ps. you can call me Frog if you want or DRK or Kitty McKittens or anything else that makes sense. Also, I love each and every one of you in a unique way and I hope this makes all of you happy ^_^
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9 confirms in 2 hours? I expect no less than 12 pages of posts by this time tomorrow.
Vote: TheTrollie. I like where Om is going with this.
ps. you can call me Frog if you want or DRK or Kitty McKittens or anything else that makes sense. Also, I love each and every one of you in a unique way and I hope this makes all of you happy ^_^-
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New rule: no one is allowed to use the term "RVS" after this post. If you make a random vote, you can be judged on having made a random vote within the context of the gamestate when that vote was made. If you make a serious vote, you can be judged on having made a serious vote within the context of the gamestate when that vote was made. Trying to neatly divide the game into chunks and phases that it can't actually be divided into is already turning into a massive distraction. Capische? Ribbit.
Rondar stole my thunder of making the super awesome and serious Jennifer vote first, but I guess we can't all be trend-setters.
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In post 61, Dannflor wrote:Is there a reason for voting her other than to sheep Rondar?
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In post 69, DeathRowKitty wrote:(Also, "lighten up, dammit" is a reference to someone's signature.)
Errr...title. I meant title.
Re: stuff directed at me
I voted Jennifer because her initial sequence of two posts seems very dissonant to me. She comes in with what seems to be a serious vote:
In post 17, Jennifer wrote:@Dannflor Why are you avoiding the Trollie wagon? And why did you keep your vote on Slaandar when questioning Elleran for defending Trollie?
Then Dannflor gives a kinda strange explanation of an unexciting situation, votes Elleran, and Jennifer turns a 180 and votes Dannflor's target. What changed her mind? If Dannflor's explanation was enough to make Jennifer move her vote, I find it strange she wasn't voting Elleran over Dannflor to begin with. If Dannflor's vote for Elleran upon being asked why he was voting Elleran is what made her move her vote...well, I don't think I need to explain what would be strange about that.-
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In post 71, joelsdaman1 wrote:DRK, why did you change votes so quickly?
I don't know, man. I really thought my first vote was onto some deep mysteries of the universe and it pained me deeply to change it. If not for the wild hallucinations that told me to vote Jennifer instead, I probably would have ridden that Trollie vote to my grave.
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In post 79, Dannflor wrote:In post 78, DeathRowKitty wrote:Then Dannflor gives a kinda strange explanation of an unexciting situation, votes Elleran, and Jennifer turns a 180 and votes Dannflor's target. What changed her mind? If Dannflor's explanation was enough to make Jennifer move her vote, I find it strange she wasn't voting Elleran over Dannflor to begin with. If Dannflor's vote for Elleran upon being asked why he was voting Elleran is what made her move her vote...well, I don't think I need to explain what would be strange about that.
Now this I do see. But as I said before, Elleran did exactly the same thing, turning a 180 onto Trollies wagon based on something q21 said. It's exactly the same situation.
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In post 82, Dannflor wrote:Alright, who do you think is scummier and why? Jenn of Elleran? I know it's obv Jenn but I'd like further explanation. I want to know exactly what your reads are on each oh them.
Elleran has some strange takes on theory, but theory is theory isfunirrelevant. His original kind of strange dealings with the TheTrollie wagon are something I might have voted him for in a vacuum as a let's-get-out-of-the-"random"-stage-by-jumping-on-the-first-small-thing kind of vote (in fact, my pointing out of Trollie's avatar was more of a reaction test than it was playing along with his joke), but taken in the context of what he said when pressed on it, I don't find it suspicious. I'd say I'm leaning slightly town on him.
Jennifer right now is suspecto numero uno for me. I have a suspecto numero dos, but I'd prefer to keep that under wraps for the time being. It makes me feel like a spy. I know you're jealous~-
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I don't see why it would be more likely to come from scum. He first brought up the excuses thing here, in response to an accusation that he was looking for an excuse for his RVS vote. Now, I'm just gonna throw this out there - it's somewhat ridiculous to think that someone was "looking for an excuse" to join a page 1 RVS wagon on someone that hadn't posted (oh noes, I just broke my own rule about using that term, pls lynch me with lots and lots of rope) in any sort of serious way. Elleran's subsequent responses indicate a perhaps not particularly healthy mindset for that stage of the game, but I absolutely believe that, regardless of his alignment, he actually believes what he posted about it. I suspect you're getting too caught up in the word "excuse", when he almost certainly only chose that word because Dannyflower used it first.In post 86, Jennifer wrote:@DRK Do you buy Elleran's convoluted excuses versus reason explanation?
Hello, there. I would just like you to know that we will NOT be friends if you think there's something wrong with not always giving reasoning up-front. It's a shame because I was really hoping to make some friends this game. I wanted to build a snowman.In post 98, q21 wrote:I don't particularly like the way DRK came in and almost seemed to be advocating for Rondar either. DRK did eventually give some explanation for voting Jennifer, but only after being asked a few times and playing stupid question stupid answer, which seems at odds with DRK's assertion that her (or his, I dunno) Jenn vote was serious - for all the there is a sliver (no more) of validity to DRK's eventually given reasons.Reads like scumbuddies, or scum buddying up to a townie. Either way the impression I get out of that exchange is that DRK is scummy.Getting board of my Elleran vote.UnvoteVOTE: DeathRowKitty
I just want you to know that you seem like a very reasonable person with very reasonable things to say and I very much look forward to hearing what you have to say. Can we be townbuddies?In post 99, goodmorning wrote:This game. Just... this game.Om, Why voting Slandaar? Rondar has posted little as well, as have I and joels and Trollie.Man, I have some questions I'll try to get to this evening.
ps Om, this is a game and I think you should be happy and ----> calm <---- instead of angry. Please? :3-
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See, it took me a good couple minutes to decipher the post you just made (pre-post edit: the post you made before the post you just made) because I read the first two pieces of your post that you quoted, looked back at Danflower's 87, wondered what the fajitas you were smoking that made you see those things in his post 87 and got super-jealous of it, then read the third quote, thought for like 30 seconds that you were adding that to what you believed, and only then realized you meant that you agreed with a single statement in Danflower's 87 and expected anyone to realize that.-
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Well actually I did explain myself and you even summarized my explanation when you brought this up the first time, so I know you've read it. Note that this does not mean I want to be friends.In post 122, q21 wrote:No, it appears we aren't going to be friends if you aren't willing to explain yourself,
Perhaps you're just not reading the right thingsIn post 122, q21 wrote:I have no idea where you get reasonable person with reasonable things to say off of GM's posting? Her posting has primarily seemed scattered and disjoint and largely lacking in reasoning. This comment is buddying and nothing else, which smells a little off to me.
I now know you live in the northern hemisphere~In post 122, q21 wrote:Also, how do you plan to build a snowman in the midde of summer?
When exactly did you start feeling better about him, in terms of posts? It seems like your unvote came out of nowhere in the context of your posts.In post 123, Om wrote:Emphasis on was and I'm feeling lot better about him now due to whole exchange.-
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@q21
That was a typo. I meant "don't live in". Also, I fail to see how my explanation wasn't "timeous". Did anything happen in-between my vote for Jennifer and my explanation of that vote that made my explanation some sort of urgent matter?
The moment passed a long time ago, but I guess this works too.In post 133, Jennifer wrote:In post 105, DeathRowKitty wrote:Hey, Jennifer, are you around? If so, we should have a nice chat about the current goings-on.
Here now. What's up?
I was interested at the time in discussing the Om-Slandaar situation with you and I think we can still do that.
When Om originally voted Slandaar, I didn't really think much of his post and I don't think there's anything wrong with it in a vacuum. It's a sparse post for the amount of content that had been posted since he was last in the thread, but hey, some people don't post about every single thing all the time, y'know? But anyway, the fact that that post (his first "real" post of the game) heavily focused on Slandaar to the exclusion of most of what had happened and led to an instant tunnel seems kind of strange - it almost makes it seem as though he was working from an agenda rather than looking for scum. Of course it's not that simple though. Aggressively coming out of left field on someone that no one else is looking at? Is that what scum do these days? I don't know. What do you think of Om's initial vote --> tunnel, given the circumstances?
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I'm town. And you are too, or so it seems. I can't tell if you took my comment about you being reasonable to be sarcastic or not, but it was mostly serious - you say a lot of off-topic-y things, but you seem to have a decent sense of what's important when you're saying things that are relevant. I'm pretty good at posting lots of off-topic-y things when I want to so even if you don't want to be townbuddies, I'm sure we can work something out.In post 164, goodmorning wrote:OH GOD, I FORGOT TO ASK. Are you Town???[...]Yeah, I can be a very reasonable person when I think of very reasonable things to say. Sometimes it's more fun to introduce massive levity.
In other news
Unvote: Jennifer
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This wagon needs to happen. It would be practically criminal to let him get away with the most awkward jump-off-the-burning-ship unvote ever.
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Uhhh...?In post 169, q21 wrote:That Om vote is the first genuinely townie thing you've done, DRK. Lets see if its a turning of the corner or just an abberation.
It just doesn't make sense at all in relation to the rest of his posts. Look at Om's iso. Up until his unvote in iso #9, he hadn't said anything not about Slandaar without direct prompting to do so since he'd started posting about him in iso #1. The only somewhat positive thing he said about Slandaar was an edit he made to his unvote post before posting it. The unvote was absolutely out of nowhere. Imagine you were eating pretzels and you reached into the bag and pulled out a sock. That sock is Om's unvote and that bag of pretzels in Om's posts. If you disagree though, just read his next two posts. It doesn't look like even he knows what he's saying in that first post. Did he unvote because he was feeling better about Slandaar or because other people have told him Slandaar is town and he wants to read Slandaar's games first? Of course, all that goes away when he makes the second post 9 minutes later. He's made up his mind by then - Slandaar looks townish and it would be pointless to vote someone who's already explained himself.In post 179, Jennifer wrote:@DRK I'm not feeling the Om wagon. How does his unvote seem scummy to you? He had quite a few posts after his initial vote where he was pressing on Slaandar.
It's gonna take a hell of a lot to convince me that any of that came from a townie. If he'd unvoted Slandaar and instantly voted a second scum read on which he thought his vote was better placed, then maybe....but unvoting Slandaar in the midst of saying all sorts of thing he finds scummy about him and then coming up with a combination of quickly-changing reasons for doing so? We wanted pretzels and we got a sock. Lynch the pretzel company.
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The former, unless you magically come up with a believable townish explanation of the latter. Unvoting your top suspect without having anyone new to vote and while still seemingly calling him scum just does not happen. I can't see a townish mindset in which it would happen, I don't think I've ever seen it happen, your explanations don't make any reasonable sense of why it would happen. Add that to your contradictory follow-up posts and...well...let's just say it makes me feel like you would look cute with a rope tied around your neck. And not in the good way.In post 212, Om wrote:@Drk; Your vote is on me because you think you need to lynch me or you want me to explain why I unvoted? I've already done the latter in my follow up post. As for why I didn't vote someone else is because I was too tired and in not so friendly mood due to my exchange with Eldaar.
The Ztrife-Om vote exchange seems really awkward from both sides. I have a feeling that interaction will be useful to look back on later
I feel like there's a rather large ongoing theory disconnect between Elleran and...multiple other players (I think that might be what I was referring to in my last post, but I don't actually remember.). Or at the very least, there are some wording things going on that seem to be getting lost in communication. These issues started within the first few pages with the whole reasons vs excuses debate; now we seem to have it again with the town-looking-for-reasons thing. For the moment, I'm definitely at least leaning town on Elleran. I'm not really sure how to explain why (and I don't think it would be particularly useful with only one vote on him anyway), but I feel like a lot of his play feels very natural if you get past the wording and theory oddities. I don't know. Certainly not my strongest read in either direction.
Blah blah blah other stuff OKAY IMPORTANT STUFF NOW. I would like to speak on the subject of JOEL. I would like to, but the guy doesn't post any content so there's barely anything to say about him. When he does post, we get nothing out of him but weakly-stated positions. It feels like he's been trying very hard to give the impression that he's active lurking, but not posting enough to do so, which reminds me very much of a dead squirrel trying to convince a dog he's actually a flea. I don't like dead squirrels and I don't like dead squirrels that try to pose as fleas.
...Man that explanation got off track quickly. Other than the fact that I don't think he's *trying* to appear like he's active lurking, hopefully it's clear enough anyway.
Unvote: Om
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I haven't forgotten about you Om. I just think we need to go our separate ways for the time being. Really though, it's not you; it's me. I feel like life is passing me by and I need to explore my other opportunities while I still have the chance. We're young, but we're not young enough. We're never young enough. That's just kind of how life goes, isn't it? I truly and sincerely will miss you. Please don't doubt that. I hope that some day in the future, we will be reunited. Please don't doubt that. Even now, it pains me to know that such a reuniting is all I have to look forward to in our future and I really wish it not be bittersweet if and when it should come. Thank you for the good times and great memories. I can think of no one I would rather have shared them with and, given the chance to do it over, I would choose to share them with you again. I hope you can find it in your heart to not think too ill of me for this. I love you.
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I think the terrible dead squirrel analogy was trying to say some of what you're asking me, but lemme try to clarify it -
A dead squirrel can't actually try to convince a dog that it's a flea. Squirrels aren't very good at acting, y'know? And dead squirrels are dead.
I don't imagine dogs are huge fans of dead squirrels (actually...maybe they do...i don't know much about dogs; let's just assume they don't), but they're really just a passive annoyance. But oh how dogs must hate fleas. Why a dead squirrel would want a dog to think it was a flea is absolutely beyond me, even if it were possible.
Replace "dead squirrel" with lurker, "a dog" with "the other players", and "flea" with "active lurker".
...that doesn't make any more sense, does it?
joel's posts feel like active lurking. They're not, since he's not actually maintaining any sort of facade of activity, but with the right time compression of his posts within an appropriately scaled-down game, they could be.
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I really hope this has nothing to do with us :/ I'm sorry, babe.In post 265, Om wrote:@Mod: I probably need a replacement as I'm caught with something in RL and I won’t be able to pay any time for OL stuff for quite a while (2-3 weeks at least), sorry for the trouble.-
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In post 270, Ztife wrote:honestly, too long a RVS (and discussion about getting out of it while still mucking around) for me to see any discussions worth pointing out, at least for most parts of the 1st 10 pages IMHO.
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I agree with literally everything in this post.In post 299, Dannflor wrote:I hate the way Trollie and Slaandar are playing. I don't hate them just their playstyle. Mainly because it makes them impossible to read. When you go "XXX is scum. YYY is town. Nuff Said."... you can't read that at all. Plus you have no idea why this person thinks so and so is scum. While I don't want to discredit their gut reads, it would be nice if they opened up a little and explained their reads a bit more. Just saying, it makes it a lot easier for town to scum hunt. That said, no reads on Trollie yet, Slaandar is leaning town, mainly from his interaction with Om...
I'm occasionally a gut player (or maybe I was at some point and now I'm not anymore) so I can certainly understand playing from gut BUT if you just say "lol x is scum" without any attempt to tie it to some sort of reasoning that anyone else can follow, it's just noise. I'm not saying it even has to be anything solid - if you take a post and isolate one small part of the wording or highlight something you think seems wrong and say "this part feels off; I don't know why, but it does", that gives other playerssomethingto go off of. It means we can look at that part you highlighted and use that as a stepping stone to seeing the post in the same light in which you're seeing it or maybe even put some sort of words or hard reasoning to it.
I've stopped reading posts in this game that say things without giving me any sort of way to understand the conclusion. They're not worth the time to make sense of and it's not worth the time to press an explanation out of each and every unexplained read. If such a poster really cares about having people listen and agree with their positions, they'll attempt with some better way of explaining it eventually (conversely, if such a poster makes no attempt to do so, that too speaks volumes).
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I find joel is scummier. I assume your answer to the reverse question would be something that boils down to you finding TT scummier.In post 306, Elleran wrote:Is there any reason in voting to lynch joels over TheTrollie?
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Post 306 seemed to be implying that TheTrollie was a better lynch largely because you felt his lynch would give us more information than a joel lynch. I guess I should have said this explicitly in my previous post, but my somewhat tongue-in-cheek reply that I prefer the joel wagon because I think he's scummier than TheTrollie was meant to be an implicit counterpoint to which wagon would give us more information.-
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@Trollie
Regarding this, now that Om has replaced out, was there anything specific you were hoping to see in Om's posts that would help to betray his alignment? Also, were you fully caught up at that point? It seems like you were, but it's hard to tell because you skipped straight from commenting on the first few pages to posting only on current events and never addressed pages 5-9 or so.-
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I was hoping the joel wagon would force him into taking hard stances when he posted. I do find him scummy, but I wouldn't have wanted my vote on him over Om if I expected him to just disappear (my strange breakup thing in my unvote post was an intentionally cryptic way of saying I planned on revoting Om) Sad frog is sad. Wouldn't be against a ztrife wagon, but meh. Actually, yeah.
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You'll probably think I'm stupid for asking you this and you are allowed, should you be so inclined, to call me an idiot a maximum of 3 times in your response to this, but....In post 361, Kthxbye wrote:ooor...I'm looking at who jumps on for bad reasons....since, you know, I'm town.
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Okay.Kthxbye wrote:VOTE: q21
Well, at least D2 is easy.
Vote: q21
Why's that? And who's to say there aren't two scum teams or a scum team and a serial killer?In post 428, Psyche wrote:I doubt it was scum who killed him btw, unless he hinted at a PR somewhere. >.>-
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Maaaan.In post 441, Kthxbye wrote:Guess I have to explain it for the not as smart as me's....
It's fairly easy. I'm playing the simple odds game. Near 100% chance odds say 1 scum was on Elleran's wagon. Very good odds (above 50%) say 2 scum were on Elleran's wagon. Let's look at the wagon.
Slandaar,, goodmorning, q21, Nachomamma8,TheTrollie,DannflorKthxbye
I have a town read on Slandaar. Leaning town on Nacho's slot. That leaves q21 and goodmorning. Neither of which give me town vibes. Could easily see both being scum after goodmorning's comment here post 438.
Q's jump back onto Elleran, post 393, is forced.
Bam, scum caught, you're welcome.
I followed your vote thinking it was either based on some sort of night action result or based on literally nothing useful at all. (Yes, following a vote based on nothing useful sounds like a good way to kick of day 2 to me.) Now I'm disappointed.
Aside from that, dude, we need to talk. Are you telling me you spent all day 1 doing nothing of any value whatsoever because you "hate D1's" and that there's a side of you that actually attempts to do useful things that you purposely suppress early on so as to not to have to deal with the game? Not to have to actually participate in something you committed yourself to participating in and that 12 other players are expecting you to take seriously? Ignoring the VCA, there were other things in your pots. Would you not have been able to make an argument withsanereasoning day 1 like you did with the Jennifer thing? Not that I'm a big fan ofbut could you have given ussanitysomethingday 1 other than "I'M A-JUMPIN' ON THE BIG WAGONS, PREPARE YOURSELVES BECAUSE MY HAMMER IS FUCKING HUGE", Mr. Lazy McLazybones?
And for the record, that dress is fucking hideous on you and yes, you do look fat.-
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Massclaiming is awful here:
If we have a vig and he claims, he's confirmed town and dies tonight (this also forces him to take his second and only shot of the game tonight to bring us back to odd numbers). Unless of course we have a doctor who claims and marks himself for death instead. Then our vig can die two nights from now.
If we have a vig and he doesn't claim, then for what reason are we massclaiming? We have 10 players left and 3 vanilla town flips with nothing obvious in the setup to hint at anything except a vig.
If the vig is actually an SK, he simply doesn't claim a killing role and starts rolling through town power roles at night.
Power roles are stronger the longer they stay alive. This massclaim is not happening unless someone has something significantly more solid than let's reveal all our power roles.
Vote: Ztife
Kthxbye is very likely town. I'm pretty much dead null on q21. Ztife has done nothing but opportunistically jump on two easy targets with a minimum of explanation. In conclusion: Ztife for president, vote forPedroZtife-
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Hey, Kthx, do you think all scum were on the wagon? Because, y'know, if you don't, it means there's at least 1 scum out of 5 people on the wagon and at least 1 scum out of 5 people off the wagon. It's kind of like symmetry, in that it's exactly the same and probabilistically, it doesn't matter one bit whether we lynch on or off the wagon. Whoa. And either way, we could say we were lynching based on the person's position with regards to the wagon.Whoa
Even if the above wasn't true, the fact that there was a wagon day 1 does not in any way necessitate lynching someone that was on it. I vote scummy people, not someone-in-a-group-of-5-people-out-of-which-I-suspect-there-is-at-least-one-scum.-
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In post 510, Slandaar wrote:OK We are massclaiming
Vig needs to claim first.
If there is no vig claim there is an SK and any future vig claims will be lynched as such.
You produce a better reason than "I WANT TO KNOW WHO OUR PR'S ARE" or this idea diesnow. Failure to produce a reason or to drop this may as well be a scum claim.-
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Massclaims
on day 2
are
inherently
stupid.
The fact no.
The conf...no
The chance of no.
Claiming we are not.
My position in this massclaim is no because it is not happening.
If we have a vig, no.
Unvote: Ztife
Vote: Slandaar
100% serious about this vote. A massclaim right now does absolutely 100% nothing except out PRs for scum to take aim at and it is not happening.-
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Yeah, no, everything you said in that post is bullcrap.
Did you know that if we massclaim, the odds we lose a power role tonight are 28/28? 28/28 is a bigger number than 16/28, so clearly is must be better, right?In post 515, Slandaar wrote:Losing one PR tonight to the vig/scum is the same as letting the scum know who the PR's are to shoot tonight it is LITERALLY THE SAME THING and the odds of that happening are actually fairly high scum having a 3/7 or 3/6 without PR considerations if not 4/7 4/6 then vig is 2/8 or 3/8 ... this means if we don't lynch scum today odds we lose a PR best case is 3/7 and 1/4 which is eh like 16/28
But that's okay, you covered that in your post. Scum could have a rolecop, so it's possible that this role that there's some non-zero chance they have happened to investigate a town power role in the one night it's had a chance to action. Therefore scum might hit a PR tonight. Where did this scum rolecop idea even come from?
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I have decided
that Slandaar is scum
and scum have a rolecop. Probably.
You mentioned a scum rolecop twice as a reason massclaim was beneficial. The hilarious irony in this is the second thing you said in your long failpost:
So tell me, what if instead of a rolecop, scum have the more popular ROLEBLOCKER. Well shit man, that would suck, wouldn't it? But no, scum have a ROLECOP. Where would that speculation even come from?Slandaar wrote:He is basically trying to stand up for whats generally considered standard while clearly not thinking about the situation-
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Oh man oh man oh man oh man
HERE BE SLANDAAR'S ISO
After his iso #4, in which he talks to Dannflor, plus or minus like 2 posts where he gives a sentence in direct response to someone, he doesn't talk to ANYONE except Om, kthx, and Elleran for the ENTIRE rest of the day. Oh yeah, you were definitely actually scumhunting Slandaar.Most definitely
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In post 526, Slandaar wrote:I already said its a trade of odds and due to the ridiculously high odds we lose a PR anyway its a fantastic trade to narrow odds of lynch/vig scum.
Okay, okay, here's a scenario for you:
we run someone up to L-1.
They claim.
If they claim VT, MC wouldn't have done anything.
If they claim a PR, well wow, we just got the scummiest person to claim first.
It's like, amazing. It's almost as if massclaim doesn't help us at all and you didn't think this through at all from a town perspective. It's so weird.-
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