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1. How many games have you played to completion on this site?
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2. Do you play Mafia on other sites? If so, what is different about thosesites vs. here?
I play on epicmafia, chatbased. PR/vanilla and mafia/town ratio is generally higher.
3. Do you consider yourself an experienced player?
Not with forum mafia, still got a load to learn.
4. Which other players in this game have you played with in the last six months?
Vi, Porkens and Col. c.
5. Do you prefer to be Town, scum, or third party? Why?
I like both.
Town becouse you got to hunt for scum instead pretending to do so.
Scum becouse you have more information to use, and manipulating town can be fun.
Have to play more forum games to get a real prefered allignment.
6. Who is your favorite fictional character, and why?
Not really a favorite.
7. How many scum do you think are in this game?
3 or 4, 25% rules seems often applied on site, so 3 is more likely.
8. Why are you filling this survey out?
Way to gain more discussion and get out of RVS.
9. Do you think this survey will be useful in finding scum?
Not directly, no.
10. Am I more likely to be Town or scum in creating this survey?
Would see it doing by eather allignment. It seems pro-town, so I would say town.
11. Is English your first language?
No.
12. What scumtell have you found to be most effective?
Has not lynch scum yet as town(or any finished town games for that matter), so I might have to find a effective one. On Epicmafia, the ¨why me?¨ tell is rather effective.-
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@Porkens, how is this different from the questions I asked in newb 803? It was not a survey, but it where questions not with the game itself related. Like how did you discover mafia, or importance of the RVS stage. It gets a game out of RVS and I would see it as a good thing happening to a game.
Why is the survey of Vi suspicious. And the questions I asked at that time not? Is it being a survey a big thing? (I was scum, but at that time you did not suspect me at all)-
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How does my allignment in that game change the fact you used double standards?Porkens wrote:Jammer, you're acting like Frank Dekkard from Blade Runner here, which could be awesome; your memory is a little selective, but you still play it cool. The fact that you'd reference a play you made, as scum, to accuse me of double standards gives me an early indication that you are, in fact, one of the 3 scum in this game.
I would be doing that survey regardless of allignment. It was helpfull in getting out of random voting. It is good to start some discussion. But I agree you should loose focus on it if discussion is attracting.Porkens wrote:Let me ask you something; do you think that, if you had been town in that newbie game, your survey would have been helpful in finding scum? Naturally, and grounds for conversation is valid, but this survey business is flawed, as I've pointed out before, because people don't realize it's not about the answers, and they focus on the questions.
Porkens wrote:And of course I suspected you. I played along with your game, but I knew it was you all along. My life-long relationship with the English language has left me with a remarkably accurate sense of perception about such things.-
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I interfere with the transmission of information? What do you mean?sigma wrote:Jammers interfere with the transmission of information. More information is good for town, ergo interfering with it is anti-town. QED.
Higher psychologie, I knew it. Er.., eh?James.Denholm wrote:Well, that's the thing. If Vi has done what I think he's done, these questions have been structured carefully so that only Vi really knows how to interpret them. So we give him a tonne of information, and he gives nothing back.
It's all a conspiracy... Can't you see? Can't you see?! *Grabs tin foil*
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1. There is a clear difference between my play there and Vi play here.(if that is your point)Porkens wrote:1. You draw a similarity between your play in that Newb game with Vi's play here.
2. You say I didn't suspect you for that play in that game.
3. You were scum.
4. Wouldn't you expect that I'd learn from my mistake?
2. Yes.
3. Yes.
4. Uh?
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@Y.C, as I am not looking at it as anti-town. I am not cooperating with a policy lynch, and very doubtful you get enough followers for doing it.
Your stance on policy lynching the one that started the survey, is indeed anti-town. You focus your attention towards Vi the survey maker. And are not actively trying to hunt for scum. Would a simple way to remove most of this aftersurvey talk, not simply to remove you from the game?
Why the focus on the survey, and lynching the one that started it?
Any nasty experiences with surveys?
You vote someone, with as reason you do not like his play. And not becouse you think he is mafia. You start to talk about side-tracking, but who is the one side-tracking from finding scum?
@Col. C, When I looked at the playerlist, that was the moment I noticed Afatchic is in the game. For some reason noone noticed his absense in all of this. And I would like it if he started talking.-
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I can not see why not give him the time. It can not hurt town, only help.
Also for purely selfish reasons I do not want to end this instantly, as another one is hitting deadline. And 2 games in night at the same time is rather lame, been there.
Also, 48 hours from now would be perfect, as a V/LA of 3 days is gonna hit by then.
@RC, V/LA, from wednesday till friday.
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@TMJ, if it was not said before, your vote was quite blantently sheeping.
It is hypocrite to vote someone else to get them participate if you do little yourself. Besides I think there are others who did less.
As you keep your vote on YC now he is being wagoned, what is the main reason you keep this vote?
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Just playing around a little with the votes. Testing something out a little.Vi wrote:jammer, why are you voting according to a set policy?
Then I made a wrong impression, I think YC actions are worthy of being voted. The lacking of YC currently, gets me to look at other players.DeathRowKitty wrote:@jammer
You seem disinterested in the YC wagon. What do you think of YC's actions?
Well, after relooking at YC.
1) YC, goes against Viś survey like it is the worst possible. YC was not the only one. But his reaction was certainly more aggresive towards Vi. YC did also not react strongly when the survey was mentioned the first time and just random voted. But became aggresive towards Vi when others outed their distrust against the survey.
2) Calling for mod interference and for a policy lynch on Vi for utterly strange reasons.
No words..
3) Immediately after Porkens mentions his fake-railing, he drops the attack on Vi.
Support went, attack on Vi went.
With 1) and 3), I´d love to ask YC(if he would not be replaced), how to respond how it worked with the survey-fight combinated with the support.
I liked to hear more from YC, including the analysis, but that is not going to happen.
The coming replacement is rather annoying becouse (s)he can not explain any of YC actions.
And with Tjoe, his actions could be becouse he is newish(or something), as Cruciare said. I want to hear more from him.
I don´t think you anwsered this one. What did you mean with this line?Tjoe Min Ja wrote:lol...there are still many to convinced
@RC, a change in plans, you can scrap the V/LA.
Also, prodd James D, if you´ll like
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We can not ignore how YC played, but we got a replacement who is not likely to anwser for YC.DeathRowKitty 109 wrote:In your opinion, how should we treat the replacement? (Should we immediately look for more votes? Should we take votes off? Should we look for new targets? etc.)
And imo, you should always look around for new targets.
But as you said later, I agree. I highly doubt pops will change my mind about YC.
That said,
Unvote: James.Denholm; Vote: popsofctown
Do you think YC is scum or not?James.Denholm wrote:Generally, I've got a fair scum reading on Y.C, now popsofctown. Incredibly strong tunnelling, willing to lynch a townie on policy, the whole mod involvement thing, accusing votes of being pushed, and now dropping out of the game and letting someone else take over. That said, my gut says no, that perhaps he was just excitable. It will be interesting to see which is right.
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Where did Cruciare say that?jammer 107 wrote:And with Tjoe, his actions could be becouse he is newish(or something), as Cruciare said.Cruciare 92 wrote:As for TMJ, coming from a guy who called Vi "dumb head" in his first (?) post, all I'm getting is a null read. I've seen players like him before, and in most cases (when they're not pretending), that kind of behaviour was not indicative of their alignment. Questioning them also proved largely useless because their answers didn't make any more sense than their general behaviour. 82 did raise some eyebrows however, so I'll watch for his future commentaries.Vi 113 wrote:@J.D - I wouldn't say I'm a great scum player; the last game I completed was my first scum win and I only got that because a Townie gave up in LyLo.
It seems you did something right after all.Wiki of Vi wrote wrote:I was nominated for a Scummy for this game... but it wasn't thirded. But I got accepted into BaM for it, so I'll take that ^.^-
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yepVi wrote:jammer, are you comfortable with pops at L-1? Since you kinda put him there.
I gues I misunderstood Cruciare... But ok, I see actions I would write down towards newish.(altrough he does not call himself new, altrough new to the site) And, I see new players more likely to drop scumtells as any allignment.Vi wrote:And... I'm not seeing anything where Cruciare called TMJ a newb, especially since TMJ explicitly said he's not one. Even so, how would newbiness affect your judgment here?
Call me careless, but I do not really care about if a vote is L-1 or the first vote on someone. I am not about to hammer someone out of the blue but I would easy put any other one on a wagon. You are accusing me for a speedlynch?sigma wrote:His first post after pops comes in is a vote that puts pops at L-1. If Y.C was so suspicious that pops couldn't possibly change your mind, then why weren't you voting him to begin with? Why put pops at L-1 when he's barely had a chance to talk, much less claim his role or do some decent scum-hunting?
I looked at YC in detail a day before I voted him, the whole accusion of you on me is a delayed vote of YC..
Posts/day are fine imo. I don´t know what the average is. But I don´t think this game is awfully slow or something.DeathRowKitty wrote:Post 4 - Post 90 were August 29-31, the first three days of the game. Post 91 - Post 134 were September 1 - September 3. We're down to less than 15 posts per RL day and only a few of those are moving the game forward.
I am sure I will keep doing it.DeathRowKitty wrote:I don't want to explain too much about jammer at the moment. There are certain connections I think we should look more into with jammer when we know an alignment or two. I prefer not to give away too much now. It's better to present arguments against someone in bulk (That's why I didn't mention anything about jammer's second post until Cruciare's post saying he didn't like jammer's posts from the third onwards). Also, if jammer is scum, there's no reason to tell him what to avoid doing.
That is pretty much the obvious claim scum would make, imo.popsofctown wrote:I'm not vanilla town, i'm doctor. Day 1 doctor death again.
I give up.
But, for the moment.
unvote
Vote: afatchic
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Well you and Porkens already voted him for a reason. I was basically sheeping your votes. The pressure vote was better then voting noone at all.Vi wrote:jammer, why vote the fat chick?
What is so hard about quoting anything that did not seem right with you. You can put aafatchic wrote:Despite all that i just said, i would much rather see a lynch on either Cruciare or imaginality today. A lot of what they have been saying hasn't been siting right with me, however I am not exactly sure how to put a case together on them. This is generally my problem, i am not an english or logic major, so i generally get bandwagoned for miscommunication due to the fact that i can rarely get my point across the way i intend for it to sound.caseon me, but can find nothing at all on them?
You just contradicted yourself there, you´ve seen before scum would attack a claimed PR.Col.Cathart wrote:I think, the scum would be far too careful to actually attack someone when he just claimed PR. Jammer wasn't at the time in Newbie 803, and that was pretty much the point, when he lost a perfect game. Giving up, and going in other (single) direction seems more like a scum behavior, mostly because it's much safer.
Also, I´d like J.D to anwser some of pops questions.
And a few new questions.
JD, why is the survey a scumtell?
Who is scum?
Prodd: J.D.
Done
Unvote: afatchic
Vote: J.D.
You are streching this idea far. I do not think unvoting you makes anyone more likely scum.popsofctown wrote:col. 203 is too good, have been thinking the same thing.
The players who don't have the balls to lynch me after i claimed PR are likely scums.
@imaginality, if pops claimed vanilla towny, would you like him lynched in that case?
@DeathRowKitty, you did not want to put a case on me becouse there was already another lynch target? Why not going after somoene you suspect at the moment you see it? If my behaviour changes after you pointed out my scummy behaviour, would that not be another tell for scum trying to get back onbeingtowny track?
Offtopic,
Who are you on epicmafia?afatchic wrote:4)Vi, Porkens. Imaginality, Jammer and RedCoyote on EpicMafia
Also I get, Fatal error: Out of memory errors, anyone else with this issue?-
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One of the reasons you vote pops, is that you are not getting lynched?Tjoe Min Ja wrote:if by lynching pops may bring me closer to day 2 and get more information..that's the price that I have to take
I think RoleTjoe Min Ja wrote:(I don't buy claimed role - I thought some mod also doing modkill if player doing roleclaim?)name,in the sense a role could have got a seperate name added due to flavor, that is retricted to be claimed becouse it could take advantage of the role PM.
Not adding much value towards Porkens thing(if I think I know what it is). Seen to less, to stop it from being bare coincidence.
@RC, I am going to ask a few stupid questions, be prepared.
If someone got the most votes at deadline(but not L-0), if noone else got that number of votes, shall he live or die?
He would live. A player must have a majority of votes (7 today) in order to be lynched, anything less is a no lynch.
Timezone and exact time of deadline?
It may notexactlybe Noon, but it will be fairly close. CST = Central Standard Time.-
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Nope, does the voting bother you?Sotty7 wrote:jammer
Do you always throw your vote around so much?
So note: You´re not voting him, see no reason to not trust his doc claim. But doesn´t seem bothered at all with him being voted. Even poking him to make a testament before he dies.afatchic wrote:Pops- Can you please make a nice detailed post about each player and your thoughts on them, as well as who you would like to see lynched in the upcoming days and why... Consider this like your last will and testament since a few people have already said they will hammer you at deadline.
As for the pops vs. TMJ business. It seems those are becoming the lynch targets, I am fine with lynching any of those two. Thinking about it, I think TMJ is the best lynch.
Unvote: Sotty
Vote: TMJ-
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Good to know you appreciate my play.Vi wrote:Cut by jammer: Nice to see that you don't have many thoughts beyond the bare minimum
The TMJ vs. pops business. Let me elaborate.
Pops is acting scummy however you turn it. But he is a claimed doc, if real he might very well be handy. Altough not a comfirmable claim.
If his claim is fake, that is likely going to bite him in the ass(as porkens said) at some point.
TMJ is well, TMJ. Looking at it, I doubt you could draw a solid conclusion out of him later. Is it part of his playing style or is it real scummy behaviour. If we don´t lynch him today, I think we are likely to lynch him at some point later in the game.
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I am fully ready to move my vote on pops to get him lynched. I do prefer the one that is not a claimed doctor.Cruciare wrote:I did say that I would be willing to move my vote as necessary, but Pops being so close to lynch (CLOSER THAN TMJ, HINT HINT) makes me not really want to, and I think others may feel the same. If this psychological lockdown persists until deadline, it would be quite bad. I think the only person who's seriously against TMJ is Pops himself, am I wrong? To the rest of you who are voting TMJ becase you are against lynching a possible doctor Day 1, please realise that if he really is the doctor he would most probably die tonight anyway. PLEASE DO NOT WASTE A DAY ON A COMPLETE GAMBLE LYNCH THAT DOESN'T TELL US VERY MUCH (I.E. TMJ).
I am not solely voting TMJ becouse pops is doc. TMJ got scummy behaviour, at worst we lose a unhelpful and unreadable pro-town player with lynching TMJ. Who would always be a ¨What do we do with him?¨ if kept alive. Might be a playing style he looks so scummy, but lynching TMJ will likely continue being a gamble if that is the case.
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Ok, afatchic. You state you're not supporting pops wagon. Why didn't you do anything to stop a pops lynch?afatchic wrote:So with that said, i have no reason to believe he is not a doc. So yeah, i am playing with some certainty that he is the doc. I think it would be an absolute terrible play to lynch a claimed PR today.
I'm gonna reread and comment on a few other things i wanted to comment on last night, but was too tired to do so.
Pops- Can you please make a nice detailed post about each player and your thoughts on them, as well as who you would like to see lynched in the upcoming days and why... Consider this like your last will and testament since a few people have already said they will hammer you at deadline.
You just leaned back, "lynching pops is bad!", "pops make your testomony". To me it seemed you did not really mind the wagon on the the player you looked at "with some certainty that he is the doc".
You took a stand on pops, but did't do anything with it.
This seem pretty off, now TMJ flipped scum, and kitty was pushing hard on pops a few posts before it.DeathRowKitty wrote:
I'll be around another hour or two and I figured I'd wait to vote to see if anyone tried to make too strong a push for either candidate without strong reason (trying to save a scumbuddy). I would've voted earlier if I'd realized TMJ had 4 votes.Vi wrote: I'm surprised to see that DRK isn't voting anyone, especially after that last post.
Vote: pops
@imaginality, any particulair reason TMJ lost your attention yesterday?
Let me see.
Vote: afatchic
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A survivor doesn't know the amount of mafia. Doubtful he would claim with a certain amount of players left to yell "let vote NL!". I mean, what would you do with a claim like that at any time?
I would not count a survivor town, but not scum as well. A survivor might be NK'd at some point, or just (accidentally) help to get scum lynched. A survivor is neutral, not much help for town or mafia much.
Also Porkens, taking third parties as scum, in MtG you mislynched once, and that lynch made town lose.
And what do we learn from this? We might have more or less scum players. Speculating about the ammount is not going to help finding scum.
More clear said.Vi wrote:OMG UR SETUP SPECULATING-
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Firstly, I'm sorry RC,I request replacement. Slowly getting bored with mafia overall, and less time left for this in the near future. Better to replace out now then accidentelly flake out of the game later.
Sorry to hear that, jammer. I will start looking for a replacement.
I'll anwser questions about my play. As I doubt my replacer is able to anwser those.
If there are any urgent questions a replacer is not likely to anwser, ask now.
Properly, I was randomly voting someone without much reason to test a response. The reason itself, the lurkervote should be obvious.Ojanen wrote:@jammer:
Please explain properly what you were testing, and what was the result.post 107 you wrote:Just playing around a little with the votes. Testing something out a little.
As for the result. afatchic pretty much didn't mind/ignored the vote(neutral). While James responded to the vote, and felt to ask why he was voted(somewhat scummy).
Also I did not really mind the vote from TMJ that much at first. Looked at it, meh ok. It took some time before someone mentioned the (scummy) vote from TMJ. And then I found the latter reasoning TMJ gave worse then just sheeping from Vis reasoning, "getting Y.C. to talk more".James.Denholm wrote:
Say what? Just randomly vote <b>me why<b/> don't you.jammer wrote:Unvote: afatchic; Vote: James Denholm
You're misunderstanding, I voted TMJ for, 1) Not being doc, 2) Not going to be a help as town 3) unreadable (with a nuture doing scummy things).
And no, I did not feel a strong feeling to get pushing for a TMJ lynch over pops.
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