Open 570: Making Friends and Enemies (Mafia Wins!)

[Peabody]

Hi everyone. I'll read and post soon. Hi Mala.

[Peabody]

Coming into the game, something about these questions caused me to question BBT. I asked myself 'is this line of questioning real or is he going to do something with this info?'

Oh, he found scum.

I just -don't believe- his conviction here.

Everything about this case on MS does not seem right from BBT: To have such an aggressive stance from the beginning and based on negligible reasons.

Neglibible reasons, you say? Why... what negligable reasons?
1) Vote hopping... (Not alignment indicative)
2) "Partner" (Eh, I read this as 'I'm a VT. Mason is my partner.') [On a side note, I think a scum-MS would have addressed this 'partner' concern. This word could go either way alignment-wise].
3) Pre-flipped associative tells.

[Peabody]

That being said, Shinobi gives me town vibes from 75 and in his subsequent posting. As in, I wanted someone to counter BBT's 'certain' case, and here comes Shinobi. My reservation on Shinobi goes as far as when he says:

That's some pretty blatant rolefishing.

regarding GM's question and not placing a vote on Zeb.

Josh_B gives me slight town vibes from 137. I admit it could be due to posting style.

GM

- I don't know how to read her until she reads the thread.

Malakittens

- I played a game with her recently where she relied heavily on meta, but ended up as scum. I don't know how a town-Mala plays yet.

MS

- Meh, I don't know on this one. As GM said, MS's entrance post did appear manipulative, and his mirror posting made him difficult to read. I like MS's presentation on GM's case, however, I feel that this push is convienent for either scum or town to try, considering it is based on lack of effort GM puts in the game. I have a null/slight town at best on MS.

EspressoDan's 106 is fluff posting. I don't like it.

MS, why are you town reading BBT?
BBT, why are you talking to GM like she's town in 219 when obviously you had some reservations about her after reading 183?

My vote is going right now where my reading is going.

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

[Peabody]

What about the case did you agree with?

If you agree with every point and disagree with the conclusion, as you as implying, there is a reason you decided A doesn't equal B.

Can you explain why A (MS's case on GM) doesn't mean B (GM is scum)?

[Peabody]

I don't quite have a 75% read on you, GM.

A large portion of your posts are the back and forth with MS about you not reading, how he's scum reading you for lack of effort, and how you express you are busy and haven't caught up (which is fine. Just can't read you yet).

I don't see lack of catching up as alignment indicative, and I wish to withhold judgement on your alignment until I have something I can call a town tell or scum tell. I read alignment as the game goes.

[Peabody]

Re: BBT

Thanks, I have no further questions ATM concerning that.

[Peabody]

You're welcome.

BBT, I didn't expect you to be silent about my case on you.

[Peabody]

I'm willing to switch votes to Zebulon.

This is what I got from his iso read:

I have no strong reads except a town!Shinobi and a scum!MS

Not to mention he doesn't explain WHY he has a scum read on MS. He just finds something he said 'interesting' with '(no conclusion)'.

Scum have to fabricate reads. Especially scum reads.

[Peabody]

Also, my vote is on BBT.

[Peabody]

@Shinobi: Maybe you could explain that sentence.
@Zeb: Why ISOs?

P-Edit: And why cop out on Josh and Peabody? They've posted more than the lurkers have.

JoshB

:

Well, he's scumreading me. I don't like his logic on me, which I am answering later in this post, but that doesn't mean he's scum. 21 posts is a good amount considering he replaced in.

Peabody

:

Doesn't like me either. I strongly disagree with post 259, considering that I

actually did explain me read

. Does have a lot of content per post, but the logic is totally off.

Look, Zeb. Maybe I'm not understanding WHY you are reading them why you're reading them. You coded MS as -red-. But your paragraph on him is just explaining what he did. What in that paragraph EQUALS scum alignment, and what is just summary? Can you please, for the sake of me understanding you, do this?

Additionally, you have me labeled as scum, but you give no clear indication as to why. Is it because I called you scummy? Or why?

[Peabody]

Zebulin, How do you feel about being on the same wagon as Peabody? Does that change your reads at all?

What do you mean by this?

I'm voting BBT at the moment.

[Peabody]

This game.

Quote war central. It makes it hard to read. xD

[Peabody]

Zeb, why does mala fall under 'scum' and not under 'lurk'?

[Peabody]

I mean according to your explanation, it seems you count her as scum due to lurking? Or is it low content per post ratio?

[Peabody]

Actually, nevermind. I answered my own question.

I'm going to have to restrain myself for quintuple posting. Sorry.

[Peabody]

"votehopping" - Not alignment indicative. Not scummy unless it's opportunistic voting.
"demanding sheep" - Not alignment indicative.
"on-off pressuring" - What do you mean by this?
"and the VT/Mason gambit" - As I said, I can see this from either alignment, although this is the most suspicious thing he's done.

I can't read your mind. In my mind, I read a bunch of things that were just summaries and not alignment indicative. How would I have known these are the things you think indicate scum unless you said it?

Using the word "interesting" doesn't mean one alignment or another.

Welcome to my mind. xD

[Peabody]

Mr Peabody, can you get a more high res avatar pretty please?

But...

I had this for years...

But...

[Peabody]

Rocky and Bullwinkle \m/

[Peabody]

NPAU, why did you vote GM over BBT? Because if I'm understanding you right, you are basing a GM scum read off of a BBT scum read.

[Peabody]

Peabody - Seems to be voting BBT over playstyle issues.

My vote on BBT is based on convictions on an MS scum that seem fake, and his vote on MS was based on non-alignment indicative qualities. Which lead me to believe a 'sheep me-BBT' is not entirely truthful in his convictions.

If you didn't understand my case, fine.

But, it's not really about playstyle of BBT. It's about what I perceive as untruthfulness.

[Peabody]

Hi, sorry. I'm a couple pages behind. Post soon.

Also, I like the reads list thing Zeb mentioned. It makes him feel a little more town.

Not entirely convinced yet.

[Peabody]

On an unrelated note, since my reads keep on changing (Josh is ovbiously scum! No, he's ovbviously town! SCUM TOWN SCUM TOWN SCUM TOWN SOUM TCWM) I was thinking of putting a reads list in my signature and changing it as te game progresses.

Yeah. I like this from Zeb.

NPAU: Come on back to the party. We miss you and you should come contribute more.

I kinda like this from Scripten.

On another note. I like zebulin's recent explanation. Can we vote Peabody now?

VOTE: peabody

Such is the bane of being an unreadable player. Although, I swear, this game I thought I've given enough opinion to be readable by now.

I wouldn't mind a Peabody lynch. He's a little scummy, but right now I'd like to see a good NPAU wagon.

H'okay.

Which lead me to believe a 'sheep me-BBT' is not entirely truthful in his convictions.

He never is. Lucky for you that you are finding this out now as opposed to later. I think I speak for all of us that know BBT, your case is weak. Is there anything else that you want to add?

This interests me.

Is this typical of BBT to fake convictions? To you who know him, my case may be weak if this is something typical of him. If on just a general player, I think faking a conviction is a scum-tell. I'm at the point where I don't know whether to continue pushing this or to focus attention elsewhere. He's been seeming more towny lately. I know an aggressive stance early game is something I've done as scum at least once. So from personal experience, I'm inclined to believe his early play is scum generated. His later play is much better.


I have a -slight- town ping on Mala.

[Peabody]

Hm.

It's not my goal to policy lynch. A policy isn't my case.

And my case isn't that he's taking a stance. It's that he's taking a fake stance.

[Peabody]

Is that typical of him to be over-the-top convicted of a read? Because I don't get the vibe that he believes in his own reads.

That's why he pings me as scum.

Scripten, my 'H'okay' comment is in reference to how you vocalized support behind a wagon of someone without having any stated reason. The fact that you'd be 'good' with it doesn't ping well with me if you have stated no prior suspicion on my slot.

You saying there is something scummy about my play is more interesting to me than Josh_B's vote on me who said no such thing if I remember correctly. Can you expound on your statement? Help me out.

[Peabody]

On second thought, I'm not that bothered by it anymore. Probably not alignment indicative at this point unless the wagon happened and he placed a vote with no reason.

[Peabody]

I need to have another look through and see if anything catches my eye. I'm town reading people easier than I'm scum reading them.

[Peabody]

Hi. I'm very sorry. This is a prod dodge. Posting tonight or tomorrow. Sorrrrrrry!!!

[Peabody]

Looking at NPAU's 439. This post is in response to NPAU's asking for a definition of soft-defense of scum partners.

How can I respond to this if you don't provide explanations lol. I've seen and done both of the above as scum before. Btw, this is the first game I've played since a year ago so meta might not really apply. Check if you like.

Why do you relate soft-defending to your meta or lack thereof?

NPAU do you think people are making pot shots at you because you have 8 posts and 5 of them contain vote changes?
That's if you count your "confirm" post. Nearly all of your posts have had a vote change.
Goodmorning
BBT
Huntress
Goodmorning again
and Now
Mala

On top of that, they are nearly all without player engagement.
I'm still not sure what the Huntress vote was for. Can you explain?

Do you find these vote changes scummy? Or something else?

Mala's line in 456 bugs me. The line about Hephaestus in particular feels... filler.

Anything is better then being silent. In fact silence makes you look guiltier

Hmm. This fits somewhere. Although I don't quite agree with this statement in general, this might be her guiding principle for the previous filler line. Unless you feel it wasn't posted for the sake of filler, Mala?

I like huntress 499.

No, I'm not trying to get a mason reaction. TBH the sites where I've played before almost never used that role and therefore I'm not used to thinking about it.

Quotes like these help scum. :/

[Peabody]

UNVOTE:

[Peabody]

VOTE: NPAU

OR I guess this works for me
VOTE: NPAU

Why?

And why on MS?

[Peabody]

Sorry, NPAU, the quotes are difficult to follow, so it was not my intention to misquote you. But I must ask you to clarify. Is the thing you've done in your meta before soft-defending? Or was it something else? I am unclear. Also, how does it help any defense against Scripten wanting to meta read you?

I unvoted BBT because I'm not as convinced as I was he was scum, based on Scripten and Josh_B's responses that his fake convictions are typical in any alignment.

[Peabody]

VOTE: Hestephus

Your vote on NPAU looks opportunistic. Especially since only half of those voting him have any reasoning (Scripten, MS) although both cases are vague.

And especially since the only person you prodded as possible scum was MS.

Ok so the problem with this game is that it hasn't built momentum due to all the replacements. At this point I'd expect at least one solid wagon but instead there's a ton on vanity wagons that aren't going anywhere and I don't even know where to begin looking for scum.

Are you only looking for wagons?

This looks opportunistic as MS's 'NPAU is easier to lynch' line. Which you called out.

Long story short: NPAU -might- be scum. But the wagon on him is incredibly scummy. Hephaestus's vote looks most suspect of the four.

[Peabody]

Are you only looking for wagons?

Okay, the way I phrased this isn't fair. But are wagons often the focal point of your scum hunt?

I don't like that you haven't had strong opinions about anyone. I thought you did about MS, but that wasn't backed up by a vote. Your vote immediately changed to NPAU who others were voting at the time.

[Peabody]

Why don't you hate the wagon?

MS, how did you come to that conclusion?

[Peabody]

Oh geez. I'm way behind. Ummmmmm, sorry to keep doing this. I'll try to keep up with the thread more.

Sooo, I'll post tomorrow.

[Peabody]

Why don't you hate the wagon?

Because I have no reason to believe he's town.

So I've been reviewing the people who aren't involved in the GM wagon in some way (either on it, or questioning those who are on it). You're in this category.

Has anything happened since the quoted post to change your reads?

I'm mainly posting my thoughts as I go, but right now Heph is on my radar. In regards to the NPAU wagon, I didn't like it. As for GM, I did affirm to her that the scum reads on her based on her not taking time to read the thread are null and that she simply hadn't read the thread yet.

Well, it's been a while since this game started, and I don't remember GM being particularly proactive apart from being defensive. I'd like to see more from her, and this might be unfair, but it feels to me when I consider GM in this game, that she's in a constant state of not being current in the thread.



Which makes it SUPER hard for me to put a town label on her. And I like Mala's meta read on GM because she provided reasoning that I am thinking might have truth to it (GM avoiding the thread as scum?).


However, the fast wagon helps in knocking her toward a towner side of null than a scummier.

Heph, what do you feel about the fastbuilding and derailing of the GM wagon?

Why don't you hate the wagon?

MS, how did you come to that conclusion?

he is happy to vote me or npau

if both of us are town, he is happy to vote town

and that is only what scum will do

This post is from town.

While I like Heph's 548 like uctriton00 does, I don't like his response to 547. Switching your vote from someone you find as scummy (MS) to someone you have 'no reason to believe he's town' (NPAU) does not seem logical to me.

I happen to agree.

She said she was working on a reads-list a while back, I've been waiting for it.

I didn't know she was posting elsewhere though.

VOTE: GM

Why is your vote on GM exactly? I got the feeling this was a sheep as well (same as dave feels), but feel free to prove me wrong.

GM

if you are town, indeed town, then do something other than defend yourself from Ms

I would think that someone who is unsure of her reads as you have stated you are, Mala, would want to cling onto a read you find more solid, ie GM. She seems to be fitting her scum meta according to you, so my question is this: Why are you coaching her here?

[Peabody]

Peabody's posts feel a hell of a lot different than our last completed game. I remember making a comment about how there was a lack of a vote by Peabody in that game, but the difference between that game and this game is that he has moved his vote around more than he did there.

I just want to make a quick comment on this. You replaced in on day 2 or 3 on the one game we played together. I certainly am slow to vote, however, in the game you are basing your meta upon, keep these things in mind:

1) The players commented on the coloring of the mod's PMs when the mod hadn't yet posted sample pms in the OP. This made me nail at least two town members in an instant as town.
2) My posting may have felt like tunneling to you since you were scum (and thus more likely to give my posts against you more weight).
3) I had town read most of the player list. My votes, therefore, were statistically most likely to be scum. I felt really, really comfortable about my scum read on you based on PoE.

You have one sample of me. If you want to see more of my play, you may search on the wiki for my screenname. I list every game that I have record of being in. Additionally, I post comments on the ones that I felt like posting comments.

You may see how I think by reading these notes on each game. That will help you read my meta.

I do feel that the game you are meta'ing me off of was a game that was of different substance. So many things felt certain to me because of the PM references throughout the game.

[Peabody]

Also, we have 28 pages, and I have two votes. Two.

So, I'm slow to vote in this game too. Just saying...

[Peabody]

For a start, her first post reflects a lot of the same thoughts I'd been having up to that point, though I was pretty vocal about them.

This statement from GM looks town.

I happen to agree.

She said she was working on a reads-list a while back, I've been waiting for it.

I didn't know she was posting elsewhere though.

VOTE: GM

Why is your vote on GM exactly? I got the feeling this was a sheep as well (same as dave feels), but feel free to prove me wrong.

BBT, do you mind responding to this? I want to know your thought process on this subject.

[Peabody]

I happen to agree.

She said she was working on a reads-list a while back, I've been waiting for it.

I didn't know she was posting elsewhere though.

VOTE: GM

Why is your vote on GM exactly? I got the feeling this was a sheep as well (same as dave feels), but feel free to prove me wrong.

xD

This is what I wanted to answer. Part of my last post shows my wording that's supposed to bein quotes. This above is what is supposed to be in quotes.

Meaning, can you say something on what is in quotes here, BBT?

[Peabody]

This is pretty much all I got in terms of GM.

Sonic presented a case, and I agreed with his suspicions but I disagreed with his conclusion (he thought she was scum, I didn't). However, the main reason I disagreed is because I fully expected GM to improve her play, start contributing, and start scum-hunting. This didn't happen, and still hasn't happened.

I guess you could say it's a read that just accumulated over time because GM just hasn't done anything in this game.

Was Mala's vote on GM a tipping point for you?

[Peabody]

Your 729 answers it. I think if we are right on NPAU being scum it sets up some people to be town.

GM for same reasons why I've said I don't think they're on the same team.
Scripten for that well thought out case on NPAU (I would doubt its worth it to bus on Day 1 with 13 players, and I doubt a bus would have that much effort Scripten put. In my personal cases of bussing, usually it's some half assed sentence or idea, not a thought out case like that)

If NPAU showed up as town, would that change things? That was what I was really asking.

This is basically why we kill uct, for the record.

Please elaborate.

[Peabody]

Your 729 answers it. I think if we are right on NPAU being scum it sets up some people to be town.

GM for same reasons why I've said I don't think they're on the same team.
Scripten for that well thought out case on NPAU (I would doubt its worth it to bus on Day 1 with 13 players, and I doubt a bus would have that much effort Scripten put. In my personal cases of bussing, usually it's some half assed sentence or idea, not a thought out case like that)

If NPAU showed up as town, would that change things? That was what I was really asking.

This is basically why we kill uct, for the record.

BBT,

Did Mala have anything at all to do with your GM vote? I'm hella confused on this.

The timing was strange to me and I'm trying to unpack why.

[Peabody]

I've discovered that uct is scum and you should vote him with me.

hi there reaction test

This pings me.

[Peabody]

Oops, the quote in 768 wasn't supposed to be there. Only the question.

[Peabody]

Yep and you'll hate that answer too.

I used to be spot on while reading GM in past games. This happened because we were scum buddies and I faced her when she was a SK. There's a tone difference between her scum and her town game. Although lately she's been using similarities in the tones when I did a quick remembrance of a scum game and a recent completed town game, however, the lack of being overly defensive was missing in her town game.

Also she tends to stall a lot while being scum, which she's doing here. She's saying technical difficulties, but is able to post elsewhere.

I happen to agree.

She said she was working on a reads-list a while back, I've been waiting for it.

I didn't know she was posting elsewhere though.

VOTE: GM

[Peabody]

This is just a first impression:

Uct pings me as town from this 1v1.

Shinobi, not so much.

I'm on my phone, so I can examine why I believe this when I'm on my laptop again. Eh, nothing here is set in stone unless I can analyze my thoughts on both of them via isos.

I haven't commented on uct to date. So this will be my next thing to do.

Oh, and again, all this is from a cursory glance. Don't put much weight in this post. Just telling you where my mind is right now.

[Peabody]

d'aww, heph is being replaced.

[Peabody]

Ok. I'm probably the lynch for today, party because somehow this game doesn't make sense to me, partly because I don't really feel like making further efforts to defend myself or pushing my case.

Hm.

[Peabody]

NPAU and hephaestus both voting GM is interesting because IIRC several people have floated hephaestus as their 2nd-3rd scummiest player. Perhaps both are scum and neither wants to move for fear of looking even more scummy?

The fact the wagon on heph is small despite him being read as a scummy player may say something.

In the direction of a Heph scum and reluctance of partners to bus him.

[Peabody]

That should be hammer...

-_-

I didn't realize how close we were to deadline.

[Peabody]

I will hammer if needed as backup but I dunno about a red flip.

I'm not town reading NPAU, so I guess it's better than nothing.

I'd rather see a Heph flippity floppity.

But if anyone abandons this wagon, you better be ready to hop back before deadline. Or I will wag my blame finger at you so hard.

[Peabody]

I'm not moving my vote until closer to deadline.

I will, however, use my vote to make a lynch happen. I'm doubtful we're getting a red flip today unless we can get Heph.

The worst thing that can happen right now is a no lynch. We've had three weeks of discussion, and if that ends in no vote, we get another two weeks for discussion on the same topics, plus one town dead.

As I said, i will place my vote on the biggest wagon in two to three hours time (still plenty of time before deadline).

[Peabody]

If I absolutely had to pick between NPAU and GM... I don't know.

GM's quick wagon and derail makes it seem she's town. But her lack of effort earlier in the game and emotional defense appears somewhat scummy.

NPAU... I just don't see the NPAU case. Vote hopping isn't scummy to me at all.

I don't want to lynch either, personally.

[Peabody]

My town reads are on the NPAU wagon. A couple of people I have doubts about are on GM.

So NPAU wagon is winning as my likely vote candidate.

[Peabody]

Ugh. I hate these wagons. I hate them.

Both are probably town.

VOTE: NPAU

[Peabody]

The fast GM wagon points to a town-GM based on how quickly it built. However, as someone else said, it could be scum partners were already on the wagon and hopped off as soon as it looked bad.

My town reads are on NPAU. Gotta go with NPAU on this one.

I keep WIFOMing myself on GM though.

[Peabody]

You know who I think might actually be scum? Huntress. But that's for another day and and after more analysis.

I just see an aggressive defensiveness in her posts that look like something I do when I'm scum. That's all I'm willing to disclose for now. Since I'd have to research and junk.

[Peabody]

Do you think he will flip town, uct?

[Peabody]

I should probably read through the thread to find out who the masons are.

Can I just say how much I don't like this?

I don't like this. A lot.

No, no. It's more likely town would be this open about 'finding the masons' than scum.

[Peabody]

I didn't care for either wagon yesterday.

GM isn't clear because of the quick wagon, but it makes me think she's more likely to be town.

[Peabody]

Pea, thoughts on my case on Dave?

I remember liking Dave's posts in general, but after skimming over his iso, I can see why you have the questions you have toward him. I'd be interested in looking at Dave a little more in depth. I'm very interested in why Dave placed his vote back on NPAU after declaring the wagon a possible mistake.

What's your read on GM as of right now?

Still likely town. I'm just not a fan of her early game emotional defensiveness. It doesn't ring right to me, but the way that wagon formed on her and then dissipated so quickly means that something fishy was going on with it. Whether it was scum hopping on and off, or scum hopping on while town abandoned ship. A GM flip will help any analysis of this wagon, but I think GM is town. No, I'm not saying to lynch her before anyone asks me that. xD

I think that from {BBT, Mala, Josh} we'll find our scum. Don't know which 2. Uctritron comes in a distant 4th.

Why do you choose Josh over BBT and Mala?

Wisdom, I'm scum reading your slot because Metal Sonic said that both GM and NPAU were scum, dispite obvious in game conflicts between the two parties.

I know you've said this a billion times in thread, but I still don't get the logic behind it. Can you please explain your thought progression from MS thinks GM and NPAU were scum together to MS is scum? Maybe I'm not reading this well enough?

BBT, what changed your read on me from town to scum in two pages?

I also said if you had the slightest inkling that NPAU was Mason, you would have got off that wagon altogether.

He did hop off the wagon... My question is why he hopped back on it.

Peabody's behavior around the deadline, on the other hand, makes me more sure he's scum. Robotically talking about what a no-lynch does, calling both wagons town when it was inevitable one of them is getting lynched, setting up future targets to push.

I can't say much to this except I was frustrated the person I wanted to be lynched didn't even have a wagon on him. There was a real threat that there was going to be a no-lynch, and after playing a horribly frustrating game not long ago, I'm a little more paranoid about this happening. I felt uneasy about BBT's request to vote GM without question, so I didn't. Yes, I was being rebellious. NPAU was also pinging me as town. So what do I do when there is 12 hours left to lynch and no one is budging? The best I could do at that time with the amount of analysis I've done so far was to just hammer one of them so we don't reach a no lynch.

[Peabody]

How'd your read change in two pages after I haven't posted, BBT?

[Peabody]

nopointinactingup: Scripten, Metal Sonic, Huntress, Malakittens, davesaz, Peabody, ucitron00

Here's how I'm reading the wagon;

Conf. Town, leaning town, leaning town, leaning town, scum, town, null.

Why town on Peabody?

Did you finish reading yet?

[Peabody]

The reason I ask has nothing to do with post 1093, sorry for quoting.

[Peabody]

I've not really pushed my reads yet because I'm not confident in very many of them.

I just need to sit down and spend time analyzing this game because I find the quote wars really really hard to follow.

The only reads I'm confident on are GM as town, Mala as town, and MS(Wisdom) as town.

Heph pings me as scum, although his reaction to my vote makes me WIFOM myself. Uct pinged me as town from the 1v1 vs Shinobi. Shinobi didn't ping me as town until Shinobi backed off.

I didn't like Zeb as town until he explained his reads list better. Dave hasn't pinged me as town or scum either way yet because I've not been paying attention to him very much in terms of alignment.

[Peabody]

Actually put GM in a 'leaning town' category. Her emotional defensiveness toward the beginning of the game didn't feel right. The fast build and derail of the wagon is, in fact, a large reason I see her as town, although I understand there's disagreement on that.

[Peabody]

Holy carp on a fishline. Five more pages.

This is a prod dodge just because I can't post today. It's my bday and I'm celebrating.

I promise I'll answer your questions, Wisdom. (Only read 45 and skimmed 46-50 atm).

[Peabody]

Posting on Sunday. Expect it. CHARGEE!

[Peabody]

Hi. Very sorry. Posting within a few hours.

[Peabody]

BBT's 1v1 vs DaveAZ doesn't look good to me. The push on Dave is based on Dave not doing a certain expected action like 'make another wagon with two days until deadline.' See, I mean, I'm shrugging at this because it's putting expectations on a specific person for a specific action when the way every poster interacts is unique. Maybe gunning for another wagon is something BBT would do, but maybe not Dave. I know it takes a while for me to develop scum reads after I townread the one I voted for.

I like Wisdom for 1254 and 1272. Way to read my thoughts while I read the thread. Although the first time you said it in 1254, I was thinking of BBT.

The better part of the push is focusing how dave jumped back on NPAU wagon. Which, Dave answered quite well in 1116.

I was going to vote BBT and then I saw his pointing out of Dave's townslip in 1335.

BBT confuses the hell out of me. But this looks town motivated unless both Dave and BBT are scum. They probably aren't. I'm town reading both at this point now. I don't understand why he's still posting distracting stuff to Dave if he thinks Dave is town. Wait... BBT, is dave town?

Idk, BBT's case feels really convoluted because Dave wound up on the wagon anyway. I'm probably going to look over what he's saying but I didn't feel particularly convinced when I read his case the first time.

What do you think of BBT pointing out a possible Dave scumslip after tunnelling him?


I got a town read on Uct based on the 1v1. Wisdom had a question about that:
It was based on Uct calling Shinobi out for his non-existent case. His frustration with Shinobi looked real, and yes, while it appeared he was painting Shinobi in a bad light, the motivation appeared to be frustration more than anything. Additionally, I found myself agreeing more with Uct while I was reading the 1v1. Shinobi did -not- make his case clear, and simply not saying why he was voting uct when asked made Shinobi more suspect to me.

His unvote on Uct was good. And Shinobi can be town for that now.

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I was tempted to say I'm liking Josh_B as town at the moment too. Where the general vote feelers are converging for multiple people, Josh is townreading me. But on second thought, his soft defense of me, his town read, isn't really indicative of anything. Especially since he is deciding to remain open and willing to listen to a case on me. It could possibly be posturing at worst and him being unsure at best. Strange that he's still defending a town read. I'm letting emotions into this read.

I didn't like Josh's hop onto MS near the end of deadline. I didn't like his self-vote. I didn't say anything about this because I generally overall had the impression he was town. The truth is that I haven't read into him much, and I find my playstyle this game is very reactionary than proactive. (It's definitely because of the huge amounts of information coming in every time I come to post. I find it hard to grasp. I feel like I'm 'catching up' with every post.)

me it must mean you've reached a conclusion, yes?

You're a good player. I have respect for your style. After this is all over, I hope that you can give me some tips on my play.

Scumclaim.

I didn't like that response from Josh either.

Long story short: Josh has done a few suspect things and while I was originally town-reading him (based on an entrance post), I am no longer town reading him. I don't necessarily scum read him either, although the above quote is hella weird.
It reminds me a lot of a previous game I played where a scum player was the target of a townperson's case. Scum said the case was good, but it's wrong. The fact that was said basically was an admission that townperson was right.

[Peabody]

I know the above post may seem disorganized with me going back and forth on things. I wrote the post as I read the last 10 pages. Keep that in mind.

[Peabody]

How is that scummy of Shinobi, huntress?

[Peabody]

How is that scummy of Shinobi, huntress?

Because his post gave a false impression of the situation.

Am I right in assuming you think one of uct and Shinobi is scum?

If I step back and assume BBT is town to be asking that question (which is unproven but is a reasonable what-if) then I'm wondering the same thing. I could see one being active and holding back strategically, but you'd expect at least one sheep and possibly two.

Maybe because they are posturing for a Peabody lynch. Yesterday, I was on a majority of the town's TOWN list. Now I'm the target of an 'eh, I'd lynch him'. You won't be able to make anything of this until after my flip, but it may be helpful to look at the pattern now so this doesn't fall through the cracks. Especially if I'm deemed 'town' again and not lynched.

After BBT continued tunnelling you, I think people saw your answers as reasonable.

[Peabody]

*poses*

[Peabody]

I'm going to try to be more active so I don't have to catch up on every post. You guys are averaging like 3 pages a day. o.o

No promises, but I cannot let this game do this too me. The vast amount of information flowing is paralyzing me.

[Peabody]

to me*

[Peabody]

Tbh that looks like an over reaction to me

The only thing that happened was wisdom posting one sentence

If you're talking about my 1459, it wasn't supposed to act as a reply to Wisdom.

Peabody, why did you vote for NPAU?

The choice was between GoodMorning and NPAU. I didn't like either choice. There needed to be a lynch. The fast wagon on GM made me choose NPAU. Additionally, I had town reads on a majority of those voting for NPAU. The more null/scum reads were on Good Morning.

I didn't like Josh's hop onto MS near the end of deadline. I didn't like his self-vote.

What do you think I should have done? It's obvious that we took different actions. I moved my vote to someone that I thought was scum.

me voting myself was only half of the situation

-What do you think of Mala voting me after calling me town, instead of her claimed scum reads? What do you think of Mala's not wanting to vote her scum read, because I was voting it?

These are the questions I was thinking about when I voted myself to L-5

What do you think about Mala moving her vote to the wagon rather than to her scum reads. What do you think about Mala's support of the two wagons?

I'm just never a fan of self-voting. It's a WIFOM. It throws confusion into the game. It's an awesome thing if you're scum, but not so much if you're town.

As for Mala, she switched her vote based on her town vibe she got on you turning to a scum vibe. I don't blame her for the change. She does keep her vote on you for a bit while questioning others. As for her support of the two wagons, I'm a bit confused as to what you're referring to. She had a massive town read on GM. It makes sense at deadline she would vote someone who isn't GM if they are ready to be strung up.

This first part is a direct copy of my own stance on BBT's dave push. See 1254 for details.

I can't prove it, but I wrote that before I read your stance. I then acknowledged your stance when you got to it. xD

Actually, same deal with my question to Shinobi. It's what happens when you are ten pages behind.

[Peabody]

Townish

Malakittens
Shinobi
GM
Wisdom
Daveaz

BBT {I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK OF YOU}

POE pile
Josh_B
ucitron
Huntress
Hephaestus

^ Where I stand currently.

[Peabody]

POE pile? Meaning you have absolutely no true scum reads, just people who aren't town?

Most of my reads are town reads based off of something that happened in the game. Heph, BBT, and Zebulon were all scum reads of mine at one point. I decided to put PoE pile. These reads are not solidified. I want to reexamine Heph, but it's been a long time since my suspicion, and I've been a bit paralyzed at all this info. So, no definitive scum reads yet. I'm confident they will come.

Josh's genuine frustration and his town read on me make me think town, but he's done other stuff that has puzzled me. I kinda want to put him in the pile with BBT.

Bleh, I'll sheep. I like Wisdom's response to Josh talking to him like he's town when he said Wisdom was scum earlier.

VOTE: JoshB

[Peabody]

I'm most sure of my Mala read than anything.

[Peabody]

Oh. Looking at the vote count and who is on the wagon, I need to do serious re-evaluation of my townreads if Josh is town.

[Peabody]

You mean like peabody is doing?

For the last time, I wrote the post as I read. It was not my intention to mirror anyone. I was listing my thoughts (which I wrote before I even read the others).

-_-

[Peabody]

You said he has spent the day tunnelling Josh, as if that somehow makes him scum. When it doesn't.

That 'contradiction' doesn't make Shinobi scum either.

I'm not a fan of Shinobi's play at all this game. He has basically played the 'lazy' card for the entirety of the game so far. I could certainly see him being scum, however, he is not a priority right now. There are scummier people to look at.

I need to review Uct because he has completely flew under my radar for this whole game.

You are choosing not to investigate Shinobi because there are other priorities, but you're willing to investigate Uct?

[Peabody]

GM is town because she doesn't seem at all worried about how she is viewed

Examples?

I get the exact opposite vibe.

[Peabody]

BBT, why are you pretending to scumread Wisdom?

Also, is dave scum or not?

[Peabody]

Wisdom, if BBT and Shinobi are scum, which scum is on the NPAU wagon?

Or do you think NPAU wagon was entirely town?

I'm trying to decide on the answer myself. Huntress, Dave, or Uct I think has at least one scum in it. I have a strong town read on Mala and Wisdom.

[Peabody]

Why would a scum!Wisdom change his reads from Josh when he was at L-1?

UNVOTE:

(^so nothing happens yet)

[Peabody]

Oh wow, ninja'd by like 3 people.

[Peabody]

BBT, did you decide Dave was town or not?

[Peabody]

HEY BBT,

DO YOU SCUMREAD DAVE OR NOT? (I asked this four times now.)

[Peabody]

It's not.

[Peabody]

I want to know your current thoughts. Since Dave, you've been focusing Josh and then Wisdom. Is Dave scum now?

[Peabody]

BBT is an enigma to me, but I think I should read him just like I would any other player.

His convictions are so over the top, they look fake. He has probably scum read everyone on the player list before backing down.

My speculation is he is on the aggressive so he doesn't have to be on the defensive. I know when I was scum in previous games, it was easy to be aggressive to either 1) put the spotlight on me so everyone would end up town reading me late game or 2) people would ignore me all together. I think I was onto something when I said BBT wasn't entirely truthful in his case pushing in the beginning of the game. I was thrown off just because he looked townie. However, there's nothing strong to indicate he's town to me anymore.

I don't understand why he pushed dave

after he townread him

.

BBT continually finds convenient things to continue pushing a player. Pushing someone for unanswered questions or for using meta or for gut reads or for inactivity keeps his tunnels going. While some of these can indicate scum, it appears BBT pushes these things past the likelihood of a player being scum alignment.

And now he declared he won't play and will only sheep. He finally just now answered my question on Dave indirectly by listing his top three scum reads which do not include Dave.

Case in a nutshell:
Fake convictions (as evidenced by his continued questioning of Dave even after he spotted the town slip, as well as the earlier push I called out in 220.

Also, I can't believe his scum read on Wisdom. I just can't.

VOTE: BBT

[Peabody]

Come on scum!

Get your asses on my wagon!

It's things like these that make me think you're faking your convictions.

[Peabody]

What makes Uct town to you?

[Peabody]

What in his iso?

[Peabody]

But you expect others to?

[Peabody]

If you scumread nearly everyone on the playerlist and have very few townreads, I'm very interested to know your thought process in your town read. You're very difficult to read.

Additionally, when you push cases and then back off, i want to know -why- you back off. IE Dave.

[Peabody]

It sounds like you set up rules for yourself to follow as any alignment. Am I right?

[Peabody]

Which is why you're so hard to read.

-_-

[Peabody]

Thanks for the replace.

And Mala, are you referencing BBT as a town read? Or did you only mean Shinobi?

[Peabody]

I didn't see that supposed town slip mala referenced. However, the way BBT reacted to my vote and began dialogue-ing with me and Josh makes me feel better about my vote on him.

I admit I only looked at one of his scum games, but when someone accused him, he tried to convince the accuser he was town. He was being defensive. That was one my one reservation about voting BBT in the first place. It didn't look like he did it. Now he did. Kinda. So I feel a bit better about it.

The townslip could have been faked. Yes.

[Peabody]

I just looked at what was referenced. It doesn't look like a townslip.

Technically the entire town was involved in a discussion which included NPAU's lynch. If he forgot NPAU was dead as town, he can forget NPAU was dead as scum.

[Peabody]

I don't want Shinobi lynched. I will not switch to him.

[Peabody]

I expressed I'm not voting Shinobi because I had a feeling I was going to be one of the ones on the off-wagon again and be asked to switch my vote. Shinobi isn't one of the ones I'd like to see lynched today, and since there is time before deadline, it's better to say it now than to be forced to vote him later.

Shinobi's frustration looks real, which is why I'm not voting him.

The way I phrased it the way I phrased it is because I wanted someone to ask me why. But I suppose in retrospect, I could have just said why I wouldn't vote shinobi in one sentence. (See second paragraph).

[Peabody]

837 - Uct is town, Shinobi not so much. Follow up to come when he is on his laptop. This never comes.

Okay, yes, this did come eventually, but it was only after I was prodded on it. However, regardless, what motivation would scum have to promise a follow up and then not follow through? No one was asking me what I made of the shinobi/uct 1v1. I only posted my cursory thoughts, then I got lazy. What would be the point as scum to delay? In fact, I would think scum would be more sure to follow up.

Yeah, this isn't alignment indictive.

995 - This post is odd. He states that he thinks GM could be scum because of her lack of effort and emotional defence. He follows this to say that he simply does not see the case for NPAU being scum. In summary, he can see GM being scum for reasons, but he does not see NPAU as scum, he just doesn't town-read him. Yet, he ends up on the NPAU wagon completely ignoring his own reads and following who he thinks is town. This is bad logic, he saw a reason for GM being scum, GM was a viable lynch, but he decided not to pursue it in favour of somebody he could not see as being scum.

I can see how this could look as if I was scum reading GM and town reading NPAU. This isn't the case. The two were both very close in terms of who to choose in my mind. This is why I was so frustrated about the wagons. Both of them were not top choices of mine for scum. I was going back and forth on them both.

I generally as a player do not attribute effort to alignment. However, Mala did mention something about GM doing this as scum often. Sure, it pinged me as somewhat scummy only after Mala said that. The emotional defense is more what pinged me as a GM scum because I believe I played a game with her earlier, and she reacted with such emotional appeal when she was actually scum. However, the quick wagon on GM looked like GM was town. I wanted to delay a GM lynch because the wagon on her looked so scummy. It was a good choice because now GM is a pretty solid town read of mine.

NPAU's vote hopping did not ping me as scum. I failed to town read him. I didn't scum read him either. I saw Heph as scum.

The tipping point here which made me choose NPAU over GM was 1) the quick wagon on GM and 2) pretty much ALL of the people on the NPAU wagon was a town read of mine. Heph was on GM. The GM wagon was more shady to me than NPAU. So I chose NPAU.

1005 - Over-reaction. He 'hates' both these wagons. Both are 'probably' town. Wait, NPAU is now a town-read? Because in 970, you specifically state that you're not town-reading NPAU. Looking for some town-cred after the NPAU lynch?

It's not an over-reaction. It's what I was feeling at the time. NPAU was not an ideal lynch for me. No, I wasn't really town-reading him even after saying he's probably town. I was more just... Well, I hated the lynch choices. I would have rather it have been on heph.

Check out my reply to the last quote.

1007 - He casually throws a scum-read out. Conveniently, right at the end of the day. You would expect him to follow this up at the start of D2. He doesn't. To my memory, still hasn't.

My thought here was Huntress was doing a good job out of the spotlight. I still haven't reread her except for a skim. Nothing really alarms me about her now except she hasn't been examined for pretty much the entire game, minus Mala trying to get a read on her. I thought about her day 2, but decided not to pursue anything since I didn't really see anything outstanding in her iso as I skimmed.

1095 - He semi-agrees with my case on Dave. He needs to look at Dave in-depth. This also never happens.

It did come. Right here. First paragraph.

1101 - Reads list. Here we go, he was scum-reading Huntress and he had to look at Dave in-depth as well. This is it. Sadly, no, it isn't. In fact, he doesn't even mention Huntress, he begins to pursue Heph again. He also states that 'Dave hasn't pinged him as town or scum because he hasn't been paying attention to him in terms of alignment'. So, you're not trying to get a read on Dave because....

See my answer above. I eventually said what I thought about Dave v BBT 1v1. I thought his answers were reasonable. You can see later that I put him on my town list. Right now it's more null than town. Yes, my reads change.

1446 - I think Wisdom pointed this one out. He pretty much sheeps everything Wisdom has said. He town-reads Uct in this post.

Let me outline my posting process one more time since no one seems to listen to this. I had five pages to read to catch up. I was behind. So, I posted my thoughts as I read in Notepad. I wrote my thoughts, post by post, and tried to arrange them in a way that makes sense. As I got to Wisdom's posts, why should I delete my own thoughts when they were said by others? You want to know what I'm thinking right?

Anyway, after I see more things while I'm writing my post, I revise them. You'll see in my 1146 that I do give credit to Wisdom for part of my thought process, but it doesn't nullify that I was thinking it as I read it.

It was not an intentional sheep.

1514 - Reads-list. He is scum-reading Uct. Why did this change? Still scum-reading Huntress, whilst doing nothing about it.

No no no. I was NOT scum reading UCT. I put him in my PoE pile. I decided Uct's 1v1 vs Shinobi doesn't actually mean a town Uct. I decided Shinobi came out more town than Uct later. Yes, it's a complete change in my opposite thought process earlier in the game. However, reads change. Mine changed because my townread on Uct was based on his logic. However, I realize, scum could have logic. Shinobi is town because he backed off of Uct. It seemed town motivated.

Also, GM to answer your question on Shinobi's frustrations: look at Shinobi's reaction to Wisdom's tunneling. He is frustrated and passionate about the frustration. I just saw it as town. Take these posts as examples: 1760 and 1761 and 1765.

Pea continually states his 'scum reads' but never actually follows up on them. He is continually 'catching up' which makes him look ridiculously town and I believe this is one of the main reasons I kept my town-read on him as long as I did.

His reads are inconsistent and I don't feel like they're genuine.

Yes, I do fail to follow up sometimes. But that's absolute laziness on my part.

My reads seem inconsistant because they constantly change even though I don't always explain why. Sometimes I read things impulsively, and other times there are specific instances which cause me to town read those I previously thought were scum or null.

The reads you are asserting are inconsistant are NPAU and Uct. You assert I didn't follow up on huntress or Dave. I explained both of these things in the post above.

[Peabody]

Let's revisit this post.

I have Mala, GM, and Davesaz as town.
Peabody is town, but I'm less sure.

That leaves BBT and Shinobi claiming to know that each other is town, but claiming to not be masons.
And that Leaves
Wisdom/MS and Nero/heph claiming that each other is town.

I'm definitely thinking that one group is scum. Are they scum or are they masons? or are neither of them scum, and neither of them masons.
It's like it's multiball only one team is town and one team is scum.

Without getting into masons again, I have a big question about your comment that the Wisdom/MS and Nero/heph slots are claiming each other as town. Can you point to the places where these slots actually said that, in a definite way? Not just a read between the lines joking around type incident, but where they actually meant it?

Eh, Not sure this should be answered.

[Peabody]

I don't know how he'll respond to it. He doesn't seem to be afraid to out mason suspects.

[Peabody]

Okay, yes, this did come eventually, but it was only after I was prodded on it. However, regardless, what motivation would scum have to promise a follow up and then not follow through? No one was asking me what I made of the shinobi/uct 1v1. I only posted my cursory thoughts, then I got lazy. What would be the point as scum to delay? In fact, I would think scum would be more sure to follow up.

Can you link me to it please?

The motivation as scum is that you appear to be scum-hunting. You also appear to be willing to express your reads. However, you don't follow up on these reads which make them seem fake.

Sure. It's here and halfway down.
It was way late, but I did end up sharing why I thought the way I did. I did end up following up on Dave in terms of your and his 1v1. I followed up on Uct based on him vs shinobi. I did not follow up on huntress in thread. I skimmed her, but didn't really see anything which immediately stood out.

My issue with following up is this game is the longest/fastest moving game I've ever played. I'm just having trouble sifting through all this info. When I see the magnitude of the pages, my apathy sets in. However, most of my reads, I have followed up on eventually. Unless you're thinking of a specific read apart from huntress?

I can see how this could look as if I was scum reading GM and town reading NPAU. This isn't the case.

Yeah, except I explicitly stated that you were not town-reading NPAU. I don't understand why you're suggesting otherwise.

I was referencing when I later said NPAU was 'probably town'. Which you mentioned.

Now, logic dictates that if you find Person A (GM) 'somewhat scummy' and Person B (NPAU) 'null', that you end up on Person A's wagon. This did not happen. Inconsistency.

I just explained why I voted NPAU over GM.

Here:

I can see how this could look as if I was scum reading GM and town reading NPAU. This isn't the case. The two were both very close in terms of who to choose in my mind. This is why I was so frustrated about the wagons. Both of them were not top choices of mine for scum. I was going back and forth on them both.

I generally as a player do not attribute effort to alignment. However, Mala did mention something about GM doing this as scum often. Sure, it pinged me as somewhat scummy only after Mala said that. The emotional defense is more what pinged me as a GM scum because I believe I played a game with her earlier, and she reacted with such emotional appeal when she was actually scum. However, the quick wagon on GM looked like GM was town. I wanted to delay a GM lynch because the wagon on her looked so scummy. It was a good choice because now GM is a pretty solid town read of mine.

NPAU's vote hopping did not ping me as scum. I failed to town read him. I didn't scum read him either. I saw Heph as scum.

The tipping point here which made me choose NPAU over GM was 1) the quick wagon on GM and 2) pretty much ALL of the people on the NPAU wagon was a town read of mine. Heph was on GM. The GM wagon was more shady to me than NPAU. So I chose NPAU.

It's not an over-reaction. It's what I was feeling at the time. NPAU was not an ideal lynch for me. No, I wasn't really town-reading him even after saying he's probably town. I was more just... Well, I hated the lynch choices. I would have rather it have been on heph.

So you wasn't town-reading him, even though you said he was 'probably town'. Got it.

Didn't you didn't say I wasn't townreading NPAU? I was frustrated with the wagons. I didn't like either choice. I was flopping back and forth on what I thought of his alignment. I was frustrated I was pinned into one or the other, so I said in my exasperation that both were probably town. I said what I said, hoping he would flip scum. Part of me did entertain the thought he was town, however, and I know you'll probably jump on this as being an inconsistancy. But the truth is that I kept going back and forth at that time. But what was I to do with the deadline approaching rapidly?

My thought here was Huntress was doing a good job out of the spotlight. I still haven't reread her except for a skim. Nothing really alarms me about her now except she hasn't been examined for pretty much the entire game, minus Mala trying to get a read on her. I thought about her day 2, but decided not to pursue anything since I didn't really see anything outstanding in her iso as I skimmed.

This is so weirdly worded. The fact is, you didn't follow up on your throw-out scum-read. If that was a legit read, as soon as NPAU flipped town, you should have been ISO'ing Huntress ready to pressure her D2. This didn't happen. Makes your reads seem fake.

Yep, I was lazy. It was a throw-out read, yes. It's something I said in the moment, then I skimmed her iso, and didn't really have proof or a case. Just that she wasn't being paid attention to.

It did come. Right here. First paragraph.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's you giving your opinion on my case on Dave?

That is very different to you actually ISO'ing and analyzing Dave for yourself. Which is what you said you would do.

I decided he was town. Now he's null. No, I didn't full on analyze him. I analyzed him based off of your 1v1. Which made me feel content on it at the time. Also, keep in mind I said that right before I reached peak apathy and didn't post for a few days.

No no no. I was NOT scum reading UCT. I put him in my PoE pile.

My bad, so there's no scum in your PoE pile? You're saying you essentially don't have one single scum-read?

I didn't have one, no. I do have one now.

======================

BBT, why, when you scum read Wisdom, are you gunning for my lynch now? Why did you wait until Wisdom said he could be wrong about me? Why were you talking to me like I was town when I accused you of being scum?

[Peabody]

Well, I hated the lynch choices. I would have rather it have been on heph.

This 's me. Where were you when I was trying to lynch Heph? Oh, I remember. You were complaining that I self voted.

I didn't complain you self-voted until the beginning of D2. Is this when you're referencing?

I didn't care about lynching Heph when he was away. He seemed like an irrelevant wagon at the time.

[Peabody]

Dammit, Wisdom really got into my head.

I see what you did there.

Sooo, vote BBT, Josh?

[Peabody]

What does me previously scum-reading Wisdom have to do with you? Wasn't it you who pointed out I was 'pretending' to scum-read Wisdom? Did you think I was setting you up for a fall? You're awfully paranoid.

What does Wisdom saying he could be wrong have to do with you? Hell, would it not have been easier for me to just jump along for the ride when Wisdom was scum-reading you? This question makes no sense.

Those questions are filler. Serious filler.

This is blatant misrepresentation. Do you really believe that in a massive wall post to respond to you that I need filler questions? I really want to know. Because if you say you do, I don't believe you. I have no idea what you're talking about 'setting up for a fall'. Paranoia? Hell no. Paranoia has nothing to do with this.

I'm showing YOUR inconsistency. You townread Wisdom, wanted me or Josh lynched, and then when Wisdom changed his mind, you scumread wisdom up to the point of him saying I could possibly be scum again. Why do you need his permission to start a vote on me? You waited until Wisdom voiced suspicion to try to push a case on me. It's opportunistic.

No, I didn't follow up with an in-depth analysis on dave. I feel no need to do it right now. So I won't.

I see Huntress's aggressiveness in 723, 871 on her number 2 point, a twinge of it in 870 too when talking to Josh. It doesn't concern me anymore, and after looking at the meta, she's overall pretty levelheaded anyway. That aggressiveness doesn't spark a scum read in me anymore.

Huntress, I know you said you are voting me based on inconsistancy, and I want to know which inconsistancies YOU are referencing. Is your case the same as BBT's? Do you have more to add?

[Peabody]

Actually, same question to Mala as I asked Huntress.

[Peabody]

Get votes off Shinobi.

I highly doubt a scum would protest lynches because the people are 'boring'.

xD

Shinobi, please also explain your vote.


When I flip town, I want these cases from huntress, Mala, and Shinobi out there for wagon analysis later please.

[Peabody]

And if I don't flip they are nice to have.

Weee, double double posting!

Good night.

[Peabody]

What am I misrepresenting exactly? Those questions were awful questions; what was the purpose of them?

You thought my read on Wisdom was fake. What made you think this and why did you say it?

Yeah, Wisdom's hard reset was pretty bad. His reads completely reversed, why would I not question it?

So, I town-read Wisdom when he was wanting you or Josh lynched; now, why did I not join Wisdom in wanting you lynched at this time if I was waiting for his permission?

Why is it opportunistic to wait for one person to say you might be scum? It might be opportunistic if 3 or 4 people expressed interest in lynching you and you had a couple of votes; but you didn't.

I think I was the first one to vote you. You're going to have to explain the opportunism to me because I don't see it.

There were already three or four that expressed interest in my lynch. Mala, huntress, you, Wisdom. You were the first one to vote. It was opportunistic.

I didn't believe your scum read on Wisdom because it was such a radical change. You turned from wagoning with him and pushing for a Josh lynch with him to hard-scum reading Wisdom. You were very vocal about getting someone on Josh's wagon at first as Wisdom led the charge. How can I believe you hard scumread Wisdom when he changed his mind? He was probably the most townie player in the game. I just couldn't believe it because how blatantly townie Wisdom was.

Sure, you can question him. But a full 180 tunneltunnelTUNNEL? No way.

The purpose of my questions were to show your inconsistancy and opportunism to others.

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Huntress, yes, please expound on those reasons if you can.

Hey guys, if I get lynched, I want as many people posting reasons as possible. If we get a Mala, Shinobi, huntress (well, now she gave at least some reason) wagon on me with no explanation, it puts us as square zero tomorrow if I flip. It's not hard to make up reasoning after the fact the next day as to why someone jumped on my wagon.

And Shinobi, unless you explain your case, a 4 days til deadline vote just because looks pretty fishy. Four days is a LONG time for wagons to form.

Mala voted with no reasoning coupled with her vote. So did Huntress (and thankfully she provided at least something now).

If there are scum on my wagon, I'm inclined to think it's Huntress (because of the way she joined the wagon, although I'd like to see her expanded reasoning to see for sure) and BBT. Shinobi is town for reasons I listed. Mala is too authentic in her gut reading to be scum too.

Uct, if you hop on my wagon, you should say why.

There seems to be a lot of people with reasoning of 'I have no problem with this lynch' with

no added reasoning

. It's fishy enough already.

[Peabody]

Additionally, I feel no one is reading our 1v1.

Those who did, I think, would know I'm town.

[Peabody]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BBT

I can't shake the feeling that peabody is going for towncred after a Shinobi townflip. That post sounded like neither town disagreeing with a wagon nor a scumbuddy.

If Shinobi is town (which I'm still not even sure of), this is definitely worth a look.
If Shinobi is scum then maybe Peabody is a teammate defending him (more likely) or Peabody is a town who knew what's up (which I doubt; the way this game is going I doubt there are any 100% accurate town reads from anyone in this game)

With all the respect in the world, uct, I really hope this isn't the reason you give if you vote me.

I don't know Shinobi's alignment with 100% accuracy, so it would be silly to vote me based on this speculation.

I do believe I have some pretty accurate town reads currently though. GM, Wisdom's slot, Mala, and Shinobi are among the top.

Which, hold on...

How would you guess that there aren't any 100% accurate town reads? We only had one flip.

[Peabody]

Why would you even say that?

[Peabody]

@Peabody: I don't really have a great reason. I'm sheeping. If you think I have some great case on you, you are mistaken.

I don't. I'm just trying to prompt you to give reasoning behind your vote.

[Peabody]

Aegor, at least skip ahead and read the last 15 pages or something before you vote.

[Peabody]

I'd still love to hear reasons from those on my wagon for reasons I stated earlier. It feels like two have reasons. Rest are sheep.

[Peabody]

I said reasons a lot.

[Peabody]

That wasn't my intention, Huntress.

Shinobi, I don't think a Josh lynch is feasible and BBT is a much better lynch in my opinion. I'm keeping my vote here.

[Peabody]

That wasn't my intention, Huntress.

Shinobi, I don't think a Josh lynch is feasible and BBT is a much better lynch in my opinion. I'm keeping my vote here.

hm.

?

[Peabody]

If Shinobi is town (which I'm still not even sure of), this is definitely worth a look.
If Shinobi is scum then maybe Peabody is a teammate defending him (more likely) or Peabody is a town who knew what's up (which I doubt; the way this game is going I doubt there are any 100% accurate town reads from anyone in this game)

How would you guess that there aren't any 100% accurate town reads? We only had one flip.

Do you mind answering this when you get the chance, Uct? Also why did you say it?

[Peabody]

What do you think of my wagon growing so quickly Pea?

Still confident I am scum?

Do I still think you are scum? Yes. Am I 100% sure? No.

[Peabody]

Did you not see how BBT is talking to me like I'm town, asking me what I think about his wagon?

[Peabody]

I think Dave is town if BBT is scum.

[Peabody]

If Shinobi is town (which I'm still not even sure of), this is definitely worth a look.
If Shinobi is scum then maybe Peabody is a teammate defending him (more likely) or Peabody is a town who knew what's up (which I doubt; the way this game is going I doubt there are any 100% accurate town reads from anyone in this game)

How would you guess that there aren't any 100% accurate town reads? We only had one flip.

Do you mind answering this when you get the chance, Uct? Also why did you say it?

answering what?

I want to know why you think there are any 100% accurate town reads and why you said this?

[Peabody]

Town uct still has the option to no-lynch if he thinks you're town, in which case we get to see what Aegor is made of. If he shows up.

Yeah, but it's probably better to see a flip than to get a no lynch anyway. If you want me to live, you can swap back. I feel like you're a bit conflicted.

[Peabody]

What do you think of my wagon growing so quickly Pea?

Still confident I am scum?

Does this not come from someone who thinks I'm town? Or at least doesn't necessarily think I'm scum?

[Peabody]

I'm trying to show BBT's inconsistency.

[Peabody]

Then why do you care what I think about your wagon?

[Peabody]

If Shinobi is town (which I'm still not even sure of), this is definitely worth a look.
If Shinobi is scum then maybe Peabody is a teammate defending him (more likely) or Peabody is a town who knew what's up (which I doubt; the way this game is going I doubt there are any 100% accurate town reads from anyone in this game)

How would you guess that there aren't any 100% accurate town reads? We only had one flip.

Do you mind answering this when you get the chance, Uct? Also why did you say it?

answering what?

I want to know why you think there are any 100% accurate town reads and why you said this?

Tomorrow, please look at this, town.

I'm concerned that Uct may have slipped a hint of knowing something he shouldn't know as town.

[Peabody]

Wanted to make sure you still thought I was scum if my lynch went through.

Yes, but if I was scum, I would know your alignment. You asked me as if I don't know your alignment. Hence, you spoke to me like I am town.

[Peabody]

I took note of that, and have been asking questions related to the concept.

Thanks.

[Peabody]

double hammer, woo.

[Peabody]

Check out my wagon. Look how many people haven't given reasoning or have given poor reasoning.

Look at how many people voiced a 'Wouldn't mind his lynch'. Avenge my death!

Hooah, soldiers. xD

[Peabody]

I understand. But why do you doubt that anyone has 100% accurate town reads? And what do you mean by that phrase? '100% accurate town read'?

[Peabody]

I'm town.

GM, Wisdom's slot, Mala are strong town reads. Shinobi's probably town. Dave's probably town.

I question Uct's alignment based on that statement he made. BBT is obviously a scum read of mine. Check out Heph.

Also follow my wagon formation all the way from when the Josh wagon was in place. Look at who was scum reading me. It made an opportunistic atmosphere for this lynch.

[Peabody]

Should probably take a look at huntress since she got nearly zero spotlight too.

[Peabody]

Is that an answer to my question? It's unclear.

What I mean is, what does '100% accurate town read' mean? Like, what is the definition of that? And why do you doubt others have them?

Maybe you answered it in the above post, but I don't understand.

[Peabody]

I question Uct's alignment based on that statement he made. BBT is obviously a scum read of mine. Check out Heph.

tbh i'm down with this

With which part? lol

[Peabody]

Oh. Ninja'd.

[Peabody]

Also, no hard feelings, BBT. Or anyone.

GG. Go town!

[Peabody]

'100% accurate town read'

I think Metal Sonic or Wisdom or Aegor are town and they are my strongest town reads.

But it could be wrong.

Thus it's not an accurate read.

This happens everywhere in Mafia, especially in games without cops or ****.

Yeah, but like... you could be 100% right. So the reason I ask why you said that is you seem to demonstrate knowledge that no one's town reads are right. That concerns me.

[Peabody]

Lol Nero, I'm basing the read off of Heph's play. And never did I say Nero is scum in that post.

[Peabody]

I never called Heph scum in that post either is what I'm saying.

[Peabody]

I said check out Heph.

[Peabody]

Nero, the hammer did happen. The mod just hasn't announced my alignment.

I'm town.

[Peabody]

In the DP? Double post? Day phase?

[Peabody]

You should discuss it Day 3 and not end game.

Or are you asking them as if they are scum?

[Peabody]

In the DP? Double post? Day phase?

Day Phase. It's a trend that hasn't picked up yet.

xD

[Peabody]

Eh, still not sold on a Josh scum yet, unless I'm missing something. I'm not townreading him either.

*shrugs*

Anyway, good game guys. I wish town luck and skill. ^_^

[Peabody]

Good games, guys.

I thought GM and Wisdom were masons together which is why my town reads were not waivering on them.

Nice job, mafia team!