Open 569 ~ Hope + 1 ~ Game Over!

[Sakura Hana]

So apparently someone thought it was a bright idea to not include a thread link /confirm or whatever.

Bins/Titus/(tn/bert) scumteam

later nerds

Ok cool guess i'm conftown now then.
notty's being obvtown.
pieguy's being scum

Vote: Team 9

OMGUS... Oh wait but i shouldn't be posting incriminating evidence...
OH DAMN GUESS YOU GOT ME!

On other news I'm thinking that using the same strategy as the previous game of this that i played, could work out.

[Sakura Hana]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5791709 for reference.

[Sakura Hana]

Off-Topic: Notty you forgot to tell me your steam...

P-Edit: Yes, the cop claimed by being idiot on that game so i had to come up with a way to try to sync up the docs.
P-Edit2: What.

[Sakura Hana]

There are so many good avatars this game. I am pleased.

Define: Good Avatar.
What's your read on PieInFreezer?

[Sakura Hana]

I dunno I found him opening with a vote and asking me if i'm town kinda awkward, I'd think pie would omit the "Are you town?" part and just wait for a reaction, It maaay be a bit of a stretch, but that's what I'm going with for the time being.

[Sakura Hana]

People that i'm going to have trouble sorting out: Varsoon, Titus.
Probably

[Sakura Hana]

That sounds pretty effective.

[Sakura Hana]

The only issue i see with it is that by the time you sort her, she's kind of... dead but I suppose to each their own.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura, why do you think NS was run up so quick but the game is stillbehaving like RVS for the most part?

Because people don't seem to want to analyse or question? That's my guess.

[Sakura Hana]

No its because notsci huge wagon on early d1 is nothing unusual.

It doesnt seem that normal to me, why did you decide to vote there instead of leaving your partner's vote on me who was clearly waiting for me to react?

[Sakura Hana]

Unvote
Vote: notty

There he's at L-1 can we drop the RVS now?

Unvote
Vote: Team 9

Tbh i find you harder to read than pieguy GiF

[Sakura Hana]

Pie- I don't think he sounds like he's spent all of pregame spamming the scum QT

Elaborate?

Varsoon- I'll probably reevaluate this later but I haven't hated what he's posted

Why put him as town with a "prob will reevaluate later"?

bulge- Because obv is bins is scum he is town

What. (Also why didn't Bins comment on this?)

[Sakura Hana]

I'm questioning your logic because I don't get your reasoning.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm falling for an obvious trap ain't i

Unvote
Vote: Bins

[Sakura Hana]

Also GiF Most AltSlippery Player of the game. (MAP) oh hey that sounds... cool i guess.

[Sakura Hana]

Can't say I'm not interested in the wagon, so might as well...

P-Edit: Pieguy, GiF, ffery, hanasawa?

[Sakura Hana]

lolwut

Why do you have 9 heads

lmfao

Me, pieguy, natirasha, hanasawa, fery, kuribo, nacho, thenewearth, and Varsoon for future member :3

-C

I guess Apocalypse has some competition.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh. How do I know this isn't one of scum-Gif's tricks to buddy me like Scum gif always does?

Leap of Faith obviously.

You mean Leap of Fate right?

[Sakura Hana]

hey bitmap rvs is over

"Help me Bitmap!"

For some reason this made me picture Bins going "TATSUKETE! EIRIIIN!!!!"

[Sakura Hana]

(Oh also, thank you for reminding me of mutiny on pieguy)

You're really gonna do it aren't you

[Sakura Hana]

The fuck happened to this game

-Rumia

I Happened.

[Sakura Hana]

bins started spamming it because I caught her

no i was just confused about the massive hydra

also i'm about as fluffy as you on a sunday morning
and it's all your fault

Well you could start by fixing that.
Unless you're scum then you can start by dying so we can get a head start.

[Sakura Hana]

Because ns is obvtown.

[Sakura Hana]

MAN WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN ALL THE TIME

Because i am here and scum shall fear my wrath!

Or so i would like to say... but I'm not always right sooooo

[Sakura Hana]

Let me help you:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=32374
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=44023

[Sakura Hana]

Totally relevant.

No you're supposed to link the IOSYS one, people are supposed to work hard to find the original.

[Sakura Hana]

its more because im wondering why the fuck when i play a game with you someone says "he's obvtown"

Because he's obvtown! What don't you get from that.

[Sakura Hana]

lol my first scumgame was more like me being derp, dat nostalgia.

[Sakura Hana]

this is indeed kind of a stretch, but that's not the point. why was your response to my reach out to alienate yourself from me right from the get go? this is not what I was expecting from you, especially given you told me you really wanted to play another game with me.

I didn't see it as a reach out, i saw it as a "OMG PIEGUY'S BEING WEIRD" kind of stuff.

[Sakura Hana]

ITT: pieguy actually makes me feel bad for voting him...

[Sakura Hana]

how was it not obvious it was a reach out? what did you think I was going for instead?

Well i don't know, I'd expect a reach out to be a "Let's work together and beat the crap out of scum!" instead of a "Here let me vote you and ask you if you're town".

[Sakura Hana]

Tho it is true that i actually wanted to play together with you and this is what i do, now i feel bad

[Sakura Hana]

and you didn't see "are you town" as an invitation to work together?

cos that's what it was

Nope I didn't, when i think of reach outs i think of like a paragraph or a wall text like the stuff i once said to town where i was hard defending scumcho or when i reached out to notty in touhou upick 2, Not just a simple "Are you town?" there's no emotion in that to be reach out.

[Sakura Hana]

Nope I didn't, when i think of reach outs i think of like a paragraph or a wall text like the stuff i once said to town where i was hard defending scumcho or when i reached out to notty in touhou upick 2, Not just a simple "Are you town?" there's no emotion in that to be reach out.

what's your current thoughts on tn?

-Rumia

My current thoughts is that I didn't like his wall. Nor the fact that he ended the wall with no conclusions but with a joke.

[Sakura Hana]

The game is still in RVS and yet you accuse ME of not having substance?

It isn't a question of whether the game is in RVS or not, it's a question of whether YOU are in RVS or not, because most people clearly aren't.

[Sakura Hana]

how does this fit into your meta view of tn?

I don't think i've ever played with tn? and if i did it was probably in an osu!mafia game that i probably don't remember, around the time he appeared i was dissapearing, so if you have meta of him let me know.

[Sakura Hana]

Like the only thing i remember of him related to mafia is him linking an ongoing mafia game on irc mafia and me getting mad about it and that's about it...

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura how opposed would you be to a flubber wagon

on a scale from 1 to 10... probably -3

[Sakura Hana]

What do you think of what we've heard from bins all game

Cutesy defense or actually trying

Ehhh neither tbh, i just feel lots of fluff and a bit of content every here and there, like sparkles of spices in the middle of a sugar-like ISO. Oh wait... guess that makes it the former.

[Sakura Hana]

But flubber's jump and tn's well are making me feel odd, if i had to pick i'd say it's more likely for Bins and tn to share the same alignment.

[Sakura Hana]

And evidently decides to joke towards Bins statements, which is making me think that both are teammates and now Bins is trying to distance...

[Sakura Hana]

Ah yeah i forgot about that game (considering i suicided killing CBot in the middle of D1.)

[Sakura Hana]

Because that's what it is

you haven't seen her blatantly buddying me all game

Eh, what does that make Flubber tho, do you really think the scumteam comes suiciding right off the bat like we did in Nyctapolis and somehow still won?

[Sakura Hana]

you and I must have different definitions of cherrypicking. mine is when someone selectively applies logic to one person but not another person. although I do agree the lack of of anything substantial is scummy

-Rumia

I'm thinking is more of the "He selectively grabbed fluff post quotes and avoided the content ones then decided to complain about the lack of content"

[Sakura Hana]

you and I must have different definitions of cherrypicking. mine is when someone selectively applies logic to one person but not another person. although I do agree the lack of of anything substantial is scummy

-Rumia

I'm thinking is more of the "He selectively grabbed fluff post quotes and avoided the content ones then decided to complain about the lack of content"

Lol, you say that like this game has content.

Fucking hilarious.

Indeed it does, and unless you think everyone else is scumbuddies here you gotta admit you're going off the wrong track

Is it possible to literally scumread an entire game?

Because you are making me wish it was, @all

Guess you do, *shrug*

[Sakura Hana]

How the fuck is bins at L-2?

Does anyone have non-RVS reasons for voting her?

We've already pointed out several non RVS reasons, go back and read.

[Sakura Hana]

Also does anyone else find it odd that tn complains about the lack of content and he doesn't generate any?

[Sakura Hana]

>Redirects me to "read the thread"
>Avoids interacting
>posts a passive-aggressive complaint about not providing content
>refusal to link to where content actually happened rather than the summary of it happening

[Sakura Hana]

If you aren't actually interested in playing with me, then give me one good reason why I shouldn't replace out now so I don't have to deal with your bullshit.

Here's a reason:

Unvote
Vote: tn

Now there's actual pressure on you. Oh, and so you don't misunderstand it as RVS

THIS IS A SERIOUS VOTE

[Sakura Hana]

Ok, so you aren't actually interested in pointing out where content happened.

I'm going to take that as you attempting to paint me as scum.

pieguy already pointed it out, it isn't our job to link you when you can just read, heck you can even comment on the things he mentioned, yet you decide to take this stance.

[Sakura Hana]

nvm tn might be town. I'd rather give him some room for now

What made you change your mind?

[Sakura Hana]

(except youre wrong)

This statement makes me rethink everything you've done in this game!!!!

[Sakura Hana]

i havent really done anything yet

And that's why you're being wagoned!!

[Sakura Hana]

Gotta stick to my guns.
We'll know someone's alignment tomorrow, hands down.
Hope +1

It'd be too risky for the cop to out with an inno rather than a guilty so we might not.
Also

Unvote
Vote: Bins

Vote of trust for pieguy and notty.

[Sakura Hana]

121 isn't fluff is stating that i have trouble reading those 2.
124 is sarcasm poking at Gaiden's idea of sorting Titus.
126 is explaining said sarcasm.
130 is me explaining something?.
133 me questioning GiF
151 me getting mad at people being still on RVS so i ended it.
186 is me voting for scum bins.
190 is me explaining said vote.
263 is me stating a read.
271 is me helping support my read on notty.
273 this is fluff, but im surprised you find that as a scummy attitude lol.
289 me telling pie why i didnt see his post as a reachout.
296 further explanation.

There weren't really any conclusions to be made other than the fact that this game is a mockery of Mafia.

I'm starting to think the issue here is your perception of fluff.

>blames me for being in rvs mode on my first post in the game

I was already seriously voting pieguy when i entered the game and had a legit townread on notty, why do you think you can't do the same?

Everyone else is doing exactly the same fucking thing. Why single out Bins?

The only people I see that still aren't being serious are you, Bins and flaffy or whatever, that's 3 and we have a scumteam of 3 this game, SURPRISE!.

Mind backing this up with proof?

You made a post about scumreading bins joke or not, yet you didn't vote her, and then when we pointed it out she immediately proceeded to scumreading you.

There wasn't really any serious content to grab.
Like I said earlier, this is a mockery of what Mafia is supposed to be.

Not really, i'm still not seeing why you see all that as fluff, as I guessed earlier, I'm starting to think the issue is your perception of fluff.

And yet you don't cite or link to them, leading me to believe you WANT your few points to be lost in the mire of bullshit.

Not really? they are easy to find, my ISO has very few fluff and I've already pointed out why your perception of fluff is farfetched.

Wow, this is like what, your third serious post this game? Congratulations, we might be actually playing mafia by page 50.

I am playing mafia, what game are you playing? Maybe i need to pot "SERIOUS POST" in bold on every post i'm not fluffing for you to realize people are playing the game except you?

I asked you for a link. You refuse to provide a link.
Do you know who else denies information to the public?
Scum.

Pieguy showed you the road, it's your choice to walk it or not.

[Sakura Hana]

do you think tn-scum would get visibly frustrated enough with you to consider replacing out?

After I got banned for doing stuff like that?

[Sakura Hana]

I still disagree yes, that can easily be faked (or at least I can). Notty can attest to that one game where it happened...

[Sakura Hana]

you act as if my game memory is perfect

Unless it's a game I majorly fucked up in I don't really remember it

Does you fake claiming masons with nati ring a bell?

[Sakura Hana]

Re: Your wall to team 9
So you find his posts wrt talking with me about the reach out ok, but you call my responses that i (and apparently you) was calling him out for fluff? WHAT IS THIS I DONT EVEN.

[Sakura Hana]

Doesn't warrant its own post.

Why not?

Doesn't warrant its own post.

Why not?

See above

Why not?

Might have miscategorized that. You comment that the game is in RVS and do nothing to get it out of that, however.

Considering that unlike you, I've already been playing seriously from the start, and when you came in you had no intention whatsoever to move the game away from such "RVS" as you call it. Hipocrisy.

put it there because unproductive wifom

What makes you feel that way? And why is it unproductive? Why is it wifom?

Which did a whole lot of nothing to improve the quality of this game.

It stopped the headless chickens that wanted to not post content because notty hadn't reached L-1.

I disagree on your read and the reasoning included in the post (which i read as fluff)

It's still a read and a reasoning, whether you agree with my read or not doesn't make the post fluff, instead you could have spend your time explaining why you disagree with it.

"I might as well". Please, I know you can play better than that. Fucking awful reasoning for non-RVS (As you claim)

So is me pursuing a lynch and see how it ends "bad play"? And why do you categorize "bad play" = "fluff"? Still it's content, regardless of where you liked what was posted or not, your reluctance to analyse or question said content and instead dismiss it as fluff, is more eyebrow rising tho.

Everyone says that everywhere, I considered it fluff/meme bullshit

What gave you this impression?

didn't follow the links, also fuck meta

So your logic is that you dont like meta = meta related posts are fluff? Sorry but nope. Try again.

How the fuck are people supposed to learn about new things with people intentionally misdirecting them?

What makes you think im intentionally misdirecting them when i was obviously commenting on GiF's video of posting an old touhou song?

While I agree with the point, it looks/looked reactionary when I was scanning your ISO. Context would probably have helped.

So in turn you didn't actually read the thread... GOOD JOB!

The issue here is the lack of seriousness in this game.

If you see that as an issue, what are YOU doing to fix it?

Because for me the game just started an hour or so ago.

Well that was your choice, not mine.

Wow, 3 townies dead, scum must love having you essentially on their side.

While i was being snarky with that response, what makes you so confident that both Bins and Flaffy are town?

And yet over 50% of your posts are fluff with less than 10% content.

As much as you want to call them fluff doesn't make them so.

Doing that only convinces me more that you truly aren't serious about playing.

No, im just calling you out on the irony that the only post that i said "SERIOUS VOTE" you deemed as serious, which is laughable and funny.

And why should I take explicit information denial as anything but a scum-motivated action?

Because it is assume you've read the thread, and should've reached the same conclusion wrt the ammount of fluff on it as everyone else if you actually did, but since you didn't it is assume that you're just scum skimming through the thread and want people to do the legwork for you.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura, we did this in Dummyville, it ended with you shooting Caligno (who was town)

Because he was mercenary hunting so i thought he was the SK? this is pretty unrelated.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm also reading your post as "I don't want you to be able to respond properly so I can call you scum" because of the way you formatted it.
If you have a problem with this, stop making it hard to tell at a glance which each comment is pointing to.

It would have been easier if you didn't respond to my questions or points in it's own quote, which makes it harder to read overall if we keep replying to each other on the same quote.

[Sakura Hana]

also lol @ finding it hard which point is a reply to when i replied to them in the exact same order that they appeared *shrug*

[Sakura Hana]

No idea, yet Mr (I WANT THIS OUT OF RVS) didn't find that odd...

[Sakura Hana]

I have absolutely no idea why you're getting so bent out of shape

1) He's most likely scum

2) If he's not scum he takes himself way too seriously

Because I'm exposing his lies for the world to see! /o/

[Sakura Hana]

Because you can put them all together and then you won't be literally spamming.

Not really? I post stuff as It goes through my head, I don't wait for it, besides Gaiden commented between those 2 posts, why do you call it spamming?

Already answered. Also you can't spell for shit. Hypocrisy.

Already answered? really? Then you're going to have to show me exactly how that post is me doing nothing to get out of it, because i see it otherwise. And idc if i can't spell?

"It doesn't seem normal to me" barely counts as reasoning.

It's me taking a stance, the post is still not fluff, regardless of you thinking that it has no reasoning, "not seeming normal" obviously means it's something "abnormal" or something "out of the ordinary", yet you obviously decide to ignore this fact.

I would say that no, it didn't actually accomplish that goal, but at least you tried. That's more than I can say for most.

Ok so we can now agree that, It was my intention to get people to stop being in RVS, so why is it a fluff post?

"Im falling for an obvious trap. Add otherwise naked vote without explanation."

And who would react to such post and in what way? Town or Scum?

You didn't give reasoning for bins vote, as proven by my reply above.

My reasoning was well explained, I wanted to pursue the wagon further and see where it went, it just happened to land on scum.

Every game I've ever been in where notscience is also a player OR replacement has followed the "oh ns isn't serious, obvtown" pattern

But I only say that when I'm townreading notty, there are times when I dont townread him right off the bat, there are times where i rethink that read, it's still a stance, whether you think it's a meme or not (Well it might be considering Mistakes Upick, but oh well details)

No, you did an IIoA post. Why don't YOU try again?

So me showing notty's scum games to show that this isn't his scum meta is IIoA? since when?

Your attitude in doing so reveals that you don't care that he is intentionally misdirecting people, which is IRLscummy/not exactly game relevant.

What makes you think that someone posting a song is misdirecting people... srsly?

Please invent more talking points.

No comment, you're already falling over your own guilt.

Wallposting.

So your idea for a fix is to post a contentless wall where all you do is complain about people and not do anything to fix it?

You call sleep a choice? Are you fucking serious?

It was your choice to call everything fluff and not take part in the game whether it was 1 hour or 10 days ago that you started playing it, it doesnt matter

Because historically your reads are unreliable on day one. inb4 meta hate (chaos in dummyville) is my source.

So am I scum, or town with bad reads, pick a side already. Also my reads aren't right all the time, im just calling out on the fact that the only people who had done nothing this game at this point were those 3, since you're calling out on people who've done nothing this game as scum and this game has 3 scum, guess what conclusion did i come to.

Just because your posts contain approximately 10% content doesn't mean your posts have a lot of content when the other 90% is fluff.

As I said, your definition of content is apparently everything that YOU don't like so... *shrug*. If you don't want to analyze content you don't like and dismiss it as fluff that's your issue, not mine.

No, if you actually read my reply you would see that I do not, in fact, believe you were serious about it. That would actually take a 5th grader's level of English comprehension, however. Something you don't always seem to possess.

Yet you don't seem to comprehend that fluff =/= posts you dont like.

I asked you for relevant links to what you were talking about and you didn't provide. It's clear from me ISOing you that you were hoping to hide your hypocrisy in calling others out on fluffposting from me when you did so.

I've already debunked all your "Fluff posting" theories, which means you're only matching posts to make them fit to your fluff posting that you were complaining about initially, and the only way you're keeping this act up is to make people think that you really thought those posts were fluff.

also lol @ finding it hard which point is a reply to when i replied to them in the exact same order that they appeared *shrug*

You intentionally didn't include the source post.

VOTE: Sakura Hana

I highlight to quote the relevant questions or parts of posts I'm answering, it's your choice to do things that way and people can easily follow post links to know where they lead, heck to answer your first wall where you ISO'd me i had to work with 2 tabs on my browser and i'm not complaining about it.

ITT: Look at how tn will complain about me "misleading people by not completely quoting his wall" again.

[Sakura Hana]

TN is looking better than Sakura, imo.

why?

-Rumia

Because they're scumbuddies obviously, we said this like as soon as tn entered and the way Bins reacted

[Sakura Hana]

I mean it's obvious by now tn is analysing my posts so there's content in them ergo Not Fluff, so we can conclude that he's full of BS.

[Sakura Hana]

Well I don't give a fuck when scum is scumreading me, because I know they're full of BS I spend my time showing just that (Thanks pieguy for that suggestion from a while ago btw).

P-Edit, no i'm not even voting him since a while ago lol

[Sakura Hana]

You play a lot different now than you used to.

So which one you prefer, the emotional me who would go? "FUCK YOU ALL, I'LL SHOW YOU THAT I'M NOT LYING -Self-Hammer-"
Or the one you see now.

[Sakura Hana]

"FUCK YOU ALL, I'LL SHOW YOU THAT I'M NOT LYING -Self-Hammer-"

ftr This actually happened
And it's one of the reasons i've been pursuing change since then.

[Sakura Hana]

Yeah, but before would lead me to things like early claims, self voting and self hammering, which dont help town at all, or the worst of all, replace outs which ended up in being the reason for me being banned. So still wasn't good, and I'm nice as long as people don't pull out BS cases which enjoy ripping apart (like tn's)

P-Edit: @Bins: They became more town, and tbf, i felt bad about ignoring pieguy's reachout.
P-Edit2: @tn: Before i reply to that, have you ever tried highlight a portion of text with your mouse and clicking the quote button on that window? That's what i do to reply to stuff, it's easier than quoting the whole thing and cutting irrelevant parts of questions not directed at me, etc. When you post stuff with your replies inside of it, it makes it harder for me to reply without highlighting, because this ignores formatting.

[Sakura Hana]

Because it is.

It seems like you're running out of ammo, no need to comment on this.

So you ignored me answering this question, which was the question directly above this one in 409 Why don't you ISO the thread?

Why didn't YOU read the thread?

And yet you never explain why you believe this to be so.

But you never asked, instead you dismissed it as a fluff post, once again.

I made a couple of mistakes with my categorization, because I didn't proofread. I apologize.

Ok... except your whole "ISO of me" is just a big mistake in categorization

Scum generally have to fabricate reasons for votes they want taken seriously.

Scum generally have to poke holes in other people's arguments, oh wait but that's what I'm doing! MAYBE I AM SCUM WITH A TOWN ROLE PM! Bzzzt! If you think i'm fabricating a reason, you'd think i'd do better than that, so why dont you like that vote?

No, you didn't really give any.

Ok Let's see:

Can't say I'm not interested in the wagon

, so might as well...

Proved wrong, next!

Because all you did was link his scumgames without saying what he did that made you decide he wasn't scum. Lots of unoriginal content with no input from you = the very definition of IIoA

But someone did ask for his scumgames? or did you forget to read again.

It's not the posting of the song, it's your attitude towards "making people search for the original". I want to clarify that this point has nothing to do with the game.

The original was the one that was posted, so 1) how am i making people search for the original and 2) Why would people go and search for a certain song just because I commented on it and 3) Why is it bad that people have a life outside of a mafia thread where perhaps they are interested in listening to a certain song? and 4) Why am i scum for that?

>no comment
>proceeds to comment
Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

No Comment.

Are you saying that we aren't posting content?

303 wasn't content.

This game came out of confirmation while I was asleep. Are you really going continue to argue this point with me?

But that's not the point i'm arguing? the point i'm arguing is that you came into this game doing nothing while complaining about others doing nothing, being late or soon to the game has no excuse for this.

If you are town, your reads are bad. If you are scum, your reads are (intentionally) bad.

And you focus on this instead of on the fact that my reads were a copy/paste of notty's? Why aren't you calling him out on it then? Why aren't you even noticing what's going on in the game (Tho notty's a townread of me and I agree with his reads, but the fact that you dont look like you're actually paying attention to what your main scumread is going bothers me)

"lol bins" doesn't count as content, I don't care how you frame it.

Whoever said that?

And yet you still failed to accurately reply to my points in places. You also failed to notice that I did mention I miscategorized because I didn't proof check my own writing. But keep clinging to your intentional misunderstanding if it makes you feel better.

Except if you were really scumhunting instead of falsely accusing someone of being scum you would've actually read the thread instead of quoting a bunch of posts and call them "fluff" to fit your reasoning, normally town comes with the reasoning from reading the thread, scum makes a reasoning and makes their posts fit such reasoning.

And you still continue to ignore or misconstrue my counterpoints. It's clear you didn't completely read any of my replies.

While it's clear you haven't read the thread.

You didn't highlight anything. I had to search the thread to even figure out what you were even talking about. As I said before, only scum have things to hide from town, and you certainly act like you have something to hide.

I've already explained this before replying to everything. But i'm not talking about "multi quote" im talking about "quote" why did you assume it was the former instead of trying what i told you? And why is that it is my style of quoting things on MS for like forever makes me scum?

[Sakura Hana]

Also I've used multiquote before, and they don't result like that, but i'm not using multiquote here so idk what you're going on about anyway.

[Sakura Hana]

People arguing about who is fluffier is like a reverse dick measuring contest with invisible nonfunctioning dicks.

Let's start some content.

SH is town.
notscience is town.
Team 9 is scum.
Bins is scum.

Then why is your vote still on bulge?

[Sakura Hana]

Even Sakura can change her read when ppl try enough.

Finally someone that doesn't say "Person that has random 180 flips on reads" when talking about me...

[Sakura Hana]

2) Are you scumreading him out of pride damage or actually a good reason to scumreading that is not #1?

I am scumreading him because he's full of BS about the game being full of fluff, trying to push a BS case on me, making his ISO read on me fit his perspective of me having fluff posts instead of actually reading (and hence why he's made so many "mistakes" on his "categorizing"), and yet still analyzing the "fluff posts" that supposedly couldn't be analyzed or commented on.
I am also scumreading Bins for doing nothing all game and continuing to do nothing.

[Sakura Hana]

2) any town looking from the outside by SHOULD HAVE SAID THIS IS A BAD WAGON
like holy hell how long do i have to wait for my knight to come

Are you scumreading anyone in your wagon?

[Sakura Hana]

Wait a minute.
Is anyone townreading Bins in this game?

You know, you should try things like that when everyone including Bert and Bulge have come and interacted.

[Sakura Hana]

2) any town looking from the outside by SHOULD HAVE SAID THIS IS A BAD WAGON
like holy hell how long do i have to wait for my knight to come

Are you scumreading anyone in your wagon?

The only reads that made me shake were Varsoon and Flubber. Varsoon's reasoning seemed really off to me and Flubber, well, yknow. But I think Flubber's return was pretty good in response. Still null on Varsoon.

Not really sure how to read Team 9.
Or you.

I think NS is town.

So basically you're only townireading notty, yet you decide that Titus' position should've been townie when you haven't even tried to check who's the scum that's infiltrating your wagon if you're town?

[Sakura Hana]

Do you think I haven't been analyzing my own wagon? Because I'm mentioned multiple times which votes I thought were bad.

Well considering you think Titus should be seeing something wrong with the wagon, my guess is that you should've too, but you haven't mentioned anything about it until now. Most of the stuff i recall you mentioning is "(You guys are wrong)" or something like that

[Sakura Hana]

However if you think i'm scum I do welcome you to try and get me lynched, i enjoy ripping scum cases into pieces as you have seen, and you already have a supporter on that cause.

[Sakura Hana]

Still blatantly ignoring my replies to you? What am I, Setsuen?

The reply you mentioned was about the issue with my reach out and pieguy, which showed you didn't read the thread, and shows that you aren't reading.

Why do I need to have asked for you to explain your reasoning?

If you were interested in hearing it you would've asked.

It may have been at that. I was really mad IRL when I made this list.

So now the core of the problem is that you were mad IRL and decided to take it out on me... ok.

I've told you already that you aren't backing it up with reasons. At least, reasons that aren't "lol bins is scummy".

I've already explained multiple times why Bins is scummy (Hint: I mentioned it again in this same page)

Whatever this is on its own does not qualify as a reason. Maybe you should provide context?

"Can't say i'm not interested in the wagon" clearly means that i'm interested in seeing how the wagon goes.

If you can prove this, I'll let this point go.

Certainly:

im fucking reading notsicence scum games

Let me help you:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=32374
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=44023

There!

Please continue to ignore that I said this isn't an in-game issue. With that being said, your attitude in not sharing the information you have at your disposal when asked is scummy, and not in a "you got a scum role pm" way, in a "you're a (expletive)" way

The fuck are you even talking about? It's funny that a post i agreed to being fluff you keep using it as a way to attack me, nice try scum.

Neither is 246

And I never disagreed with that, your point in linking a completely unrelated quote to the whole argument which i didn't argue to it not being fluff in the first place is?

This has absolutely no relevance to your previous argument on the subject, so I'm going to assume you're BSing this at this point.

So, when are you going to read what im writing instead of reading what you're thinking?

notscience knows what I think of his reads.

Good to know, but that wasn't the point i was making.

You implied this in 186

My vote on Bins was well justified, and it's not a good idea to come out with all the ammo first, no idea what you think the "trap" implication means, but it's certainly not fluff i can assure you that.

Are you still harping on about this after I've already explained? Simply don't respond to me again if you're serious about this so we can all get back to scumhunting instead of you deliberately pissing me off / generating walls so scum have an excuse to lurk it out.(and this is assuming you aren't scum yourself, which I'm not convinced of AT ALL.

I could call that an agreement, but you're still wrong about me or scum, so I can't help but continue.

Stop harping on this point, I think I've read the thread more than everyone except for possibly the moderator at this point.

The way you keep misrepresenting my posts leads me to believe that you haven't.

"I've already explained this"
If you want to deliberately ignore things I have said, that is your perogative. But every time you do you lose more and more credibility.

Well since you missed it, i'll quote it again for you Mr Lazy scumbag:

Before i reply to that, have you ever tried highlight a portion of text with your mouse and clicking the quote button on that window? That's what i do to reply to stuff, it's easier than quoting the whole thing and cutting irrelevant parts of questions not directed at me, etc. When you post stuff with your replies inside of it, it makes it harder for me to reply without highlighting, because this ignores formatting.

I've already explained this before replying to everything. But i'm not talking about "multi quote" im talking about "quote" why did you assume it was the former instead of trying what i told you? And why is that it is my style of quoting things on MS for like forever makes me scum?

Do you really want me to show you with pictures how i quote stuff?

[Sakura Hana]

@sakura: I am voting for my scumread.

When did i ever ask you?

[Sakura Hana]

Okay. Skimmed that.

Your vote on me was not well justified at all.

So I shouldn't vote people that are doing nothing in the game and continue to do nothing?

[Sakura Hana]

Okay. Skimmed that.

Your vote on me was not well justified at all.

So I shouldn't vote people that are doing nothing in the game and continue to do nothing?

When you first voted me I hadn't even read the game.

When i first voted you, you were doing nothing, after placing my vote on you, you continued to do nothing, ergo you never did anything to make me want to move my vote away from you.

[Sakura Hana]

She's asking for me to death tunnel.

Come at me, because i don't fear you.

[Sakura Hana]

@543 You've made it abundantly clear that you aren't really reading my replies when they stray outside of your agenda, so you can forget me replying to your walls until you stop.

Read: "I can't counter her points anymore because she's right"

[Sakura Hana]

@543 You've made it abundantly clear that you aren't really reading my replies when they stray outside of your agenda, so you can forget me replying to your walls until you stop.

Read: "I can't counter her points anymore because she's right"

You want me to help you distract others from scumhunting, so you bait me with this.

No.

Not really, considering everyone but you is looking everywhere else...

[Sakura Hana]

I think Titus might as well be Bins scumbuddy instead of flaffy, mostly because of her "You're scum" but not wanting to participate in the wagon because she didn't want to be busing.

[Sakura Hana]

I still have no idea what I did to start this wagon on me.

I explained it before, you did nothing, never did anything, that's why the wagon started.

[Sakura Hana]

@Sakura:
Bins wasn't asking for links to scumgames in 267. she stated that she was "reading notscience scum games". No mention of needing help to find them.
I'll take that as a freudian slip.

Well I helped her find them because she wanted them.

I shouldn't have to ask you to explain your reasoning for you to post your reasoning. Withholding information is primarily scum-motivated.

Really? I could've sworn im town and doing it this game... WHAT A SHOCK!

Thanks for misconstruing once more. I was angry when I made that list so things didn't get sorted into that list correctly. No more, no less. Then again, you need me to look scummy, don't you?

I did tell you, you're either wrong or scum, which one is it? because it's clear the only player here who's believing you is Bins who's also being pegged as scum by me, so excuse me if i have a hard time believing you're not buddies.

I still have yet to see your reasoning on Bins. Link to a post if you aren't lying.

i havent really done anything yet

And that's why you're being wagoned!!

(except youre wrong)

This statement makes me rethink everything you've done in this game!!!!

At this point, you're making it impossible to focus on anyone else. Which is why nothing else is getting done.

It is not my problem if you're not looking at anyone else, unlike you, i am, and my ISO shows that, if you can't maybe you need to look again at the "how to be town when i'm scum" manual.

[Sakura Hana]

Finally you explain this. It only took 300 posts or so.

Uh i just quoted it.

Are you even paying attention to the game, Titus?

She's paying more attention than you!

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura, what do you think of Team 9? Barking up the wrong tree?

Dunno, I think you're scum with Bins and tn if that helps!

In all seriousness tho, this is def. town pie, and i'm reading pie because i can't read GIF.

[Sakura Hana]

ITT: People think that people have to explain their votes in the post they make them.

[Sakura Hana]

Why is this town Pie? I keep seeing Gundam Seed which makes me think scum Pie.

It reminds me pretty much of the games on osu!mafia, also pie looks much more passive than when he's scum, unless he stopped tunneling as scum nowadays, also he was easily found scum on Gundam Seed, this isn't happening here.

P-Edit xN: So many posts o.o

[Sakura Hana]

ITT: People think that people have to explain their votes in the post they make them.

Can you stop?

PEDIT- STOP POSTING HSADXN KCzm,

Can I stop what?
Scum tends to make up reasons and overexplain themselves when they are voted and dont know why, tripping on their own guilt, it gets way better reactions than if you tell them why you're voting them because then they know what they have to defend against.

Why is this town Pie? I keep seeing Gundam Seed which makes me think scum Pie.

It reminds me pretty much of the games on osu!mafia, also pie looks much more passive than when he's scum, unless he stopped tunneling as scum nowadays, also he was easily found scum on Gundam Seed, this isn't happening here.

P-Edit xN: So many posts o.o

Really, I've caught Team 9. :S So the whole "easily caught" thing is not true. I also don't see him being aggressive. His push on me is lamesauce. I've seen harder pushes by well anyone.

It really doesn't help that you hurt your credibility by calling Bins scum and I forgot who else, yet you decide to keep your vote parked on Bulge.

[Sakura Hana]

In what way does that even remotely resemble a trust tell

QFT.

Also the day notty needs to rely on trust tell is the day hell freezes over.

[Sakura Hana]

Here, talk to me. Pick a player who you think I should see as scum. Tell me why. You have to have opinions to actually persuade people you are town.

Is this the way you talk to your scumreads?

[Sakura Hana]

Other than that, I see a reason to think everyone else actively posting right now is town.

So did your read on me change? if so why?

[Sakura Hana]

ITT: Titus and Bins are voting each other yet are trying to work together... is this real life?.... Well if anything Bins did see it odd, but the fact that Titus started this "Talk to me" thingamajig is bothersome.

[Sakura Hana]

Ok pie let's do this

Unvote
Vote: Titus

Bins eyebrow raise is justified and titus is doing actions that dont make sense for a townie to be doing.

[Sakura Hana]

RIGHT

now I don't like the people as much on my wagon

UNVOTE:

lemme think

lolwoot

P.S. This was done using multiquote @tn

[Sakura Hana]

Other than "talk to me", I'm not sure what you mean.

Titus is talking to Bins (her top scumread) in the same way she'd be talking to one of her townreads which doesn't make sense. Bins raised an eyebrow to this, which was justified, hence she gained some townpoints from it.

[Sakura Hana]

Ok pie let's do this

Unvote
Vote: Titus

Bins eyebrow raise is justified and titus is doing actions that dont make sense for a townie to be doing.

Since when do I make sense to you SH? The last time I recall making sense to you was Micro Me.

Excusing your scummyness with your Moonlogicness makes it even more eyebrow rising... I read you as town for that in see nine minus minus, where you were scum, or did you forget?

[Sakura Hana]

ITT: Titus and Bins are voting each other yet are trying to work together... is this real life?.... Well if anything Bins did see it odd, but the fact that Titus started this "Talk to me" thingamajig is bothersome.

It's called read verification. I did it elsewhere. Usually people refuse, triggering tunnel Titus.

It's also called treating your scumread like a townread, which doesn't make sense, triggering tunnel Sakura.

[Sakura Hana]

It's not even my full body

my heads is insanely hot and the rest of me is freezing

ffs

You caught the flu, you should rest.

[Sakura Hana]

It is called Age of Apocolypse. People asked me to through questions to see if a person was scum or town. I am applying it here.

Excuse me, but that's not the way I see a person interacting with their top scumread.

[Sakura Hana]

So no signing = Natirasha?

[Sakura Hana]

k because aside from pieguy, i can't tell Nati from GIF now... GREAT

[Sakura Hana]

The game had started a while ago.

[Sakura Hana]

I was still seeing RVS until my shakeup. I was and still am annoyed at the fluff.

Not dis shitto agen...

[Sakura Hana]

I was still seeing RVS until my shakeup. I was and still am annoyed at the fluff.

Not dis shitto agen...

What shit? What do you think of tn?

You see, the whole argument with tn can be summed up to him saying the whole game was fluff while there was content to be analyzed then not showing any analysis or intent of moving on from said thing, He showed a lot of posts of mine calling them fluff which i rebutted, then he rebutted again, then i rebutted his rebutal, and so on...

[Sakura Hana]

Tn why the fuck are you voting SH?

Read the thread

I am not reading inline quotes where I cannot tell who is talking.

And yet he believes that i should reply in the exact same way instead of taking his statements out of the quote and replying myself...

[Sakura Hana]

SH, do you think tn is obscuring himself by hiding his reads in walls that are hard to comprehend?

I don't find them as hard to comprehend, bust mostly because i know what i wrote, but i certainly think it's a hard way for others to read, If you wanna read decent quotes from there just go read my walls on my ISO where i'm replying to what he's saying in a more understandable way.

[Sakura Hana]

and NOW ppl want to wagon him, instead of when he was arguing with me wrt the flufflyness of my posts u.u Oh well not dissapointed in that

Unvote
Vote: tn

[Sakura Hana]

You deliberately skewed the context.

This is how i always quote, like it or not, that's the way im using and have been using forever in MS.

[Sakura Hana]

See my opinion of tn is that he's trying too hard to look town, then engaged into a death tunnel with me, realized he can't win because people know me very well, but can't back off it anyway.

[Sakura Hana]

Also i'm not a fan of tn's "Quotes or it didnt happen" logic. If we know it happened why would we lie about it? He can just go and read the thread instead of making assumptions that are goign to be rejected because of stuff that was said ages ago that he didn't read.

[Sakura Hana]

top

no fluff pls

And posts like this ^
Is why i think he's too tryhard town, posts like those were players want to steal pagetop from the mod happen everywhere yet he decides to poke at it.

[Sakura Hana]

Curious, why haven't you called me out for a blatant chainsaw?

Shhh, you're ruin his "Scum running a mislynch" kind of attitude and start being townie by ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE GAME STATE!

[Sakura Hana]

I'm kinda scared that tn is slowly turning into Wake before his amendment.

Does this remotely resemble the town tn from that game where you policy lynched him?

[Sakura Hana]

Actually titus may be right and Team 9's scum =/
I have no fucking idea how GiF's townreading tn after all his attempts at scumpainting me.

[Sakura Hana]

The point is, Sakura has no right to tell me that I'm not active or that I'm not reading the game. If she can't accept that, too bad.

The game wasn't that fast paced when you came in, there were content posts when you came in, I was interacting with people while arguing with you weren't, you came here complained about fluff and did nothing but make a contentless wall, I argued along with pieguy that there was content, you continued to refute it and asked us to link you the content, You think you can come in here waltz on and show that evidently you haven't read the game? Well you're in for a fucking surprise, because you're now dealing with me.

So you keep asking for the links when we tell you to read the game, the obvious answers are there, yet you call us scum for refusing to quote things that YOU SHOULD HAVE ALREADY READ (Scumpaint #1), Secondly, you go and look at my ISO call half my posts fluff without even reading them, nor taking context into account (Scumpaint #2), Thirdly, you proceed to read Team 9's ISO and then agree with some of my points that were in posts were in posts you labelled as fluff, which is your first slip, i continue to show you why there's content in the posts you called fluff, then you rebute it because you just... didn't like the posts, and then proceed to say that im cutting context from the quotes when for starters you're the one that started by putting inline text into the quotes (Scumpaint #3), You then decide to keep refuting my arguments without reading context, and asking for quotes for proof, when once again if you simply go and... idk... CLICK on the FRICKEN LINK of the post you quoted you can see the context, and call me out for not quoting it for you (Scumpaint #4), And then decide to shut down and only look at me, while everyone else is scumhunting everywhere and ignoring our walls anyway and you say that it's MY FAULT that people aren't scumhunting (Scumpaint #5), And then continue to throw indirect attacks while shutting down (Scumpaint #6), and YOU expect me to call YOU town after that?.

[Sakura Hana]

Now look as tn scumpaints me for posting a tomomo picture.

[Sakura Hana]

There were 12 pages of posts when I came in, tell me how that isn't fast paced. Most games don't see 30+ pages in one real world day.

HOLY SHIT A GAME GENERATED 12 PAGES OF POSTS OVER 12 OR SO HOURS ITS SO FAST PACED OMG!.
Game start: Tue Aug 26, 2014 1:34 am
You cam in: Tue Aug 26, 2014 2:50 pm

Sounds reasonable to me for the game to have 12 pages by then.

[Sakura Hana]

Feel free to ignore that I posted a readlist earlier if you want.

Feel free to ignore the posts that were happening while we were arguing too, including the questions i was asking to other players and the questions other players were asking to other players, you didn't interact with anyone at all except me at the time, yet you BLAME ME, for making scumhunting hard.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm legit pissed that tn's being obvscum and no one even cares about lynching him, my townread on pieguy's suffering because of that hard defense of him

[Sakura Hana]

My townread on your slot came because of pieguy.
Your hard defense of tn is making that townread suffer

[Sakura Hana]

Help me figure out my other reads. I have 4. There are only 3 scum.

Dunno really, i'm still hesitant to townread you after what happened with Bins, but I like that you're seeing how obvscum tn is in spite of GIF's hard defense.

[Sakura Hana]

That's probably the confbias talking.

Implying i have confbias means that you think or know i'm town, so what made such change?

[Sakura Hana]

I don't give a shit if you townread me. I care about catching scum. I can be wrong from time to time. That is why I don't tunnel rapidlym

What are your scumreads again? tn, team 9 and who else?

[Sakura Hana]

Didn't I tell you that he wasn't actually scumreading you?

His vote certainly says otherwise.

[Sakura Hana]

I don't give a shit if you townread me. I care about catching scum. I can be wrong from time to time. That is why I don't tunnel rapidlym

What are your scumreads again? tn, team 9 and who else?

Bins and Flubber.

Might be wrong about Flubber unless you think he's busing.

[Sakura Hana]

Is it possible to WotC someone after the game started?

[Sakura Hana]

This game depresses me.

Lot of town are gonna fight against each other until everyone is exhausted and apathetic.
Scum's gonna steamrolling this game from D3.
We'll die n1 so we won't be able to save this game.

It's just that this sucks that despite I can see everything coming, I can't do shit about it.

Currently i just want tn dead regardless of alignment, i'm way too pissed at his scumpainting to even care.

[Sakura Hana]

Or maybe tn's just seeking revenge for me reporting him for linking an ongoing game once upon a long time ago...

[Sakura Hana]

Ok, good, since it's not revenge i can add you to my blacklist with no regrets if you're town this game.

[Sakura Hana]

Because you've managed to make me pissed and give me a headache all in one day.

[Sakura Hana]

Ok, good, since it's not revenge i can add you to my blacklist with no regrets if you're town this game.

So you're literally going to blacklist me because of the way I play?

Yes you're like a mix of Wisdom, with Waynegg and a spice of Wake.

3 players i hate playing with.

[Sakura Hana]

Any reason they all start with W?

No special reason, but i found it funny that they did.

[Sakura Hana]

You do realize i used to be an admin there and this isn't the place to complain about it?

[Sakura Hana]

I am taking a small break (a.k.a going to sleep) to clear my head and hopefully not get distracted by tn's scumpainting when i wake up.

[Sakura Hana]

Unvote
Vote: Bins

Varsoon's prob. right about my fight with tn, but i'm still nervous wrt his alignment
Also idc about your town bloc voting shenanigans, I make my own townblocs based on my own reads tyvm.

[Sakura Hana]

That hop to the TN wagon looks hella suspect to me.

He started the wagon, that's hardly considered a "Wagon Hop"

[Sakura Hana]

But hey, i was correct in scanning you last game, you just had to be a FRICKEN GODFATHER. Your Bins push could be trying to lead us astray you know, considering she still has quite a lot of votes, but since im scumreading Bins I might as well go along with it. So does your theory include notty busing Bins for half the game?

[Sakura Hana]

tn is scum scumpainting me but ppl somehow are trying to convince me that he's somehow town... so i decided to leave him alone because apparently im never getting him lynched without a cop guilty.

[Sakura Hana]

I never called him scum for being a hypocrite, I called him scum because of the way he put my posts and called them fluff seems like he just threw a bunch of posts and called them fluff just to fit what he was saying earlier about more than half my ISO being fluff, which is what i cotinued to arguie with him and then he started making up reasons to scumread me.

[Sakura Hana]

Your pride was damaged as he called all your posts fluff

Because they aren't fluff, there was content and he's using the fact that he called them fluff for not commenting on anything, you know, that's how this whole thing started.

[Sakura Hana]

aaaaand you completely avoided my point.

[Sakura Hana]

Meanwhile i'm starting to agree with Varson wrt notty and Bins distancing.

[Sakura Hana]

Because calling me scum makes my fluff seem insignificant

Because then the wave of holy fuck are you stupid I'm town as fuck posts start pouring in

If calling you scum makes stuff like this happen then i'm happy to call you scum every game then

[Sakura Hana]

Do tell though, why I'm scum

Because I'm interested.

Jumping back to fluff while people are discussing the game for starters.

[Sakura Hana]

So why do you say this:

Bins you should come duo with me

Instead of trying to support me on my argument against tn considering you're also scumreading him?

[Sakura Hana]

Or is that your idea of town cohesion with people you townread who scumread the same person as you and are arguing why said person is scum with someone that's townreading them?

[Sakura Hana]

...
ok fine so let's play the game this way.

Unvote
Vote: Titus

I'm permanently for the rest of this game proxying my vote to GiF/pie and i'm just gonna prod dodge for the rest of the game.

P-Edit: Yeah and when i start discussing tn again he just squirms away into fluff, and then wonders why i'm scumreading him...

[Sakura Hana]

Oh

Unvote:
Vote: startfromtheheart

[Sakura Hana]

Unvote
Vote: tn

[Sakura Hana]

I have my reasons.

[Sakura Hana]

I probably should just call you Mr. X

[Sakura Hana]

like he hasn't even done anything yet

Why does someone have to do something to be scum? by this logic someone can get a scum role PM, do nothing and coast to end game. Did you forget that doing nothing was the reason the wagon on you started?

[Sakura Hana]

SH, how do you feel about X's wall? I agree with somethings (Flubber you and ns) but disagree with others. Do you think he's the kind to sponteanously readwall?

That read was pretty quick too? Preplanned conclusions or is it paranoia?

Haven't analyzed it yet (besides that's barely a wall), just came back from karate training and was just skimming some of the posts, but i like that he at least shares some thoughts in the game unlike half the playerlist.

[Sakura Hana]

i just don't understand how someone can get called part of a scumteam and not even be caught up yet

if it's PoE then explain that
other than that i read it as null

For me it's not PoE as i'm scumreading some of the active players (like you), I just don't understand why you think that people shouldn't be scumread because they haven't done anything, because you know, that's exactly what scum does to begin with, if anything i'm more suspicious of people not doing anything not commenting not doing crap at all. People defending him are more likely to be his scummates, and i got a scumread on you independently of that, for doing the exact same thing (a.k.a nothing), you called the wagon BS, but continued to do nothing, and now that bulge is being pegged for doing nothing you're defending him, so how do you expect someone to react to that situation?

P-Edit: Somehow I agree with Titus.

[Sakura Hana]

P-Edit: Somehow I agree with Titus.

Somehow, referring to the fact that if both tn and me are town and she's scum she could've just taken a side and let us continue to fan the flames, however if they are scummates OR tn is scum the current situation could also happen (the former makes ppl think her partner is town, and the later because she's town who legitly thinks tn is town)

[Sakura Hana]

Considering she was trying to stop me and tn for continuing to implode, i doubt it. What makes you think that wasn't her intention and decided to just sit back and watch?
P-Edit:

im just wondering why him > everyone else + the fact that he doesnt have content out yet BECAUSE he's not caught up yet

And you probably wouldn't have made such a big deal about it if i had said something about Gaiden, am i wrong?

[Sakura Hana]

i just dont know what bulge has done to make he be SINGLED out

It's not about what he did, but more about what he didn't do.

[Sakura Hana]

But that's not the point, i'm not even scumreading Bulge (yet), but i find it interesting that you only jump to his defense when someone mentions him, yet anyone else you're fine with.

[Sakura Hana]

It's almost like 1 page an hour!

[Sakura Hana]

Gotta go Fast!

How many pages did See Nine Plus Plus have on day 1 anyway? i forgot.

[Sakura Hana]

Hey didn't Varsoon die D1 there?

Haha.

Yeah i lolhammered his scum ass there.

[Sakura Hana]

Hey didn't Varsoon die D1 there?

Haha.

Yeah i lolhammered his scum ass there.

That's a riot!!

And he's playing here just like he did there minus the gif spam and he expects me to not have doubts of his alignment, aint that funny

[Sakura Hana]

you should vote tn instead.

[Sakura Hana]

Davesaz, who do you think is scum? Youve mentioned townreads but that's all, and your vote on Gaiden is from the start.

Quit stalling. Who do you think is scum out of TN myself and letters?

Who the fuck is letters

[Sakura Hana]

I'm still seeing Titus-scum as a thing but the only company I have is a joke vote.

And is this why you're not re-evaluating your read?

[Sakura Hana]

I am always a low hanging fruit though...

You're never low hanging fruit to me because i can read you like a book.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura, is Gaiden town?

Yes

[Sakura Hana]

I'm having trouble articulating, or really digging in against Bins.

Help me push tn and i can promise you confetti with a big flashy message saying.

CONGRATULATIONS! YOU'VE JUST LYNCHED SCUM!

And then we can start taking Bins apart.

Or we can push Bins today and lynch tn tomorrow, but that has less chances of happening.

Besides i'm not sure if you're town or scum yet, why don't you just tell me if you're town or scum, i'm pretty sure people won't notice if you tell me that you're scum.

[Sakura Hana]

Why'd that support shift off?

For the same reasons i'm having trouble getting support for a tn lynch.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura, can you link me to your most recent scum games?

Nyctapolis is my most recent one, i haven't rolled scum since my come back tho. My Wiki's kinda out dated because it still lists it as ongoing, but other than that my scum games are ordered cronologically.

[Sakura Hana]

What are those reasons?

Which has most likely to get traction a wagon on town or a wagon on scum, Which one's more likely to get resistance.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura if you're going where I think you're going that's not how it works.

Don't worry if anyone thinks im going somewhere it's probably not where i'm actually going, I do lots of gambits after all.

[Sakura Hana]

Why'd that support shift off?

For the same reasons i'm having trouble getting support for a tn lynch.

> having trouble getting support
> leading wagon

There's only like 3 ppl on the tn wagon, and everyone else thinks he's town, why should i think there's support for a tn lynch?

[Sakura Hana]

I'm trying to sort TN now by actually reading his wallposts.

How about you read how this whole shit started in the first place, I even said the one reason I was replying to his walls was to show town how scummy he was. It had the opposite effect tho...

[Sakura Hana]

Bc most of the ppl are on "don't care side" including bulge, bert, gaiden, etc.

I don't remember anyone else townread tn except for tn and maybe titus?

Gaiden said it's tvt or svs.
Other people have said we're the same alignment (for who knows what reason, although i'd never do something like this with a scumbuddy).
And most are taking the stance of it being TvT.
The only people i've seen supporting me are notty and Mr. X.
Bulge is still on who knows.

[Sakura Hana]

I have not townread tn at all. I started his first wagon and I have stated tn is likely scum but I want start dead bc I am more confident in that flip. If deadline was close, I would be moving to tn. It is not so I just implore you to look at start's ISO. No context.

This is not how you interact with your scumreads:

Tn. Gun to your head. Who is the scum team if Sakura is town?

However i guess it is true that you're not townreading him:

How the hell are you town reading tn

Guess I was wrong then.

[Sakura Hana]

My case on tn still steems from the fact that he comes to the game complaining about the fluff (when there's content) and instead of contributing decides to do nothing, then ISOs and make the ISOs fit his earlier statement, which is something scum always does (Make their later posts fit their earlier statements, rather than their statements being based overall on the game from the get go), Specially considering the fact that he came doing nothing and excused it with there being no content on the thread, when he did the ISOs he was caught because he had to put some posts and label them as fluff to fit what he had stated, which is one of the reasons he kept asking people to show him the content instead of doing the legwork himself coz that would catch him.

[Sakura Hana]

And the one thing bothering me is that GiF's going "Sakura's pride was hurt, ergo her case is bollocks" as a reason to townread tn.

[Sakura Hana]

And the one thing bothering me is that GiF's going "Sakura's pride was hurt, ergo her case is bollocks" as a reason to townread tn.

addenum: As a reason to discreit my case too.

[Sakura Hana]

Ok so you have proved that tn is acting like an elitist.
Now why is he scum?

I give up trying to convince you, i already said why his moves are scum motivated, I've seen scum doing the shit he does all the time (Say something > skew a case to make it fit that somethng instead of saying something because it's actually what happened).

[Sakura Hana]

Town with confbias do the same thing too. So "omg skewing is scummy" is false.

So you're suggesting that he was confbiasing the fluff since he came into the game? I find that hard to believe.

[Sakura Hana]

It started with an elitist attitude.

It started with scum not wanting to comment on the game hence using the "Everything's fluff" excuse.

[Sakura Hana]

However, what you say can be done by both town and scum.

Technically everything can be done by both town and scum. NY 169 taught me that.

[Sakura Hana]

The difference between your case and my case is that you looked at the words while I looked at the motivations.

What makes you think i haven't looked at the motivations? His clear motivation is getting a mislynch through so he has to scumpaint everything i say.

[Sakura Hana]

To clarify, you looked at the words then assumed the motivation while I looked at the motivation then assumed the words.

really now, let me close my eyes next time i read his posts then.

[Sakura Hana]

GiF you're going way out of your way to discredit my case on tn, are you scum with him?

P-Edit: No, my case says he's doing A because he's scum. I don't see any town reason for him doing what he's doing, I've tried seeing it from a town PoV on his side and i don't see it, there's like no fucking way he's town

[Sakura Hana]

But I see the town motivation and I've been telling you that the whole time.

But your town motivation relies on him being an elitist instead of scum. I'm just going by occam's razor.

[Sakura Hana]

The osumafia irc incident proved that tn was acting like an elitist.
I say that he's bring an elitist because I had a proof of him doing so.

the irc incident just proves he's immature, I already talked with dkun about what happened back then.

[Sakura Hana]

Besides you were calling him a confbiasing elitist since before the irc incident sooo...

[Sakura Hana]

And anyways why are you taking stuff that happened outside of the game as a way for you to further push your idea?

[Sakura Hana]

Like one of the things i've been thinking is why was it even necessary to post that in here, in this specific game instead of somewhere like GD.