Open 512: See Nine Plus Plus (Game Ovah)

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:20 pm

In post 1053, Saki wrote:*actually considers Varsoon policy lynch*

There's enough here where a lynch on Varsoon shouldn't just be based on policy. Yeah, it's scummy but this would be the exact problem Pasch was considering when wanting to lynch Varsoon earlier. Everyone says policy lynch and runs with it, giving the town a lot less information.

I don't buy his VT "crumbs" but I'm going to give myself a day or two to reflect on that rather than make a hasty judgment.

I also now see why you won so easily without reading. With the town ccing power roles, who the hell needed scum to do it?

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:21 pm

In post 516, Titus wrote:Now I see why setups on my other site insist on an Order of Operations.

I always considered that Varsoon acting scummy on the surface was his plan to survive the night as a PR. What I'm perceiving from him is wholly inconsistent with Vanilla Townie play.

In post 521, Titus wrote:
In post 519, oriole wrote:I'm sneaking in a quick post here, but I'm busy for another hour or so...

My impression so far is that Saki's claim is real, Varsoon is fake-claiming town because ~reasons~, and while Titus is saying some things I disagree with that doesn't make him scum.

UNVOTE:
My vote on Cherry's a bit outdated.

Oriole, that doesn't make much sense. Why wouldn't Varsoon just withdraw his claim so we wouldn't inadvertently lynch Saki?

Also, in post 861, I said you were refusing to claim VT. I find your claim now Varsoon highly suspect. These posts are part of that foundation.

@oriole, do you still believe your thoughts in 519 are consistent? I found them when looking through my own ISO when we were speculating that Varsoon or Saki might be veteran town. What are the "~reasons~" you had listed?

@JMO, I'm voting Varsoon and I'm pretty damn annoyed. Someone who agrees with my course of action and puts up terrible logic is still helpful for many reasons. So please, just tell us why you feel Varsoon is scum or replace out. Thank you.

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:31 pm

I'm hardly tunnelling you. You made a major move that's worthy of analysis rather than just possibly proceeding down a path I believed prior to your claim.

Also, I was planning to do a day full of behavioral analysis but you caused a bunch of drama in the thread that I felt I had to reply to.

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:38 pm

What elements do you think deserve extra scrutiny?

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:49 pm

JMO, well you're almost at actual content. Please tell me what you think of Stubbs?

Mod: You're doing just fine. I've seen some really bad fuck ups. You haven't done any.

Varsoon, I'm going to be redoing the behavioral analysis again that I was planning to do at the start of the day. Give me two things I should be looking for. Not players, but ideas, nagging feelings. Something that doesn't say look anywhere but here.

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:03 pm

@Paschendale, That's where I'm at. I just can't quite make sense of why Varsoon retracted. I cannot come up with a scenario where Varsoon's behavior makes sense. He also never voted Saki and never played the CCing roleblocker card right. I can't be certain what he is heads or tails by his decisions on who to vote for and why he's voting that way. Voting Varsoon is the best move I see right now but we should let the replacements come in and comment over the next few days.

I'd like to hear what oriole has to say beyond his head implosion initial reactions. Tunnel and Cherry's heads should be interesting as well.

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:19 pm

I really don't like your arrogance here Varsoon. However, it does trouble me that all of our conclusions are pretty similar. Also, Cherry's pushing of your lynch without being on the train himself is troubling.

@Cherry was that last post Dr. Pepper or Sakuna?

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:21 pm

Nevermind missed the signature.

Welcome Bulbazak! Enjoy. Hopefully you can start from the premise that Varsoon is VT and Saki is Town Roleblocker and tell us if that's crazy or not.

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:22 pm

In post 1086, Saki wrote:just remember this
Whatever Varsoon's doing he's just trying to live

I don't find that particularly scummy or particularly town unless he's VT then it's bad town play

He's trying so hard, leave him be.

Saki, your main thing about being the town roleblocker and not voting Varsoon was that you wanted to survive night 1. Why are you calling survival instincts scummy? Are you having two sets of rules, one for PRs and another for VTs?

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:26 pm

In post 1094, Varsoon wrote:Sorry if I sound arrogant, but I've been leading town all day, even if it was through absurd gambits and tricky tricks.
I've collected more info than anyone else here, and most info that others have collected is due to my interactions and agency.

When playing three card monte, it's easiest to have the most information if the players don't know it's a shell game.

Welcome back oriole. We have a new replacement for Glass as well. I cannot make heads or tails of Varsoon. Until I am certain of his alignment, prudence says to keep my vote here but I've been liking Cherry less and less throughout the day.

@Saki, In post 1086, you seemed to FoS Varsoon for wanting to survive.

@Bulbazak, Welcome. It'll be nice to play with you.

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:33 pm

In post 1101, oriole wrote:On Varsoon's play, he seems to keep doing things that further undermine his credibility. I don't see why he wouldn't have stuck to his guns as scum about being a roleblocker, especially when people like me were bitching about not lynching between them.

Lacking credibility is something that wouldn't exactly help the town either. His timing has been horrible and he's been terribly inconsistent. Drawing all that negative attention doesn't really seem to be a pro-town manuever unless Varsoon's playing this as if he was TRYING to get lynched which doesn't make sense.

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:00 pm

In post 1103, Saki wrote:
In post 1099, Titus wrote:
In post 1094, Varsoon wrote:Sorry if I sound arrogant, but I've been leading town all day, even if it was through absurd gambits and tricky tricks.
I've collected more info than anyone else here, and most info that others have collected is due to my interactions and agency.
When playing three card monte, it's easiest to have the most information if the players don't know it's a shell game.

Welcome back oriole. We have a new replacement for Glass as well. I cannot make heads or tails of Varsoon. Until I am certain of his alignment, prudence says to keep my vote here but I've been liking Cherry less and less throughout the day.

@Saki, In post 1086, you seemed to FoS Varsoon for wanting to survive.

@Bulbazak, Welcome. It'll be nice to play with you.
I'm not.
is all i have to say

Then why are you FoSing Varsoon now? Or are you claiming in 1086 you weren't FoSing him?

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:20 pm

@JMO, can you post your read on Saki? I already asked you for a read on someone and you ignored it. This is beginning to look like JMO is pushing this mislynch.

@Tunnel, I answered Dyslexicon's questions in Post 991. Noted your comment as to what I should do with Cherry.

@Varsoon, I'll unvote if you get to L-1. I don't want a scum hammer in case you are indeed town.

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:20 pm

@Xiao, At this point, if we all gained a dollar for every time someone asked JMO to post real content, we'd have enough to fill our gas tank, in England probably.

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:44 pm

VOTE: Unvote

I don't want a hammer yet. If the IC wants to hammer I will.

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:47 pm

There seems to be a conflict here. Almost everyone seems to think JMO is scummy in someway or another. Yet, JMO's behavior doesn't seem like the behavior of lynching a fellow mafia.

@Cherry, who is the author of 1131?

@Varsoon, and Pasch will have it. I am just making sure scum don't fast hammer while we have something to discuss.

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:12 pm

In post 1176, Saki wrote:speculation

although I am a un-cc'd town pr noone seems to be buddying me

Because you act like a newbtown at best and you're not exactly being helpful either.

What's your opinion on Varsoon v JMO?

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:17 pm

@Saki, missing questions is part of the reason people don't trust you. You focused more on the "burn" making things personal.

What are your thoughts on Varsoon and JMO?

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:26 pm

Obviously. I'm asking you what your opinions are regarding them, not whether we should lynch them right now. Do you think they are scummy? Why or Why not?

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:32 pm

I expect you to say what is confusing about him, what you currently view him as and what questions you have.

I'm finding the sort of defense on JMO surprising. What does this chance entail? The group's given JMO numerous chances to contribute.

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:41 pm

@Saki, If you think Varsoon is lying, then why don't you vote him at all? Why are you upset about him "stealing your spotlight"?

@Cherry - Nice of your other head to join us. What do you think of JMO?

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:44 pm

What about JMO reads town?

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:55 pm

I really don't like Cherry's vouching for JMO. I'm beginning to think that Varsoon is a big idiot and that JMO might be a better lynch here. Ugh!

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:00 pm

You didn't outright say JMO was town. You said give him a chance.

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:07 pm

JMO has had plenty of chances to post genuine analysis and thought. He hasn't. Varsoon has got a scummy stuff a mile long. Yet, Varsoon and JMO seem diametrically opposed. JMO's behavior on tunnelling Varsoon would be scummy if Varsoon flipped town. A Varsoon lynch would get us plenty of information in that regard, but there were plenty of people pushing a Varsoon lynch that didn't have the guts to at the end of the day yesterday. JMO is a prime scum suspect of the group. I don't know. There's a cognitive dissonance I am having and I don't like it.

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:21 pm

@Sakura, Does your other head mention why he read JMO as town? Do you agree with your other head?

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:04 pm

@Flench, jmo has been death tunnelling Varsoon for most of the game. That seems wholly inconstitent with them being mafia together. Thoughts?

@Varsoon/Saki, There have been multiple complaints about spam and you start talking about tv shows. Wt*!

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:07 pm

@Flench, while you trolled you missed my serious question.

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:18 pm

In post 1237, Flench wrote:
In post 1221, Titus wrote:@Flench, jmo has been death tunnelling Varsoon for most of the game. That seems wholly inconstitent with them being mafia together. Thoughts?

@Varsoon/Saki, There have been multiple complaints about spam and you start talking about tv shows. Wt*!
Maybe jmo is just bad town?

Maybe Varsoon is just bad town?

Maybe they are both mafia and jmo saw Varsoon as a sinking ship and wanted to get town cred and distance himself from another mafia member, Varsoon wanted to save himself and is crazy and throws jmo under the bus in defense(bad mafia play but he has been fond of those).

Maybe Maybe Maybe, Varsoon should still die.

That's a hell of a lot of maybes from a guy that's confident lynching Varsoon is the way to go.

Titus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:24 pm

If y'all don't shut up about anime, I will smash you with my Gundam Wing. I am off and I will be pissed if this thread devolves.

One last question though

@Flench, is your vote then on Varsoon more punishment for bad behavior or certainty of scum status?

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:36 am

@Sakura - Click the link in jmos sig.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:52 am

@oriole, I agree with you on Cherry but I don't think he's going to get lynched today.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:12 am

In post 1285, oriole wrote:@TV: Somewhat? I mean, it really depends on the game situation.

Is this post in the wrong game? It makes no sense in context.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:21 am

@Oriole, It seems like when Dr. Pepper gets into trouble, Sakura just comes on and said she doesn't agree with the other head. Basically, Sakura has thrown Dr. Pepper under the bus at least twice I think; once for not getting her opinion on who to vote for (gives a stall tactic) and second for calling jmo town (controversial).

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:33 am

That might be important. One of Dr. Pepper's scumtells is labeling people as town when they don't deserve it.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:28 am

In post 1295, Xiao Long wrote:
In post 1294, CherryDrPepper wrote:1. He's been telling the truth this whole time, he's been on Varsoon the whole time.
2. He isn't lurking we are just too active, there were only 2 inactivity times on his ISO (Look at timestamps)
3. His posts DO have content.

-Sakura Hana
1. His vote swapping wasn't my argument, and it's the least-scummy thing people have argued against him.
2. He's actively lurking and posting minimal amount to avoid prods, half his posts are "you guys are fucking idiots"
3. Where?

Like, literally every encounter with Jmo is something like:
"Jmo!
Why don't you post a little content?!
Why did you leave the vote upon the Varsoon?!"
"I WANTED TO!"
"Why did you leave the vote upon the Varsoon?!"
"I WANTED TO!"

This is precisely the problem. Regardless of alignment, jmo rarely seems to post substantive analysis. At the start, jmo seemed to be asking questions but that's stopped now for the most part.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:35 am

I never said who I want to lynch but by now jmo should be able to post reads and reasons. When people ask multiple times for an explanation and jmo dodges, it is hard to think of him as town.

Being busy but no vla sounds like an excuse.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:44 am

Being on v/la generally provides a reason for not posting. It is not autotown but a null read during the time on v/la unless the v/la is abused.

JMO has been asked over and over again to support his Varsoon read and post content. I am not certain if I asked gor his reads of all players.

If you are capable of posting, then you are capable of giving a gut read.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:35 am

In post 1307, Xiao Long wrote:
In post 1300, jmo16mla wrote:And that is almost like it coensides with me being busy doesnt it? *gasps*
"Guys, I'm busy, that means I can't post any content when I find the time to make a post. Geez."

I agree. A gut read on all players doesn't take too long. That requires no ISOing or quoting and can be done via the phone. Almost all my posts this morning have been phone posts.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:18 am

Welcome back Stubbs. I was trying not to add so much and do behavioral analysis on the voting patterns. Then Varsoon revokes his claim.

Can you tell me what you think of Cherry/Oriole?

I do agree that the Saki-Varsoon thing wierded me out that neither voted for the other. It really should have been much more aggressive than that.

I'm also worried the Anime trolling Varsoon and Saki did was specifically aimed so that players would have a harder time catching up.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:52 am

@Rank head, JMO and Varsoon hardly seem to be scum partners on the same team but each seems scummy in their own right.

@Paschendale, I think that's Rank head's reads.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:53 am

In post 1317, oriole wrote:
In post 1315, Paschendale wrote:I... ugh.... 5 pages to read through and nothing really useful contained therein. Faaaantastic.
Well, all this spam and pages after pages seems to have put us as the 5th largest mini day 1 so far, and we're closing in on number 4...

A record in my first open game.. well damn. Not my plan at all.

But when analyzers, trolls, idiots and scum gather in a bar well... we get drunk posting.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:54 am

In post 1314, oriole wrote:
In post 1313, Titus wrote: I'm also worried the Anime trolling Varsoon and Saki did was specifically aimed so that players would have a harder time catching up.
...Seriously? Like, do you actually think this?

Why else would they load the thread down with that garbage? A code perhaps?

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:03 am

In post 1325, TunnelVision wrote:
In post 1322, Titus wrote:@Rank head, JMO and Varsoon hardly seem to be scum partners on the same team but each seems scummy in their own right.

@Paschendale, I think that's Rank head's reads.
Agreed on both comments.

How do we deal with that conflict though? There is no certain serial killer so if we know one flips mafia, the other has a good chance at being town (despite being epically scummy), especially if there is no SK. However, lynching between them might just net us the SK which would be a boon if there are a lot of Power Roles in the town.

@Stubbs, If we keep our vote on who we believe to be the scummiest, we can set up a scenario where the mafia was forced to take a side. Keeping these at L-3/L-2 is very beneficial.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:06 am

In post 1331, TunnelVision wrote:
In post 1329, Titus wrote:In post 1325, TunnelVision wrote:
In post 1322, Titus wrote:
@Rank head, JMO and Varsoon hardly seem to be scum partners on the same team but each seems scummy in their own right.

@Paschendale, I think that's Rank head's reads.

Agreed on both comments.

How do we deal with that conflict though?
I disagree that it is a conflict at all. They are two scumpals pretending each other don't exist.

/Rank

I'm not understanding this. You're saying they're pretending each other don't exist when JMO has been tunnelling Varsoon for most of the game and Varsoon has pushed a JMO lynch?

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:44 am

The jmo wagon interests me as well. Varsoon has been a dickbut I am not 100 percent certain that Varsoon is scum. A Cherry JMO team keeps looking more and more likely.

What about you Oriole? Your vote isn't on either of the major wagons.

These lines will reveal some scum suspects when a lynch occurs.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:47 am

In post 1337, Xiao Long wrote:There's 50% likelihood of a serial killer, right?

Give or take that sounds about right.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:09 am

I think Varsoon tried to do a Titus impression there in his P-EDIT LOL.

I do have to say that I like Varsoon's reaction to Cherry but I wouldn't rule out a Cherry Varsoon JMO scum team yet.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:09 am

In post 1348, Titus wrote:I think Varsoon tried to do a Titus impression there in his P-EDIT LOL.

I do have to say that I like Varsoon's reaction to Cherry but I wouldn't rule out a Cherry Varsoon JMO scum team yet.

Or more accurately Cherry Varsoon, John Doe with JMO as SK scum team.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:14 am

John Doe is another way of saying anonymous man. LOL

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:20 am

Ahh no. Not more of this breadcrumbing crap. *sigh*

@Cherry, who do your heads think of as scum exactly? We also never really got a clear answer on why JMO was town beyond ISOing him. I tend to agree with Xiao on JMO's ISO.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:33 am

@JMO, your theory on Varsoon seems to be a recap and a policy lynch. Also, I really don't like the "i'll read over them"... shouldn't you have opinions formed by now?

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:36 am

In post 1357, CherryDrPepper wrote:Btw, the one's who've driven all the wagons are Varsoon and Titus, my other head was going for TV before I decided to go for Varsoon, and you guys are driving the wagon to JMO and I haven't intervened there at all, and now they are trying to start a wagon against me.

-Sakura Hana

P-Edit: Ah thanks, i'm not aware of american symbolism like that one.

I'm seeing a little bit of an inconsistency here. At the start, you were saying that you had to consult your other head before you wanted to act and now you're voting in direct contradiction to your DP head.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:41 am

In post 1373, CherryDrPepper wrote:Titus: Let me tell you why this isn't a policy lynch.
Why should I believe Varsoon is town playing anti-town and not scum trying to set Saki up for a lynch. If you think the breadcrumbs are enough proof, they could be insurance he left behind in case he was caught.
All the same he could be an actual town VT.

All in all... We dont fricken know! so it's not a policy lynch, and we should be acting on his scummy behavior rather than his supposed breadcrumb.

-Sakura Hana

Why are you answering a question I linked to JMO? I'm aware of my own reasons and lynching Varsoon wouldn't be a policy lynch for me but JMO's a big boy and can answer his own questions.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:45 am

In post 1378, CherryDrPepper wrote:I didn't intend to intercept the question, i thought you were thinking everyone voting Varsoon was going for a policy lynch

-Sakura Hana

That seems like a load of bullshit given the fact I pushed the hardest for a Varsoon lynch before he claimed Vanilla townie.

VOTE: JMO

There are far too many inconsistencies here for my liking. I'll put JMO at L-2.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:53 am

@Xiao, please don't autoplay videos. It might be legal (dunno) but I occasionally take the game with me to work (I am my own boss so yeah I can do whatever I want). My colleagues won't be cool with sound suddenly popping on though.

Cherry is right though. Town meta is important to looking at analysis. His town meta is a little better than his scum meta though.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:55 am

In post 1393, Varsoon wrote:Yeah, a general rule of thumb is to put images/video behind a spoiler= tag.

Also, Titus, that's an animated GIF

I prefer not to be technical unless absolutely required.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:57 am

Just a heads up for everyone given the host is offline.

We have a L-2, L-2 situation. Both Varsoon and JMO are at L-2. Oriole, Glass's Replacement and Saki are not on the major trains. Carry on.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:04 pm

In post 1400, Varsoon wrote:Titus, <3
Sorry for being a total shitlord to you. If we both make it out of this alive, I'll buy you candy.

Anyway, yeah, JMO wagon for all these above reasons!

Don't think you're out of the woods yet. That being said, if we do, I'd love the candy.

@Varsoon/Cherry, can y'all stop mudslinging? It's not helping analyze right now.

@Cherry, It's not a dick move to present an argument in a different manner. It's a dick move if someone misrepresents the meta however.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:12 pm

@Varsoon, I quit drinking Dr. Pepper a few years bad, too addicting and it slowed me down too much.

@Cherry, Saki and Pasch aren't about to quickhammer and the replacement Buz is still reading the thread. A fast hammer doesn't worry me much.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:21 pm

@JMO, That's a gross misrepresentation.

@Saki, Does JMO's content make you change your mind about him at all?

@All, We are solidly in 4th place for the most posts in a mini game. I don't feel a need to break the record.

@Varsoon, Sonic is good. I like the crushed ice. I heard a rumor that it regenerated hair loss caused by trolls. Seriously, trolls are systemically the hardest players for me to read. If you pull that in every game you do, I will want to lynch you in every game.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:38 pm

@Saki, I'm a hard boiled player who tries to keep a poker face in EVERY game. Yeah, you ain't gunna like me. Meta is a poor reason to label someone. Everyone is at least partially aware of their own meta and after awhile players start telling it to you.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:50 pm

In post 1423, Saki wrote:
In post 1419, Titus wrote:@Varsoon, Sonic is good. I like the crushed ice. I heard a rumor that it regenerated hair loss caused by trolls. Seriously, trolls are systemically the hardest players for me to read. If you pull that in every game you do, I will want to lynch you in every game.
you slipped there, titus

No. I did not. However, the group may want you to elaborate on that.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:51 pm

In post 1426, Varsoon wrote:@Titus: I don't play like this in all of my games, promise. <3

@Saki: What's got you skeptical of Cherry and holding onto a town read of Titus?

@Oriole: Fair enough. While more people are active, there's still a lot that aren't here.

@Varsoon, I'm pretty sure I'd flip townie and Saki would still think I was scum.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:34 pm

@All, please really stop with the autoplaying GIFs please.

I'm perfectly fine with waiting. *looks at the big pile of work* Blah....

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:40 pm

Actually, it's sis for future reference.

Thanks for putting that in a spoiler tag.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:55 pm

@All Bulbazak is hosting another game. I'm in that game. So he has to juggle that along with reading this. Plus, I bet some of the fast readers skimmed.

I don't like Cherry as Serial Killer. I'd imagine it would be much easier for Cherry to pass as town because he wouldn't need to protect players like JMO. Cherry would be fine with scum hunting the mafia and it would give him a much easier path of appearing town.

Titus · Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:10 pm

You know your day has too many posts when...

you start developing themes for the day.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:02 am

@Cherry, you have somethings right and somethings incorrect in your post.

I agree you are likely mafia if scum. The sk has no reason to take an unpopular stand, such as defending jmo, one Day 1. The sk is better off blending because anyone but him can be lynched to help his win condition. Your defense is likely mafia defending mafia if jmo flips scum.

Please quote the posts you like and walk us through why those suggest jmo was town.

That being said, the case against you is hardly OMGUS.

I don't see why stating Varsoon can live until tomorrow in 1490 is all that scummy.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:30 am

Post 1126 is not scumhunting at all. It is the same tactic jmo has been using throughout the game. Call Varsoon scummy, summarize the thread, and avoid giving as much content as possible. 1082 exemplies this flaw. JMO is consitently attacking, not asking questions and revealing his conclusions.

JMO is near textbook active lurking, by posting prod dodges and the like. He must be begged for actual content. When JMO complies, it's summary and whoops phone post shortened content. Town players should have no problem articulating why they are tunnelling someone. JMO couldn't even put forth a basic reason why he was voting Varsoon.

Also, in hindsight, your initial readlist may be a scumtell. I am trying to figure out how to show that without breaking the rules though.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:38 am

In post 1545, oriole wrote:Eh. I still like Cherry for SK or town more than scum, for ~reasons~.

I don't like this. Why not elaborate? Please elaborate

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:47 am

No. I didn't avoid analysis. Recap =/= analysis. That is all jmo did in his only post saying why he voted Varsoon. Prod dodging alone isn't a sign of lurking but if people were getting less suspicious of Varson, he'd say hurry up and lynch Varsoon without giving a reason. The one post of recapping took about a week of begging. I can't see why you think anything jmo posts is good but Varsoon's questions are crap.

@Oriole Reasons are relevant. Please elaborate now. I cannot see something more relevant on Day 2 than now.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:07 am

I don't like Varsoon answering for Oriole.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:17 am

@Rank, what do you think of Cherry? Oriole?

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:54 am

In post 1560, oriole wrote:
In post 1558, Titus wrote:@Rank, what do you think of Cherry? Oriole?
He posted a reads list, you know.

I am aware he did. I was wondering if recent events changed his mind on anything.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:21 am

In post 1563, CherryDrPepper wrote:And I just lost a town game because someone lied, and they said they lied and town believed him and he steam rolled over everyone until LyLo and won and im so fricken mad that I decided i should probably Lynch all liars from now on /rant

Yeah i'm quite happy to be voting for Varsoon at this point.

This makes it sound like you are doing a policy lynch on Varsoon rather than because you feel he's scummy. What else beyond the fake roleblock claim do you find scummy, if anything?

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:52 am

I will hammer as well if needed.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:55 am

My suspects for tomorrow

Cherry
JMO
Stubbs
Bulbazak

Flench
Xiao
Oriole (no one's pressured him, I find that odd)
Dys
Saki
Tunnel

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:00 am

The problem is Xiao, we don't have two lynches. I don't want EITHER to get away with what they've done and one must be picked.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:02 am

Stubbs, we should NOT hammer until the replacement comments. Period.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:30 am

In post 1584, Xiao Long wrote:
In post 1579, Titus wrote:The problem is Xiao, we don't have two lynches. I don't want EITHER to get away with what they've done and one must be picked.
I can understand that, and I can respect that, but there's one thing you can't deny: Varsoon has generated a vast amount more content than Jmo. Jmo hasn't even produced content. Has Jmo even questioned anyone? Jmo has sat by the wayside all game and basically called anyone he didn't agree with a dumbass. If Varsoon is scum, he's a better lynch for tomorrow or D3. Hell, I'll even hammer Varsoon myself tomorrow if I need to.

I agree with this for the most part; that's why my vote is on JMO. The problem is that Varsoon may have contributed to the lack of posting by other players.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:34 am

In post 1588, Dyslexicon wrote:I've been catching up in short periods now. Skimmed the last ten pages or so, cause it just makes my head implode. I've never seen such a fleshy D1 ,and honestly there's a lot of irrelevant stuff and repeated points here.
Anyway, going off of memory here, I don't really get why jmo is so scummy. His aggressive stances and non-pleasing manner aren't really scum tells. Haven't looked at the meta that was referred to though, will do that when night comes (if he doesn't get lynched). That he decides not to explain himself are bad, but he's definitely not scummier than Varsoon. Varsoon has been switching his focus and attacked a lot of the people voting for him, seems very much a self survival thing. Also if he really is the scummiest VT ever playing all these "levels", I'd rather a claimed VT go than have more claims outed. Nah, I'm still happiest lynching Varsoon.
Who mentioned the SK first?
@Titus, what is your read on Xiao and why?
@Xiao, you say Varsoon has contributed more stuff, but the stuff is more WIFOM, confusion and fillers than benefit for town.
Also, is your case on jmo mostly built on the meta?

(I'm the same level distracted until Sunday, but from then on I have a lot more time.)

Xiao for right now is very light leaning town. He's posting clear analysis with reasons but that I comprehend but he seems a little to focused on bending the town to his will, saying that a lynch on a scummy player is unacceptable to him because JMO needs to be lynched first. He definitely hasn't done anything scummy but the sense of buddying with Varsoon that Vote Me had never really gone away.

@JMO, A vigilante could cause a third night kill. That would be SK, Maf, Vig.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:37 am

In post 1590, jmo16mla wrote:apparently content=town.

Content does not equal town. Intelligence doesn't equal town. Most everyone doesn't have a town read on Varsoon despite him posting the most content.

It's well reasoned, honest analysis that is accurate that generally makes for a strong town read to me.

@Cherry, having a vig doesn't necessitate an SK.

A roleblocker missing a good chunk of the town (the mafia who targets, the sk and the vig), those three not repeating attack targets and the doctor misses totally. I'd say the chances of three NKs are slim to none.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:39 am

In post 1597, Xiao Long wrote:
In post 1593, Titus wrote:
he seems a little to focused on bending the town to his will, saying that a lynch on a scummy player is unacceptable to him because JMO needs to be lynched first
Mostly because I've learned that I'm usually right with my reads.
And like I said, I have a 99% Scum rating for Jmo and a 50% Scum rating for Varsoon, so obviously I feel the Jmo lynch needs to happen today.

Yeah, I don't like the numbers thing here. Is that more a confidence rating or are you thinking there's some sort of objective pattern.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:40 am

In post 1598, CherryDrPepper wrote:
In post 1596, Titus wrote:@Cherry, having a vig doesn't necessitate an SK.
I realize that now, I didnt realize that back then.

You didn't realize this on the same page... :S When is "back then"?

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:41 am

@Vigilante, if you're out there.. can you please shoot JMO if we don't lynch him? Then that will ensure everyone's fine.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:52 am

Well, we lynch one and shoot the other if we have a vig. I'm sure there would be enough people who might possibly draw the roleblockers anyway.

I see two likely teams at this point. Varsoon/Xiao and Cherry/JMO. There is the option that Xiao is just wrong on his town read of Varsoon however. The read should tell us a lot.

However, if there is an SK, I would be relatively confident in saying it's not Cherry or Xiao right now.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:01 am

In post 1609, CherryDrPepper wrote:
In post 1607, Sakura Hana wrote:Yeah i think it was xiao with post 1337 Still searching backwards just in case.
10 minutes later i realize i posted from the wrong account again, hurray!

So you think there's a vig? are you rolefishing or just hyposhooting.

Not sure who this is directed at. However, if it's directed at me, I'm just hoping any hypothetical vigilante shoots the other guy in this lynch pairing who is also scummy and gives us more information. The post asking the vig to shoot was meant to be observed by the vig but not replied to.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:19 am

In post 1612, CherryDrPepper wrote:Yes it was directed at you Titus.

Hypo-Insertnightabilityhere- means when players hypothetize who they would use their night action on before the night falls in, if they were each PR, so in case scum hits the PR they know who they targeted last night. It's quite a tricky tactic, since it also gives Scum info on who the town will be targetting during the night. It normally goes something like
If town, HypoAction: PlayerA, if Scum, HypoAction: PlayerB.

Not meaning we use it tho, but was wondering if you hinting that, was you hyposhooting

I might hypothetically do anything. If I want to claim, I'll outright claim. If I want to hint right before nightfall, I'll hint.

If I want to suggest that my fellow teammates take an action, I'll suggest it.

@Oriole - Why? Are you thinking Cherry is more likely the SK than mafia?

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:22 am

In post 1616, jmo16mla wrote:Yeah, lets
not
vig me.

Seriously though, whats with everyone drawing conclusions to who's partner is who before anyone flips?

They aren't conclusions but theories based on behavior. Why shouldn't we shoot you? I'd give the town the most information?

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:23 am

*It'd give the town the most information.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:23 am

In post 1618, oriole wrote:Well, it was based off of a certain situation I thought Cherry was trying to set up. It may of just been them misinterpreting the set-up, from what I'm reading on the last page or so.

Cherry's voting pattern and behavior should rule Cherry out as the SK, supposing one exists.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:27 am

In post 1621, oriole wrote:
In post 1620, Titus wrote:
In post 1618, oriole wrote:Well, it was based off of a certain situation I thought Cherry was trying to set up. It may of just been them misinterpreting the set-up, from what I'm reading on the last page or so.

Cherry's voting pattern and behavior should rule Cherry out as the SK, supposing one exists.
Based off of your theory of ideal SK play?

Right. The SK shouldn't be taking massive stances on who is town, especially when they go against the will of the group. That's playing against win-con. The SK just wants someone else lynched. Drawing that much attention to himself doesn't make sense since the SK wouldn't care two shits if JMO lived or died.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:37 am

In post 1624, Xiao Long wrote:But Cherry is basically advertising that he/she is doing the exact opposite of what an SK SHOULD do. What's the point in advertising it now when you're not in danger of being lynched today? Seems like real town would use that as evidence of town if people started piling votes on them. Cherry is likely scum - sk or mafia is what we find with the flip.

Can you try to rephrase this? I'm almost certain that Cherry is Mafia with JMO. Are you stating that Cherry is trying to act not like a serial killer by defending JMO? I'm not seeing the motivation.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:46 am

In post 1627, oriole wrote:
In post 1577, Titus wrote:My suspects for tomorrow

Cherry
JMO
Stubbs
Bulbazak

Flench
Xiao
Oriole (no one's pressured him, I find that odd)
Dys
Saki
Tunnel
Titus, can you explain this? I mean, you've listed everybody as a suspect, right?

Yes until otherwise cleared, everyone is a suspect theoretically. That list is meant to indicate who I think should be lynched. The only reason JMO is second is because there is a good chance the vig will shoot him.

@Cherry, whichever head that said I've hinted at my alignment. I don't like that.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:48 am

@oriole, why did you unvote Varsoon?

@Cherry, that claiming that you hint your alignment seems really off to me. Town shouldn't need to hint at their alignment... role maybe but not alignment.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:49 am

Just realized that. Sorry. My bad.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:52 am

In post 1692, CherryDrPepper wrote:You're right I don't need to hint to my alignment, but you probably already noticed that my purpose is to confuse scum.
Now what do you think, i'm drawing a NK/RB away from a PR, or deflecting them away from me.

What is this? The

Varsoon

defense?

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:57 am

In post 1699, CherryDrPepper wrote:
In post 1695, Titus wrote:
In post 1692, CherryDrPepper wrote:You're right I don't need to hint to my alignment, but you probably already noticed that my purpose is to confuse scum.
Now what do you think, i'm drawing a NK/RB away from a PR, or deflecting them away from me.

What is this? The
Varsoon
defense?
I mentioned that exact same line before, why do you only react to this now?

I'm not sure what you mean by this. However, my gut is telling me that you know that Varsoon will flip town and that you're copying his behaviors to appear town later.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:01 pm

I'm starting to have serious doubts whether lynching Varsoon is a good idea. There's two players with at best suspicious motives pushing the Varsoon train, which starts me thinking that maybe Varsoon is just a big pain in the ass town.

Will not hammer unless Varsoon is the only choice or the deadline will pass.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:11 pm

If all the active players (myself, Saki, oriole, Varsoon, and Xiao) right now got together and voted Cherry, he'd be at L-2. That would get Cherry to play straight possibly.

Saki, I've listed everyone in theory because no one is eliminated (usually) until they flip. My major foses are Cherry/JMO/??? with a possible Varsoon SK.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:26 pm

@Saki - you are getting lazy in your uncontested PR slot. Flench is promising content and has delivered large amounts of content.

@Varsoon - I don't think Saki's ever going to place me as town given how hard I tried to verify his claim. It's probably obvious that I still don't believe Saki 100%, given that roleblocker is the least likely PR role but it's definitely not enough or the time to pursue that at this point.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:32 pm

In post 1742, CherryDrPepper wrote:@Titus: Everything is motivation right? What is the scum motivation behind me drawing attention away for Varsoon towards myself?

When? I cannot answer that until I know what you perceive as drawing attention to yourself. However, I don't perceive your intentions as doing that. Once you felt comfortable on Varsoon, you've done everything you can to put attention on him.

VOTE: CherryDrPepper

I can still go back and put my vote on JMO if need be.

@Saki, that's not a scum claim. If a town is lying, scum can say let's lynch all liars and hide behind it. In an off-site game, I, as confirmed town, lied and said there was another Town PR I knew didn't exist. The idea was to get scum to claim it and town (if they read the crumbs) would lynch the claimer. Very rarely town do indeed lie.

By lazy I meant analytically lazy, and you are not 100% confirmed town, probably closer to 70%.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:37 pm

In post 1753, CherryDrPepper wrote:
In post 1749, Titus wrote:
In post 1742, CherryDrPepper wrote:@Titus: Everything is motivation right? What is the scum motivation behind me drawing attention away for Varsoon towards myself?
Once you felt comfortable on Varsoon, you've done everything you can to put attention on him.
Exactly, i've done everything to put attention on Varsoon what is the scum motivation behind me drawing attention towards me? Wouldn't that be playing against my win con?

Not if you felt Varsoon was a safe lynch target. That attention eliminates you from being the SK, not the mafia.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:38 pm

In post 1754, Saki wrote:
In post 1741, Titus wrote:verify his claim
bullshit you were trying to get me lynched

you were not at all confused about varsoon's cc or his motivation behind it

I can't imagine town sticking out necks for each other like that

you and varsoon are both scum imo

You do realize I lead the train on Varsoon, causing him to withdraw his roleblocker claim. I knew one of you was lying about being a roleblocker. My goal was to figure that out, by whatever means necessary.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:40 pm

In post 1760, CherryDrPepper wrote:And why would i want attention enough to become lynched as SK?

Uhhh.... kinda self evident that you don't want to get lynched as SK. Please rephrase your smartassery. I don't think you're the SK anyway.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:41 pm

In post 1765, Saki wrote:
In post 1762, Titus wrote:
In post 1754, Saki wrote:
In post 1741, Titus wrote:verify his claim
bullshit you were trying to get me lynched

you were not at all confused about varsoon's cc or his motivation behind it

I can't imagine town sticking out necks for each other like that

you and varsoon are both scum imo
You do realize I lead the train on Varsoon, causing him to withdraw his roleblocker claim. I knew one of you was lying about being a roleblocker. My goal was to figure that out, by whatever means necessary.
except that you did entertain the possibility of us both not being rbs

and your lack of questioning me other than 'are you lazy'

That second fragment makes no sense. However, I entertain every possibility until disproven. Although it is practical and wise to go for the biggest targets right now.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:46 pm

In post 1775, Saki wrote:
In post 1773, Titus wrote:it is practical and wise to go for the biggest targets right now
hold up that does not fit with my understanding of you

@Varsoon
I'm not lynching you today unless I have to
I want Titus dead

What does not fit? What is your understanding of me?

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:47 pm

In post 1778, CherryDrPepper wrote:
In post 1774, Varsoon wrote:There's no reason for you to claim now.
Are you really so scummy that you'd claim after this minimal amount of pressure?
Tell that to DP he's the one that said it, my intention was to WIFOM the scum into making decissions between killing me or not.

The best way to do that is to be as town as possible and drop hints as being every PR in the book.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:50 pm

In post 1788, Saki wrote:
In post 1782, Titus wrote:
In post 1775, Saki wrote:
In post 1773, Titus wrote:it is practical and wise to go for the biggest targets right now
hold up that does not fit with my understanding of you

@Varsoon
I'm not lynching you today unless I have to
I want Titus dead
What does not fit? What is your understanding of me?
you said 'you shouldn't worry about making others believe your scumhunting, just scumhunt'
you said 'i do not care about what the town says I'm going after who I think is scum'

now you're saying you're working with the town to go after the safest lynch?

No. I'm saying if you have an inkling about someone (Saki) versus a strong read someone is scum (Cherry) you push the strong read.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:51 pm

In post 1786, CherryDrPepper wrote:
In post 1784, Titus wrote:
In post 1778, CherryDrPepper wrote:
In post 1774, Varsoon wrote:There's no reason for you to claim now.
Are you really so scummy that you'd claim after this minimal amount of pressure?
Tell that to DP he's the one that said it, my intention was to WIFOM the scum into making decissions between killing me or not.
The best way to do that is to be as town as possible and drop hints as being every PR in the book.
How was i supposed that was the way to do it? (Still that would still let scum know im a PR)

Well, if your town, I think you just started taking my advice. You've played more often that me, you should know how to draw a night kill much better than me.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:57 pm

In post 1802, Xiao Long wrote:
In post 1779, Saki wrote:JMO's town

W...wait, did you really just say that?
Oriole is town.
TunnelVision is town.
Pasch is town.
Jmo is not fucking town.

It's shit like that that makes me doubt whether Saki is town or just picked the role least likely to be CCed.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:10 pm

In post 1812, Paschendale wrote:Cherry, Titus, Varsoon, and Saki should POST NOTHING for the next two days.

Yeah that's so not happening.

In post 1811, Saki wrote:I do not think either oriole or TV are town

I'm still working on reading Xiao

duh pasche is town?

I have no reason to believe JMO is not town

Wait you think Oriole is scummier than JMO???

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:12 pm

In post 1823, Saki wrote:
In post 1813, CherryDrPepper wrote:I love how the thread went full on WTF after my WIFOM, well there's risks with everything, and instead of drawing a NK away from me im just drawing attention towards me...

P-Edit: no, that mean i'd get prodded!
and prod dodges are scummy

Prod dodges are scummy, but when JMO does them apparently.

Oriole is scummier than JMO.

It seems like Saki is buddying with JMO here.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:46 pm

@Flench, You are misinterpreting some things that I've said. I'll reply to each concern raised by you in turn.

1) My Unvote - There is no point in allowing scum to have a quick hammer. I unhammered. If we wanted to hammer I then could.

2) JMO and Varsoon are likely not mafia together. I stand by this because I view it as the truth. JMO's actions are not consistent with him being on a mafia team with Varsoon. At no point did I say that anyone shouldn't vote Varsoon because JMO had to be mafia. I just don't see them as mafia together. As you'll notice, many of my posts suggest Varsoon is possibly the SK.

3) I asked Cherry for his evidence on why he was voting Varsoon to see if he had any town motivation for doing so or whether he was pushing a policy lynch. I wasn't asking whether there was any evidence at all.

4) Saying that I'm willing to hammer, if needed does not mean that I'll hammer right then and there. I wanted everyone to comment to see if someone did something scummier or Varsoon convinced me of his being town.

5) I've FoSed Cherry much earlier than the point you said I did. If Varsoon was indeed mafia, then I suspected Xiao just because of Xiao's hard defense of Varsoon.

I'm surprised by this accusation but not really. I'm paranoid that scum view Varsoon as the easy lynch. If Varsoon comes back town or SK, I may consider Flench for the third spot.

@Saki, Oriole has never been on the Titus wagon here as far as I can recall.

3) I didn't go for the easy pickings, I went for the lynch I found the most scummy at the time, JMO.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:57 pm

In post 1837, Saki wrote:
In post 1836, Titus wrote:3) I didn't go for the easy pickings, I went for the lynch I found the most scummy at the time, JMO.
why cherry now?

oriole has FoS'd you after supposedly ISO'ing you

If he has, I totally missed that.

You want Varsoon lynched because you knew that he wasn't the roleblocker? Not when I was highlighting that fact over and over? Y'all are on the lynch when it's easy. I'll be on it when it's right. Right now, I'm thinking the lynch on Varsoon is wrong.

I'd say Cherry now because Cherry's pretty scummy and people were seeing that. I'd rather get active scum over scum like JMO. I have no problems, obviously with lynching JMO. The mod cannot consider my vote in two places though. I do find it funny, for the record, I get heavily attacked after I changed my vote to Cherry.

@Flench, I didn't hurry to say I would hammer. It just happened that I was willing to hammer too and said so.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:02 pm

@Cherry I am highlighting who I think is scum. I'm not rolefishing. Where do you get pressuring likely scum = rolefishing? 1844 is a pretty scummy misrep. I am pretty sure that 1844 is the Dr. Pepper head talking too.

@Saki, It's pretty clear that I've said over and over again that it was apparent you wanted to claim. Hiding behind a shitstorm, really?

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:09 pm

In post 1847, CherryDrPepper wrote:Not a misrep, prove me that you haven't been going after the PRs.

Saki threatens to claim at L-1 > You jump on him to make him claim
Varsoon CC's and you keep ging after Saki, then you go after Varsoon.
Varsoon retracts and you go after JMO.
I mention i'm a PR and you go after me.

1) Like I said, Saki wanted to claim.
2) I knew one of the CCers was lying and it was in the town's best interest to know which one.
3) I voted JMO because he's scummy.
4) I might buy you are a scum PR but I fosed you well before this PR business. Didn't you also claim that you crumbed your alignment or some garbage? Yeah, don't think you claimed PR. You claimed WIFOMING PR.

@Oriole, feel free to.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:13 pm

In post 1852, Saki wrote:
In post 1851, Titus wrote:1) Like I said, Saki wanted to claim.
Do you really want me to link that to you again
when will you shut up about it

You can't argue that I was rolefishing by voting you and then tell me to shut up about my defense.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:17 pm

In post 1856, CherryDrPepper wrote:Then why are you painting a PR as scum hmmm?

Answer: Rolefishing.

No. You're claiming you're a random PR. I've always felt you are scummy. It's not rolefishing to claim someone who claims PR is scummy. If I had started FoSing you AFTER you suggested you were a PR, the scenario might be different. However, I FoSed you well before that point.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:18 pm

@Saki, the context was that I perceived you as wanting to claim so I made it happen. You can bring up the same argument over and over but the answers aren't going to change.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:20 pm

In post 1863, Saki wrote:
In post 1862, Saki wrote:
In post 1860, Titus wrote:@Saki, the context was that I perceived you as wanting to claim so I made it happen. You can bring up the same argument over and over but the answers aren't going to change.
I already told you that I was not saying I wanted to claim.
Stop using it as a defense to justify your actions.

Please.
IF that misrep wasn't enough you're continually misrepping me by using it as a defense over and over again.

It's not a misrep to say I perceived you as wanting to claim so I did what I did.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:24 pm

In post 1868, Saki wrote:
In post 1864, Titus wrote:
In post 1863, Saki wrote:
In post 1862, Saki wrote:
In post 1860, Titus wrote:@Saki, the context was that I perceived you as wanting to claim so I made it happen. You can bring up the same argument over and over but the answers aren't going to change.
I already told you that I was not saying I wanted to claim.
Stop using it as a defense to justify your actions.

Please.
IF that misrep wasn't enough you're continually misrepping me by using it as a defense over and over again.
It's not a misrep to say I perceived you as wanting to claim so I did what I did.
I'm telling you to stop using it as a defense to justify your action.

You're telling me to stop using my beliefs to defend my actions?!?!?

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:57 pm

Holding people's feet to the fire is rarely bad for the town Flench. Also making sure that people are aware of who will hammer prevent scum from hammering and then arguing well no one else would.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:10 pm

In post 1881, Flench wrote:Then why would you say you would hammer directly after Stubbs did?

Then why did you tell Stubbs not to hammer directly after that?

I didn't tell him not to hammer. I told him not to hammer immediately. I wanted to hear from the replacements.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:17 pm

In post 1883, Saki wrote:
In post 1882, Titus wrote:I wanted to hear from the replacements.
why call for a lynch then
why say you want to hammer then

At the time I wanted to hear from the replacements but I thought Varsoon was a good lynch candidate.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:26 pm

@Cherry I have no idea what your posts refer to. The pronouns are not clear.

Yeah, and he'll probably figure out y'all necroed, bad.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:30 pm

I believe so.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:58 pm

In post 1891, oriole wrote:Titus, in 1580 (quoted a few posts up) who is "we"?

Stubbs and I.

@Bauss - It is the same me. I wanted to out the scums by letting them highlight how illogical their arguments were. Sometimes yelling isn't the best approach.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:28 pm

@CherryDrPepper - I have and will always go after scum. Your breadcrumbing claim was pretty ridiculous. I never saw any legit breadcrumb before I was suspicious of you. I have also never felt claiming a PR role meant no one could FoS you.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:13 pm

If I get FoSed in the next two days, or I see utter boneheaded FoSes, like Saki's on Oriole then I will be back.

I would really like Bulbazak to be caught up but I refuse to put up with mafia bullshit.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:28 pm

In post 1922, CherryDrPepper wrote:It's obvious that Varsoon and Titus are now gonna run me up to L-1 to force me to claim, maybe i should claim right now and save everyone 30 more pages of them driving a wagon against me.

Wow. We can do that all by ourselves. A lot of people would have to believe you're scummy, given the fact we have lurkers and you have two mafia buddies it should be immensely difficult to get you to L-1 given that no one understood Varsoon's PR/VT thing. I'm not certain I get it 100% myself I just know that Cherry and JMO are scummier.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:31 pm

In post 1934, CherryDrPepper wrote:"You have two mafia buddies"

If we were scum, you say we have 2 buddies. How certain are you there are 3 scum?

I'm not. I'm certain your mafia, therefore you have two mafia buddies.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:39 pm

I still think there is a chance Saki is scum claiming roleblocker but Saki literally tunnels me in almost every game we are in together. He did it once to the point where he was lying about his rolecard and got modkilled. So yeah, I can't read his tunnel on me.

As for that, no there's a chance of up to 4 scums. However, the behavior of the group makes it almost certain you have two scum allies Cherry. My only question is whether Flench or Saki is your last ally.

TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

Four roles of scum.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:43 pm

I think the scums are as follows

Cherry/JMO/Flench OR Saki

There's an outside chance that Varsoon is the SK but I doubt he is mafia.

Like I said, the group behavior makes me convinced there are three mafia. I've felt that way for quite awhile if you realize that. The only doubts I have had were if an SK is present in the game. It's hardly a slip to believe there are 3 mafia in the game when almost all the setups have three mafia.

TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker

TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather

T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

0 Ts = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather

All those setups have three mafia.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:50 pm

@Saki, My read has always been consistent. You are an Uncced PR who is behaving scummy and illogically as fuck because you think you are confirmed town or you're actually scum. I can't determine which because you tunnel me in every dog gone game.

@All, I'm out of here. I need sleep and Bulbazak needs to not have this hit 2000. If something stupid is posted, I won't correct it. If I'm FoSed, I will respond to coherent arguments when I get back.

Titus · Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:51 pm

*UnCCed PR claimer

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:57 am

In post 2055, oriole wrote:
In post 1932, Titus wrote:
In post 1922, CherryDrPepper wrote:It's obvious that Varsoon and Titus are now gonna run me up to L-1 to force me to claim, maybe i should claim right now and save everyone 30 more pages of them driving a wagon against me.
Wow. We can do that all by ourselves. A lot of people would have to believe you're scummy, given the fact we have lurkers and you have two mafia buddies it should be immensely difficult to get you to L-1 given that no one understood Varsoon's PR/VT thing. I'm not certain I get it 100% myself I just know that Cherry and JMO are scummier.
Ew. What is this? "Nobody understands Varsoon, so the can't see the truth that you're scummy", I mean, that's a poor argument. Especially with the following blindly suggested in the next statement "I'm not 100% sure, but..."

I'll try rephrasing. Varsoon's gambit =/= Cherry's scummy. The post is saying I don't really get what Varsoon was doing but I find Cherry's behavior scummier. He's paranoid about two people getting him to L-1, which we cannot do by ourselves according to his own statement. The whole posts about "I'm a PR don't vote me, seem to be avoidance".

@Cherry, given the total shitstorm when I changed my vote to you, I'd say 3 mafia is a strong likelihood. You're reaching for slips where there are none.

@All, please let's stop posting until Paschendale gets back. I can't let stupid go on but I don't want this thread to be any more of a trainwreck than it already is.

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:58 am

In post 2051, Saki wrote:Ran around doing nothing and looked up some stuff on the wiki
this
"An investigation immune Godfather may wish to play scummier than normal, in the hopes of getting investigated by a Cop; however, this runs the risk of being lynched for playing scummy."

..........?

The idea behind that is to get checked by the Cop. The cop then vouches for the GF, and is free to act as scummy as s/he wants with little fear of being lynched.

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:21 am

In post 2053, Saki wrote:humor isn't going to revoke my scumread
I brought it up since noone mentioned a godfather yet in the thread

despite 2k posts

I've mentioned the Godfather multiple times and even explained the theory you found in the wiki before you even asked the question. Click my ISO and search Godfather.

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:59 am

oriole wrote:
In post 2057, Titus wrote:
@All, please let's stop posting until Paschendale gets back. I can't let stupid go on but I don't want this thread to be any more of a trainwreck than it already is.
Stifling discussion for Pasche is a terrible idea.

I am seriously beginning to question the value of further discussion. Most everyone seems set in who their scum suspects are. The size of the thread is derailing contributions from players. No one seems to be asking questions but looking for slips.

VOTE: JMO

It seems I will not get a majority for Cherry. JMO is as scummy as ever though.

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:30 am

Varsoon is a mistake Rank. I know I pushed that thought heavily earlier on. However, Varsoon's lThe vote on Varsoon is a mistake, however I do understand the general sentiment of getting this day over.

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:34 am

In post 2066, CherryDrPepper wrote:Titus, and who should I look at if Varsoon flips scum.

In the event Varsoon flips mafia, it would be logical to look at me because I'm saying his vote is a mistake. It'd be wrong but understandable. If Varsoon flips sk, Varsoon logically had no allies and there is no associative information gathered. Xiao would also be a decent suspect if Varsoon flipped mafia.

Cherry, who should we look at Varsoon flips town?

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:35 am

*his vote = voting on him... my brain is not firing today.

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:41 am

In post 2069, CherryDrPepper wrote:I was already thinking of looking at xiao, but for other reasons, I still dont know why a town would act the way Varsoon did, so I don't see anything weird with the wagon on him, if anything i'd look at any people that jumped out of his wagon at critical momments because they probably were mafia who already knew he would flip town, and jumped out for town cred.

In other words, no matter what way Varsoon flips, your answer is to look at me and that people would never look at you. You should be a little more intellectually honest here.

If Varsoon flips town, the most logical thing to do is look at the people who pushed hardest for his lynch and acted suspiciously while doing so. That would be JMO and you.

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:51 am

In post 2073, CherryDrPepper wrote:
In post 2072, oriole wrote:If Varsoon is town, the people advocating a lynch one than the other strategy between Saki and Varsoon need to be looked at, because then it's likely they're both town.
Can you clarify this to me? did you mean that we should look at people outside of the ones advocating for a Saki or Varsoon lynch?

That's what it sounds like. I can see where Oriole might be going with that. Those who know that both players were indeed town at the time of the dual cc process should be suspicious. It was likely obvious that either Saki or Varsoon was indeed lying, possibly both, about being a TRB. Those who suggested that we look elsewhere at the time but only changed after Varsoon backed off his claim make sense as suspects, because they are likely working from exclusive information.

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:11 am

In post 2076, oriole wrote:
In post 2073, CherryDrPepper wrote:
In post 2072, oriole wrote:If Varsoon is town, the people advocating a lynch one than the other strategy between Saki and Varsoon need to be looked at, because then it's likely they're both town.
Can you clarify this to me? did you mean that we should look at people outside of the ones advocating for a Saki or Varsoon lynch?
I mean back when we had supposedly two roleblockers, I think people were advocating lynching one of them, and if they flipped town, lynching the other. If Varsoon really is VT and Saki's town, then scum would have known that they were both town. It's a set-up to lynch what was two town roleblockers due to the improbability.

That cc, if Varsoon is actually town is golden for scum. They can "look town" by not wanting to lynch people who they know will be town because they are scum or they can want to push to figure out who is lying and lynch the liar, resulting in a mislynch. Either one is a decent play for scum.

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:21 am

In post 2078, StubbsKVM wrote:
In post 2065, Titus wrote:Varsoon is a mistake Rank. I know I pushed that thought heavily earlier on. However, Varsoon's lThe vote on Varsoon is a mistake, however I do understand the general sentiment of getting this day over.
Titus, what happened between the last time Varsoon was at L-1 and now that makes you not want to hammer?

I have intent to hammer but I need to catch up first...again...

The general behavior of Cherry and JMO. JMO, even when Varsoon looked like the obvious lynch target, still refused to provide content. JMO provides pure rehashing when he did return. For this, Cherry reads him as town. Cherry has read JMO as town from the start to the point of "never voting him unless he does something really scummy" or some such non-sense. There is nothing to warrant a town read on JMO at all. JMO, a player who I am almost certain is scummy, is death tunneling Varsoon and has been for most of the game. JMO doesn't give reads on other players. Cherry also has been drumming up suspicion where none is warranted at all.

Varsoon's play can be interpreted as a gambit. His posts, now that he's playing straight, are actually clear and concise posts with well articulated reasons. I also find it wierd the TIMING of some people jumping on the Varsoon train. Varsoon did his gambit and supposedly got the information he wanted and backed off. It was when Varsoon removed his claim of PR when some felt it was OK to FoS him as if being a PR gave people some magical pass not to be FoSed at all.

When your scumsuspects are voting for another scum suspect for flimsy reasons, it deserves another look at why they are doing that. When your scum suspects start misrepping you for looking into things, it's appropriate to suspect that your original target was indeed town.

@Cherry, no I am not trying to have my cake and eat it too. I did suspect Varsoon previously and brought all the attention to him when there actually was very little. In that sense, you could argue "I told you so". I just know my current defenses are likely to draw heat on me if Varsoon flips scum. There should be nothing suspicious about being intellectually honest Cherry.

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:39 am

In post 2081, Flench wrote:
Vote: Unvote

Not done with JMO yet, he must make the read list with evidence for each person before I can let him slide. Voting him in 1.5 hours.

It would also be nice to let the new new guy catch up.

TV doesn't seem to be interested in JMO at all.

The new guy has actually said he wants to catch up at night. Otherwise, I would agree with waiting on him.

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:44 am

In post 2084, oriole wrote:I would much rather him catch up in the day.

If he's scum, catching up at night means getting help from his scum-buddies.

I would too but the thread had gotten rather long-winded so I can see his point about wanting the extra time to catch up. That's part of the reason I started coming around to Paschendale's thinking of shutting up.

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:45 am

In post 2083, Flench wrote:Do you want to hammer Varsoon?

If this is directed at me, no I do no longer wish to hammer Varsoon unless that would cause the day to end without a lynch at all.

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:15 pm

@Oriole, what am I supposed to make happen?

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:19 pm

Yeah, I'm going to hold back on this. Stubbs posted a lot and y'all reward him with a vote train? I had FoSed Stubbs for sure but I don't see what information we'd get by lynching Stubbs. I'm tired of this day, like he is. I don't really see Stubbs as one of the scummiest players here. Not going there for now.

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:47 pm

In post 2284, oriole wrote:
In post 2280, Titus wrote:Stubbs posted a lot and y'all reward him with a vote train?
Terrible argument. If his posts are scummy (they are), yes.

But his posts today didn't seem especially scummy.

@Flench, I agree with everything but your statement to Xiao. Submitting to a lynch, in order to show it was scum on your lynch can be very helpful. It's very situation dependent.

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:48 pm

Ok I missed the Varsoon part. I don't see Varsoon as grasping at straws. Blah.

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:55 pm

@Tunnel, if you had to lynch someone other than Varsoon, who would it be and why?

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:30 pm

In post 2295, TunnelVision wrote:
In post 2292, Varsoon wrote:Bauss, you're fun to play with,
but please consider the following:
Cherry, Flench, Stubbs, JMO.
Until I have consensus with my other head, these positions are unofficial for our slot, but I tossed a coin and it said:
Town, town, null, town

Varsoon, you're fun to play with but please stop trying to hang ANYBODY else but yourself.

@Titus, I'll answer that question when the real Titus comes back. Where is she? Why isn't she voting for Varsoon? Who are you and how did you get her login/pword?

-1-

I'm me. I just changed my mind. You remember that whole thing about us being paranoid. I read Cherry and JMO as scum and they were pushing the Varsoon lynch hard. That and Varsoon had a colorable explanation for his actions. As the thread went on, Cherry and JMO became scummier and scummier.

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:49 pm

@All, we have had the record for most post for awhile. We can slow down. We need to move this towards some sort of lynch or quit spamming so much. It seems like we have groups that are set on a particular course of action and we have for awhile now.

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:51 pm

In post 2314, Varsoon wrote:@Titus: We're not playing for records.

Then why can't everyone vote Varsoon or JMO, we can then see where the chips fall once one of them flips. If there's a vig, they can shoot the other.

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:56 pm

In post 2316, jmo16mla wrote:why are you in such a rush?

Because I am tired of the day and I feel like we are going in circles over and over again.

@Xiao, He didn't actually daykill me though. There's no role that allows for that.

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:58 pm

In post 2323, jmo16mla wrote:
In post 2319, Flench wrote:
In post 2316, jmo16mla wrote:why are you in such a rush?
Why are you still lurking? Just post a full read list with evidence and tell me thanks for that link and I'll unvote you.
everyone is town.

except varsoon. hes super scum.

Also, thank you. Im on calc 1 for the third time.

In a game with a minimum of three scums, you have only one. You also failed to give evidence. Yeah, it's a simple request JMO.

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:00 pm

In post 2327, Flench wrote:
In post 2323, jmo16mla wrote:
In post 2319, Flench wrote:
In post 2316, jmo16mla wrote:why are you in such a rush?
Why are you still lurking? Just post a full read list
with evidence
and tell me thanks for that link and I'll unvote you.
everyone is town.

except varsoon. hes super scum.

Also, thank you. Im on calc 1 for the third time.
You are 2/3 of the way there, I want to vote Varsoon so please let me.

He's not even 1 third. He doesn't have enough scums and there's no evidence. I'm also not certain what calculus I has to do with anything.

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:02 pm

In post 2331, CherryDrPepper wrote:
In post 2328, Xiao Long wrote:Ah, I can't keep track of all the possible roles in this set up.
I wanted to get more reactions from it, but Titus spoiled the fun too soon. Your reaction was townish tho, so i'm glad you're town.

You used something impossible as a method of gauging reactions? O.o

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:50 pm

I don't know. Maybe we could I dunno, stop posting so god damn much? The players aren't useless.

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:00 pm

In post 2366, Saki wrote:You don't think they're useless, Titus, because you're duping them.

Honestly this town has no value to it at all

I am not duping anyone. I persuade. I tell the truth and let people decide.

The town, after the flip, should have a good idea who we all are. If not, we'll be ready to investigate.

In the rare event Cherry is town, let's let him shoot me. We can move on from this bullshit. If I am not dead, then Cherry lies or was roleblocked. If anyone else claims vig, shoot someone else.

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:02 pm

Xiao, was that sarcasm?

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:04 pm

Saki, saying everyone who disagrees with you should replace out is going to make people dislike the thought of playing with you.

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:09 pm

Saki, I find calling people retards very offensive. You are spamming the thread over and over with lynch Titus and saying you don't want to play with people. You may win the battle but lose the war. Who'd want to replace into this?

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:17 pm

Saki, you might win the battle (drive away people) but lose the war because town needs those players. Antagonism has its place but it should never be personal attacks.

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:21 pm

In post 2385, Saki wrote:
In post 2383, Titus wrote:Saki, you might win the battle (drive away people) but lose the war because town needs those players. Antagonism has its place but it should never be personal attacks.
town doesn't need paschendale. no. never.
and I'm pretty clear by the votes on him they dont need jmo.

They??? Town referred to as they.

VOTE: Saki

Titus · Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:23 pm

That's a pretty big slip Saki. I am off to bed. I will see what ohers think in the morning.

Titus · Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:03 am

VOTE: JMO

Ok, I get no one agreed that was enough to pressure Saki. Getting back on jmo.

@oriole, that was bad for you. You say come up with better arguments than a possible slip and your argument is lynch so we don't need a replacement?

Titus · Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:38 am

@Oriole, why does a lynch option of jmo annoy you? There's repeated promises of wall with evidence that we do not get.

Lynching me is not smart. I will be dead tomorrow most likely.

Titus · Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:46 am

In post 2027, jmo16mla wrote:
In post 2025, Flench wrote:Jmo post a full read list with evidence and stop being a lazy whore or I am changing my vote to you.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p5159677

@Saki, Cherry has claimed Vig. Cherry thinks I'm scum. If Cherry really is vig, he can shoot me to prove it. If Cherry is mafia, I've forced their night kill because the SK won't attack someone who is already being attacked. If Cherry is the SK I have forced his hand as well because no one thinks the mafia will shoot the SK's target. If Cherry is vigilante, then the way is clear for him to shoot me because the mafia/SK have no reason to shoot someone who the vig will shoot. If neither of the three possibles shoot me, Cherry is lying or roleblocked.

@Cherry, if you're vig, prove it and shoot me tonight.

Titus · Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:46 am

That first part is for Oriole. Showing JMO's general reluctance to communicate anything beyond Varsoon is scummy.

Titus · Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:49 am

In post 2470, Varsoon wrote:@Titus: Cherry can either claim he got roleblocker, or just be an SK can kill you during the night. Alternatively, Mafia could just kill you.
Ergo, Cherry's night action--and you dying overnight, don't prove shit.

It's not the action that prove shit, it would be the inaction. I don't think Cherry's a vig, and I'm willing to bet my life on it. My death wouldn't prove anything, my living would. A Cherry vig would most likely shoot me. A Cherry mafia/sk would be forced to kill me to keep up appearances.

Titus · Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:59 am

Saki, I cannot forsee self-votes. Really you have this construct where it's all my fault.

I will hammer Cherry cuz I think he's scum but we could prove it by night actions. I would rather do that.

Titus · Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:06 am

In post 2480, CherryDrPepper wrote:@Saki: Their plan is to lynch town today and disprove me during the night so they can lynch me tomorrow, so I'm dying today so they can all see them from what they really are tomorrow and we give town less mislynches, it's a sacrifice for the town.

This is not a nightless game. The mafia cannot have a plan to like this because there's no way to forsee a PR claiming day 1.

Titus · Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:09 am

In post 2484, oriole wrote:
In post 2474, oriole wrote:See, it's funny, because that's not what I asked you for. I'm asking you to show me where jmo promises a wall like you said he did in 2461

If you don't interpret those posts as promises/attempts to wall with evidence and failing then they are flat out refusal which is scummy. The promise can at least be theoretically fulfilled.

Titus · Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:23 am

Cherry shouldn't shoot me if he thinks I am town. He's capable of taking heat. If he thinks I am scum he can.

Can't post more than that atm. Gotta run to meeting at half past.

Titus · Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:51 am

Let's just see how this night goes. Maybe we'll get lucky and scum kill each other or Cherry is a real vig and shoots JMO.

Titus · Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:59 am

Regardless, I don't expect to live through the night. That's ok. I had you figured out, talked myself out of it, then realized you were town again. Trolls are the hardest to read. I would love to hydra with you at some point. I could learn a lot.

Titus · Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:05 am

In post 2644, Saki wrote:
In post 2641, Titus wrote:Regardless, I don't expect to live through the night. That's ok. I had you figured out, talked myself out of it, then realized you were town again. Trolls are the hardest to read. I would love to hydra with you at some point. I could learn a lot.
who is this directed at, lol.

Varsoon.

Titus · Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:09 am

In post 2653, CherryDrPepper wrote:Titus i would believe that you were town if you didn't persecute all claimed PRs during D1.

A PR xclaim is irrelevant to my analysis Day 1. One of these days, scum will claim a PR on Day 1 and it will be belived. I don't see why a player should out themselves.

Titus · Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:56 am

I cannot believe my luck in this game. I totally caught Varsoon scum, saw jmo scum, let Varsoon scum talk me into voting jmo and getting shot by Cherry.

I am also surprised Dyx bussed Varsoon over jmo.

Titus · Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:27 am

It wouldn't surprise me if the scum pregame plan was to have jmo fail to bus Varsoon legitimizing him and cause us to lynch the real roleblocker when they claimed. Saki claimed first though which put a damper in their plan. I would like to see the mafia qt though.

Titus · Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:33 am

I knew that was coming. DP was using the meta from my first newbie game which I warned him was off. I will bet he's the head that wanted to kill me. This is my usual town game.

Titus · Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:52 am

@Sakura, apparently I am not the only one that Saki always thinks is scum.

/pre-in here as well.

Titus · Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:29 am

This game spoiled me rotten.

Titus · Tue Aug 13, 2013 6:57 am

In post 3166, Paschendale wrote:
In post 3164, DoctorPepper wrote:thanks

if you guys want roughly the same playerlist, I suggest Saki and Varsoon should do their hydra in c9--
I think the universe might explode. How does the site handle it when two people are trying to post on the same account in a frenzy at the same time?

Saki Varsoon hydra name - Overtroll

It would overpost and troll ontop of trolling.