFOM up. What Bub did looked like a town defending his townread, more so than, a scum trying to salvage his partner. Are you saying town players don't make the same mistakes Bub makes?

p-edit: we'll have to see what Bub have to say

i'm saying that i would expect that play from both town and scum, so it comes up to me as null. i don't see how you can say it goes either way.

Okay just to clear this up, I was saying Bub looked town; no where did I say Bub was null. You guys were only considering that scum Bub defended NTP, so I had to disagree there.

generic says it well:

pp: @ generic: Bub did attack Smudger's hammer vote, in #497, and #499, would a scum player, knowing that his partner just got lynched, still uphold that defiance of an attitude?

But that's my point yessiree.

Say it was me defending NTP so aggressively. Suddenly he is hammered and I stop dead all my defensive comments. NTP flips scum, what do you make of my reaction?
Good scum should know not to drop something just because they know the outcome, that's waaaay too obvious.

great way of phrasing my thoughts exactly.

I still don't get your point. If I had to summarize generic's point, it would be: If a scum player kept defending his partner all day, and that partner ended up getting lynched, then that scum player should keep on defending the lynched one to not be seen as suspicious.

While this is true, it is also true, in my opinion, that: If a town player kept defending his townread all day, and that townread of his ended up getting lynched, then he should question the votes on his townread.

Both of which describes Bub's behaviour on Day 1. We just have a conflict of opinions.

That said, it is then viable for Bub, regardless of alignment, to take a defeatist stance at the beginning of Day 2, as mentioned by Om. However, he said he needs to re-evaluate everything again. This statement from his is also a null tell as it can be seen as coming from either alignment.

BUT, he went ahead and made a post like #517. If that was the conclusions he arrived at after "re-evaluating" everything, then my townread on him would be gone.

He has been rather quiet on Day 2, I'll put him at L-2

VOTE: Bub Bidderskin