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But why he would get himself self lynched? To give TB town cred?
I mean, your explanation explains why TB suddenly change mood at L-2, but the end goal?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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*why AH suddenly change mood at L-2"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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You know what, we are scumreading Daveaz. Let's forget TB and talk about Daveas earlier.
Let me bring some iso."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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He's decent."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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The description that you apply to AH's read can be applied to yours as well?In post 1211, Alisae wrote:
It's shallow.In post 1210, Dunnstral wrote:In post 1207, Alisae wrote:And his case was bad because?
I did't think it was bad, actually"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Wow. I can pull nothing from daveaz."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Someone need to explain why it's Kop."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Didn't SuperHans been consistent on TB @ D1?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Ah, Superhans voted GE. I need to iso that.In post 864, grapes wrote:DAY 2 VC 002
(Kop, Realeo, Superhans, Dunnstral)Gamma Emerald ( 4 ) -
(Desperado, Gamma Emerald, Alisae, davesaz)ThinkBig ( 4 ) -
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Six to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-21 05:24:02) remain until deadline."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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@Regfan: SuperHans do seems opportunistic at Gamma wagon? You want to play more attention at that."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I fucked up that one. Proceed."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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If you can re-elaborate it more, I feel better @ you.In post 1138, Superhans wrote:However, when voting Gamma, I wasn't saying that I was voting Gamma BECAUSE of the death of SSBM, I was saying that I was continuing her push onto Gamma, not accusing Gamma of NKing her."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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No. It was ssbm kyouko"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I will roll a emotidice. This dice will dictate the emoticon that you would receive.In post 1245, Dunnstral wrote:
oh. is that why you killed him?In post 1243, Realeo wrote:No. It was ssbm kyouko
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Original Roll String: 1d61 6-Sided Dice: (6) = 6"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Now that you point that out, that is a confuzion. I checked his iso and he didn't pursue Desperado at all?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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In post 1276, ThinkBig wrote:Intent to hammer
Going back through the game and through kop's ISO, he has shown little attempt to solve the game give reads. His parked vote on Gamma, even after Gamma claimed Goon Cop, worries me the most. IIRC, he parked his vote on Gamma on D1 for almost 100 posts until making a naked vote on antihuman after it was clear that AH would be the lynch.YOUR
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I have adapt to unfulfilled promise. But unfulfilled promise + swangy hammer? Hello? No."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Why I was scum back early?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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VOTE: ThinkBig"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I don't understand how me + Alisae jump from scummies 3 into safe zone.
I just don't get it. Where did that comes from."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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During that interval, I made that town read post. What did Alisae do?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I also don't understand your progresss of though.
He's top townIn post 502, ThinkBig wrote:Alisae- Strong town lean. I like his analysis so far and he seems to be making a genuine attempt to scum hunt and solve the game.In post 993, Alisae wrote:OMGAWD YEAH HE DIIIIIID. REALEO NEVER UNVOTED!
And I will when I get back home.In post 991, Alisae wrote:Duuuuuuuude. You just hammered.Then bottom 3...
Then weak town read.
(your read list)
Then null
In post 1279, ThinkBig wrote:alisae'a slot is still null.
What is happening?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I am aware of emotional read, but that Alisae top solving -> Alies scumread for contrived is confusing. If you townread Alisae in the beginning for game solving, why his "reaction test" is not part of his beginning game solving?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Alisae replaced out.In post 1296, Dunnstral wrote:@Alisae thoughts on Kop?
And what do you think of what Realeo is saying here?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Stop defending him. Your entire case on TB is meta case.In post 1299, Regfan wrote:Realeo - TB did state his reads and where he was at before stating intent to hammer, I'd like reasoning behind some of his reads but he's stated he's willing to get to those when he's at a computer next which is reasonable.
If he's town, then he would defend himself.
I think this question is theroot of my concern. Thank you for your concern, but for thispotentially finalquestion, I'd like you to go away."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Of course you like it! It's all generic argument.In post 1299, Regfan wrote:I'd like reasoning behind some of his reads but he's stated he's willing to get to those when he's at a computer next which is reasonable.
He's pointing out that Kop is inactive,which what we have been talking for the last pages and the argument you have been pressing.
The problem is, told you that I accused him for plagiarising arguments--making appeal to majority (or appeal to IC) arguments.
Your entire argument of "I like his reason" is the core problem of why I scumread him. It doesn't fly for me.
I need to check his logic on specific argument. His argument on Alisae is a specific, non appealing majority argument.
That's how I know if he's being sincere."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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If I figured out that there is genuine scumhunting on Alisae argument, I can be more easiely convinced that he is agreeing on the majority is simply a coincendental--wisdom of the crowd."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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@Kop:How inactive are you?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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(except Desperado) I can relate--but do not necessarily--concur that Kop can be scummy.@People @ Kop wagonbut why Kop is scummier than Daveaz?
The thing is I found it funny that Kop wagon, but Daveaz is abuilds quicker(almost) unanimously scum-lean in this game. Not scumread, scum lean. He was not townread and get some nudges here and there.long-timer
I expect that since Daveaz a longer-term scum lean for this game, in the inner self of the people, players would want to lynch Daveaz because second scum after TB.
But Daveaz wagon didn't took of.
But when regfan talked Kop, suddenly people move to Kop?
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...due to the speed of the wagon."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Ah. You mean my sudden vote? He wasn't near at L-1 so I just vote him back.
I guess internet doesn't convey every emotion perfectly."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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My brain is not an average brain so I would not be able to make an objective call.
Is it normal for a human brain to still remember/forget something from 1 year ago?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Notice me, Senpai!In post 1402, ThinkBig wrote:Stop throwing shades"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Before we proceed, is it just me or assuming Kop is scum~there are 4 PRs?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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~there are at least 3 PRs?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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We would talk about this after the mass-claiming.In post 1415, Regfan wrote:If Kop is scum it's possible we only have 2 PRs"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Wait for Alisae or wut?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I'm VT."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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This always makes me worried.
NOTbecause Antihuman agreed at Davesaz town, but WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH ALISAE'S MIND?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I mean, the context is the last 10 pages, which is page 11 ~ page 20.
But I don't remember that at all?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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He did. The question is did he notice the traitor crumb, right?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I am somewhat confindent that Alisae is Power Role."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I would like to take a short V/LA, please
24 hours.
Not in optimal condition of brain to play it. Making too many logical mistake."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I mean, I have confbias so I need to wind out my brain.
But some details about ThinkBig is town can't be filled despite best effort."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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So I just take a quick walk and I realized 2 problems.
- According to you regfan, TB is VI because he is weak. The question would be, If town!TB is a weakplayer, than what would scum!TB be?Einstein? A weak player as well, right?
- SuperHans pointed this. Regfan said that AH started a wagon from GE to TB only a subversion. Merely a Traitor v Town. If that's the case Why AH didn't push TB until final blood?Why say "lynch me I flip town" at?L-2an unnecessary move that he know he would flip traitor
It's like AH want to remove any guilty assosiation.The moment TB voted him, he went to self-destructive.
I think Alisae case of AH inviting lynch to himself makes perfect sense.
conf!bias, possibly.
however.In post 1175, Regfan wrote:This entire push that a traitor is more likely to replace into a game and hard push a partner in an attempt to get themselves lynched D1 to make their partner look better is a real stretch and would bevery suboptimal traitor play.
1 ] I just can't ignore AntiHuman's attitude.
2 ] Since it's suboptimal play, wouldn't it make excellent gambit,? regfan, you knew who he is, but only after he's dead you sub inespecially this is his first game as an alt with no meta knowledge
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1] I have played a game where I bus someone from get go to remove any trace.
2] The VI gambit that I mentioned early, was first played in my Newbies game in mafiascum.net because "no meta" background"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I swear, I tried my best to townread TB. However, it's like those Sherlock moment where "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.""The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Let me say this:In post 1307, Regfan wrote:You didn't want an "Inactive Child", well you got an active one, one that'sand not the focus needs to move elsewhere.more experienced than you and one that's telling you TB is town
The last time someone did this
- He was a SE in my Newbies game. Using his SEness to dominate the exchange.
- He mocked me. Called me "WOTCed in 3 months"
- Also being hyper-confindent like you.
- Pushed on town and the scum he is townread buddy him
- Took 9 pages of exchange to actually convince to lynch the right guy
Regardless of ThinkBig's actual alignment, please don't do that. People with such attitude is actively deterring new players from joining this game.
Such attitude should only stay in EpicMafia.com tournament lobby, where there is no new player.
#LynchTheNoavi"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Or Team Mafia 2017."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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SuperHans is a new player so I reminded you before you went interrogate him.In post 1426, Regfan wrote:I went over the Desperado/SuperHans interaction from a few pages back and didn't like it on SuperHans end at all, found that his stance in that argument didn't match his play inside the game."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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@KopIf you are nervous of Gamma's wagon, why you don't role block him?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Hold on a second. Why is it not town consistent if Kop didn't roleblock Gamma? According to TB and regfan, we called it didn't consistent because he changed from Kyouko -> Gamma?
But from town!Kop's mind, when he roleblocked kyouko, kyouko is still alive. It's a double standard to expect Kop would vote for Kyouko despite he's dead, right?
Let me rephrase it: regfan said that there's inconsistency on how he thinks. That is true assuming that Kop thinks GE > Kyouko.
But can't we assume that Kop thinks Kyouko > GE, which makes more sense?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Another scum point for TB for repeating what regfan previously said."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Which post does this happen?In post 1450, Kop wrote:I suspected Gamma, but then when I seen kyouko positioning himself with regards to the AH wagon and totally misunderstanding the whole traitor, I felt that with AH flipping traitor, kyouko knew that he was the traitor."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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To be specific, kyouko positioning himself."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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You mean this one?In post 667, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:VOTE: Kop
I'm off work an hour and a half before deadline btw if it has to be AH, his wagon is certainly going up and down a lot here"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I still believe this.In post 1463, Superhans wrote:@Realo do you still believe this?
But the initial assumption is that TB is town.
I removed that in my current calculation."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Is he genuinely confused?
In post 241, Kop wrote:
I didn't realise it's BP until I looked at the setup specs. It's one shot though, but obviously that doesn't mean anything, just means scum won't shoot that slot again.In post 224, Dunnstral wrote:mafia traitor is bulletproof btw so they wouldn't even die
I cannot tell if it is a genuine train wreck.In post 247, Kop wrote:
I agree, but I don't see any point crumbing it. It would be plain stupid for someone to be brazen enough to stand up and shout hey I'm a cop, or I'm a doctor/bodyguard.In post 244, Dunnstral wrote:Bodyguard is close enough to doctor that that's what I'd take it as, by the way
And if he is stupid enough to do it, then well I'd not be lynching him based on that, the game will dictate what will happen if there was any truth in it.
Which I don't believe there is.
I keep asking how "he missed traitor crumb" but it seemed he didn't miss it, he mistaken it with "Mafia PR CC crumb?""The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Good point!"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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@Does the clock stops if Alisae replacement doesn't come in until deadline?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Let's finish the clarification at ThinkBig's case at Alisae and lynch Kop."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Yo, TB. Alisae and Desperado.
Pedit: My pleasure"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Oh no. I was talking about TB. TB had an outsanding explanation about his town/null/scum read at Alisae."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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He only explained his current read at Alisae due to waiting replacement. I'm still awaiting explanation about the previous read."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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