Open 512: See Nine Plus Plus (Game Ovah)
-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
So if he was seriously pushing, why would he stop (unvote in 49) after being voted by Pasch?In post 56, Titus wrote:
I'm leaning towards Saki being serious but the guy trolls a whole lot. I can't tell yet whether it's his playstyle or him seriously pushing.In post 55, Glass wrote:Titus and Pasch:
Do you think that Saki was being serious when he was pushing for a policy lynch?Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
Do you think policy lynches are scummy, then?In post 58, Titus wrote:He's thinking, oh crap, I'm caught, better unvote. Pushing for a policy lynch this early would be problematic if confirmed town caught him. Of course, I am speculating here.
p-edit: I'm pretty sure that L-3 isn't the point if no return, Titus.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: TitusOriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
If the wagon's early, not even L-1 is the point of no return.
Also, I really don't like this.In post 61, Titus wrote: So, do you care to share this history with the rest of the class Varsoon?Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
Post came off as unnecessarily antagonistic from Titus.In post 71, CherryDrPepper wrote: I like oriole, but Im having trouble seeing whats wrong with that Titus post.Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
Am I explaining the question I asked Titus or why I voted him?In post 77, Vote Me wrote:
Could you explain?In post 62, oriole wrote:
Do you think policy lynches are scummy, then?In post 58, Titus wrote:He's thinking, oh crap, I'm caught, better unvote. Pushing for a policy lynch this early would be problematic if confirmed town caught him. Of course, I am speculating here.Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
I think this is up for debate, really.In post 79, Vote Me wrote:I'm asking about the question, because policy lynches are inherently scummy, aren't they? Especially this early?
It wasn't that post, it was this oneIn post 79, Vote Me wrote:
If this is the post in question, how is it antagonistic?In post 58, Titus wrote:He's thinking, oh crap, I'm caught, better unvote. Pushing for a policy lynch this early would be problematic if confirmed town caught him. Of course, I am speculating here.In post 61, Titus wrote:
I am not certain if he's scum. I am concerned if I jump on, more people might and the bandwagon might reach the point of no return. There are already a few people voting Saki. If I was certain Saki was scum, I'd vote him without caring if he might eventually wind up lynched. However, I'm not. If there wasn't already a train on Saki, I'd vote him to see what happened.In post 59, Glass wrote:So why aren't you voting Saki?
So, do you care to share this history with the rest of the class Varsoon?Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
If jmo is scum, then he'd have to be white-knighting (defending?) Titushard, then. I'm more inclined to call them both town right now.
I think Varsoon and Glass are being a bit too blatant to be scumbuddies, but I think it's interesting to note how Titus has shown clear discomfort about possible buddying from jmo, but Glass hasn't said anything about Varsoon townreading and defending him so much.
I'm not really a fan of this post, because he shows some things in it he dislikes or finds scummy, but doesn't vote for them, asking a set-up related question instead.In post 103, TunnelVision wrote:Hey everybody, Bauss here. Ill sign my posts with a 1, since I'm first to the party this round. Rank will be along in a couple days I suspect. Looks like we are past RVS so I'll just start in with the questions...
Saki, wassup with all the posts saying nothing and acting crazy? That your usual game? It's weak. Does it get better?
Who's played with Varsoon before? Seems very conversational, and has a friendly/buddying tone. Wondering if that is normal. Don't like it one bit. "Titus, is that Michael Jackson in your avatar? OMG, love him. Beat it, beat it, beat it, oh find some scum and beat it." Let's keep conversation focused on finding scum please, this isn't match.com.
Titus, I see a bunch of things in your posting/ playstyle that I feel are similar to mine. This will make my reads on you problematic/compromised. I shall defer to Number 2. But to be clear, my gut read is slight town on Titus.
Is there a strategy play in a game setup with an innocent child? Ive never played in one before, so I'm intrigued.
-1-
UNVOTE:
VOTE: TunnelVisionOriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
It could be a slip, or a way of saying the posts that are the worst for the town (scummiest posts).In post 155, Titus wrote:In post 39, Flench wrote:Leaving my vote with Saki because.worst town posts so far
Agree Titus's vote did not seem random.
inb4 anime circles.
Oriole, what do you think of this? The bold and italics are my additions.Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
Is the townread mutual (Do you townread Varsoon)?In post 159, Glass wrote:@jmo
I don't have any objections to it.ori wrote: Glass- What do you think of Varsoon backing you so strongly? I don't think you've said anything about it.Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
Is this the explanation everyone's looking for?In post 76, Flench wrote:
I meant that his posts have so far not been productive for the town, not that he is town and making bad posts.In post 69, CherryDrPepper wrote:Link did not post properly
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p4976509
Flech's "worst town posts so far" when describing Saki bothers me. You think he's town, thn you vote?
Glass has voted twice for people recently voted on, bandwagon style.
Leaving my vote with Saki until he defends himself or becomes productive in some way.Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
OK, let me answer some questions...
I'm not a big fan of the Saki wagon. It seemed like a pretty clear joke to me, and I think people took it a little too seriously. The only strange part of Saki's early posts was 49, or the unvote after the vote from Pasche. This actually leads into my next comment, which is about CherryDrPepper and Saki. Cherry votes for Saki in 195, saying that Saki's not following town meta. In 210, Saki claims that Sakura and Dr.Pepper are following their scum meta from that one game, and Cherry jumps on it here:In post 227, Titus wrote:Oriole, where do you stand? Who are your suspects?
IMO, if CherryDP wants to use meta from Saki's first game (which seems kind of iffy to me, because it's the first game), then Saki should be able to use meta from that same game against CherryDP, as long as he can prove it fits.In post 213, CherryDrPepper wrote:I find it ironic you want us to dismiss your first game meta while saying that this is how we play as scum when you've only seen us in your first game.
You were timid then. You also didnt vote jump a lot.
I can't help but think that there's a scum on Saki's wagon (even if he's scum). My theory is (although I don't have the experience to know if it's correct), that because Pasche (confirmed town) is on it, scum will be on. I'd think the scum would be between Varsoon and CherryDrPepper, and to this end,
UNVOTE:
VOTE: CherryDrPepper
I'd like to see more from Stubbs.
I was voting for TV because the three posts from that hydra had been:In post 228, Paschendale wrote:Everyone who is voting for someone that no one else is voting for, supply some reasons.
1. Discussing a few posts/players they didn't like, but not following up with a vote.
2. Elaborating on a comment about a bias in reads in favor of Titus
3. Placing a vote on Varsoon for his whole meta thing.
I'd like to see a bit more, as most of what I've seen has been centered around Varsoon and Titus, with only passing mentions of a few other players.Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
Really? You voted Saki in 180. Posts 210, 215, 216, 218, 236 all seem to be mainly going after people who aren't you, and Saki's mainly going after Cherry.In post 253, Varsoon wrote:Seriously, Saki's done nothing since I voted Saki other than break VLA to bitch about it and put fire on my back.
Why does this exact same argument not apply to Saki? He's been attracting just as much attention as Varsoon.In post 262, Titus wrote:Totally ignoring convincing us wasn't the point. Yet, your vote should be on who the scummiest is. I find it odd that you are pushing a lynch on someone who appears to be wanting to draw attention to himself. Varsoon has pulled a lot of "OMG obv scum" moves right off the bat. Why? This is either ridiculously poor scum play or town trying to draw attention. I think I know why Varsoon is doing that. If I'm right, it might backfire... hard, because the play is too obvious.
I don't like your focus on convincing us. Your focus should be on finding the truth, which means availing yourself of the possibility that you are indeed wrong. You also demonstrate a sense of paranoia that indicates not agreeing with you = ignoring you. That's hardly the case.
I think you're over-reading this a bit. I don't think prod-dodges are scummy.In post 266, Titus wrote:Then why not include a post that says, haven't read, will post later? A prod dodge here suggests that you're just trying to lurk under the radar undetected. If you're not "in the position to read", then why not say you're on V/LA?
You say that large reads-lists are great ways to parrot everyone and look like they're scumhunting, but that's not what Cherry was doing, right? You said later that Cherry wasn't parroting at all.In post 270, Saki wrote:
I'm playing like a certain someone. Now that I try to lynch that certain someone people start 'throwing shit' back at me. Especially another certain someone on my wagon.In post 267, Saki wrote:I find it odd that you are pushing a lynch on someone who appears to be wanting to draw attention to himself.
Hey guys isn't that what my wagon is all about?
Hypocrisy is a scum-tell, no? That makes for everyone on my wagon to be slightly scummy yet you stood out because you're pushing me so zealously. (You're okay with lynching me but not Varsoon?)
Besides I already made it clear that my play is focused on reaction-fishing.
I thought the readslist argument was over, yet you bring it up again. I don't like those since they mostly do little else than parroting and seem like a good way for scum to look like they are scumhunting. Yes they do bring much to scumhunting but at this point? With all those days 'till deadline and only 10 pages? No. I don't think so. Hence my scumread of it.
Why would scum have no need to form a readslist? It's agreatway to save face and also to pursure mislynches. By the way your readslist seemed more forced than genuine.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: CherryDrPepper
The whole Varsoon lynch thing was a fluke to draw you out. I'm almost certain that you're scum now.
So what is your current read on Saki, then? Still scum?In post 291, Varsoon wrote:Thanks for updating your VLA banner, Saki. :3
Solid exchange between Saki and Cherry, too. Shifts them both a little more town for me.
But, yeah, what Cherry said. Please give like a sentence to explain your reads, it'll help gauge them better and give us some trajectory when they shift about.Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
OK, so here are Pasche's and Cherry's reads lists side by side.
In post 176, Paschendale wrote:Pasch's current reads
Vote Me: Only a few posts. But they're decent. Why the unvote on Cherry? It doesn't seem like anything triggered that change. Getting better as the game continues.
Jmo: Lots of comments. Minimal conclusions. Unjustified votes. This kind of style is disjointed and hard to follow. Started out wanting to vote him, but giving him a little benefit of the doubt.
Glass: Basically just laying down steaming piles of bullshit. Like the "I already explained why I voted for Titus" bit. The only post where he addresses his vote on Titus at all is only saying that others are misinterpreting him. No actual reason. And then Jmo for... not jumping to answer him. More votes for Glass!
Stubbs: Two posts, but not afraid to vote. I want more, but I like what I've seen so far.
Cherry (Hydra): Unsure. Just enough to look like contribution, but not super useful. Merits a sharp eye.
TunnelV (Hydra: Definitely not enough. Holding back and wtf is with the awful Varsoon vote?
Titus: Meta read on Titus is that his style is a little weird. But he's got an honest vibe. I don't like his vote on Flench, though. I don't see a slip, and even so, slips are pretty weak reasons for a vote. Town, but wrong.
Saki: Tons of votes, no reasons, actually tries to push a policy lynch on page two... and then turns and runs the other way. String him up!
Dyslexicon: Needs more. First impression okay, but not enough to make a decision yet.
Oriole: Decent. On the fence, but I see scumhunting. Looks okay so far.
Flench: I don't see why anyone is confused about Flench's points. Maybe not the most effective scumhunting, but it's a start.
Varsoon: Lots of questions, not so much with conclusions. If there's anything Varsoon is not shy to do, it's tell you what he thinks. Varsoon goes out on a limb like its his job. so why the hesitation here? It's suspicious.
-Town-
Vote Me
Titus
-Leaning Town-
StubbsKVM
Dyslexicon
Oriole
Flench
-Leaning Scum-
Jmo (Moving up from scum, but not up to leaning town yet)
TunnelVision
Cherry
Varsoon (Not leaning very hard, though)
-Scummy Scum McScummerson-
Glass
Saki
Vote remains on Saki.
Also, being confirmed town is really weird. Not having to prove that I'm not lying is a very different experience.
The reads lists seem rather similar to me though, I don't see the whole "every one of your reads is different" thing.In post 206, CherryDrPepper wrote:Sakura Hana here, imma go revisiting everyone's ISOs and check for tendencies to form my reads, post links will be given where applicable. Ordered from Towniest to Scummiest
Paschendale:, obvious scum, let's lynch him.... just kidding, but he's conf town, need i say more?Town
Titus:, Best gameplay so far, asking questions, pressuring people, finding issues with people's posts, I don't see me voting him ever unless he does something incredibly scummy.Town
jmo:, Also pretty good scumhunting tho in a more aggresive manner, I like his style a lot, Also I don't see me voting this guy ever unless he does something incredibly scummy.Town
oriole:, Questioning players and good scumhunting, i particularly like his 57 and his 62, but I dislike his vote on Tunnelvision on 133, why did that make you think someone just entering the game would need to vote another player, specially a hydra that hasn't talked with his other head too like i refrained myself from doing early on with Saki until Saki's unvote?.Leaning Town
Varsoon:Null, Dunno really what to think of his posts, doesn't seem to spend much time scumhunting rather answering questions, and then gives a reads with zero nulls/neutrals and just puts people as town or scum, don't see how he has that strong of a townread on all those Town reads and the same could be said about his scum reads, tho I agree with the read on Flench.
Dyslexicon:Null, only 3 posts tho with quite some content, Still don't know what he finds suspicious in me being inactive over the weekend which seems like a weak to reasoning to lay suspicion on someone.
Tunnelvision:Null, Someone without much to go on...
Vote Me:Null, Haven't seen much and the few i've seen isn't enough to consolidate a read on him.
Stubbs:Null, This guy exists?!
Glass:, This guy is all over the place, his Titus vote looks pretty bad, very short replies, also i haven't seen some reads from him either...Leaning Scum
Flench:, His scumslip even if he explained it, if anyone could explain a scumslip then that'd be too easy wouldn't it? he's been fencesitting on the Saki's vote all game, and been defending his vote on Saki who's on V/LA to begin with, do you plan on doing anything else other than just staying there pointing fingers at Saki or are you gonna try to find the other scum...Leaning Scum
Saki:, Most of the read is because of my partner mentioning that he isn't playing to his town meta, the other part is all his jumpyness with votes and unvoting when being called out on it. As if "caught"Scum
Now i'm done catching up, thanks for the patience.Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
I was basing the whole rarity thing off of just the odds rolling one of each. Looking a bit further, I think Mason might actually be rarest (because it requires two Ms). Still think it's an actual claim, though.
@Saki, Can you prove anyone was lurking through the L-1? It was pretty short.Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
Don't you think you're exaggerating a bit here?In post 397, Titus wrote:I've been pretty clear that I've always thought Varsoon as town. So yeah, I trust my town read over my scum read.Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
I was actually poking at the "always" part of it, because you made your suspicions of Varsoon rather clear early in the game.In post 406, Titus wrote:Read the above. Also look at the discussion with Saki regarding the differences in their behavior. I refused to say that Varsoon was scum, because I perceived a plan in his actions. If it wasn't clear that I was implying I saw Varsoon as town, I need to work on my implying skills.
@Varsoon, I would lynch you if Saki came back town. I find the odds astronomical that there are two roleblockers.
To be honest, I thought that the post you linked to was rather blatant.
Anyways, I'm off for the night.Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
How would this even work?In post 435, Titus wrote:I believe you are town, but I'm not 100 percent certain. It's rather ingenious if there are no roleblockers. I'll speculate about every plausible possibility until I have eliminated it.Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
I'm sneaking in a quick post here, but I'm busy for another hour or so...
My impression so far is that Saki's claim is real, Varsoon is fake-claiming town because ~reasons~, and while Titus is saying some things I disagree with that doesn't make him scum.
UNVOTE:
My vote on Cherry's a bit outdated.Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
Why isn't Varsoon pushing Saki harder then? Also, we haven't been close to lynching Saki since he claimed.In post 521, Titus wrote:In post 519, oriole wrote:I'm sneaking in a quick post here, but I'm busy for another hour or so...
My impression so far is that Saki's claim is real, Varsoon is fake-claiming town because ~reasons~, and while Titus is saying some things I disagree with that doesn't make him scum.
UNVOTE:
My vote on Cherry's a bit outdated.
Oriole, that doesn't make much sense. Why wouldn't Varsoon just withdraw his claim so we wouldn't inadvertently lynch Saki?
(back to work I go...)Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
False. BBB= 2 full town roleblockers.In post 538, Titus wrote:Varsoon could have a whacked out risk reward analysis but I don't think so.
Also, yeah Varsoon pretty much said he was paranoid that both you and Saki were town in 496. So I don't see you don't "get that vibe" from him.
A one shot roleblocker does not verify both of your claims as true. However, a one shot roleblocker is the only way both of you are town roleblockers.
@Stubbs, extremely outdated.Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
Sure it's possible, but it'd look kind of strange a bit later when one of them mysteriously refused to die, I guess.In post 565, TunnelVision wrote:
What if they are both scum? Lynching either one lands the other one a spot as "confirmed town roleblocker." Ballsy, but possible. The personality of both seems either silly enough or subtly slick enough to give it a shot.In post 525, oriole wrote: Why isn't Varsoon pushing Saki harder then? Also, we haven't been close to lynching Saki since he claimed.Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
Off to go attempt to read way too far into a non sequitor~In post 573, Varsoon wrote:Mod: How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Pop?Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
Yeah, I still don't buy this argument.In post 584, Titus wrote:@CherryDrPepper I understand that fear. A tracker would be useful here but it's impossible. There's a greater chance of both Varsoon and Saki being scum than neither of them.Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
Possible but unlikely?In post 589, Saki wrote:
would you buy scumTitus--scumVarsoonIn post 585, oriole wrote:
Yeah, I still don't buy this argument.In post 584, Titus wrote:@CherryDrPepper I understand that fear. A tracker would be useful here but it's impossible. There's a greater chance of both Varsoon and Saki being scum than neither of them.
I think most of the scum are in our relative lurker pool, really (outside of maybe one in you and Varsoon?)Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
I thought that's what I was saying, maybe I misunderstood you.In post 592, Saki wrote:
Not if I claim town PR and I flip town PR.In post 590, Varsoon wrote: @Saki: Quickhammering someone at L-1 is null.
I don't need to pressure someone to read them. The interactions my vote-swap and your posts got out of Titus was enough for me to put him in the town pool.
Really? It painted him as scummier for me.
@Oriole
Don't you think Titus defends Varsoon too much for both of them to be scum?Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
Eh, I think I'd disagree, especially because it's not so much defending each other as attacking you.In post 595, Saki wrote:town*
There's no way both of them are town with that much defending
sorry typoOriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
The whole supposed Varsoon/Titus buddying bothered me, so I pulled this, Saki.
Spoiler: Varsoon, on Titus
Spoiler: Titus, on Varsoon
Now, I could make a comment after each of the posts hidden behind a spoiler wall, but approximately nobody will read that, so I'll just present what I found.
Varsoon's first stated read says that Titus may be scum, but pretty quickly this shifts to a townread, maintained through 476. In 480, Varsoon votes Titus, but calls Titus town again in an unvote in 513. There's some creeping paranoia that's appeared recently, (604 and 609), and this paranoia was actually sort of foreshadowed in 280.
Titus maintains early that Varsoon should be kept an eye on, mostly over some conflicting posts over meta explained away as a joke of sorts by Varsoon. She then continuously drops heavy hints that she thinks Varsoon is a town power role long before Varsoon claims (see 198, 241, and 262). She heavily defends Varsoon, until recently (noticing a trend?) where she starts to entertain ideas and ask others to elaborate on scum!Varsoon ideas, with posts such as 617 and 654.
Looking through the interactions, some conclusions...
a) I don't think they're scum together, seeing as how they've turned on each other a bit recently.
b) Titus was rather blatant on hinting that she thought Varsoon was a PR, but then again Varsoon was pretty blatant at hinting he was a PR.
c) I would pick Titus over Varsoon for scum atm. I think her posts come closer to buddying then Varsoon's, and I'm not a fan of the all of a sudden "of course, I could be wrong let's keep an eye on Varsoon" turn by Titus.Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
Would this work?In post 671, Varsoon wrote: @Oriole: I'm hesitant to support a Titus/Saki lynch right now, since I'm growing more and more convinced that this is a townvtown conflict. Now, to confirm we're both Roleblockers, we could let Saki and I live to the night and then we could target each other. Of course, this doesn't account for jailers/other similar roles.Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
I think we should be lynching outside of Varsoon and Saki today. Scum will have to kill them so they don't block a kill and get a guilty that way. If they try and play WIFOM with letting one of them hang around a couple nights so we'll lynch them, all the more chances to block a kill.
@Varsoon I'd rather both of you just aimed to block kills, though.Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
Nothing in particular, I guess? I mean, I'd really rather not lynch town PRs, but I see where people (Titus, Dys) are coming from with the 99% thing. The problem I have with it is that if you're both actually roleblockers we've spent 2 days stringing up power roles because math said so.In post 678, Saki wrote:
What do you think of people that don't agree?In post 677, oriole wrote:I think we should be lynching outside of Varsoon and Saki today.Scum will have to kill them so they don't block a kill and get a guilty that way. If they try and play WIFOM with letting one of them hang around a couple nights so we'll lynch them, all the more chances to block a kill.
@Varsoon I'd rather both of you just aimed to block kills, though.Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
In post 77, Vote Me wrote:
This post seems to me like an attempt to get suspicion on an easy mislynch target VOTE: CherryIn post 33, CherryDrPepper wrote:Wait... how didn't i notice this earlier
Why would you have yourself as your top scum-pick? i'd understand you having yourself as your only town read (lol at reading yourself) but why are you calling yourself scum?In post 28, Varsoon wrote:@Flench: Get an avatar. Also, it's still pretty RVS, somy top scum-pick would only be myself? I don't know, man.
Also if you could sign your posts, that would be great.
Town Varsoon is town.In post 123, Vote Me wrote:
Your description of Varsoon is definitely not town Varsoon. Could you detail what you think about his posts lead you to believe what you believe?In post 103, TunnelVision wrote:Who's played with Varsoon before? Seems very conversational, and has a friendly/buddying tone. Wondering if that is normal. Don't like it one bit. "Titus, is that Michael Jackson in your avatar? OMG, love him. Beat it, beat it, beat it, oh find some scum and beat it." Let's keep conversation focused on finding scum please, this isn't match.com.
-1-
UNVOTE:
Can you explain this,provide input on claiming situation, etc?In post 167, Vote Me wrote:I'll be V/LA (just from now until tomorrow), but I will say that I am probably never voting Varsoon ever.
VOTE: Vote MeOriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
Large problem with this. Even if your play is "on a higher level" than TV's (andIn post 791, Varsoon wrote: Onto the second point. I've been actively playing a buddying/VI role hoping that someone would try to build a case on me due to those approaches. Buddying isn't scummy by nature--if anything, town wants some solidarity as well. In fact, a strong town-bloc is hard for scum to beat. Furthermore, scum-buddying backfires quite hard when scum is lynched. Ergo, I don't find buddying to be scummy, but I am aware that others might try to exploit it as so. There's been several times in the game that I've openly applauded town efforts from other players and done things to earn 'town points'. To players who play on the second-level-of-perception, this is scummy, since they see scum as people trying to curry town favor. However, I'm playing on a third-level, which is Town seeming scummy to second-level players in an attempt to find scum who are second-level who would exploit that.damn,is that an arrogant statement), how do you differentiate second-level scum from second-level town, considering you said that all players who play on this second level of perception would find it scummy?Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
@Varsoon: You have Titus and Jmo as your highest scum candidates, if I'm reading 821 correctly. What do you make of their interactions (particularly, jmo defending Titus calling him newbtown earlier, and Titus indicating discomfort at it)?Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
What is your interpretation of the lurkers?In post 834, Titus wrote: I'm looking forward to your wall Saki. That disagrees with my interpretation of the lurkers. I wouldn't even consider TunnelVision a lurker.Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
I'll get to TunnelVision's case in a bit; I'm planning a rather large post that goes through the arguments. It'll be good to go shortly.In post 843, Varsoon wrote: @Oriole: How do you feel about Tunnel's case on me, about Pasche's dismantling of the case, and about my play until this point?
@Everyone: How should we encourage/get the lurkers/inactive players to be more active?
About your play in general: The main thing that bothered me about it was in 182 you described your play as a "crummy Varsoon tactic". However, until recently, I hadn't see you show any results from this tactic. Now, you say you've caught TV with it, so... I'm not a big fan overall, but if it works for you, that's fine.
The lurker question I don't feel has a straightforward answer. I mean, the thread's been better about not vomiting pages to read, and I do think the quality of posts has improved as a result. If they don't feel compelled to post now, votes and pressure are probably the next steps.Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
Enough people aren't pushing the lynch as between Varsoon and Saki? There's an L-3 wagon on Varsoon.In post 861, Titus wrote:The Case for Lynching Varsoon
1. The lynch should be between Varsoon and Saki because there is about a 1% chance of them both being town. If they both were town, I should be getting a lot more encouragement on this point. Given there is NO certainty in mafia, this is as close as we are going to get that one of the two is indeed scum. Furthermore, a scum player would know they'd be lynched if the other one dies.Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
Why did you ask Paschendale this?In post 845, Titus wrote: @Paschendale, would you like me to put up my case on Varsoon with my lurker wall?Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
In post 878, Titus wrote:I asked Paschendale that because I wanted to confirm that I could indeed go after Varsoon 100% without disrupting any plans he had for the town orif the wall would be too long for him to manage. I wasn't going to have my wall of new information up rapidly, so I tried to take the most economical apprach.
Disrupting any plans he had for the town? Can you elaborate on that?Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
Titus- This is pretty much where I am right now.
I'd much rather let the night actions sort it out.In post 842, Paschendale wrote:At the moment, though, I believe both of them. Or rather, I don't disbelieve either enough to vote for [Saki or Varsoon].Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
... Or, you can use a binomial distribution calculator. It's much easier.
That same "99% chance" will be there tomorrow. Might as well have some night actions to help.
I don't want this day to turn into a Varsoon v. Saki 1v1, and it shouldn't.Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
Situations aren't comparable, though. Neither of the roleblockers has claimed to block the other (and you'd have to be pretty stupid to).In post 890, Titus wrote: If a cop had a guilty on someone and the other player cced cop, would we really put off the lynch? Of course nt. But this is as close as we get to day 1 confirmed scum.Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
@Titus - Supposing the following propositions, please rate the plausibility.
1) Saki and Varsoon are both town.
2) Scum!Saki was counter-claimed by Town!Varsoon.
3) Town!Saki was counter-claimed by Scum!Varsoon.
4) Saki and Varsoon are both scum.Oriole and Oreo, they look similar. I'll probably respond to both.-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)
-
-
oriole Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 626
- Joined: May 7, 2013
- Location: Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)