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ok if i get roped promise me you won't play with your head in your ass tomorrow guys.
my goal isn't to towntell, i don't give two shits about towntelling.
my goal is to find scum.
i did not sign up for this game to appease you mofos i signed up to lynch mafia.-
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like i said, you're welcome to lynch me, i've said this since about d2 since i had my reads and since this game is cancerous.
i've explained my reads and the purpose behind them several times andI HATE FUCKING REPEATING MYSELF WHEN I HAVE MADE MY STANDPOINT VERY CLEAR
so i won't-
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like i genuinely want out of the game. the fact that you've blown two mislynches i said were mislynches and had the nerve to cross me and my hardest townread today is extremely infuritating. and you're negating my hard scumread based on meta and other horseshit. absolutely flustered right now.-
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both flipped people who said i was town are probably flipping their shit in the PT since you're all being so fucking demented right now.
pedit: no i'm done being logical i'm town that doesn't care anymore.-
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so with that said, i openly welcome a rope around my neck and i honestly hope you can manage to screw up five mislynches after you somehow lynched one of the mafia d1.-
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who knows man
but if you need a lynch by deadline
i'll take the fall
i don't even know how long deadline is for now.-
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oh there's plenty of time
i have the next two days off if i'm up to it (making giant cases is a lot of work and i do other things besides playing this site) i will probably individually iso each player like you all have done.-
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In post 1913, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:There isn't really much of a meta to go by. I refuse to use ongoing games for meta by principle, I should add.
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it's against the rules to curse in this game which i realize i unknowingly did and i apologize-
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Your reads parallel heavily with mine Tenshii just in a different order
Correct me if I'm wrong, but your fos on Thor feels more OMGUS-y than anything. And as a newer player, I'd expect that from you. I tend to notice lots of newer town players fosing people that directly attack them since they know they're town and they know they're under attack. They think that scum is taking a bite at them instead of town being incorrect about them.
I don't necessarily agree with the case from Thor myself, but I don't exactly see the attack as a scum-motivated attack? Like it could be, but right now I just lean on him being wrong. Hence why I've said the interactions between you two are TVT.
Which leaves Rosske. I don't think his actions over the course of this game were genuine. I think he vote-hopped a few wagons opportunistically (Thor d1, KTS d1, Io d1, KTS d2, Transcend d2/3/4 etc.) I don't feel the votes he made were for genuine reasons, rather tactical ones.
I'll go over each of his votes that come to my mind in memory.
Thor d1: I think KTS was voting Thor at first correct me if wrong. Rosske's reason for voting Thor was pretty good (hence why I followed suit with the light bw that happened on him). However his actions a few posts later indicate that this was just an opportunistic scum-hop from him rather than actually scumreading Thor and it was him cherry-picking two posts and rolling with the punches. All he did to explain the vote on Thor alongside the 2 posts he quoted was say "gut". He did not pursue that wagon really hard at all.
KTS d1: I think Kcda (mhsmith) voted KTS. Rosske votes KTS as well. The reason escapes me why either of them voted KTS but memory serves that it was a bad vote. He never explained his vote on KTS to my memory, and the person who he voted with when he voted Thor was KTS. So Rosske never explains that his read on Thor changed at all, so he voted the person who he voted with without stating that his mind on Thor changed. Now this is the part I think is damning, but I'm going to safely dismiss this part as null for right now since it can go either way is him telling Karnos "Why aren't you voting Thor?".
Scenario A. He's scum questioning his partner's motives
Scenario B. He's scum telling karnos to vote Thor without actually voting Thor himself
Scenario C. He's town who questioned karnos' motives
Again all these scenarios are plausible, so it's best to dismiss that tell as null. But I seriously feel that Rosske was lightly pushing on Thor again and forgot he was voting KTS since he votehopped KTS and then gave no reason to why he voted him.
Io d1: IIRC he evades the KTS/Thor votes, doesn't explain why and then votes Io with karnos. One could say that he's town because why would he associate himself with his clearly ailing partner? There's many reasons why that can be wrong.
Reason A. With karnos lynched, Rosske would have to survive legitimately 5 lynches by himself. Having the support of his partner would help.
Reason B. WIFOM factor. "Oh if I hard buddy my partner they won't suspect me due to associative tells hehehehehe"
Over all throughout the course of d1, Rosske votehopped 3 times (to my memory) and his votes were all fairly neutral votes where he didn't explain his stance that well.
Now we're on d2. He doesn't participate in karnos twilight at all. Which was a period of at least 3 days. I understand that you cannot always be on mafiascum 24/7 but that was a long ass twilight period due to slow host. He postedzerotimes. I didn't pay attention to see if he was on the site during twilight or not (I think that's cheating correct me if wrong). However he claims he wasn't here for twilight. But like I said, Twilight for karnos was a solid 3 days or more and 3 days of inactivity leads to a prod. Prods aren't something that people like very much and people come on and post a brief prod dodgeto avoid prod. Regardless this aspect shouldn't be analyzed too much, but the fact he was not present for twilight is supporting my case even more. And him not also participating in twilight and his next vote are also reasons to support him as scum.
KTS D2: Instantly votes KTS. "You obviously bussed your partner". He says nothing else. He just sheeps what mhsmith/Luna Fox said in twilight for karnos. If you go back to d1 it shows that Rosske voted KTS, but he never explained that reason at all. Throughout either of his votes. So he votehops KTS twice and gives minimal to no reasoning both times. His vote on KTS doesn't last long. This is possibly the case due to him wanting the rest of the town to tear KTS apart while he WK's him and pushes on someone else. This person being yours truly!
Trans D2: KTS votes me, few posts later Rosske votes me too! This time he's been hellbent on my lynch. I think it's justifiable for players to fos me, due to my shitty reads and consistent mood swings. However, the reason this guy foses me is not genuine and sorta hypocritical. He has said that I'm scum for berating several people (which is me all the time as can be seen in several games of mine).He's also said that I'm scum because I've pushed several mislynches. The lynches I pushed for were Luna Fox (yeah this one was probably wrong) where he never said why my push on Luna was scum motivated, and him. I voted mhsmith Thor and Giga in brief periods but I've only tunneled Luna and Rosske. He said that I've coasted by getting several people mislynched. Which is blatantly untrue. I did not get KTS lynched, I didn't get PC lynched. I was advocates for two people. Luna Fox and Rosske only. But he explains that I'm scum for getting KTS and PC lynched. And say, that even if I did get KTS lynched here, why would he fos me for it since he voted KTS twice? This is inconsistent behavior from him.
With all this above and the 5 votes I recall from him being thoroughly explained, this is why I have concluded that Rosske is scum here. I understand you have meta townreads on Rosske, but Ross is a newer player and isn't going to play the same way as both alignments. Take a look at karnos for example. There were some parties (myself, Tenshii) who thought he was newb town. I had meta on him, Tenshii didn't. We were both wrong. We had incorrect meta, even though his game this game replicated the newbie game I played with him. Newer players are gonna get better and begin to play similarly as both alignments much like most of the good players here.
I know I have berated most of you all day, which was probably not the correct way to approach this. But I have for one final time, gone deeply in depth into all of his votes this game (which is most of his content anyways). And I've explained why it makes him the last scum, and why you should ignore meta this time.-
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Keep in mind that in 4/5 of the votes I mentioned he wasNOTthe first person to vote on them.
For the KTS vote d2, he was first, but the KTS bw was inevitable and he got a front row seat to that by dodging twilight and voting first.-
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lemme spill it out for you
0% you flip scum
0% Tenshii flips scum (I've been known to be very good at reading new players)
a solid 2% Giga flips scum
Leaning about 80% on Rosske
15% mhsmith
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possibly to keep thor vs. tenshii. i haven't analyzed the kill that much and i'm not going to either.-
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Scum won't always make the correct kill or the logical kill
Hence why all this night kill analysis should be put to rest and we analyze in-game tells / actions.-
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sure but i'm ignoring your debate if you use the word meta in it.In post 1954, Thor665 wrote:I read it at length - I could have posted a wall discussing it and why I disagree but saw no real value in that action as you have shown zero interest in debate on your thoughts and had to be abused into even stating said thoughts.
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like if i spill my heart out and you still won't budge then at this point i'm just gonna let you lynch me or tenshii and not really give two s***s.-
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I'll be honest wing, in terms of giga, i think he's had a few scummy lines (hence my vote on him a few times) but i think his town motivated posts/actions significantly outweigh his scummy ones.-
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Analysis of his rqs was very genuine and you gotta remember, he started the karnos lynch. I fail to see scum voting their partner due to a bad rqs response 2 pages into the game and then banking on winning the game solo throughout about 5 lynches.
Just some food for thought.
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That was confusing to read
Giga your vote puts ross at L-1
Given that our time to lynch is bubbling down, I'd really like for you to take the initiative and run him up in votes a bit more.-
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Who are you thinking of lynching then. I thought you were pro Ross in terms of a lynch.-
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So you'd compromise on Rosske rope if it came time for a lynch to be decided?
I'd regrettably vote tenshii but only if tenshii needed to be hammered to fulfill the fact we used a mislynch and didn't hand it over to scum.-
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he actually bussed one of his partners (sircakez) on lylo actually
not sure why you're asking this when all the slots karnos voted are dead (did the guy only ever vote io?)-
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idon't actually remember his play but i think he was focused on just getting a ml on io in.-
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Prodging and trolling the rest of this day until you dipsticks make up your mind. It's a mafia game. It's not like your life is at stake. It's just a stupid bloody mafia game. Kill Rosske already.-
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Wing your case on smith is basically paralleled with mine. It's just my case on Rosske is about 10x heavier.-
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Smith, I've just realized you've been fairly neutral for today. Like you voted me for a bit and that was just for a bit. You haven't really finalized your reads from what i see. We are approaching deadline so i wanna know from you if you had to take 3 shots at one duck in this game, what would they be?-
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Also giga: does the fact that two ducks (me and wing) that you wouldn't shoot at all game town read tenshii change your mind?-
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I mean fair enough. Why is our judgment wrong though. Do you not think his tone/posts are genuine? I'm trying to understand where your read on him is coming from.-
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1. 2000th postIn post 2005, Wingback wrote:
I'mIn post 2000, Transcend wrote:Wing your case on smith is basically paralleled with mine. It's just my case on Rosske is about 10x heavier.reallynot seeing Rosske make that nightkill but mhsmith's predecessor pushing KTS while having Karnos as a secondary read and ignoring that wagon just seals it for me not to mention mhsmith's case/vote against Karnos is exactly what I would expect from a scum-him at that point.
Compromise with me today? Haven't felt this good about a scumread since replacing into the game and I think your gut on mhsmith is pretty accurate. You just got distracted with Rosske and his cross-tunneling of you.
2. Like i said im an advocate and I'd compromise, but not if I'm able to get Rosske rope. I just haven't agreed with any of the points made to support R!town-
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I have work today in just a bit, but giga, me and wing will not lynch tenshii and Tenshii won't lynch himself. So only way you CAN get that lynch is with Rosske and mhsmith's votes. Two of your best town reads (me/wing) after several days of analyzing have concluded that one of those two is the duck we need shot. You can deviate from our reads, but I'm feeling very confident about one of those two most likely r.-
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No offense but please lynch the slot lol don't replace. This is probably a tactical replace out.-
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Don't care he's my best scum read, I've made a solid case on him. He's neglected to respond. In my eyes this is a tactical replace out.-
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It's tactical imo. And stop ignoring my questions or I'll advocate the slot getting replaced and lynch you instead.-
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Still would like to lynch Rosske(slot) and I still think he replaced out due to getting lynched but we'll see.-
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i'm aware that this has been my worst town game so far. there's only room for redemption.
mariar is known for being notoriously awful at reading me, but she's in a scum slot anyways so trusting her judgment is bad regardless.-
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forummafia that one time on em you tunneled me the whole game and i was like k
i tunneled you too so i'mnot the best at reading you
and i really don't have that much alignment tells from you right now, but your predecessor was hard scum for me-
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i would unvote if i didn't think your predecessor replaced out because he was getting lynched as lm lmfao.In post 2059, MariaR wrote:How many votes are on me and if you sr me I understand but at least give me time to fucking read I don't care how bad this line looks it's outright rude to do this-
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UNVOTE:
fine.
but like not sure why you're so panicked with 1 vote on you when there's 2 mls and it takes 4 to lynch.-
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it's nai for now but i bet my house the slot flips wolf and they subbed out because of getting lynched
i'm not saying that's what happened i'm just saying that's what i think-
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