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[NorwegianboyEE]

Expectations are high.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also i keep thinking Pooky is flipping me off.

[NorwegianboyEE]

norwee is not allowed to vote me this game he owes me big

It’s not my fault you had to lead your certain someone with a carrot to catch the certain obvscum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Farkran i mostly signed up because of you, but seeing Luca, Pooky and etc also was encouraging.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Menalque
Pre-emptive strike.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who cares about scum, let’s find Hectics alt.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I can tell scum will attempt to pocket Farkran if he is town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Alright "Day" let’s see what lies behind that mask for the scooby doo reveal.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m going to do Skitter a favour and not pretend like i can read them if they promise the same.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Have fun y’all. I expect 50 new pages for me to browse through while sipping Earl Grey early tommorow.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sujimichi seemed to be trying very hard to escape RVS from early on so townpoints for that.
Skitter pushing Ydrasse scumread early pings mildly town.
Chara bringing up specific meta example on Ydrasse also townish.
Ydrasse emotional reaction to being pushed is not something i will base my read on her on, AtE lame.
Post 477 very town.
481, sure. But can we trust your judgement to be unbiased? I don't townread you yet so i see this as a huge threat. Fite me bro.
497, If Sujimichi's supposedly stilted posts are "all of them" it means they could just be what you see as awkward sounding at all times. This is also proved by you claiming he was stilted in a previous game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Very early and shitty reads list

Town
- Day

Townping
- Sujimichi
- skitter30
- Chara

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- Ydrasse
- Something_Smart
- Luca Blight
- PookyTheMagicalBear
- Menalque
- Farkran
- Alisae
- LegoLucy

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Pooky
Poetry is scummy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wow Norwegian, who so defensive lol

I actually do SR 534. I’ll go into detail when I’m on a computer

Defensive Norwee is town Norwee.
Looking forward to it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I just won Team Mafia being hardpushed from day 1. Nothing can phase me anymore. I am invincible.
I suggest you to pocket me to avoid the inevitable embarrassment that scumreading me entails Luca.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m literally not attacking him at all

You just said you scumread my post so i don't know why you're not making it seem like you never attacked me in the first place.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m literally not attacking him at all

You just said you scumread my post so i don't know why you're making it seem like you never attacked me in the first place.

EBWOP

[NorwegianboyEE]

That was more of an joke, i’m referring to your post about scumreading my catch up post.
Which is for what reason btw?

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s like you’re worried, which again I don’t get if you’re Town.

Your words, not mine.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think you are wrong, can you explain to me why you are not wrong?

I could be wrong, my reads are not final by any means. But i don't see their posts as scummy. Not faulting you if you do, but i'd need to be convinced because there are scummier slots right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yes, Pooky is having too much fun. Truly an terrifying notion.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think you are wrong, can you explain to me why you are not wrong?

I could be wrong, my reads are not final by any means. But i don't see their posts as scummy. Not faulting you if you do, but i'd need to be convinced because there are scummier slots right now.

I believe you are talking about pooky? Or would you include someone else?

If so, what's scummier from them than my read on Day?

I think Pooky is acting like scum with their "fun takes" on Ydrasse/Hectic scum team and then seemingly switching to Sujimichi like it ain't no thing.
Like they are trying to act super friendly, but in an unnatural way. And then their Suji vote solidifies how it all just feels fake.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah, that ringed wrong to me too, but like... too wrong to be scummy?

+ i have been townleaning pooky for his earlier posts

I can relate to your position but don't understand why day is less scummy

I'm in the opposite position where i don't see the reasoning behind why Day is more scummy but i would like to understand why you believe this.
Can you go more in depth behind your scumread on Day?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I dunno why you vibing so much with me Alisae, that seems rather rare. But i'm not complaining.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The defense on ydrasse sounds poor effort/fake

I don't think it was intended as a defense of Ydrasse at all, just saying that scumreading or townreading them based on their reaction is likely to be a bad path to follow. Which i think is a good point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

that vote on suji doesn't make sense for anyone who played with suji in the past

I don't think you would be knowledgeable enough about Day to make this sort of decision about whether an vote on Suji at this point is scum indicative for them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Both Day and Pooky voted Suji, but Pooky's vote seems more opportunistic than Day. Day said they thought Luca's read wasn't fake and thusly followed up with an vote on Suji.
Again, it's early and either one of us could be on the right or wrong path here. But i'm seeing Pooky's read development as overall more scummy than Day. And i also scumread Pooky more by their tone, Day i'm not that familiar with but i trust them more than other slots at this point.
It's also of note that Pooky voted Suji later than Day did, while Day's vote seemed more spontaneous/natural, conclusively it does not seem to have been an calculated decision from Day.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why is there a traditional and a new VC. (Also i like the old one a lot better)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Both Day and Pooky voted Suji, but Pooky's vote seems more opportunistic than Day. Day said they thought Luca's read wasn't fake and thusly followed up with an vote on Suji.
Again, it's early and either one of us could be on the right or wrong path here. But i'm seeing Pooky's read development as overall more scummy than Day. And i also scumread Pooky more by their tone, Day i'm not that familiar with but i trust them more than other slots at this point.
It's also of note that Pooky voted Suji later than Day did, while Day's vote seemed more spontaneous/natural, conclusively it does not seem to have been an calculated decision from Day.

You would think after that TM game where you were horribly wrong for almost the entire game you would've gotten some humility lol

Why do you have to be so rude. If you read the TM game then you should know that my reads become ass when town starts insulting and belittling me, so if you’re doing this as town here then that’s really disgusting.
I’m worried you’re just trying to discredit me now, "oh look at Norwee, he is town but always has bad reads ;((("

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like instead of engaging me on my read Pooky is just saying i’m town and wrong, and then attacking Alisae, it gives me a bad taste in the mouth.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I didn’t really townread Alisae but i agree on their points that Pooky’s case looks like mostly omgus and it’s too confident for this point in the game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I do lean town on Alisae now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Alisae saying they regret posting when Luca/me were arguing pinged me town as well when thinking back on it, their argument that seeing if me/Luca would bring specific supporters on either team and would have been valuable input, is a town mindset.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It makes it feel like a fake thought process for Alisae not to consider arguably the most likely scenario statistically speaking of both of them being town, and that might be because they

want

to see the situation as having 1 scum in it as it helps their win con.

You could say that about anyone trying to solve. Just because someone says it’s more likely SvT doesn’t mean they didn’t consider the possibility of TvT.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Using probability of "but it’s always more likely TvT than SvT" just seems a bit odd to me as an leading argument for why you believe Alisae!scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

town alisae is more likely to think about T/T whereas scum alisae is just looking for mis-elims

Do you have any examples of this?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ydra I think is townie so far but like if she dies it probably helps me ig. Either pooky is right, I'm wrong, and I need to reassess or pooky is just scum.

I guess you’re right here, but i don’t think it’s a very strong argument.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You mean the possibility you are town and wrong about Alisae?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wanna hear more from Suji and Menalque.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You’re going to just leave us on that cliffhanger huh Ydrasse.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee did I misread you our last game together or am I imagining things? I think it was a lrge

Mbos? I checked and you townread me but was paranoid and thought that meant i could be scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Okay cool I must have imagined it then

What did you wanna hear from me anyhow?

Just what your thoughts are. And you shared them so...

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m not really townreqding you here but I’m not sure how much influence seeing Luca say that he doesn’t TR u might be having on my perception

I don't get their read on me, and until they explain why exactly their thoughts have become this way i'm not going to bother and i hope nobody else does either because it's just wrong.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I didn’t really townread Alisae but i agree on their points that Pooky’s case looks like mostly omgus and it’s too confident for this point in the game.

This is weak, Town!Norwee is better than this

Lmao.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wanna give Pooky another chance so...
Suji has not posted since day start and that kinda killed my townlean.
VOTE: Sujimichi

[NorwegianboyEE]

Luca you’re probably just way over your head. Thinking you’re the best player ever at reading me, even though we’re still in freaking day 1.
Only Shirou is that good at reading me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And in another recent game I read him as scum day 1, pushed hard for his elim D2 but I ended up being eliminated over him lol

You wanna know why? Because you push me early when nothing i do can even be remotely construed as scum indicative. If you let me live for 2-3 days it will be bloody obvious that i’m either town/scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So convenient now Ali and Pooky have made up

So what? I think Pooky has been looking more townie and that means scum is somewhere else, Suji not posting means your point about them could have been right.
You’re not trying to see the thread from my town!POV but just assuming i would do this as scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Luca since when did you go from objective solving to "fuck it, i’m always right because gut" FL style pushing?

[NorwegianboyEE]

like I really enjoy this PL

and I like this game a lot

and I really enjoy dancing with Skitter.

so I don't really get why people seem to think my pushes are pushing for elimination.

I don't like killing people.

Unless I'm like scum

then I really like killing people

but even then this is a bit soon :3

This post is why i unvoted Pooky btw.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Your Suji vote means your earlier defence of them was complete BS, and I knew it at the time. Why would them not posting (check their profile, they haven't been online) mean they are more likely scum? Why does it mean my point about them is more likely right? Expand pls

It was a shitty early game read, why are you acting like a light defense of someone before realizing they could be scum due to circumstances outside of them such as:
A: Alisae/Pooky could be TvT
B: Suji hasn’t posted in forever
C: There is no real obvious scum anywhere else.
Is somehow not an valid reason for voting there?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If anything, scum!me would probably just keep voting Pooky because reconsidering requires effort and i don’t do that as scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Luca thinks men are disgusting. #Girlpower

[NorwegianboyEE]

Suji not posting isn't AI, they haven't been online

Please grasp that fact and revise your stance accordingly ty

Very well, i apologize profoundly and deeply regret my shameful actions.
*bows down to knees*

[NorwegianboyEE]

Suji not posting isn't AI, they haven't been online

Please grasp that fact and revise your stance accordingly ty

Very well, i apologize profoundly and deeply regret my shameful actions.
*bows down to knees*

Do you still think them pushing the game out of RVS is Town-indicative?

Maybe, maybe not.
Why do you think i’m voting them?
Because i’m super sure about my read? Is that what you thought?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m fairly sure this is town!Luca. Which means i’m likely better at reading him than he is at reading me. Lmao.
I just don’t see what scum!him gains from this when most of the other slots in the game says they have me as townlean. Unless he desperately wants me to be scumread, but that’s not the vibe i’m getting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Feels bad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Literally nothing i’ve done is scummy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do me a favour and tell me where you think scum would be if you removed me from the equation and pretend i’m confirmed town from your POV. So i can know where your head would be at.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think you should consider that i just came from a game where i had to fight tooth and nail against both scum and town that were set on mislimming me, and that includes FL. And came out of it alive but emotionally scarred. So FORGIVE me captain, for feeling a little tiny bit defensive when someone starts saying they will read me as an open book and comes to the wrong fucking conclusion.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Then again i find myself once again questioning votes against suji when i don't even townread him

It's just... that every vote on him seems so opportunistic it hurts, he has literally done nothing scummy. Sure he did nothing towny either, but this is consistent with the suji, currently it's like tossing a coin and i think i am concerned by the fact that he is top wagon just because of that

With the exception of Luca, it seems that people are like "fuck i don't know what to do, uh... *panic* i'll vote suji"

I was also considering voting Mena with Alisae, but i just want to see Suji post something.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do you think Ali could be pocketing you here, Norwee?

Not really.
And if they are it's too early to tell.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Please Luca, i don’t want to argue with you.
Give it a rest.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m not replicating anything.
Ever just played a game normally and then had someone get all up your face about not playing to town meta, whatever that is? Also i think it’s strange for you to not consider that literally everyone here are somewhat familiar with my meta and they clearly don’t agree with you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok that’s ridiculous.
I can live with you scumreading me for some dumb reason. But Farkran is not playing like scum here, and to push an team of me/him is peak ignorance.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I haven’t even been close to hostile, this is some ectreme restraint i’m showing because i simply believe you can play this bad as town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do you want to expand on your hard TR on Farkran?

First of all, it’s not a hard townread. Your words, not mine. I simply stated Farkran is not playing like scum.
Second, i was mostly denouncing your theory of an team including me and Farkran.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I haven’t even been close to hostile, this is some ectreme restraint i’m showing

because i simply believe you can play this bad as town

.

What's this based on?

You scumreading me, and now also Farkran. It’s an extremely anti-town solve from my POV since i know i’m town and believe Fark is not likely scum and would be an extremely bad elimination anyway since they will probably come up with a very good solve if they are not scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I actually feel a little bad for Norwee as it must suck being caught like this so easily, but I can't help but strongly push my SR

What pisses me the fuck off is your hubris.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Don't do this "Oh Norwee feels so bad because i caught him shit." It makes me wanna scream at you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You can keep voting me, you can do whateve you want. But don't make fucking assumptions about my mindset like that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I apologize in advance, i know i might be sounding really tilted right now. But something about the way you worded that just makes me really mad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@fark since i posted

Eh i guess

Why am i the only one townreading you?

But like it's not a minor tr, i think i can bet the game on that and i don't understand why my views are so different than anyone else's atm

How the f do you guys scumhunt?

Or townhunt for what matters, i.e. i remember Chara saying it's good at townhunting in undertale (even though it was scum there), we could use some of that too

I also TR Alisae.

[NorwegianboyEE]

(Ali, fark, day)?

This is your solve? Mehhh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Norwee is part of the village because he went through thought process and talked about how sometimes on different time if someone fought him he would think the attacker was a wolf but for Luca he didn't think that. He said Luca was bad at the game. Luca would only be bad at the game if Luca is guessing Norwee's rolecard wrong. Of course it could be a lie that Norwee is telling but Norwee just the meander path of his thoughtstream doesn't go there as much if norwee were to be a wolf, norwee would spend more time on other things. I think.

Menalque he has been quiet but early on I remember a small good feeling i don't remember why. I think it is bad that he is not wonder about skitter. even if it is not how he can win as villager i think he would wonder you can see the different with pooky pooky wonder if Ydrasse is good or is she is bad even though he decided he will not vote her either way

Why are you saying you think i’m town and voting me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I read Norwee based on how he solves. When he's Town his thought-process and posting is so natural, his takes so logical, his insights so brilliant, and I tend to agree with just about everything he says. His progressions are flawless. Nothing like what I've seen this game. I could go into so much detail on this but I don't want to spoil the meta tells I have

He's capable of shitposting as either alignment, so his RVS play is NAI. I've seen him get emotional and frustrated as both alignments. I will say that frustration is

perhaps

more likely from Town!him, but I really believe it to be NAI in this situation due to context.

That's why I keep asking him to ignore me, because if he is Town then the only way I'll see it is from him solving.

This is some ridicolous burden of proficiency shit you’re pulling when you literally scum cased me early day 1 and haven’t even like given me time. Sometimes you have a slow game because there’s not much to go on yet.

[NorwegianboyEE]

A big part of luca’s case also seems to be about my Suji vote, but i think you’re clearly misunderstanding my intentions there. I was never voting there because i expected the wagon to go through and a Suji flip, i just wanted to put some pressure to see how they would react. Something you ruined by suddenly casing me with super confidence out of nowhere.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway i think Mena might legit be bad news so far and i scumread them more than Suji from the start. I just wanted to see how the game would react around wagons such as Suji, and maybe even help me solve Mena even better.
VOTE: Menalque

[NorwegianboyEE]

*Day 1*

Norwee: Hi.

Luca: Why Norwegian hasn’t solved the game yet? Where are the brilliant takes? Scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

LegoLucy’s stance on me feels really lame because the explanation behind their vote is like an excuse for scum to join my mislim wagon and then argue "well, i did townread them. I just followed Luca!!"

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t really think Lucy looks bad in any other way from what i’m seeing, but their take is just... why?

[NorwegianboyEE]

my idea of solving norwee is to just hardpush him until he cries and then he's probly town.

=_=

(Btw i’m catching up while i’m walking in town and on the bus so it’s kinda broken up into little intervals where i have time)

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think the "i townread Norwee kinda, Luca seems so sure of himself" slots like Skitter deserves a whole lot more attention. Scum would definitely egg on the TvT here and pick sides.

[NorwegianboyEE]

As in Skitter’s vote on me because "Luca is so sure of himself" is an awful take.

[NorwegianboyEE]

luca to elaborate a bit: i townread you fairly strongly at this point
and i believe that you have a fairly high level of accuracy at reading norwee
(you sound kinda exactly like me when i talk abt reading someone like a50 for exactly)

i think you're therefore probably on to something, and i don't know who scum is rn, so i feel like it's worth a shot

i dont' think you're scum who's pulling 'i'm super good at reading norwee and y'all should sheep me because':
- you don't seem to expect you'll get sheeped
- if you were and you misflip town nor you'll lose a load of credibility

for all of those things together, if you're actually that good at reading him, i feel reasonably decent sheeping it

*Hurls in my mouth*
This post is nasty.

Think of it this way, if you knew me/Luca was TvT what would you make of this post here? Hard pocket attempt + kill another town slot.
I also disagree on your take that Luca will lose credibility on a townflip of me, and that’s more what scum would be banking on. If Luca pushes me like this as scum with the knowledge that i would flip town i would be really freaking impressed. The correct stance is that no matter my flip Luca is town here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually, fuck it.
VOTE: Skitter30
This is scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t really think Lucy looks bad in any other way from what i’m seeing, but their take is just... why?

the obvious answer is that you tend to obvtown very quickly under pressure and it's protown to have you obvtown and solve your slot early.

Lucy’s never played with me before though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Mena might be an easier read than Skitter if scum tbh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But i’m not sure i like Skitters defence of Mena. I tend to agree with what other people are saying. Mena hasn’t towntold at all so far, and until he has. There is a big chance he’s just scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mena always has a big voice throughout most of his towngames, while his scumgames has big gaps and lacking energy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Pooky do you still scumread Alisae or has your read on then changed?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I have no idea who Lucy’s alt would be. I thought they were just some new player or someone i hadn’t seen before.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: norwegianboy

Penguin also blind voted me in a previous game and they were scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Open 795
viewtopic.php?f=51&t=84282

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nor what do you think of my response to your vote on me?

Also are you suspicous of everyone who votes you or

I’m not suspicious of Luca.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Awful.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Retract any town read i had on Penguin slot prior.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s not about feelings. You rep into game and only reason you have for voting a slot is because they are a wagon?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are you gonna continue to avoid answering the question or ...
Third time i've asked now

Just because i’m waiting to reply doesn’t mean i’m not going to.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Pedit i figured that's ehat you'd day - fwiw i'm only voting atm cuz i'm sheeping luca. But this interaction is making me like the vote more myself

Dumb logic.
"Why did you dislike a blind vote on you???! Liking my vote now 8))"

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just to make it clear, my scumreads at this point are Mena/Skitter30/Penguin.

[NorwegianboyEE]

norwee let's pretend we're all town here

me you pengy skitter

let's talk about

which one of us is the best person to sheep

You, because Penguin/Skitter are prob scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

*Hurls in my mouth*
This post is nasty.

Think of it this way, if you knew me/Luca was TvT what would you make of this post here? Hard pocket attempt + kill another town slot.
I also disagree on your take that Luca will lose credibility on a townflip of me, and that’s more what scum would be banking on. If Luca pushes me like this as scum with the knowledge that i would flip town i would be really freaking impressed. The correct stance is that no matter my flip Luca is town here.

Oh nm sorry

A few things:
- the credibility bit i was trying to word a bit delicately so that we dont enter like a realm we probably shouldnt, but i meant more in the context that if luca is scum and trying to use his past read accuracy on nor to tr him here, amd he gets misflipped, *he wont have that credibility in future games*, even as town. I dont know why he's lolburn that here, so i dont think he's just scum here doing this. I meant in a broader context, not right here
- i agree with you that the correct stance is that he's just town here.
- ive made it kinda clear that i dont know where scum is. I townread luca, and think he has a good lead. Why are you assuming it's scum 'eggijg on a tvt fight for pocketing purposes to get a misflip' - like why is that more likely than me not knowing where to vote and sheeping someone i think is town

Ok i don't care for most of this, but the part about "why wouldn't i be town sheeping someone i trust to be town" is because you previously stated you townread me and are not following some meta case instead of actually solving me yourself. It's just sheeping. I don't think town!you does this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

norwee, you are being really sensitive about a vote on you. it's not a good look

I don't give a fuck.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're coming into this game and stating you townread Skitter and then vote me just because i'm the biggest wagon otherwise, and i'm telling you that sounds like complete garbage.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok i don't care for most of this, but the part about "why wouldn't i be town sheeping someone i trust to be town" is because you previously stated you townread me and are not following some meta case instead of actually solving me yourself. It's just sheeping. I don't think town!you does this

I mean why do you think scum-me does?

Because scum are looking for mislims. I've been solving with the mindset and me and Luca are town, so naturally from my POV scum will be in the slots that vote either me or defend me depending on where they want to put their stance. What they have least interest in in making the TvT end by having me and Luca townread each other. That is mafia 101.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok i don't care for most of this, but the part about "why wouldn't i be town sheeping someone i trust to be town" is because you previously stated you townread me and are not following some meta case instead of actually solving me yourself. It's just sheeping. I don't think town!you does this

I mean why do you think scum-me does?

Because scum are looking for mislims. I've been solving with the mindset that me and Luca are town, so naturally from my POV scum will be in the slots that either vote me or defend me depending on where they want to put their stance. What they have least interest in in making the TvT end by having me and Luca townread each other. That is mafia 101.

EBWOP

[NorwegianboyEE]

norwee do you think you are a viable mis-elim?

Do i think so? Idk. I honestly don't care very much.
But do scum often think i am? Yes.
Sometimes scum do pocket me, but more often that not they will try to eliminate or discredit me when i am town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're coming into this game and stating you townread Skitter and then vote me just because i'm the biggest wagon otherwise, and i'm telling you that sounds like complete garbage.

you should really lighten up - makes the game much more fun

Sorry.
But really, i'm not buying that you play in this nonchalant manner in every game. And why do you townread Skitter anyway?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean you can look at my prior games if you want to confirm that - also several players here can do the same.

And - if you think that I was serious with my "skitter is town because I want her to be" then you

really

need to lighten up.

So you have no reads?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I just entered the game.........

I assumed you had reads or was getting caught up since you placed a vote.
Do tell us when you've got some.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My approach to you as scum is always to pocket you, because you are very easy to pocket lol and very hard to mis-elim. That's why I don't see scum motivation in skitter's approach to you.

The problem with your logic on Skitter here is that you're painting the knowledge you have about my slot as if it's universal knowledge, when theoretical scum!Skitter would necessarily not know or likely not care about how "easy" i would be to mislim up to this point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

norwee do you think you are a viable mis-elim?

Do i think so? Idk. I honestly don't care very much.
But do scum often think i am? Yes.
Sometimes scum do pocket me, but more often that not they will try to eliminate or discredit me when i am town.

I think when you get hardpushed as town, you make the most pitiful cries that can only come from town!norwee and you obvtown yourself and become un-elimmable.

The only time I saw you mis-elimmed is that game we played where you painted yourself into a corner and ended up dying lol.

My approach to you as scum is always to pocket you, because you are very easy to pocket lol and very hard to mis-elim. That's why I don't see scum motivation in skitter's approach to you.

*raises hand*

I miselimed town!norwee and he did exactly that. In that game he was a vig and shot town!alisae lol

Norwee do you remember that?

Uh yeah, i remember feeling sad cus i was heavily contemplating shooting Flavour Leaf instead, and he was later revealed to be scum. So i really should have shot him instead.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why do you have to keep roasting me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why do you have to keep roasting me.

I am trying to defend you dude.

You're defending me while laughing at me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee, if you don't want this to be a thing, you either need to fake it as scum or be more composed as town. Otherwise the bears will take advantage.

I literally made an alt where i tried to play a towngame composed and then i got turbo run up immediately for sounding "fake" and it made me mad and i started screaming at everybody.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway i'm kinda like... not a fan about how much the discussion is revolving around me. It's not helping me solve a whole lot.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Where is Menaa :/

[NorwegianboyEE]

I agree with Lucy on Skitter. Their reads and takes are more like having an agenda than genuine.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't think Mena has left his scum range though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok i gotta bounce but i will take this info under account

I'll unvote for now and stee on it a bit

UNVOTE:

Looking at this it's not something i'd give town points for. Skitter unvoting me here might be because they realize there is no support for my elimination rather than a genuine turn around.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are we really eliming skitter d1?

Is the notion of eliminating Skitter day 1 in any game something you'd find to be undesirable?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are we really eliming skitter d1?

But more importantly, what the fuck is scum doing in this game? I mean i have taken a look at the two main wagons and i think they are all town driven

Except maybe PP but even then i don't particularly scumread the slot

We need to eliminate her quickly before she can use her Godfather Power

What?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Even if they are scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

The lazy players say they want to let skitter live on in this game until day 3 and the vote for her them but if we wait so long she will get to use her Godfather power during the night

What godfather? What on earth are you talking about.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Godfather roles are not even allowed in 'normal' designated games.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This game can’t have godfather because it would break the rules of the setup design.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ah ok.
Then i get it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

which actually implies she is town here lol

This always makes me laugh. Do you have any idea how many slots kept saying Flavour Leaf couldn’t be scum (when he was) because he wouldn’t be scumread if he was scum? Like do you even understand how silly and unlogical that thought process is.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The point isn’t him though, but your claim that because Skitter isn’t completely town leader, they are apparently more likely town?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m really curious who you are.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wait, i think i know.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Y’all be crazy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t really think Farkran is scum Pooky.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee, LegoLucy, Pooky, Farkran, Luca, Day GOLDEN?

I think that’s a pretty good list of town and i mostly agree, (if that’s what it is)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Lastly, i think there is a certain amount of "i want to be the one who caught scum!skit" in the people voting her right now, which is unhealthy.

Not from me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t really think Farkran is scum Pooky.

Can you elaborate on that

Literally all their posts are just super obvtown? Idk if there’s anything super specific to say about them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee how do you currently feel about Ali?

Want to see more from them.
My reads are advancing too quickly so that means i kinda lose my read on slots that haven’t posted for a while as an result.
But gun to head, still town?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t really think Farkran is scum Pooky.

Can you elaborate on that

Literally all their posts are just super obvtown? Idk if there’s anything super specific to say about them.

You are aware that Farkran is a good scum player, yes?

How good? I think they’ve emulated their usual town meta, shown read development, asked good questions. Literally done everything i expect town!them to do.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Great. Now i’ll have to check Farkrans scum games just to quell my paranoia.

Sigh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Farkran is scummy, he's town because why would he look scummy as scum when he's a really good player, but since you think he's town it probably means he's scum and he manipulated your read to get there. But if you think he's scum, it means.....

Yes.
This is what MS is coming to.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Farkran
What in your opinion, is the differences between your town and scum games?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wow.
That pop in from Mena was... really unimpressive.
I legit feel confident in my scumread now.
VOTE: Menalque

[NorwegianboyEE]

maybe he just hasn't shown an agenda yet idunno but i don't see agenda in his play. It feels really aimless. I refuse to believe Mena would just be this frozen as scum unless someone has evidence that states the contrary so...

No.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mena IS this frozen as scum.
He didn’t even respond to scumreads on him.
Town!him doesn’t play like this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mena isn’t this meek, pockety, and unserious unless he is scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Mena was town he’d have an reads list by now, would be pushing an scumread, arging strongly with people voting him.
Not this: "Y u vote me Ydrasse ;(... oh well. Time to dip."

CHANGE MY MIND

[NorwegianboyEE]

Alisae is just having an mid-day crisis. Sooner or later they will be back on track in voting scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Stating one of us is scum with no other reasoning.
Yeah... Mena scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You hate to see it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mena didn’t respond to my points on him, just automatically focused on the votes and says one of me/Luca is scum with no other logic behind it.
I’m thinking this is how scum!Mena responds to pressure.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This isn’t just about Mena being more lacking than town!games.
His response to the votes on him also show complete lack of will to solve.
Saying there is just one scum in me/Luca and voting both shows complete lack of care in the game that i expected him to put into it if he wasn’t scum here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What about Menalque/Ali

I dislike Alisae unvoting Mena tbh. And if Mena is scum that wouldn’t look good for them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You suck at mobile posting, i however was born into it. MOLDED by it.
I was mobile posting while you were still sitting on your Commodpre 64 typing away with your loud clickety mechanical keyboard.
Only when you sit down on your bed mobile posting from 1 to 5 AM and typing away while seeking cover from a harsh Norwegian snowstorm. ONLY then will you know what mobile posting truly is.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And why is my vote bad?

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: luca

VOTE: norwee

It is strange thing to feel so much equal about two players those players so different from eachother and to think their evil is the same. This makes me think Menal has seen their rolecards and no their rolecards they score points in go fish because they match the colors.
I think Menal is trying to show simulation of villager who feel upset that other players are against him in the unfairness but his simulation is not sharp about when that really happen. One player is usually extra unfair.

Also voting Luca is just bad at the game. Luca is the founder of our village.

Yeah this sums up really nicely why it's such a bad take from Mena. Oh and let me strawman Alisae a bit.

Alisae: "Oh yeah?? But what if Mena isn't this bad as scum? EVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT NORWEEEE??"

Reply: "The answer isn't that simple my dear Alisae, for you see. You might certainly believe scum!Menalque to not be so lazy to just OMGUS and state whoever votes him are scum. But in reality, as town he would put in a lot more thought into his reads here. The take of: 'Luca/Norwee both scummy for voting me and only 1 is scum' is so clearly agenda based that it can only come from scum!Mena. Even if you might rightly see it as an extremely subpar move for scum!him, it does not go against Scum!Mena's meta. From what i can see from his scum games he really is that lazy and wolfy when rolling mafia and responding to pressure."

[NorwegianboyEE]

because we're pretty much all friends and we don't want them to be scum

You don't?
And i was getting all excited over banishing any of my friends that rolled scum to the shadow realm.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think that Norway post is towny though unless Menalque is scum.

What?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Frown

[NorwegianboyEE]

i already explained why i think he woudln't be doing that here, and why i don't think it's scummy
did you not see it or

No i did read your reasoning for why Mena is town.
I just didn’t vibe with it, it didn’t convince me at all.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I actually am getting some Town vibes from Menalque

The thing is, if Mena is town then his towngame has completely degenerated and become this lazy: "sure wagon me i don’t rly care" style where he doesn’t want to try anymore. And Skitter professing this is absolutely 100% town Mena does give me bad vibes it could be a townflip with Skitter setting up to look good with a townflip. But then again, it would be like 50/50 then, when originally my confidence was a lot higher. So i think it’s a good thing you unvoted because there’s clearly something fucky going on and i don’t know if it’s because Mena is just scum, Skitter is scum chainsawing, or it’s SvS somehow.
If both town it would be weird because something about Mena/Skitter interactions feels fake/like one is pocketing another.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I also townread Lucy and i don’t like how Skitter has seemingly just been pushing town this game while defending what i’d assume could be mislim bait if not scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i'm on a not-try-hard trajectory, which i think explains most of that, and if you are who i think you are you should be cognizant of that

and yes i understand that you guys aren't gonna like that i'm calling you out given the mutual townreading you have going on, but that's how i see it

Extreme frown

[NorwegianboyEE]

i also want to say (again) that i think that posting in an intentionally opaque fashion after other people have said it's hard to parse is scummy, even if it's a gimmick
(especially if it's a gimmick)

I’d argue the opposite.

[NorwegianboyEE]

and again i'm not saying i'm voting her *solely* for this, but being opaque in this way when other players have aske dyou to stop has been a reasonably reliable scumtell

No it sounds extremely reachy; and also bad.
Why would scum keep being obtuse if they get scumread for it? It would play against wincon. Town would probably not care and just do it.
I don’t like this argument here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh god, why did you stop the gimmick Lucy. I felt like a little kid reading machine translated Japanese visual novels again. Real nostalgic.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Right you're also somewhat scumreading pooky, no? More scumpoinys then

So many bad faith arguments here, i know who Lucy’s main now btw. Do you?
Because i really don’t see scum!them based on what i know of their play.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Good job!

Oh great.
It’s already revealed, now i can’t feel like i’m a part of the esteemed club anymore.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Getting feels Skitter is doing all they can to sabotage town townreading each other. Like boxed scum vibes. Or scum that’s pocketing a lot of town but can’t sit still because they might be taken down by PoE in day 3 is town doesn’t stop blocking.

[NorwegianboyEE]

that makes no sense unless you think skitter and mena are scum together?

I think both should be destroyed at this point.
If Mena town, Skitter will be destructive and likely scum benefitting from their flip.
If both scum the survivor can argue they are confirmed town now.
If Mena scum and Skitt!town then Skitter is just playing anti-town anyway.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If they are TvT then that’s great, but how the fuck would we know? Their reads on each other are so unnatural and fake, and one of them could so easily be scum townreading the other for a shitvreason and arguing that’s just what they do and the other will defend them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That’s why i’m saying i kinda want both dead.

[NorwegianboyEE]

why would skitter scum pump the brakes on a mena town miselim that is lookjng likely to go thru? this table is stacked af - there is not a single lhf. you think scum will fight agajnst a miselim on town that hard?

Ok, can you show me examples of Skitter/Mena playing like this as town and not as scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

And this is only exaggerated by how Mena/Skitter both are pushing my townreads as alternative.

[NorwegianboyEE]

did you read her case on lucy?

Yes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I thought the same as Lucy did.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I thought: "in the event Mena is actually town, Skitter might be setting up"
I’m not convinced of it, it just seemed to me as an perfectly valid possibility.

[NorwegianboyEE]

whereas before you thought mena was scum?

ok how did you come to that conclusion?

Just read my progression? I literally said why i think what i do.

[NorwegianboyEE]

ok but mena hasnt flipped yet...

So?
You think i’m so dumb i need to see an flip before i can theorize why some players might be doing what they do?

[NorwegianboyEE]

And your thing about "why would scum!Skitt defend an easily hammerable townflip slot" well that is exactly what scum!Luca did in a newbie. And he kept hard defending them to the end while everyone else got increasingly suspicious of that slot.
Your inherent belief in the innocense of a slot that doesn’t push someone you think could be town is naive.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It could just be Skitter defending their partner too.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think this is a game where everyone will have some supporters regardless. Scum definitely included. I mean, i’d like to think this isn’t the case. But it is definitely an possibility i’ve defended scum at some point because i just want to be friendly and is letting that manipulate my actual scum hunting. That’s just how it is.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway i’ll give it all some time, i’m not sure who i want to be my #1 elimination anymore.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s between Mena/Skitter tho.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Maybe it's something like Pooky/Skitter.

[NorwegianboyEE]

These slots are very likely town:
Luca Blight
Farkran
LegoLucy
Day

Town ish?:
Something_Smart
PenguinPower
Ydrasse
Alisae

Meh:
Chara
PookyTheMagicalBear

Scummy:
skitter30
Menalque

[NorwegianboyEE]

that makes no sense unless you think skitter and mena are scum together?

I think both should be destroyed at this point.
If Mena town, Skitter will be destructive and likely scum benefitting from their flip.
If both scum the survivor can argue they are confirmed town now.
If Mena scum and Skitt!town then Skitter is just playing anti-town anyway.

This is kinda a bad take norwee

Why?
Do you think it's likely just 1 scum between the two?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Skitter be having that Flavour Leaf effect where they can be scum and people will even admit they might be scum, but nobody will eliminate them because they are too charismatic to die early.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Gonna keep my vote here anyway though.
VOTE: Skitter30

[NorwegianboyEE]

Am I being naive thinking that everyone arguing here atm is Town?

I wanna say yes.
But let’s say you’ve got a point, what do you think is going on?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh and Pooky, you’re not going to convince me to your side by insinuating i’m not a good player.
That goes for whatever your allignment is.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How do you read Skitter right now Norwee?

Her venting seemed Townie to me

I feel as though she believes in what she's pushing here, even if I disagree with most of it

I haven't seen their scumgame so i don't know if they'd be capable to pull out hyperposting bonanza like this, but i do think you're right in that its surface level townie.
And to be completely

completely

fair i do have history of wrongly scumreading town!Skitter in like every game i've had with them so far, and never played against scum!them. Even so i feel most of my reasons for scumreading Skitter are just and if they are town then they just pulled out a really bad defense of their townread in the worst timing and somehow expected everyone to follow suit.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Idk, maybe i should just follow the pact i made earlier and just stop pretending i can read Skitter, because all of my history up to this point has said i can't.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not really feeling hyped about any of the other options though. Lucy feels town to me, Farkran just seems really town, although i will admit Pooky's got a point in that their scum/town game is really similar. But how would you be so sure they are scum in this game then Pooky?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not really feeling hyped about any of the other options though. Lucy feels town to me, Farkran just seems really town, although i will admit Pooky's got a point in that their scum/town game is really similar. But how would you be so sure they are scum in this game then Pooky?

Wanna join on Chara?

I'm in the same boat tbh but Chara seems as good a wagon as any right now

What do you think about Farkran if we assume Skitter is town here?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Farkran is Town regardless of Skitter's alignment

Could be, i just feel like there are too many town atm.

[NorwegianboyEE]

UNVOTE:

[NorwegianboyEE]

fark calling me scum for me voting lucy when shes been buddying/hard townreading me all game is the most ludicrious take hes had in the last several pages and hes had several.

Just to entertain your arguments here.
Who do you think is likely scum with Farkran in a scum!Fark world?

[NorwegianboyEE]

And yeah, i checked their ISO. And i guess i can join you here Luca.
VOTE: Chara

[NorwegianboyEE]

I continue to not understand how this is Menalques townplay.