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[Xiao Long]

What's up everybody, it's pretty late around here, so I'll be doing a proper response when I wake up tomorrow.
I'll go ahead and give a scim for now, though.

[Xiao Long]

What's up everybody, it's pretty late around here, so I'll be doing a proper response when I wake up tomorrow.
I'll go ahead and give a scim for now, though.

Well, I thought I was going to make a proper post when I woke up, but I've been reading the thread for like an hour and I'm only on page 15 (holy shit, day 1 in this game is longer than the entirety of my previous game.)
Anyways, just to respond to some things on THIS page (I'll get to others when I'm finished reading):

Hey Xiao. We're in a bit of a pickle here.
Glass and the guy you just replaced have been missing for awhile,
My wagon's at L-3,
I counter-claimed Saki, who claimed Town RoleBlocker
You should probably read the setup or else everyone will treat you like an idiot,
Paschendale is confirmed town.

So where's the pickle? You being at L-3? Doesn't seem like that big of a deal.

Hey. Hey Varsoon.

Calvin and Hobbes Mafia.

He's done that at least twice this game. Its meta though so its useless, but its 100% and he drops it every game.

Cherry, I agree on those two sentences. Its the same language nuance/framework of the lie he told when he role claimed. Bold faced lying is hard. (I made this point in my case against him.)

-1-

If it's 100% and he drops it every game...why is it useless?

[Xiao Long]

Varsoon, you expect the town to be angry with you and you're voting the first guy that seems to be pissed off at you?

Your backing off deserves some analysis rather than autoscum status but you did cost us a whole hell of a lot of time Varsoon and the saying lynch all liars is there FOR A REASON.

Just be careful with the lynch all liars thing. In that Calvin and Hobbes game of Varsoon, Yates, who was VT, fake CC'd the doc.
I'll get to the other thing you asked me in a bit.

Flench, you realize how scummy that sounds, right?
You want to string me up now because if I have time, I might prove my innocence?
Honestly, if you feel so worried about me, lynch me on D2 or D3. As of now, I've provided enough Wifom to make scum waste a NK or PR on me, which is good enough. I can say things like this due to the WIFOM already created. I can bluff right at scum because of what I've done and they have no way of knowing if I'm a PR or not, and so I'm high-risk for scum to keep alive.

Instead, Flench, you should be tracking my logic through the entire game with the knowledge that I am VT. A lot of my actions make a lot more sense once you know that.

I know how it sounds but that's how I feel when I think of people actually believing you, it makes me hopeless.

Varsoon, your logic cannot be tracked, I could make a case your posting throughout the game to be literally any role I can think of. You have no master plan, how does nobody else see this? He is just scrambling to find a way out.

I'm done posting for a while, before I get into any more trouble on my desire for Varsoon's death.

#rollout

edit: btw Varsoon, I'm a bit mad.

I don't like this post. I'm about half-way through my read-through, so admittedly I'm missing perhaps a lot of information, but a lot of your posts are scummy. If you're so upset with people believing Varsoon, you should probably work a bit more with actively discrediting him rather than tossing your hands up and saying, "Fuck it, vote Varsoon, and I'm out."

[Xiao Long]

At least wait until tomorrow before anyone decides to lynch Varsoon.

I've been trying to read through the thread off and on all day whilst doing other irl stuff, but Flench and Jmo are really, really, really scummy and I think you guys are just letting them keep guiding your towards Varsoon.

[Xiao Long]

Because you're the easiest target here. You've also got, like, the most fucking posts in this game. And you, Titus and Saki basically spent ten pages arguing that, ultimately, ended up being worth fuck-all.

[Xiao Long]

Like, I can see the scum in you that other people see, but I think it's a lot less compared to fuckin' Jmo.

[Xiao Long]

Anyways, back to catching up for me. I'll come up with my case on Jmo when I'm done.

[Xiao Long]

Anyways, back to catching up for me. I'll come up with my case on Jmo when I'm done.

And you're sure you don't want to lynch the lying scum varsoon?

Yeah, um, what exactly IS your case on Varsoon? Like, if you've got one, care to post the post number? All I see from you is dropping votes without reasoning.

[Xiao Long]

Asian guy, already said. He fucking tried to counter claim a claim. Then he claims he didn't read the setup. THEN he claims he is just a VT. Why go through the trouble of lying, an why go through the trouble of saying "I didn't read the setup" if you lied in the first place? That means e lied about not reading the setup.

Is it honestly the first time you've seen a townie counter a claim to see if it's genuine? Let's go back to the original claim by Saki:
Saki was shit-posting and was all, "YOU WANT ME TO FUCKING CLAIM, I'LL DO IT, PUT ME AT L-2 AND I'LL SELF-VOTE AND CLAIM"
Saki was begging for votes just to get a claim out there. I certainly didn't believe the claim, because it's stupid to force yourself to claim early like that. What town PR does shit like that?

P-EDIT: Fuck sake, can you guys slow it down a little bit?

[Xiao Long]

One who doesn't know what to do..

Nah, from what I've seen, newb PR's tend to try not to draw so much attention to themselves.

Asian guy, already said. He fucking tried to counter claim a claim. Then he claims he didn't read the setup. THEN he claims he is just a VT. Why go through the trouble of lying, an why go through the trouble of saying "I didn't read the setup" if you lied in the first place? That means e lied about not reading the setup.

Is it honestly the first time you've seen a townie counter a claim to see if it's genuine? Let's go back to the original claim by Saki:
Saki was shit-posting and was all, "YOU WANT ME TO FUCKING CLAIM, I'LL DO IT, PUT ME AT L-2 AND I'LL SELF-VOTE AND CLAIM"
Saki was begging for votes just to get a claim out there. I certainly didn't believe the claim, because it's stupid to force yourself to claim early like that. What town PR does shit like that?

P-EDIT: Fuck sake, can you guys slow it down a little bit?

We already went through this

I'm sorry.

Yeah, you went through it after Varsoon CC'd, so thanks for proving my point?

[Xiao Long]

VOTE: Jmo

Pretty sure this is the correct lynch for today. Notice how he got more active the closer Varsoon got to being lynched? Notice how he's trying to make excuses for Saki? Notice how he only JUST made a worthwhile post?

[Xiao Long]

Yeah, I'm Varsoons partner. Couldn't possibly want to lynch you because you're scummy. /sarcasm
Is this really the only defense for yourself? Divert pressure away from you?

[Xiao Long]

wow you guys got bloodthirsty fast

so all of you are okay with glass and dyx not being around for this.

Glass is replaced, we're waiting for his replacement. I'm not saying rush a lynch, but everything I've seen from Jmo is just, "I'm scum, look out how town is dumb enough to let me get away with all of this bullshit."
I would, actually, like to get Dyx's opinion on the Varsoon and the Jmo case. As well as Pasch's.

[Xiao Long]

Throwing a vote on my top scumspect is being bloodthirsty? And your votes is...not?

[Xiao Long]

I believe I'm not voting anyone

Ah, my bad, mixed you up with someone.

[Xiao Long]

@Flench: You'd better have more to say when you catch up.

I am all for making jmo do something, he has been a mafia suspect of mine the whole game, but my vote aint changing sugapoo.

Except 767 where you say he's just a bad town and unhelpful, right?

[Xiao Long]

Shut the fuck up about Detective Conan, no one loves him like I love him. We got a game here, yo.

[Xiao Long]

Is this thread really devolving into anime shitlording?
Meh, I guess we'll get as much info discussing anime for ten pages as we did for the entire Saki vs Varsoon vs Titus debacle.

[Xiao Long]

How do you give Golden Boy and 8 and not a 10, Varsoon?
Varsoon is scum.

[Xiao Long]

Hey, man, Golden Boy is amazing, but I'm harsh on my reviews and I already got more of the same (and better) from GTO.

Both are 10 tier. Fucking level 2 shitlord.

[Xiao Long]

From what I've seen, town Varsoon never makes any fucking sense, whereas scum Varsoon is usually on target. Can you serious say shit like, "Essentially, I think Tunnel's on the second level. Which is why his entire list of points relies on second-level logic." makes any fucking sense?
Not saying it clears him, but I have no idea what the fuck Varsoon is talking about half the time.

[Xiao Long]

Actually nvm I should have ISO'd JMO before, anyone that hasn't ISO'd JMO should do so now, vote stays on Varsoon

-Sakura Hana

Care to expand?

I don't think you trust in my scum hunting from last night.
I cry, cause Jmo deserves to die.

[Xiao Long]

1. He's been telling the truth this whole time, he's been on Varsoon the whole time.
2. He isn't lurking we are just too active, there were only 2 inactivity times on his ISO (Look at timestamps)
3. His posts DO have content.

-Sakura Hana

1. His vote swapping wasn't my argument, and it's the least-scummy thing people have argued against him.
2. He's actively lurking and posting minimal amount to avoid prods, half his posts are "you guys are fucking idiots"
3. Where?

Like, literally every encounter with Jmo is something like:
"Jmo!
Why don't you post a little content?!
Why did you leave the vote upon the Varsoon?!"
"I WANTED TO!"
"Why did you leave the vote upon the Varsoon?!"
"I WANTED TO!"

[Xiao Long]

Sure, it would actually make more sense than not voting Jmo.

[Xiao Long]

When Jmo flips scum, I guess I'll be going after you next.

[Xiao Long]

And that is almost like it coensides with me being busy doesnt it? *gasps*

"Guys, I'm busy, that means I can't post any content when I find the time to make a post. Geez."

[Xiao Long]

@Xiao, Tell me if you see the same pattern I am documenting below please in your read. Also, what Varsoon claims about his meta is useless, since he's claimed everything under the sun. Meta is only useless if you believe it to be. I believe it is low-value, so it has little influence with me.

@All, I'm looking at the pattern here for the voting and it seems like Saki's claim really altered what most of the players thought about who was scum and who wasn't. I am beginning to think that Saki was a target for a mislynch at the start of the game. Saki, being relatively newer than even me, can be the most likely relied upon to say something like the gist in post 987 that says he's focused on survival. Perhaps this is why Varsoon counter-claimed because I don't automatically take a claim at face value. Still, it seems like the game shifted 180 after Saki's claim.

This may be irrelevant now, but:
I think, if anything, the claim and the counter allowed scum to just relax while the entirety of town was focusing on you, Varsoon and Saki. Anytime it seemed like things might be calming, someone would come in and fan the flames with a vote or something. This is why Pasch repeatedly said, "Let's focus on the lurkers." - wish you guys would have done this.

[Xiao Long]

@Oriole: Yeah, and I wasn't calling for it now, but earlier. The fact that it didn't happen is significant and worth tracking.
On the VoteMe front, I'm digging for info from someone with the same slot. That slot hasn't produced information other than "Never voting Varsoon", and I want to know if Xiao has any idea why. This not only lets us see Xiao's approach to that aspect of the game, but also lets us track Xiao's rationale from this point to any one later.

No, nothing about my role would stop me from voting you, and your play is just cute enough for me to not want to lynch you today. I might just be doing some third or fourth level play right now, though.

[Xiao Long]

Case against

JMO

:

80 - First relevant post from Jmo. It's a vote on Glass. That's it. No explanation, no "hmm, i dun liek wut ud psted!" Just a vote.
104 - Tries to discredit the vote on him from Glass by saying it's an OMGUS. Also says he hates when people say others are dodging/ignoring questions even though it's exactly what he's doing. Finally justifies his vote against Glass as "Titus is an easy lynch or you're voting him for it." Why didn't he say that to begin with?
111 - Again tries to discredit Glass by saying he's "misrepping" even though everything Glass said was true.
113 - Trying his damndest to make it seem like Glass is hoping to get "newbtown" lynched.
140 - According to Jmo, it's not refusal to answer unless he actually says he refuses to answer. This is a pedantic argument that scum always try to get away with, "Well, unless I actually explicitely stated X, assuming Y is wrong becazuse I say so."
208 - This post is hilarious because he's calling out Saki for not scum hunting even though HE HIMSELF ISN'T SCUM HUNTING.
265 - Getting a bit chuffed over people calling you out for only prod-dodging instead of making an effort to post content, aren't you?
424 - Hey, look! Another vote without reason!
429 - "Fuck it, lynch everybody. Don't worry about making certain, just lynch 'em. That way me and my scum buddies can win!"
436 - Herding town to voting by way of threat (not voting for either Saki or Varsoon is letting scum walk all over us)
439 - Except you're not really pushing a lynch, you're just throwing a vote out there and essentially calling people stupid for not voting Varsoon. Pushing a lynch would be making a post about why you
find someone scum.
He's actually got a few posts like this where he just keeps saying, "Pls gaiz, vote varsoon"
914 - Oh look, a reason why he thinks Varsoon is scum....followed up by an insult to intelligence as an attempt to get people to vote Varsoon.
933 - Pasch questions Jmo's reasoning and Jmo tells him to fuck off. Why hasn't Jmo been lynched yet?
970 - "Well, since the lynch I want isn't happening, I'll unvote." - So, instead of leaving your vote on who you think is scum...you take your vote off because no one is sheeping you.
1062 & 1065 - I can't remember what form of rhetoric this is, but it's basically when one person keeps repeating the same thing over and over again in hopes of getting others to believe them. I like to call it Scum Rhetoric, though.
1076 - Someone mentioned that Jmo hasn't been vote flipping. Jmo himself apparently believes he WAS vote flipping as he didn't even deny it in this post. Shows how little he's paying attention to his own play. He's been tunneling Varsoon while barely toying with the idea of Glass being scum.
1082 - lol, yeah, and you're attacking the person most likely to be lynched to make it look like YOU are scum hunting.
1120 - Employing scum rhetoric again.
1161 - Attempt to discredit my campaign against him by calling me Varsoon's partner.
1279 - Oh, hey, look, he finally realised where his vote has been for most of the game.


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Basically, Jmo spends the whole game being hostile and anti-town. Usually takes four or five different people asking in order for Jmo to explain his reasonings for various things. Instead of refuting points made against him, he insults the poster instead. He also insults people who do not sheep him, and he actively lurks. Jmo is the scummiest player in this game.

[Xiao Long]

There's 50% likelihood of a serial killer, right?

[Xiao Long]

I'd think Cherry is either scum or SK, then. But I'm much more confident about Jmo for today.

[Xiao Long]

Varsoon you're already threading on thin ice, dont make it thinner, even tho you're practically a walking corpse now
-Sakura Hana

Varsoon treading on thin ice is irrelevant to whether he posts his thoughts on you being scummy. Also irrelevant to the fact that you are scummy. You're doing the same sort of thing Jmo does.

[Xiao Long]

You don't get it... you're technically already dead.

-Sakura Hana

Who is John Doe?

-Sakura Hana

Is the Sakura half of this hydra intentionally this dense?

[Xiao Long]

John Doe is an ambiguous name given to unidentified bodies. Titus is saying that he doesn't know who the third scumbuddy is.

[Xiao Long]

Btw, the one's who've driven all the wagons are Varsoon and Titus, my other head was going for TV before I decided to go for Varsoon, and you guys are driving the wagon to JMO and I haven't intervened there at all, and now they are trying to start a wagon against me.

-Sakura Hana

P-Edit: Ah thanks, i'm not aware of american symbolism like that one.

Pretty sure TV flat out called you scum. Iirc, Pasch did too, but I could be wrong. I didn't get a scum vibe from you until about halfway through the thread. Past few pages have only furthered that.

[Xiao Long]

lmao, "Let me imply that you're scum as well in an effort to AGAIN divert attention away from myself."

If you think I'm scum, then vote for me. Otherwise, don't waste my fucking time.

[Xiao Long]

Funny you didnt notice it, I totally thought your intention was to unmask me with a wagon on me, too late now tho, you're still dead

-Sakura Hana

P-Edit:

I think scum could be either Varsoon/Titus/Xiao or Varsoon/Xiao/Someone else.

My other heads agrees against Varsoon, dunno what he thinks of other possible scum.

I question whether you even know what you're talking about anymore. Saying, "Aha! I've caught you, fiend. You fell right into my trap," and then not even saying what the trap was does nothing for your credibility. I didn't even state which post made me believe you were scum, so I don't know who you think you're bullshitting.

nice case long, im not buying it.

Kay.

Varsoon.

Tries to counter claim a likely town PR.

After much debating about numbers and shit, he then says that he didnt read the setup, yet is still a RB. Who doesn't read the setup youre about to play in? surely he read the setup.

Then, he says that he lied and is actually a VT, trying to expose saki if she fake claimed.

why didn't he just claim VT instead of lying about not reading the set up? Why go through that drawn out lie? to cover himself because he is scum.

So, Whats the number one rule as town? Don't lie about your role. sure, there are certain gambits that pay off if you lie, but there was no master plan here besides getting saki to give up.

My vote has been on varsoon the whole time, WAITING for you people to realize how his scum play is and lynch him. But no, lets play slap dick and believe him.

then he tried to pull out this bread crumb shit out of his ass. WTF?

Look, there is no chance he is a RB, unless he lied again. We lynch him now and stop the WIFOM later on in the game that what if he really is scum. If he is town, we lose a VT. If he is scum, better for us.


i dont like flench. cherry could be scum. il read over them.

Is dyslexicon even playing?

Playing exactly like a level one scum would. Er, I think. I still don't understand the levels bullshit, but I assume you're being level one scum right now.

Regardless, trying to justify your case AFTER you've had a shit storm thrown at you doesn't do much for your town cred. In fact, I'd assume town would just refute my points and say, "No, this is clearly where I said X." The saddest thing in your case is that Varsoons town-crumbing is more believable than any of your posts.


To the rest of town, I'd say we lynch Jmo today and Cherry tomorrow. Easy, breezy, beautiful cover girl.

[Xiao Long]

Regardless, trying to justify your case AFTER you've had a shit storm thrown at you doesn't do much for your town cred. In fact, I'd assume town would just refute my points and say, "No, this is clearly where I said X." The saddest thing in your case is that Varsoons town-crumbing is more believable than any of your posts.

IVE HAD THE SAME FUCKING REASONS THROUGHOUT THE FUCKING GAME YOU DIP SHIT.

All of which came after your votes for no reason. You apparently think that just because you explained why you voted six hundred posts ago somehow negates the fact that you didn't explain the votes in the first place. I like that you're squirming now, though. Calling me a dipshit. You're so chuffed.

[Xiao Long]

Titus: Let me tell you why this isn't a policy lynch.
Why should I believe Varsoon is town playing anti-town and not scum trying to set Saki up for a lynch. If you think the breadcrumbs are enough proof, they could be insurance he left behind in case he was caught.

Probably because he said Saki is conftown for him like thirty times.

All the same he could be an actual town VT.

All in all... We dont fricken know! so it's not a policy lynch, and we should be acting on his scummy behavior rather than his supposed breadcrumb.

-Sakura Hana

Except you and Jmo are actually scummier, so....

[Xiao Long]

Regardless, trying to justify your case AFTER you've had a shit storm thrown at you doesn't do much for your town cred. In fact, I'd assume town would just refute my points and say, "No, this is clearly where I said X." The saddest thing in your case is that Varsoons town-crumbing is more believable than any of your posts.

IVE HAD THE SAME FUCKING REASONS THROUGHOUT THE FUCKING GAME YOU DIP SHIT.

All of which came after your votes for no reason. You apparently think that just because you explained why you voted six hundred posts ago somehow negates the fact that you didn't explain the votes in the first place. I like that you're squirming now, though. Calling me a dipshit. You're so chuffed.

MY VOTES HAD THE SAME REASONING. I SAID MY REASONING. you are a dipshit.

You're too chuffed to realise you missed my point. All of your reasonings came AFTER you voted Varsoon for no reason in the first place. Even then, they weren't fully fleshed out until around the time I came into the game.

[Xiao Long]

I don't support Meta evidence, but:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4787887
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4784809
and
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4828742


JMO always does this when he's in danger of being lynched as scum.

Nail in the coffin, imho.

[Xiao Long]

lol, Titus, it's just a GIF, fear not.
Meh, I'll spoiler it next time I drop the Keen.

[Xiao Long]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p4663861

Immediately followed up by: "ive had a good attitude the whole time. I got sick and tired of being called a fuck head and being told to fuck myself."
Being emotional because other people have been insulting your intelligence and such is called for as town in my eyes. In this game, however, you're the one that's been verbally abusing everyone.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4625693

"I'm not from New Orleans. It's trash filled? You've got any more 5th grade jokes? You're such an idiot it's unreal."
So you're being insulted here, too. Who in this game has insulted you for you to be acting so chuffed?

[Xiao Long]

The fact that Varsoon is finding every single piece of evidence he can find to pull a lynch on jmo is giving me bad vibes, so i don't think i'm unvoting him as I still think he's the correct lynch today.
Xiao agreeing with it instead of forming his own opinion is also giving me bad vibes.

-Sakura Hana

Ah, I guess my ISO of Jmo isn't forming my own opinion. Well, fuck me, guys. =/

[Xiao Long]

inb4 Dys, bulb and stubbs are scum and are laughing right now at watching us bicker.

Also what's with all the fluff lately?

-Sakura Hana

Bulb has to read the entire thread to catch up, and Stubbs posted earlier today. Right now we just wait.

[Xiao Long]

@All, please really stop with the autoplaying GIFs please.

I'm perfectly fine with waiting. *looks at the big pile of work* Blah....

If I could figure out how to stop and start GIFs, bro, I would. =/

Spoiler:

[Xiao Long]

I think Xiao suggested it: Cherry as Serial Killer. I find myself thinking this to be very plausible. I would really like to engage DP when he is available. Let's make a date? I have some questions for the doctor of pepper.

Well, I think Cherry is either scum or serial killer. Don't see her/him being town.

Bulbzie, why is it going to take a couple days to catch up? Rank pulled off a complete thread read today. Unless you have a mafia thread you've got to catch up on too. Then you've def got more work to do. And probably talk strategy right? Yeah, must be harder to get up to speed as mafia... take your time, we understand how important it is.

-1-

It actually took me about two and a half days of reading off and on. I imagine just sitting down and reading the thread would only take a few hours. You could obviously skim it in less time.

Cherry:

We'll know D2 unless you're roleblocked.

[Xiao Long]

Whatever, you make no sense. We'll lynch you tomorrow, etc.

[Xiao Long]

I've already decided on my roleblock target

, I'll just stay quiet and wait for replacements and such

wasn't Cherry

Don't say who it was. But no, I don't expect you to roleblock cherry. I don't expect scum to either (all scum possibilities have a roleblocker, right?). I do expect if we have any cops to investigate Cherry.

[Xiao Long]

Busy with some stuf atm, I'll be back to posting in 12ish hours.

I've also got you on the clock.

Spoiler:

[Xiao Long]

If you want to lynch Varsoon, do it tomorrow and lynch Jmo today. Bang bang, money game.

[Xiao Long]

Weird you guys mentioned a serial killer when a) theres an equal chance of having 3 scum or having 2 scum and a serial killer or b) accusing me of being scum partly because of town reading jmo (and partly because of shit that was obviously hydra dissonance). Now if you think Im scummy for defending jmo, and you think he is mafia and you think I am serial killer a) why does it make me serial killer for town reading someone who you people think is mafia? Surely if this was true then I wouldn't have any idea if jmo was scum, right? b) now if I *somehow* think he was scum, wouldn't I want him dead as well? Considering the mafia win con also involves the SK dying.

I don't know if anyone mentioned the possibility of you being SK before me, but I think I said I wouldn't be surprised if you were SK. Later I said SK OR scum fit you. Now though? I'm more convinced of SK. You ask why would an SK do all of this? You're already discrediting the SK argument for if there definitely is an SK. It wouldn't surprise me for a smart SK to do exactly what an SK SHOULDN'T do, then start advertising that you're actively doing what an SK would not do. One of you two by yourself I don't think would be clever enough for that, but two of you together is possible.

Frankly this accusation feels like a) you guys didnt want to accuse me of scum because you know Im not OR b) youre trying to deflect SK off us. Because how else would you know there was an SK here? Answer? If you were one.

Because there's 50% likelihood of an SK being in this game. I'd rather assume there is and be pleasantly surprised when there isn't.

Xiao Long, 1490 is bad. First you want us being lynched tomorrow, now its okay for you to let Stubbs do so tomorrow? I thought you havbe a strong town read on him.

I'm mostly trying to get Stubbs to vote Jmo today. I'd be fine with a Varsoon lynch tomorrow, but I'd definitely prefer you to be lynched tomorrow.

Titus, first of all Its scummy for Xiao Long for saying it because he has a strong town read on Varsoon. Then he said earlier he wants us dead tomorrow. Now he tells Stubbs its fine for him to pursue Varsoon tomorrow?

Where are you getting this idea that I have a strong townread on Varsoon? I said I can see the plausibility in Varsoon being town because generally, as town, he makes no fucking sense - I used the levels bullshit as my example of him not making sense in this game. I didn't say I'm certain he's not scum. I have a 50% scum read on Varsoon. I have a 99% scum read on Jmo. I have an 89% scum read on you. Does that help you understand better?

Aside from that take time to ISO him. Seriously, I really think he is town. What makes him scum? Lurking? Tunneling? Those are so not scum tells.

I DID ISO HIM. You obviously didn't read it, because if you did, you'd notice I included more than just lurking and tunneling as reasons for his scumminess.

And I just lost a town game because someone lied, and they said they lied and town believed him and he steam rolled over everyone until LyLo and won and im so fricken mad that I decided i should probably Lynch all liars from now on /rant

Quit advocating policy lynches. It's all well and good that you just got out of a game where someone lied and they were scum. I just finished following a game where two VT's lied about power roles. It's obviously something that both alignments can do, yo.

Spoiler:

New Xioix guy- Don't try to drop any sc2 knowledge yo, I'll embarrass you all day. Come at me on bnet hater.

Kekekekeke, I will happily admit I'm terrible at Starcraft, I just like to watch the Koreans play. Shit's so controlled chaos.

[Xiao Long]

So you're voting for someone who you, yourself, say might not be scum? Rather than Jmo who definitely IS scum?
Must be nice to be conftown, eh?

[Xiao Long]

I just think it's embarrassing that you all are allowing Jmo to get away with all this. <.<
Oh well, if you guys are really that intent on hammering Varsoon, Jmo definitely needs to die tomorrow.

[Xiao Long]

The problem is Xiao, we don't have two lynches. I don't want EITHER to get away with what they've done and one must be picked.

I can understand that, and I can respect that, but there's one thing you can't deny: Varsoon has generated a vast amount more content than Jmo. Jmo hasn't even produced content. Has Jmo even questioned anyone? Jmo has sat by the wayside all game and basically called anyone he didn't agree with a dumbass. If Varsoon is scum, he's a better lynch for tomorrow or D3. Hell, I'll even hammer Varsoon myself tomorrow if I need to.

[Xiao Long]

So suddenly i'm not the top lynch tomorrow? that's nice to know

Also ok TV let's extend the day so we get 10 more pages of fluff posts provided by Varsoon with the special thanks of Saki.

It's like you have an inability understand what I'm saying. FOR ME, yes, you are top priority for tomorrow. That's why I said Varsoon is a better lynch for tomorrow OR D3. Did you miss that D3 part?
Obviously I'm going to do what I can to get you lynched tomorrow, but if town refuses to lynch you, then I'll accept the Varsoon lynch. FOR TODAY, THOUGH, I cannot accept anything but a Jmo lynch.

[Xiao Long]

@Xiao, you say Varsoon has contributed more stuff, but the stuff is more WIFOM, confusion and fillers than benefit for town.
Also, is your case on jmo mostly built on the meta?
)

You're not looking at the broader picture. Yeah, there's a lot of WIFOM in regards to what alignment Varsoon is, but from the responses to his original CC against Saki, I've got town reads on at least three other people.
And no, the meta thing is what Varsoon posted, I did an ISO of him which apparently no one but Titus read.

apparently content=town.

More than just prod-dodging and insulting people.

[Xiao Long]

he seems a little to focused on bending the town to his will, saying that a lynch on a scummy player is unacceptable to him because JMO needs to be lynched first

Mostly because I've learned that I'm usually right with my reads.
And like I said, I have a 99% Scum rating for Jmo and a 50% Scum rating for Varsoon, so obviously I feel the Jmo lynch needs to happen today.

[Xiao Long]

he seems a little to focused on bending the town to his will, saying that a lynch on a scummy player is unacceptable to him because JMO needs to be lynched first

Mostly because I've learned that I'm usually right with my reads.
And like I said, I have a 99% Scum rating for Jmo and a 50% Scum rating for Varsoon, so obviously I feel the Jmo lynch needs to happen today.

Yeah, I don't like the numbers thing here. Is that more a confidence rating or are you thinking there's some sort of objective pattern.

It's a confidence thing. It's a way of visually representing how strongly secure I am in my opinion. Not any sort of actual mathematical probability.

[Xiao Long]

Well, we lynch one and shoot the other if we have a vig. I'm sure there would be enough people who might possibly draw the roleblockers anyway.

I see two likely teams at this point. Varsoon/Xiao and Cherry/JMO. There is the option that Xiao is just wrong on his town read of Varsoon however. The read should tell us a lot.

However, if there is an SK, I would be relatively confident in saying it's not Cherry or Xiao right now.

I wouldn't say I have a town read on Varsoon.
I have a town read on Oriole and Tunnel, but a null-scum read on Varsoon.

[Xiao Long]

If we do have a vig, that's good. Last thing we want is for anymore of our PR's outting themselves like Saki did, though. So, if there is a vigor, shoot Jmo or Varsoon tonight if you're not roleblocked.

[Xiao Long]

If we do have a vig, that's good. Last thing we want is for anymore of our PR's outting themselves like Saki did, though.

So, if there is a vigor

, shoot Jmo or Varsoon tonight if you're not roleblocked.

Hmm, Bioshock slipping into my posts for some reason.


Jmo: If there's a vig, why WOULDN'T they shoot you?

[Xiao Long]

But Cherry is basically advertising that he/she is doing the exact opposite of what an SK SHOULD do. What's the point in advertising it now when you're not in danger of being lynched today? Seems like real town would use that as evidence of town if people started piling votes on them. Cherry is likely scum - sk or mafia is what we find with the flip.

[Xiao Long]

But Cherry is basically advertising that he/she is doing the exact opposite of what an SK SHOULD do. What's the point in advertising it now when you're not in danger of being lynched today? Seems like real town would use that as evidence of town if people started piling votes on them. Cherry is likely scum - sk or mafia is what we find with the flip.

Can you try to rephrase this? I'm almost certain that Cherry is Mafia with JMO. Are you stating that Cherry is trying to act not like a serial killer by defending JMO? I'm not seeing the motivation.

That's what I'm saying, yes. The motivation would be to go, "No guys, duh, if I were SK/Mafia, I wouldn't have done this!" But the fact that she's already stating this is working against her, imo.

I think i've hinted towards my alignment many times already

Where?

I havent posted for five pages
omfg nuuuuuu

food for thought:
why is there no pressure on oriole?
why is there no pressure on my claim?

Oriole is one of the townier people for me atm.
Which claim?

[Xiao Long]

afaik we were talking about optimal SK play
i conclude that the most likely SK is either oriole or me based on that

You're unlikely to be SK based on the ten page fuck fest amongst you, Varsoon and Titus.

Yeah oriole seems so certain that i'm an SK that makes me question his alignment

But only after someone else mentioned it, right?

[Xiao Long]

totally missed Dyx in my catch up
wb back my friend

@Xiao
an SK can't sail through the game as an un cc'd town PR?

@Cherry
he said he wasn't certain, he needs information from N1

You were CC'd, though, and your reactions seemed genuine to me, and I'm assuming most other people agree.

[Xiao Long]

A lot of people have posted GIFs and fluff. It's irrelevant, so move on.

[Xiao Long]

I think i've hinted towards my alignment many times already

Where?

[Xiao Long]

I think i've hinted towards my alignment many times already

Where?

[Xiao Long]

Oh boy, do we really have to play the, "I'm not gonna answer questions" game with yet another person?

[Xiao Long]

I've been hinting towards my alignment all this time, you guys just don't see it, but it'll all become clear eventually.

Being cryptic isn't really helping your town credibility. Fuck the Varsoon lynch tomorrow, Cherry deserves that honour.

[Xiao Long]

Exactly, i've done everything to put attention on Varsoon what is the scum motivation behind me drawing attention towards me? Wouldn't that be playing against my win con?

Just for the record, saying "what's the scum motivation behind drawing attention to myself" as a way of vindicating yourself also, in turn, vindicates Varsoon.

[Xiao Long]

JMO's town

W...wait, did you really just say that?
Oriole is town.
TunnelVision is town.
Pasch is town.
Jmo is not fucking town.

[Xiao Long]

JMO's town

W...wait, did you really just say that?
Oriole is town.
TunnelVision is town.
Pasch is town.
Jmo is not fucking town.

Spoiler: long

Responding to that post twice. Jmo confirmed for chuffed.

Spoiler:

[Xiao Long]

He's not the only one. The fact that our mod has so many more posts than half of the players is sad. The fact that I'm only ten posts behind Jmo and I joined much later is sad. The fact that Jmo hasn't been lynched yet is sad.

[Xiao Long]

So Flench, you think scum team is Titus and Varsoon. Do you not think Jmo is scum?

[Xiao Long]

This is getting out of control. I'm not really comfortable with lynching Titus based on the thought that he could be scum buddies with Varsoon. Most of the time when you try to figure out scum teams when there hasn't even been a flip, you just end up being dead wrong.
I also think it's weird how you guys are completely against the possibility of Jmo/Varsoon being scum together. If one of them flips, don't rule the other out.

Also, calm down with rolefishing allegations. There's a difference between verifying claims or trying to figure out alignments and rolefishing.

[Xiao Long]

@Saki, the context was that I perceived you as wanting to claim so I made it happen. You can bring up the same argument over and over but the answers aren't going to change.

I already told you that I was not saying I wanted to claim.
Stop using it as a defense to justify your actions.

Please.

No one forced you to claim except yourself. You even put yourself at L-1 to do it, for some reason. You seem to forget the attitude you had at the time. You were very much daring people to make you claim, and it DID look like you wanted to claim.

[Xiao Long]

Cherry, you dodging my questions? You've got two heads, at least one of you should be able to answer questions directed at them.

Cherry has taken the Jmo approach of refusing to answer questions.

[Xiao Long]

Just going to give an update. I am on page 37 and am really struggling to find the energy or enthusiasm to catch up in this game. I'm seriously considering taking a page out of Kuribo's book and hammering simply to buy me the time to catchup without 20 more pages being added to the game per day.

Um, no, dude. We have over a week before deadline, just catch up. We can hammer when you've fully caught up.

Varsoon, give me a reason that is not WIFOM of why you shouldn't be lynched. Don't even try any of that multi-level crap, because that alone makes me want to lynch you on the spot. Also, why would you even claim a PR if you're a VT? I haven't gotten to that part in the game, but I saw everyone talking about it (I check in from time to time to check on the current status.). I can't see the town motivation for any of this.

You should have already passed the part where he claimed roleblocker. Did you not think Saki's claim was odd?

[Xiao Long]

You outed yourself.....

That was my other head who didn't understand my plan, and so far all you know is im a town PR, scum doesn't know if im a dangerous PR to them or not yet.

You're the one that brought attention to it. You're continually spinning a web of bullshit hoping that a few flies or a Saki will fall into it so you can inject them with your ideas. Is that a shitty analogy? Yes. Is Jmo scum? Yes.
Let's lynch Jmo, fuck sake.

[Xiao Long]

I've already said I can only accept a Jmo lynch today and Cherry can be tomorrow's lynch.

[Xiao Long]

@Saki: Where?
My motivation for CCing you was to ascertain if you were lying about your early role-claim.

Maybe if you keep repeating it everyone will understand.
Like, I thought it was obvious, but apparently not.

[Xiao Long]

okay, so lets say varsoon was correct and saki was lying.

What do you expect saki to do in that situation? say "damn, im actually scum you guys, you got me"? huh

I would have expected her reaction to be a lot more faux-town than before. Have you never reaction-tested? Like....ever?
I mean, I know in this game you don't scum hunt or anything, but in games where you're town do you never reaction test?

[Xiao Long]

some times. sure. but, HOW DO YOU EXPECT HER TO REACT, TO SOMETHING THAT IS NORMAL IN THE SET UP?

Decent point. Since Varsoon apparently didn't read the setup the CC was pointless...

Doesn't change the reasoning for his CC. He obviously didn't read the set-up, and he thought Saki's seeming desire to claim was scummy (note: I thought so, too), so he, without realising the set-up allowed for more than one roleblocker, decided to test her claim and try to counter-claim.

Let's make this simple because apparently people aren't able to understand it well:
1. The set-up allows for more than one roleblocker.
2. Varsoon didn't read the set-up, and therefore thought there was only the possibility of one roleblocker.
3. Saki is very quick to claim and it seems scummy.
4. Varsoon decides to verify Saki's seemingly scummy claim by counter-claiming because he thought it would work because he didn't know the set-up allowed for one roleblocker.
5. Varsoon was corrected that it was possible there was more than one roleblocker, but there was still a lot of discussion and reactions from Saki and others that helped get reads on multiple people.
6. I don't like odd numbers.

wait, xiao, you're saying I'm scum?

No, I think you're town, but I thought your original claim was scummy because there was no reason for you to claim as early as you did.

[Xiao Long]

582 Xiao I explain everything about slinging shit at me for claiming here go read it

He said he read the set-up recently.


"No, I think you're town, but I thought your original claim was scummy because there was no reason for you to claim as early as you did."
backpedalling noted

This is really frustrating having to explain the obvious so many times.
Yes, I know you made that post. I read it. It came after Varsoons counter claim. Before everyone started slinging shit at you for claiming early, Varsoon CC'd to verify whether your seemingly scummy claim held water.

He said he read the set-up a thousand posts ago. This is a 2k post D1. A thousand posts ago was just two or three days ago. Either way, he read the set-up after the fake CC.

[Xiao Long]

you realize its 1 in the morning my time?

I guess you better stop dicking around and get started then.

im actually studying for a calc exam tomorrow morning. doesnt look like il be getting to your reads post. too bad.

Let's be honest here, time doesn't matter, you probably wouldn't make a post with good content either way.

[Xiao Long]

@Stubbs: You're terrible and I hope town can see that before this game ends. You can clearly see his anxiousness for the mislynch and the deflation of it with his sigh post.

I still like my play a lot better than I like yours, and I don't exactly consider myself good. The mislynch part is just sad and unnecessary.

has noone noticed stubbs never delivered his case on JMO

What the hell are you talking about. My reason for voting JMo is one of the first posts I made.

You do realize I lead the train on Varsoon, causing him to withdraw his roleblocker claim

I thought that was Saki, actually? I even commented that it was a weird comment, if I remember correctly.

Bulbazak's post sums up this entire game.

Just going to give an update. I am on page 37 and am really struggling to find the energy or enthusiasm to catch up in this game. I'm seriously considering taking a page out of Kuribo's book and hammering simply to buy me the time to catchup without 20 more pages being added to the game per day.

Varsoon, give me a reason that is not WIFOM of why you shouldn't be lynched. Don't even try any of that multi-level crap, because that alone makes me want to lynch you on the spot. Also, why would you even claim a PR if you're a VT? I haven't gotten to that part in the game, but I saw everyone talking about it (I check in from time to time to check on the current status.). I can't see the town motivation for any of this.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Varsoon

Stubbs, don't be such a shit. Quit skimming and actually read the case on Jmo.

It is actually physically painful that people would rather lynch someone who may or may not be scum but definitely produced content instead of someone who definitely IS scum and REFUSES TO PRODUCE CONTENT.
Jmo will flip scum and you'll be slapping yourself for not seeing the obvious.

[Xiao Long]

"content" as in screwing with town and outing two PRs with the help of his buddy?

You outted yourself, and Cherry is either pretending or outted herself as well.
Due to his CC and the information following after it, I'm rather certain that Oriole and Tunnel are town, Titus is likely town, and you're most likely town.

[Xiao Long]

did you miss the entire part where we accused titus of driving us over that line in order to claim

He really didn't, though. Maybe you just feel like that because you were the one who was in the situation, but he was only applying mild pressure to you.

[Xiao Long]

Varsoon, Saki and Oriole can vote Jmo and end this day right now with a scum lynch.

[Xiao Long]

Varsoon, Saki and Oriole can vote Jmo and end this day right now with a scum lynch.

which isn't happening 'cause jmo isn't scum.

So looks like we should never listen to Saki ever.

[Xiao Long]

Varsoon, Saki and Oriole can vote Jmo and end this day right now with a scum lynch.

which isn't happening 'cause jmo isn't scum.

So looks like we should never listen to Saki ever.

If you don't like JMO for what he did you have no reason to leave stubbs alone right now

I'll look more at Stubbs tomorrow after we lynch Jmo.

[Xiao Long]

I thought you wanted to look into me

No, no, I want to hang you tomorrow. I don't need to look at you for that. I'll look at Stubbs tomorrow.

Varsoon, Saki and Oriole can vote Jmo and end this day right now with a scum lynch.

which isn't happening 'cause jmo isn't scum.

So looks like we should never listen to Saki ever.

If you don't like JMO for what he did you have no reason to leave stubbs alone right now

I'll look more at Stubbs tomorrow after we lynch Jmo.

He's here now you better get content out of him before he leaves us again.

Really. Sheeping Varsoon that hard

How am I sheeping?

Can we please hang Varsoon now? The case on JMO is weaker than the one on Varsoon.

Rank

Except not really? Literally half the reasons people want to lynch Varsoon are based on policy alone. Jmo is objectively scummier.

[Xiao Long]

So you're accusing me of tunnelling Varsoon.

You have both Varsoon and Titus as scum, but don't want to vote Varsoon? What's the logic in that?

Plausible deniability. She doesn't want to be directly associated with a Varsoon lynch in case Varsoon is town.

[Xiao Long]

I don't need to put words in your mouth, your actions do that for you.

[Xiao Long]

It should be pretty clear that no one is going for a Titus lynch today...

[Xiao Long]

Ejem, excuse me but Varsoon is scummier than JMO, JMO's tunneling causes reactions and people to take stances, and it's not anywhere near like Saki's or Wisdom's tunneling (which i hate) I'm guessing he has stick to that because he got a scummy reaction from Varsoon somewhere along the line.

Additionally, he HAS looked at other players, he's just a bit less cooperative in terms of providing reasoning, which to some extent I agree, the fact that Varsoon has garnered this many votes is no mere coincidence.

If it was a policy lynch, he'd either be already dead, or not many people would be on that wagon.

"Here's a lot of bullshit I'm making up to try and prevent my scumbuddy Jmo from being lynched"

[Xiao Long]

Xiao I see no motivation for you to chainsaw Varsoon. :/

I don't know what this means.

[Xiao Long]

Xiao I see no motivation for you to chainsaw Varsoon. :/

I don't know what this means.

You keep saying all of varsoon's attackers are scummy

Nah, just Jmo and Cherry.

[Xiao Long]

Do you guys not see the obvious play here

Titus builds and pushes JMO wagon for no reason other than "hey he's not very active"
Varsoon jumps on and they accuse him of whatever they want to
They both sneak off wagon for ===reasons===
Now they come back for L-1 vote and hammer for the mislynch.

during the whole thing town is duped into making cases against JMO

I don't like how DP is too worried about his alignment to actively prevent the JMO mislynch but I have no problem saying JMO is town and everyone pushing the JMO wagon is a) a retarded townie or b) scum.

I am actually giddy with anticipation to see your reaction when Jmo flips scum.

[Xiao Long]

I am actually giddy with anticipation to see your reaction when Jmo flips scum.

now I know why Varsoon likes you so much, lol.

No he won't flip scum?

I'd like to see your face when he hang you up for being all buddy-buddy with claimed scum.

Difference is I don't give a shit if I get lynched. Jmo is desperate not to get lynched.

[Xiao Long]

I am actually giddy with anticipation to see your reaction when Jmo flips scum.

now I know why Varsoon likes you so much, lol.

No he won't flip scum?

I'd like to see your face when he hang you up for being all buddy-buddy with claimed scum.

Difference is I don't give a shit if I get lynched. Jmo is desperate not to get lynched.

That's a very easy thing to say if you aren't at L-2 and scum is desperately trying to kill you off.

Then put me at L-2, scrub.

[Xiao Long]

You think Varsoon and Titus will let me? You think the inactive town will let me?

and really, what's the motivation behind that pigheaded dare?

You said I wouldn't say the same thing at L-2. So, put me at L-2 and watch me say the same thing.

Truth be said, it is impossible to know whether i'm a PR or not at this point in the game, but scum might be paranoid of me and roleblock me anyways, or attempt to roleblock saki to ensure their kill goes through.

oriole: I'm quite sold on your Stubbs case, but you still haven't commented on why he's better than Titus... Titus has been pretty

subtle

after all.

You wave this PR thing around more than the French wave a white flag. Either claim your PR or shut the fuck up about it.

[Xiao Long]

You said I wouldn't say the same thing at L-2. So, put me at L-2 and watch me say the same thing.

That wasn't the damn point?
When your death is imminent will you really say "I don't care about dying?"

Yes, that's what I've already said like three times now.

[Xiao Long]

You wave this PR thing around more than the French wave a white flag. Either claim your PR or shut the fuck up about it.

We just argue that there is no town motivation behind unmasking a PR.

Please don't fall for the obvious taunt Cherry.

The obvious taunt is for her to shut up about it. Hence why I said, "or shut the fuck up about it."

[Xiao Long]

Don't back out of that. That post was you calling for rope.

Yeah. I really don't think so.

Then vote me, if not, shut up.

[Xiao Long]

Don't back out of that. That post was you calling for rope.

Yeah. I really don't think so.

Then vote me, if not, shut up.

I'm not voting you or lynching you today because that will take away from the town.

Come to think of it, that's your plan?

mmm
No town motivation behind taunting two claimed PRs in an attempt to get them off Titus and Varsoon.

If that's the only thing you've managed to pull from my play this entire day, then no wonder you're blind to Jmo's scumminess.

[Xiao Long]

Fuck this shit. I come back to read and I'm on 84 of 92. 8 damn pages? Guess they are full of shit. Il read later.

"I'm pretending I even read the thread in the first place."

[Xiao Long]

Xiaox - How is not caring if you get lynched a protown play? You are helping mafia by letting the town lynch you. Trying to fight a lynch is always a town move, and giving up is a mafia move.

Not really, I'm confident enough in my play without the need to squirm at L-1.

Guys, it's great we have some other suspects. Some good cases, some good observations, etc.

But... I was first. So, kindly step to the back of the line while we hang Jmo first.

There's plenty of time to hang your favorite scum afterwards.

Thank you in advance for switching your votes back to the original scumlord, my pal, the one and only non town contributor... Jmo.

Vote for Jmo! A vote for Jmo is a vote for your children's future and health.

Brought to you by "The Bauss commission to lynch Jmo."

-1-

I agree!

[Xiao Long]

Xiao, peep this home skillet. I was here like 50 pages before you showed up with your lil anime bow tie and Gucci glasses. Now, you can kindly step off my shit and get in line, or I'ma sick Saki on your ass. Roll with me today and I'll get your back tomorrow. You feel me?

-1-

Why don't we do the reverse? You roll with me today, and I'll go with your option tomorrow?
Good! Glad we settled it!

[Xiao Long]

Ah screw it, im getting tired of waiting

Daykill: Titus

That's retarded. Titus is likely town.

[Xiao Long]

I'm voting Stubbs for pressure right now because we have time and he needs to be pressured for his scummy play.
Otherwise, if a JMO wagon builds to L-3 or bigger, I'll vote back there again. JMO's definitely my top scum-pick.

Pressure votes lose all pressure when you say they're pressure votes. O_O

[Xiao Long]

Ah, I can't keep track of all the possible roles in this set up.

[Xiao Long]

why are you in such a rush?

Why are you still lurking? Just post a full read list

with evidence

and tell me thanks for that link and I'll unvote you.

everyone is town.

except varsoon. hes super scum.

Also, thank you. Im on calc 1 for the third time.

You are 2/3 of the way there, I want to vote Varsoon so please let me.

He's not even 1 third. He doesn't have enough scums and there's no evidence. I'm also not certain what calculus I has to do with anything.

Then you haven't read all of the posts and you should die.

jk, I gave him a great website link for math studying.

And I have faith he is about to make a great post with his reads.

[Xiao Long]

You chuffed, Saki?

[Xiao Long]

How have I not read the thread?

[Xiao Long]

If I weren't reading the thread, I couldn't have responded to you.

[Xiao Long]

How am I buddying Varsoon? By saying lynch him tomorrow or D3 and lynch Jmo today instead? Is that your definition of buddying?
I didn't say Titus is solid town, I said she's likely town.

I wasn't giving you shit for them, I was explaining the rationale behind Varsoon's CC attempt. People clearly didn't understand why someone would do that, but I could see the logic in it, so I explained it. If you don't like the fact that I had to bring up something you posted previously, then mafia isn't really a game for you, is it?

We're not calling for a policy lynch on Jmo. If you actually read my ISO of him, he's quite scummy.

I do agree that Pasch is sadly inactive for conftown.

[Xiao Long]

you're obviously buddying him saying that he shouldn't be the lynch today. giving him squirming room
you made me link 581 like I did at least five fucking times this thread

Um, no, I didn't. I was explaining the rationale behind the CC and you for some reason thought I still didn't know why you claimed in the first place. I did know, but at the time of the CC, you hadn't made that post, so everyone was questioning your claim. Do you understand yet? This isn't that hard of a concept.

oh yeah, varsoon, you aren't going to CC vig and try to confirm Cherry for the NK?

Sure, I'm actually the vig.

explain why JMO isn't a policy lynch based on 2213
which obviously noone has fucking read.

I did read that, I consider it an add-on to my case. Explain why you never read my original case to begin with. If you did, you would not be saying the Jmo lynch is a policy lynch.

[Xiao Long]

Xiao, was that sarcasm?

Yeah

at least varsoon is somewhat funny

another asshole in this game isn't going to help it

The irony is that you're the one being an asshole right now. =/

[Xiao Long]

It was obviously a joke CC. You had a confrontational attitude so I mocked it.

Who did I taunt into claiming?

[Xiao Long]

No, mocking you wasn't really being an asshole considering how you were flipping out.

This is completely irrelevant to the actual game, though.
Just calm down, Saki

[Xiao Long]

Just calm down, Saki

glorious, coming from a guy who seems to play only to deliberately taunt people

That's a massive disservice to my overall agenda. I am not one to merely taunt people for no reason. I often times find myself questioning the motives of others - be they people I meet in the real world, or other players on this very site. This leads to me using certain tactics to analyze players. Sometimes players, such as yourself, are not very happy with my methods, so they will insult me for my methods. I feel this is not a very nice thing to do to someone. Perhaps you have had an encounter where you employed a certain form of rhetoric in order to accurately gauge your enemy. Perhaps that enemy was not quite pleased with your actions. If that's the case, sure you would know where I'm coming from. I remember growing up I lived with my mother. Every couple of weeks I would go to my fathers and spend a weekend there. I never really liked that though, as he lived in a trailer and it was very boring. Around the age of 8 I got my very first Playstation. I was so happy, and I played Twisted Metal all day every day. My favourite character in Twisted Metal was the guy on the motorcycle. He was so cool. A lot cooler than everyone else. The best part about Twisted Metal was that you could shoot cars with others cars that had guns on them. It's a pretty amazing game, really. Sort of Mad Max-esque. My step-brother was always better at it than me, and I really didn't like him for that. I started to complain and he told me one very important thing: "The only way to get smarter is by playing a smarter opponent." I applied this wisdom to every facet of my life. So, dear Saki, I tell you this, not as a way of making myself seem superior to you, but as a token of friendship: The only way to get smarter is by playing a smarter opponent.


Now can we play the game at hand like civilised people?

[Xiao Long]

I was trying to be nice to you, but you're putting words into my mouth. I can't win for losing. =/

[Xiao Long]

Whatever, can we get back to the game?
Everyone vote Jmo. I really don't think Saki is scum, Titus.

[Xiao Long]

'ooh look I'll use my sig to call Saki stupid too'
'noone can blame me for that'

It's actually just really good advice, yo. =/

[Xiao Long]

'ooh look I'll use my sig to call Saki stupid too'
'noone can blame me for that'

It's actually just really good advice, yo. =/

"Advice" that calls me stupid and puts you above me. Like I'd call that advice.

So, dear Saki, I tell you this, not as a way of making myself seem superior to you, but as a token of friendship: The only way to get smarter is by playing a smarter opponent.

Way to misrep me. Not cool, dude. Not cool.

[Xiao Long]

There's a million other ways to say the same thing yet you say those exact words. It would've worked if I thought of you as my brother but obviously I don't.

Man...I...I'm really sorry.
I just wanted a moment of brohood that we can have, like, bonded and shit in.
Alright, I...I guess I get the picture now. ;.;

[Xiao Long]

I should probably give town another chance.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Varsoon

I give you 24 hours to get this guy hung up. I still remain that Titus should die.

P-Edit
You do know I hate both you and Xiao with a passion

You shouldn't, I'm actually a great person. Varsoon is a shitlord, but he's cool.

You should vote Jmo, though. He wears womens clothes.

[Xiao Long]

I think Titus is town that has done a few things slightly scummy. I wouldn't say he's rolefishing.

[Xiao Long]

The rest of Varsoon's team is Xiao and Dyslexicon. Xiao has been backing Varsoon's play since he entered, and it meshes with Vote Me saying he'd never vote Varsoon. Xiao is also chainsaw defending Varsoon.

Way to show your ass. You clearly haven't read the thread if you haven't seen me state multiple times I will gladly lynch Varsoon D2 or D3. Way to let Jmo get away with his bullshit.

Cherry being annoying and not thinking through her posts.

Dyx is fucking nowhere, she should be vig'd.

[Xiao Long]

Pretty sure this thread looks like this from the outside:

[Xiao Long]

I really don't think this lynch should count for two reasons:
1. Stubbs is replacing out.
2. Bulbazak is fucking retarded to vote without reading everything.
3. Special point number three: Cherry is retarded for hammering then pretending she didn't know it was a hammer.
4. I don't like odd numbers.

[Xiao Long]

Cherry, quit being fucking derp'd to shit. You should be strung up for that lynch. Quit pretending you didn't know it was a hammer, unless we're to believe you don't know how to fucking count.

[Xiao Long]

The only salvation is if our Dear Leader DBK does not allow for such insult to our mothergame. Dear Leader leaves replacements as No Votes until they actually vote.

@Dear Leader: Honour our mothergame by not counting that shithead hammer

[Xiao Long]

Then they should probably fuck off to another game.

[Xiao Long]

Varsoon is easily the most interesting entity to play with on this site.
lolling forever at thinking he'll get WotC'd.

[Xiao Long]

ITT: People being so blind to Jmo being scum.

[Xiao Long]

Jmo's face when he realises town were stupid enough to not lynch his scummy ass.

[Xiao Long]

Has this ever happened to you? You're trying to lynch scum, but you just can't seem to vote correctly?

[Xiao Long]

@Xiao: Chill, JMO was the second largest wagon today. He'll see a lynch tomorrow. Fast D2, like what every whiner in this thread wants.

Apparently not because people are blind.
I no longer care about the outcome of this game.

[Xiao Long]

Apparently not because people are blind.

Like you for wanting a town pr dead.

If you're talking about you, I don't think you see how bullshit your claim looks.

[Xiao Long]

Can we please give up on JMO.

You know what, sure, fuck it. Let's give up on the obvious scum. I promise I will sheep whatever vote you place tomorrow, Saki.

[Xiao Long]

I promise I will sheep whatever vote you place tomorrow, Saki.

<3

Just don't blame me when obvscum Jmo laughs at you for being so blind.

[Xiao Long]

Oh wow he flipped town?

I should have shot Xiao instead as my other head suggested...

Wouldn't have made a difference.

VOTE: Jmo

[Xiao Long]

Also, pretty sure Cherry is SK because who would be dumb enough to shoot Titus?

[Xiao Long]

Bulbazak: Any particular reason you think Dyx is scum? I think our "town vig" should have shot her last night, but that would have been logical.

Jmo: What is "Too many blocking/protecting roles to call me scum anyways" even supposed to mean?

[Xiao Long]

Sounds like you're squirming, but just to humour you, who do you think is scum?

[Xiao Long]

Except Titus was obvtown? It was a terrible choice for a NK. Even I would have been a better choice.

[Xiao Long]

Edit: long, why

wouldnt

scum kill obv town?

I meant terrible choice for a vig nk. It would be a good choice for scum. Which is why I think Cherry is SK.

[Xiao Long]

No, I just think you're wrong.

[Xiao Long]

Then 1/3 of the town is wrong. A few of that 1/3 thought Jmo was town, so, yeah.

[Xiao Long]

I still don't agree that he was a good target, I think Jmo would have been the best target as there was far more controversy concerning him.

If you guys are trying to figure out whether we have a doctor or not, let's look at it this way:

People who aren't Doctor:
Varsoon
Titus
Xiao Long
Cherry
Saki
Pasch
Tunnel
Jmo

People who could possibly be doctor:
Bulb
Dys
SalmonellaDreams
Oriole
Flench

[Xiao Long]

lol, okay. Then vote me. Just be sure to actually lynch scum afterwards.

[Xiao Long]

lol

[Xiao Long]

I'm scum and my scum buddy is Jmo. Is that better?

[Xiao Long]

I'll leave my vote on Jmo, and I think he should be todays lynch, but I'll still be looking at other players for sure.

[Xiao Long]

I think you are the SK and we have no vig. "Hey guys, I'm Vigging X tonight. Whoops, I keep hitting town, heehee."

[Xiao Long]

Doesnt explain why Titus was obv town.

Titus was obvtown because he was legitimately scumhunting, questioning evenly and had more pro-town posts than most people.

Also this is a pretty ballsy move for an SK to claim vig, cause, well idk, maybe scum would try to fucking kill us? Maybe its cause, we aren't the SK, and we are the legit vig?

Vig is the perfect fake claim for an SK, what's ballsy about that?

All the accusations of the SK thoery makes me think that you *could* be the SK with investigation immunity (cause you were the first person to bring this all up yesterday)
Or you are the mafia Godfather. And youre trying to get the vig lynched so you dont have to nightkill us.

I'm not sure you're correct about me bringing it up, but if I did, I don't care.
I couldn't be investigation immune because Tunnel clearly investigated me. So, me being an SK is out of the picture. Perhaps I am Godfather playing a terribly obvious game.

I just dont think you are town. A lot of the shit yesterday was so fucking anti town it hurts. Your interactions with Varsoon, and how you tried to not get him lynched? And what did he flip?

Cool, he flipped scum, he still wasn't the scummiest person yesterday, Jmo was. I'm not complaining about Varsoon dying now that he's flipped scum.

Also people, do younreally think jmo and Varsoon are partners together? Of Varsoon wanted to kill an inactive, why bus? Logic guys, use it.

"How do I scum motivations?"

[Xiao Long]

>mfw cherry doesn't see Titus flipped town

[Xiao Long]

lol, okay, Titus was being wary and trying not to mislynch. I guess that's scummy.

[Xiao Long]

"Titus was being wary and trying not to mislynch" TRANSLATION: Titus wanted to be sure if the person we were lynching was scum, and she wanted all the inactives to voice their thoughts. Pretty much obvtown things.

What do you mean how were they bussing? They were bussing by accusing each other constantly. The purpose of bussing is so that if one flips, the other will receive town cred.

Which means claiming Vig or SK isn't ballsy, it's just dumb, and you claimed for no reason. Like, think for a second, if you were SK OR VIG, which would you claim? You would claim Vig, obviously. Not my fault that you fucked up a crumb and then kept bringing attention to it.

[Xiao Long]

Titus wasn't even rolefishing. YOU WERE THE MOTHERFUCKER THAT KEPT BRINGING IT UP. You weren't even at L-1 when you claimed. <.<

Varsoon wasn't obvious scum because Varsoon has an absurd playstyle whether he is town or scum, which is why I only had a 50% scum read on him.

STOP WITH THE SPAM POSTING I DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER FIFTY PAGES TO READ BY THE TIME I'M DONE WHAT'S LEFT RIGHT NOW.
THIS BACK AND FORTH DRIVEL COULD LET THE SCUM STAY OUT OF THE SPOT LIGHT.

We're not spam posting, we're discussing the game. Why do you even have a vote right now when you haven't even caught up yet? That's like reading half a novel then critiquing it online. If this were the Sixth Sense, you'd still think Bruce Willis was just a normal therapist helping out a kid.

[Xiao Long]

Bulbazak, you should probably read some of his town games, then.

[Xiao Long]

You clearly haven't. Regardless, Jmo is still scummier. I'm going to laugh when he flips scum.

[Xiao Long]

You should pay more attention to the discussion because it's been questioned whether Saki's roleblocking prevented a NK or if we have a doctor.

[Xiao Long]

Yes, I can read. Your point?

The point is the point I just made. Jesus Christ. <.<

And lately, you've just been arguing over whether or not Titus was scummy.

That doesn't mean the other conversation didn't occur.


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[Xiao Long]

Ok so jmo dedicates his entire game to getting Varsoon lynched. Varsoon is mafia. So how is jmo mafia again?

Because bussing.

Mafia could have tried to kill Titus you know, or doctor save?

Yes, it's possible, but I don't think it's likely. Why would mafia not try to kill one of our claimed PR's?

Please don't kill anyone for a few days, only mafia wants a fast lynch with no discussion.

I am okay with waiting for you to get back.

I have strong cases against everyone with evidence

So everybody is scum?

Yeah, that confused me, too.

This game is so wut.

[Xiao Long]

Mafia needs to kill CherryDrPepper more than we need to lynch it. They're going to start hitting mafia tonight once we sort all this out and hear from everybody. I'm not suggesting it now, but we could almost mass claim and have really good odds of success.

-1-

I'm down for it considering we already have three exposed PR's.

[Xiao Long]

Not really, we massclaim, then scum are forced to kill PR's and Cherry is forced to kill VT's. The rest of town can lynch VT's.

[Xiao Long]

Wait, how do I end up being scum if Jmo flips scum? O_o

Xiao, Cherry, neither of you are playing very town. Can we please lynch confscum JMO so we can actually get something done.

My vote has been on Jmo the whole game, so I'm on your side in this case.

[Xiao Long]

JMO flips scum, Cherry's probably town and Xiao is probably scum.
JMO flips town, Cherry's probably scum/SK and Xiao is probably town.

JMO flips scum
-> Varsoon was bussing JMO. All the more likely that Xiao, who buddied Varsoon, was bussing JMO with him. So Xiao scum.

Seems like it would be an insanely bad play by scum me to do that, but I don't mind being lynched tomorrow if Jmo flips scum, as long as you guys win it afterwards.

[Xiao Long]

Wait, how do I end up being scum if Jmo flips scum? O_o

Xiao, Cherry, neither of you are playing very town. Can we please lynch confscum JMO so we can actually get something done.

My vote has been on Jmo the whole game, so I'm on your side in this case.

Bussing. Remember?

Bussing AND buddying?

Spoiler:

[Xiao Long]

I'm wary of just auto killing the roleblocked person. There are too many other ways for the kill not to have gone through. So, no votes based just on a block or a jail.

Okay, so if we massclaim and there is no doctor, then would you vote Jmo?

Meanwhile, Xiao really has not backed up his assertions for today yet.

Which one?

That's insanely dangerous since Cherry would have to survive the game to win. A vig would be a prime choice for a scum night kill and they'd face exactly the accusation you're leveling.

Then the only other scenario is Cherry is a vig that was dumb enough to force herself to claim.

Massclaim sounds okay, but with all the info already out, I'm not sure how much more we'll learn.

We'll learn who the VT's are so we can kill them. Plus Cherry would be forced to kill VT's in order to keep up her image as a vig.

We are absolutely not lynching Jmo just because of the role block. No no no. Several people like Jmo and Flench promised lists of reads and have not given them. I want to see them. And now that Varsoon is gone, the game won't be cluttered with nonsense and we can actually play and have fun.

No, we're not lynching him because of a role block. We're lynching him because of everything else PLUS the role block.

[Xiao Long]

Gee, I seeiously wonder what kind of motivation a Serial Killer has over claiming vig. The issue here is that if we were an SK, a third party, we'd auto lose when we die. And both town AND scum would want our asses. So why the hell are we SK? And how many fucking times do we have to explain the reason why we claimed. I messed up Sakura's plan and Sakura got pissed at all of you for scum reading us for shit reasons.

Same motivation a Vig would have. Not my fault you tried a stupid plan and you perceived it to backfire. Most people didn't even pay it any mind until you kept bringing it up.

Whats really pissing me off is the fact that you are STILL trying to justify yesterday as a Varsoon mislynch. Its a lot of crap. You deserve rope.

Not sure where you're reading this at.

And what was the scum motivation for Varsoon and jmo to start bussing like that?

To get people like you to think they couldn't possibly be scum bussing on D1, duh. There were other mislynch targets, but when it came clear that Varsoon was likely to be lynched, he started focusing on Jmo so that when Jmo flipped scum, people would think Varsoon was town. Not to mention Varsoon always does crazy, sometimes stupid plays, so it really shouldn't surprise you that he could be bussing on D1.

[Xiao Long]

I spent yesterday (and today) trying to lynch Jmo because he's most obvious scum I've ever seen. It's sort of like if there was a city and it was just covered with shit. Not like metaphorical shit, like actual shit. And the shit was everywhere and it covered the walls and the buildings and the streets and cars. Even the people had shit all over them. After a few years, a stranger comes into town and says, "Why is everything covered in shit?" and the townsfolk say, "What are you talking about?" That's exactly what this situation is. I'm the stranger, and you all are the townsfolk.


I called Titus obvtown for more reasons than that. And I said she tried to prevent what COULD HAVE BEEN a mislynch. Jesus, quit reading only what you want to read.

[Xiao Long]

Looked at, not fucking vig'd. There were so many better targets for a vig. <.<

Look at me, lynch me, I don't give a fuck.

[Xiao Long]

I think you are the SK and we have no vig. "Hey guys, I'm Vigging X tonight. Whoops, I keep hitting town, heehee."

Why would a potential SK try work against town, wouldn't that get them lynched? I don't think we need to worry about a potential SK until we know there is one.

Fun fact: First time I played this set up we had an SK that claimed vig, lol.

Because clearly this is a town that wifoms itself to death.

Exactly, Vig is the perfect claim for an SK, "Oh look, I have the same abilities as this member of town. If I keep "accidentally" hitting town, I can just keep saying Whoopsiee!"

jmo: Was blocked (according to Saki), and probably needs to flip. Personally I'm not convinced of him flipping scum just because of the interaction between jmo and Varsoon. That kind of bussing just seems stupid from a scum perspective. Also iirc Varsoon pushed on jmo from an early stage.

Everything has been stupid this game, I wouldn't rule it out.

Xiao: Really don't like the "Titus was obv-town" which she really wasn't, and also "jmo is obv scum". Do you think there's no possibility of jmo being town, in which case why? Reasons please.

She definitely was obvtown. After this game is over, go reread it a month or two later and you'll see how town she was.

As I said, I think Jmo is 99% likely to be scum. I gave a case that no one read, though.

[Xiao Long]

I don't discount it, but she had no reason to claim in the first place, so I definitely question her claim. I'm also not ruling out the possibility of her actually being scum and pretending to be Vig. "I'm going to "shoot" Titus tonight. Oh, Saki, be sure to roleblock someone that's not me, teehee!"

I can somewhat see her being a fail vig, but I don't think she's on our side.

[Xiao Long]

....you had one vote on you when you claimed.

[Xiao Long]

Also, I'm confused, which head was it that "screwed up" again? I can't keep it straight.

[Xiao Long]

It was DP.

The thing is, I was already paranoid because Titus was persecuting me like she did with Saki, everyone was suspecting me and Pasche was voting me, and I was about to head to sleep and was scared to find out I was lynched as soon as I woke up, so I claimed prematurely.

*sigh*

Regardless, I'm not interested in lynching you today, I'm interested in lynching Jmo. I think we should massclaim so that you can vig a VT.

[Xiao Long]

I'm going to go ahead and give my current reads:

TOWN:
Saki - Crazy, foolish (in a town way) and despite the questionable claim early in the game, I think he's been pretty obvious town.
Pasch - conftown
Tunnel - Probably the most logical entity in the game even if I don't always agree with him.
Bulb (mostly because of Glass) - Glass read as definite town to me, so I'll keep that with Bulb for now.
Flench - I originally had a scum read on him due to his reluctance to work with anyone, but he started seeming a lot more town towards the end of D1.
Oriole - Not as active as I'd like, but I can't really find much negative against him.
Me =D

Null:
Cherry - could really go either way.
Salmonella - Not enough posts to determine. Couldn't really get a read on Stubbs, either.
Dys - Could really go either way. Quite inactive, not very concrete in his thoughts.
Does Bo Know - Doesn't post much except for vote counts and prods.

Scum:
Jmo - For everything already stated.


So basically, order of kills imo should be:
Jmo
Me or Cherry or Dys
Salmonella

[Xiao Long]

The Dys case looks enticing, but I'm still pretty certain Jmo is scum.
If it becomes clear Jmo won't be lynched, I'll probably join you on Dys.

The way I see it: Lynch Jmo, Vig Dys. Or vice versa, I guess.

[Xiao Long]

That's L-2 for Dys unless I miscounted.

[Xiao Long]

Given that Dys only has 10 votes (that should be lynchable in its own right), I don't see him posting much more.
What are you looking for by way of discussion, Tunnel? And why do you (Bauss) think Jmo is town?

[Xiao Long]

I don't think Bulb is scum due to Glass' play, but his vote on D1 when he hadn't caught up is scummy, and he's not exactly been pro-town D2.
I am interested in your case on Oriole, Tunnel, as Oriole has been consistently town to me.

[Xiao Long]

I don't mean in terms of contribution, just in terms of towniness of his posts. They read townier than Bulb and Stubbs did for sure.

[Xiao Long]

I'm not saying Oriole couldn't be scum, but I don't see him being scummier than Dys. Mostly because he's actually been active.

Did he try to prevent it or was he like me and thought the Jmo wagon was better?

[Xiao Long]

How do you figure? If I hadn't completely read up when I entered the game, I'd have voted Flench, which isn't nearly as good of a vote as Jmo.
If voting without reading isn't scummy, it's at the very least terrible and shouldn't be done.

Saki: Eh? Which wagon?

[Xiao Long]

I don't think Bulb is scum due to Glass' play, but his vote on D1 when he hadn't caught up is scummy, and he's not exactly been pro-town D2.
I am interested in your case on Oriole, Tunnel, as Oriole has been consistently town to me.

His vote without catching up was on Varsoon though, and led to his lynch.

Which is great since Varsoon was scum, but if he were town, it would be a lot worse, which is why I still consider it scummy.

I tried to lynch Stubbs, remember? I tunneled pretty hard on him.

Weren't there a couple people that wanted Stubbs lynched, though?

[Xiao Long]

I didn't address it because it's plain wrong. I didn't even defend Varsoon, I was just vastly more sure of Jmo scum.

I didn't say activity was alignment indicative, I said having only 10 posts is lynchable. Yes, I'm aware that's a policy lynch.

It's scummy because you have no idea what all has happened in the game. Do I really need to bring out my Sixth Sense analogy again?

If you didn't think the case against Jmo was compelling, then you're just bad. Sorry.

[Xiao Long]

If you didn't think the case against Jmo was compelling, then you're just bad. Sorry.

xP
Rereading that sounds a lot meaner than intended. It's meant mostly as a joke. Though I do still think my case on Jmo is flawless.

[Xiao Long]

I didn't address it because it's plain wrong. I didn't even defend Varsoon, I was just vastly more sure of Jmo scum.

You were backing up Varsoon's play since you replaced in. You may try to say that you weren't, but the fact of the matter is that you defended him, while simultaneously fencesitting in regards to his alignment.

lol, okay, you're wrong, but okay.

It's scummy because you have no idea what all has happened in the game.

I'm all caught up now, and I know perfectly well what happened. Also, at the time I had all the information I needed to lynch Varsoon-scum and protect the town from his influence.

Congrats

Though I do still think my case on Jmo is flawless.

Then give it to me again, because from what I remember, I wasn't convinced, especially since I have some experience with Jmo-town.

You can literally just go back and reread it as it hasn't changed. He's done scummier things since, but they don't even need to be mentioned because my case on him was solid enough as is.

If you didn't think the case against Jmo was compelling, then you're just bad. Sorry.

xP
Rereading that sounds a lot meaner than intended. It's meant mostly as a joke. Though I do still think my case on Jmo is flawless.

Your reads so far are wrong, you didn't want the Varsoon lynch. Stop acting like you know everything or are even good at this game.

Everyone else, carry on, I am reading constantly even if I can't post much.

My reads aren't wrong so far. Unless my town read on you is wrong.
Hell, I was even 50% right about Varsoon. What do you mean acting like I'm good at this game? I don't need to act.

[Xiao Long]

Also, quit misrepping me, Flench. I said I didn't want the Varsoon lynch D1, I didn't say I didn't want the Varsoon lynch at all. I wanted the Jmo lynch D1 and the Varsoon or Cherry lynch D2.

[Xiao Long]

Again misrepping me, I said either a Cherry or Varsoon lynch. Learn what the word 'or' means.
If you think me so scummy, then vote me. Nothing is stopping you.

[Xiao Long]

Though I do still think my case on Jmo is flawless.

Then give it to me again, because from what I remember, I wasn't convinced, especially since I have some experience with Jmo-town.

You can literally just go back and reread it as it hasn't changed. He's done scummier things since, but they don't even need to be mentioned because my case on him was solid enough as is.

Just humor me and quote it.

1333

I thought you wanted to look into me

No, no, I want to hang you tomorrow. I don't need to look at you for that.

Stop misrepping yourself.

Which came after how many times of me saying we can lynch Varsoon D2?
1584 - "If Varsoon is scum, he's a better lynch for tomorrow or D3. Hell, I'll even hammer Varsoon myself tomorrow if I need to."
1587 - At that time Cherry was top priority for D2, but that was entirely reliant on Jmo being Lynched D1. Cherry is no longer top priority. Regardless, I would have been fine with a Varsoon lynch D2

Meh, there's others, but I don't feel like looking for them, those are just the first two I saw.
You still haven't voted me, or anyone else for that matter, Flench. Why not?

[Xiao Long]

You can still vote, unless you need to write up a case.

[Xiao Long]

I eagerly await.