Open 514: Monks and Masons in Serona - GAME OVER

Bert · Post Post #42 (isolation #0) » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:06 am

Vote: Syryana

You seem to draw scum lately, whenever I'm playing with you.

Bert · Post Post #59 (isolation #1) » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:23 pm

Can we lynch Mala for trolling

vote: Malakittens

Bert · Post Post #67 (isolation #2) » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:30 pm

Vote: 50 Shades of Purple

what a syrlaciously delicious lynch target for day 1

Bert · Post Post #78 (isolation #3) » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:54 pm

we can't get out of RVS until we lynch someone first...

what century are you living in, notscience dear?

Bert · Post Post #95 (isolation #4) » Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:52 pm

RVS = ridiculous voting statute (of limitations)

I know who we should lynch - the person with the most purplish avatar

Hint, hint

Bert · Post Post #110 (isolation #5) » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:26 pm

Mollie are you still mad at me

<3

Bert · Post Post #116 (isolation #6) » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:34 pm

wow fine i'm gonna go back to my hole now molliepops

Bert · Post Post #121 (isolation #7) » Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:11 pm

Omg mollie wow I am crying in happiness now

Bert · Post Post #127 (isolation #8) » Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:21 pm

Yup, it's Nachomamma and pirate mollie

Bert · Post Post #128 (isolation #9) » Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:23 pm

Ooooooh huge FOS: Sakura for not knowing who is in that hydra

Should we lynch Sakura, guys?

Wow, not recognizing mollie and nacho are in a hydra is the cardinal scum tell of scumtelling

Bert · Post Post #139 (isolation #10) » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:38 am

In post 138, Nachopappa wrote:There is no God...

Syrlacious draws scum too often

Bert · Post Post #142 (isolation #11) » Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:31 am

In post 141, notscience wrote: Tell me that's not scumpushed.

That's not scumpushed.

Bert · Post Post #165 (isolation #12) » Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:16 am

Vote: Marquis

Bert · Post Post #166 (isolation #13) » Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:17 am

NVM

unvote

I was going to vote him for post #161, since he's telling us what he likes to do, rather than just playing his own game and doing what he does regardless of what people are saying to him during this RVS period.

I see he's at lynch -3 atm though.

Bert · Post Post #203 (isolation #14) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:21 am

Wow, I keep messing up with the alt thing.

Sorry!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHH

Vote: Sakura Hana

Sakura you're one of the claimed scumz

Bert · Post Post #205 (isolation #15) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:25 am

OK notscience.

<3

Bert · Post Post #208 (isolation #16) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:34 am

Vote: Sakura Hana

For falsely assuming that two scums have claimed. That is utterly useless speculation. Quite blatant as well.

Bert · Post Post #209 (isolation #17) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:34 am

Who said it was time to get out of RVS? Sorry I didn't get the memo...

Bert · Post Post #216 (isolation #18) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:44 am

In post 214, notscience wrote:You two have been posting just as much as myself and Sakura yet have made no avid attempts to get out of RVS.

And the rush to get out of RVS is because....

why???

Bert · Post Post #218 (isolation #19) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:45 am

In post 217, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 216, Bert wrote:
In post 214, notscience wrote:You two have been posting just as much as myself and Sakura yet have made no avid attempts to get out of RVS.
And the rush to get out of RVS is because....

why???
Because it's anti-town

Anti-town is unequal to scummy?

Bert · Post Post #224 (isolation #20) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:54 am

OK fine I read that

Let's get out of the RVS

Were you trying to get towncred by showing us that link, Sakura? If so, huge FOS guys

Bert · Post Post #229 (isolation #21) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:04 am

In post 225, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 224, Bert wrote:Were you trying to get towncred by showing us that link, Sakura? If so, huge FOS guys
Are ICs trying to get town cred on newbie games?

Of course. Why wouldn't they if they're scum???

What are you trying to imply here

Bert · Post Post #240 (isolation #22) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:47 am

Who cares if Saki read the article or not

what does that have to do with anything

Bert · Post Post #243 (isolation #23) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:53 am

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

Why are there no doctors or bodyguards or JKs UGH

If I EVA get the chance and think youre likely town, I will protect you like Mutters failed to do in 501!!!

Bert · Post Post #244 (isolation #24) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:54 am

Ull figure it out, and you should tell us who you expect to sheep your reads and for us to be weary of - later in the game, that is, once this day is near its conclusion!!

Hopefully you catch Syry - I havea feeling he might be a lurksack again for several good reasons - *shrug*

Bert · Post Post #246 (isolation #25) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:00 am

I don't care that much about Saki

I don't see what the point is of asking Saki why she/he is not reading the article, when it's clear she/he is going to be stubborn and not read it, which is totally a null tell IMO

And what question did I not answer?? I answered the one about ICs

Bert · Post Post #248 (isolation #26) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:07 am

because pointless questions are distracting when you can be scumhunting, not driving a question that's not going to get any answer other than "AINT READING IT, SORRY LOVE"

What other reaction do you reasonably expect?? Her/his stance is clear..

Bert · Post Post #252 (isolation #27) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:11 am

the point of the article, or you giving us it, was to stress the importance of getting OUT of RVS ASAP.

Now, why are you so sensitive about what I think of you asking Saki's questions? Keep doing what you're doing, no reason to delay

Bert · Post Post #254 (isolation #28) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:12 am

In post 225, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 224, Bert wrote:Were you trying to get towncred by showing us that link, Sakura? If so, huge FOS guys
Are ICs trying to get town cred on newbie games?

In post 226, notscience wrote:I don't get the vibe that she used it for towncred

You asked why we should get out of RVS, she answered.

She answered my question WITH a question. Why would town do that?

How does that give you townvibes?

Bert · Post Post #256 (isolation #29) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:16 am

I think it was stupid, but I give Nacho a pass since he missed the RVS stage as Mollie posted for him. The reasoning is totally RVS-based, but whateva

Their hydra dissonance of "I'm gonna text Nacho. My partner is retarded, etc." is noted though and not very town-vibey

Bert · Post Post #261 (isolation #30) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:20 am

In post 258, Sakura Hana wrote:Why is hydra dissonance a scumtell?

Not a scumtell per se, but I don't know why Mollie is totally scrambling to cover for Nacho like that... and also in those two posts of dissonancing (new word ha) Mollie does not bring anything new to the table.

Therefore, not very town-vibey. Plus, they are hydra partners and also should be able to talk about it amongst themselves, not have to announce to the world that OH IM GONNA TEXT HIM, THAT POST IS STUPID.

Bert · Post Post #272 (isolation #31) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:00 am

In post 271, notscience wrote:
In post 243, Bert wrote:NOOOOOOOOOOOO

Why are there no doctors or bodyguards or JKs UGH

If I EVA get the chance and think youre likely town, I will protect you like Mutters failed to do in 501!!!
Buddying noted.

distancing from us two noted

I buddy Nacho, live with it

Bert · Post Post #275 (isolation #32) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:03 am

In post 273, notscience wrote:How is that distancing rofl

I fully intend to get the scum (you) lynched.

and what is your case on me, again?

oh wait, there isn't much of one

Bert · Post Post #278 (isolation #33) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:07 am

In post 276, notscience wrote:Congratz, I don't have a case in the sea of RVS that you helped create. Giving you perfect buddying opportunities, being able to vote teammates so it can't be noted "oh he didn't vote x so x must be scum"

You're scum. You need rope.

Keep flailing. I'm not the only one responsible for a sea of RVS. Why aren't you calling out anyone else for creating RVS WIFOM.

Bert · Post Post #283 (isolation #34) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:16 am

In post 281, 50 Shades of Purple wrote:
In post 280, Malakittens wrote:Shut up both of you.

I agree with Honey Bee (sorta). I want to see more posts from her if making a solid read on her.
or you could vote her now so the sheep know that it's safe to hop on.
i like posts best when people are close to death.

What a beautiful post <3

In post 280, Malakittens wrote:Shut up both of you.

I agree with Honey Bee (sorta). I want to see more posts from her if making a solid read on her.

Why are you tunneling Honey Bee and not remarking enough on others?? There are umm.. 11 other players excluding Honey Bee and you.

Bert · Post Post #291 (isolation #35) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:05 am

In post 290, NoctanNights wrote:UNVOTE: Marquis

Bert being scum is possiblez but there isn't much evidence against him.

What are your current reads?

Bert · Post Post #521 (isolation #36) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:03 pm

In post 484, NoctanNights wrote:UNVOTE:

VOTE: Noctan

Might as well. I look forward to seeing reactions to my role when I'm lynched.
Also, I've been playing crappy anyway. Has to happen some time.

No self-defeatist attitude please. Save that for me since I might do too much of that.

Bert · Post Post #525 (isolation #37) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:04 pm

In post 502, Saki wrote:
In post 501, Saki wrote:
In post 500, notscience wrote:Pressuring=opportunism?

Lmfao. There was one fucking vote on you, and mine was opportunism.
I don't get why a townie would jump into a one on one with a vote.
I townread 50 for stopping it.
I scumread you for aggravating it.

So what is the summary of your point totals? Do you see this as an effective scumhunting tool?

Bert · Post Post #527 (isolation #38) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:05 pm

In post 524, 50 Shades of Purple wrote:Bert what's your read on the self-defeatist attitude?

Town. BUT, I do not know how deceptive this player is.

Bert · Post Post #530 (isolation #39) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:10 pm

Why did you townread 50...what does that mean?

Bert · Post Post #540 (isolation #40) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:29 pm

you're being pretty defensive, Saki. I want to say newbtown, but you're not new? But the defensiveness seems to be a little overboard, so are you trying to rile people up and get reactions, or what? Or are you using that to cover up your calm, calculated part of you.

Do you panic when you get put at lynch -1?

Bert · Post Post #557 (isolation #41) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:04 pm

In post 552, NoctanNights wrote:....I hate this tablet. The Internet died and I lost everything I wrote.

Anyway, the only person who I'm more suspicious of is Saki, really. He seems to be extremely defensive, and offensive to those who vote him, he tunnled Sakura like a freaking miner, etc. As for others, Mala and 50 get a townread from me, but as for anyone else I'm not sure.

Poor thing. In cybershock

Please get your post ASAP so we can devour it and proceed to accuse you of some scumtelling

Bert · Post Post #558 (isolation #42) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:04 pm

In post 551, Saki wrote:
In post 547, Sakura Hana wrote:So you appear as soon as I mention you Marquis.
Noted.
you aren't phased by the fact that my scumread on you has not disappeared yet?

Do you think Sakura's scumread is backed by a strong argument/case?

Bert · Post Post #671 (isolation #43) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:58 am

Really miserable because I have a crush that's stuck between hopeless and hopeful all year and I'll try to find out tomorrow.

Gonna re-read once I'm out of this tunnel. <3

Sakura, my reads are all null because I'm not caught up yet.

Also, the votecount has Noctan at 6 votes when he/she is at 5.

Fixed, thanks! - f

Bert · Post Post #715 (isolation #44) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:50 am

Wow so Noctan has a read on GM after like two posts.

Noctan's probably town - I *think* he/she is a VI. Not going to be able to generate reads until I finish catching up tomorrow night

Bert · Post Post #722 (isolation #45) » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:58 am

NS it's only 5:57 PM - it's tomorrow morning so, too nervous to do anything but read a few pages at a time here.

Sakura why so staunchly with your stance about how getting lynched gives town info

Bert · Post Post #867 (isolation #46) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:50 am

Rach has been doing that sitewide though, generally inactive

I doubt she has even read 10 pages of this game tbh

Bert · Post Post #901 (isolation #47) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:01 pm

NS is pretty town in his fluffing.

That's all my skim from the last few pages turned u

Nacho is soooo town

Bert · Post Post #923 (isolation #48) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:51 pm

Yeah, Syryana's iso is pretty bland. All null IMO.

Bert · Post Post #926 (isolation #49) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:55 pm

this is a pretty cool game. im gonna go read some iso's now.

I like Marquis so far, he doesn't seem calm/calculated like he was in this game I finished with him a while back.

Also, I don't like Honey Bee's iso. Going on a walk now, be right back. I bet someone's going to ask me to explain why. Hhahahaha crap.

Bert · Post Post #934 (isolation #50) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:03 pm

In post 715, Bert wrote:Wow so Noctan has a read on GM after like two posts.

Noctan's probably town - I *think* he/she is a VI. Not going to be able to generate reads until I finish catching up tomorrow night

Never mind, not as VI as I thought, after reading his/her entire iso.

yeah I don't like Noctan's iso

Bert · Post Post #936 (isolation #51) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:07 pm

doopdedoooo

Vote: NoctanNights

And yes this makes 5 votes total, don't go AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Say YESSS THANK YOU BERT FOR VOTING NOCTAN

Bert · Post Post #974 (isolation #52) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:50 pm

noc you are being overly emotional about getting lynched, stop panicking like that please. it comes off as forced

that gambit by Marquis to say "claim I hammered" is anti-town and so blatant i read it as leaning town (what an oxymoron)

Bert · Post Post #977 (isolation #53) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:52 pm

In post 975, Saki wrote:
In post 974, Bert wrote:noc you are being overly emotional about getting lynched, stop panicking like that please. it comes off as forced

that gambit by Marquis to say "claim I hammered" is anti-town and so blatant i read it as leaning town (what an oxymoron)
too scum to be scum
wat.

cuz it's so obviously scummy that I don't expect Marquis to do something like that

he isn't showing somewhat of a reckless abandon.

whereas in a lylo situation in this other game I watched, it wasnt like this

Bert · Post Post #978 (isolation #54) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:53 pm

In post 976, Marquis wrote:why are you so desperate to read me as town

and why are you so desperate to read me as scum

conflicting emotions they hurt

how are we desperate

Bert · Post Post #989 (isolation #55) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:01 pm

Hmm I forgot GM is in this game

Noc's claim reads "bored, I'm tired of all this commotion, I really dont want to die since I'm scum, let's see if this forced AtE works"

And Sakura I've played with Marquis before that's why

Noc seems more calculated in his earlier posts, and suddenly the AtE is kinda forced

Bert · Post Post #991 (isolation #56) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:01 pm

wait sakura how did you clear saki? did i miss something here

Bert · Post Post #996 (isolation #57) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:05 pm

In post 992, NoctanNights wrote:Well. This game is going nowhere. I hope Marquis is lynched

@Mod Replace me out please.

I have to drive all the way from Cali to Massachusetts tomorrow. Everyone would accuse me of lurking, and I'm the fucking worst player of this game anyway.

don't if you're just gonna be gone one day. go V/LA

dont'be so self-defeatist.

I've done what you do many times. pelase reconsider

plus if youre town be as town as u can, lynch gives info anyway

Bert · Post Post #998 (isolation #58) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:10 pm

no, the deadline is 8/10

it is not pointless

so no

Bert · Post Post #1000 (isolation #59) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:11 pm

4 to 5 days isn't that long in the grand scheme of things. prolong the day, until u get back, simple as that.

and wow Saki I missed that. I need to skim again.

Bert · Post Post #1010 (isolation #60) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:47 pm

just read the ISO's and skim if you don't have that much time

And also decide whether or not to sheep Sakura

Bert · Post Post #1016 (isolation #61) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:57 pm

Sakura's null-town.

Nachomollie's pretty obvtown

Bert · Post Post #1017 (isolation #62) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:57 pm

was gonna let u decide on Sakura since only game I've watched her is in 501 and that was as an outside observer

Bert · Post Post #1057 (isolation #63) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:05 pm

In post 1025, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1022, Wisdom wrote:So I assume you think Bert is scum with Marquis?
Probably, right now the one scum read beating the strongest is Marquis'

Bert could just be anything since it's the first time i see him playing seriously.

I'm not playing as seriously here as I can. The rest of my games I can't talk about, but yeah in some games lately I have been playing seriously.

Bert · Post Post #1059 (isolation #64) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:07 pm

EBWOP: Mainly because it's fast-paced and I'm able to make comments but that's about it for the time being. It's a lot harder to explain reads and form serious posts when there is so much stuff spread out.

NS, yes you were very pissed off. The pissed off was sorta a town vibe though now that I'm looking at ur iso.

Bert · Post Post #1061 (isolation #65) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:09 pm

Hmm Wisdom seems pretty town so far

Maybe I should vote him then?

Bert · Post Post #1076 (isolation #66) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:28 pm

Mala why are you concerned about Marathons being part of meta

Bert · Post Post #1135 (isolation #67) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:21 am

Just woke up and read the past two pages. Wisdom's 1100 with reads are pretty good, but I'm weary because Wisdom looks town so far. *shrug* Yeah, don't like Sakura on page 45.

Noctan's replace-out is kinda fed-up town actually.

Uhh, Sakura, how is making a case on you "painting you as scum," and if so, how is that scummy?

It irks me that you are so paranoid about Wisdom's "trap." I don't see what's the big deal

Bert · Post Post #1141 (isolation #68) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:29 am

Turns out I was led on and lied to all school year, the person said "I want a long-term relationship, I'd like to meet your parents, go on trips, live together" all that sweet stuff, and then turns out it was just a lie and I got an apology....so all the cuddling/hugging was just the person saying "I have no willpower, everything was a mistake"

Person just wanted sex on the side along with being friends, after all, and actually hooks up with people all the time I found out... :/

Doesn't work for me, so I left

Bert · Post Post #1143 (isolation #69) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:31 am

Hmm...

Vote: Honey Bee

Bert · Post Post #1147 (isolation #70) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:35 am

If/when people start calling Wisdom out as scummy, the more comfortable I will get with having Wisdom as a townread.

<3

Bert · Post Post #1156 (isolation #71) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:47 am

Wisdom, your reads are pretty spot-on. I hate giving my reads because then I get asked "why" and then I can get murdered for having shit gut feelings and no "valid" reasons.

IF I were to say Mala is scummy, I'd get asked why, and I'd get reprimanded lol cuz it's just gut

And yeah Marquis is pretty obvtown, and I already got asked why, and I answered - it's because I've played with this player before as scum

Bert · Post Post #1157 (isolation #72) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:48 am

In post 1150, goodmorning wrote: I would disagree. I'll go back and read later if you like.

GUYS LET ME POST I HAVE TO DO SHIT TODAY

Post now and stop whining.

Bert · Post Post #1163 (isolation #73) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:00 am

GM why are you acting so excited and peppy at this stage of the game?

Bert · Post Post #1168 (isolation #74) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:10 am

In post 1167, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1165, Wisdom wrote:Yeah sure, that's your motive.

Right, wisdom is here, and he'll do everything in his power to get me mislynched.

Why the ad hominem? Makes you look bad when you go all "WISDOM IS OUT TO GET ME GUYS, HE JUST HAS IT OUT FOR ME"

Bert · Post Post #1171 (isolation #75) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:13 am

Bert · Post Post #1174 (isolation #76) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:17 am

YEAH SYRY ALREADY LEFT
THIS SUCKS

Bert · Post Post #1175 (isolation #77) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:17 am

HELL IF U LEAVE THEN WHY DONT WE ALL JUST LEAVE THEN HUH

Bert · Post Post #1181 (isolation #78) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:23 am

HALLELUJAH

Bert · Post Post #1185 (isolation #79) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:25 am

good, now people are saying Wisdom is being stupid or being anti-town with the tunneling

makes me feel more comfortable that Wisdom is town

ur replaceout is sorta town

syry's null

noctan sort of town

aww ffery <3<3<3<3

Bert · Post Post #1192 (isolation #80) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:03 am

In post 1191, Wisdom wrote:She could just cancel the replace out and go "no one person wont make me replace out" or something even if you didn't beg her.

I could lynch HB too but I prefer Mala.

Why are you posturing?

Oh I could lynch X, but I prefer someone else, in other words "my vote's not going anywhere."

Bert · Post Post #1196 (isolation #81) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:08 am

Kay then. Mala can die too.

What clever way, NS, and whatcha talkin about

Bert · Post Post #1202 (isolation #82) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:13 am

@NS: OHHHHHHH nah, I'm getting over the person NS. person's just looking for hookups lol, but the person deceives for ego-boosting and for hook-ups...so i never put out, and now the person's gone.

poor thing will sleep with anyone due to lack of willpower

and yeah lynching Sakura day 1 probably isn't a good idea, there are much more scummier people imo

Bert · Post Post #1210 (isolation #83) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:38 am

yeah......

hmm... that's interesting, never seen anyone quit as scum before, bah. hmmmmmmmmmmm

NS why are you only reading every third word he says

Bert · Post Post #1214 (isolation #84) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:43 am

Meh I sense that GM wants to diminish Nacho's credibility by counterattacking him. Nacho and mollie are taking control of the game, got a problem with that?

Nice excuse of "I can generally tell when he's town, and he's not giving me this vibe here" Nice going

Bert · Post Post #1219 (isolation #85) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:49 am

Lol I like Sakura, Wisdom, Saki, and Noctan's playstyle, same with NS

Love them all

even Marquis

this is a great game to be in

I don't feel so scummy when I'm with so many scummy people

I love yall

Bert · Post Post #1225 (isolation #86) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:53 am

yeah Nacho is super obvtown, so will die N1 :C which I'm used to so I will cope with that

no GM I don't have a problem with that - but it's incredibly clear Nacho is really obvtown, and I usually hate being around when he makes me think he is possible scum cuz then i get super paranoid. sometimes the paranoia is not right since Nacho is actually town, but yeah so far i think nacho is pretty obvtown..

but the only thing is there are two scum factions... so technically u could be right... but either way hes even more likely to die given tht there are two mafia factions and if hes mafia the only one he isnt in is likely to kill him

so either way Nacho is a good bet to die tonight, so what exactly r u trying to do by discrediting him

Bert · Post Post #1227 (isolation #87) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:01 am

yeah Wisdom stop being a rebel

vote Honey Bee with us, what are you stalling for huh, huh, huh

your Mala wagon is going nowhere for now

Bert · Post Post #1230 (isolation #88) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:02 am

THANK YOU GM

And please do share what you have meta'd about Sakura, to make sure you are putting your money where your mouth is.

@Wisdom: Kay then.

Bert · Post Post #1232 (isolation #89) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:04 am

Did you say the same about NN or Marquis's wagons?

It's only 4 votes:

Nacho, me, Sakura, and GM. What's not to like

Bert · Post Post #1236 (isolation #90) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:08 am

Kay. Will go look at past VC's then to see who were on those wagons

Bert · Post Post #1241 (isolation #91) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:10 am

Vote: Mala

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH

Bert · Post Post #1244 (isolation #92) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:12 am

let's watch Mala flail

don't give us this "my activity is low" stuff please in your next post

Bert · Post Post #1247 (isolation #93) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:14 am

she has been here quite often, so no it's not based on activity or fluff.

just don't like her so far

but that's gut. and since Wisdom's reads are ones that I like, I am happy to sheep him right now

BUT I don't like HB either. Still, let's watch Mala flail for now

Bert · Post Post #1248 (isolation #94) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:14 am

Nacho are you confident in reading Mala so far this game?

Bert · Post Post #1252 (isolation #95) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:17 am

In post 1233, Malakittens wrote: UNVOTE: GM

She's been posting a bit more so I'm starting to think my initial scum read on her is wrong.

anyone think this is a stupid reason to stop voting GM, because "she's been posting a bit more"

GM/Mala maybe?

Bert · Post Post #1256 (isolation #96) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:19 am

In post 1251, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1246, Wisdom wrote:Sakura, is Mala town? Why?
I don't know... but i remember her activity being low too on matrix6 and she was town there (even tho everyone's activity was low to begin with), she only got active during LyLo.

Which is why i'm asking why do you think of her as scum because of that.

@50: Most fun fact, he still hasn't shown ANY counter-evidence to my meta.

Mala in a hydra was pretty low activity in a game that doesn't really count (Popcorn), and she only came back when being attacked. Awfully convenient, I'd say. and that was in a high-activity game. her excuse was like "i hydra because my activity's usually low etc. etc."

for what it's worth...

and mala i dont self hammer anymore so live with it

but we cant talk about ongoing games so i cant tell you how ive been playing

and no youre not actually doing something by saying "i'm getting townreads"

Bert · Post Post #1259 (isolation #97) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:21 am

the fact that you are using the game wehre I self-hammered which ws a long time ago, when I have been in a couple of games involving you since, is actually kinda troubling.

that's really bad logic and conclusive evidence

methinks you're scum.. don't like that reply at all

wespecially your reason to "say I'm plying differently" when you KNOW my style has changed DRAMATICALLY, again and again (for better or worse) since I first joined the site

Bert · Post Post #1261 (isolation #98) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:22 am

Why are you dismissing popcorn. Why are you not thinking (in your head, not in words) about the games we can't talk about. How can that be a logical attack on me? How can you solely rely on ONE game of my earliest games as evidence that says my style is different, yet you have no read on me.

In Popcorn, you TOLD ME that my style is different from my game where I self-hammered in 497...that I Was DOING TOWN THINGS, ASKING QUESTIONS, giving feedback, etc. etc.

have you forgotten all of that, huh?

I think Mala should go

Bert · Post Post #1263 (isolation #99) » Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:24 am

YES it is true. You know it.

You're moderating a game I'm in but we can't talk about that. You're ALSO in 507 with me, which we can't talk about.

So a couple IS true.

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:25 am

@Mala: Barely around doesn't mean squat. You were there, you clearly read the game at the end, and you told me what you thought of everyone. You read through it, which is key to having a meta-read on people, is it not?

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:26 am

OK sorry. I won't say anything else. Just irked that she's saying we haven't been in a couple of games, when it's true. That's all.

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:30 am

Kay then. I understand.

Still, you gave no read on me - you skated away from it. And your excuse is really stupid when I was barely there in 497 and self-hammered before day 1 was even remotely underway.

the fact that you use that is just shockingly scummy

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:47 am

There probably is one in it.

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:53 am

In post 1278, 50 Shades of Purple wrote:jesus fucking christ gm should be powerlynched like a mofo

so gm you say you are scumreading nacho? meaning you can tell us apart?

Mollie and Nacho are so town, lol

I'd like to powerlynch GM too, btw.

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:54 am

anyone who says otherwise about Mollie/Nacho makes me really suspicious

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:45 am

In post 1343, Saki wrote:
In post 1339, Malakittens wrote:
In post 1336, Saki wrote:you still never got back to 779 mala there was a rather important question in there
I already fucken read it. There's no question directed at me to answer.
masonslip.

why do you say that and not monk or scumbuddy or something else, huh?

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:46 am

Vote: Goodmorning

Actually, Mollie's right about GM.

I'm fine with GM or Mala.

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:48 am

if one player is a town monk, how likely is it that the other monk is scum?

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:48 am

is this like neighbors, where chacnes are if there are multiple neighbors, there are chances one is scum?

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:50 am

Saki you don't make sense

who do you think are scum? what's your point of saying all three of those people sound like ns...???

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:51 am

Saki, There are meta-boys and meta-girls in most games, and quite a few of us are. So behavior can be observed using the past behavior as a useful predictor of the present for analyzing.

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:54 am

EBWOP: That's why what necessarily applies to someone like Marquis or NS as a scumtell may not apply to you because they have a meta already that others are familiar with already.

There was a point earlier where it felt like GM and Mala were distancing.

50, what do you mean "a little less than random"?

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:55 am

Is it ever useful for masons or monks to claim?

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:57 am

OK, so it's not guaranteed that one out of the four monks and masons is scum. Gotcha, thanks

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:02 am

Think it's Sakura Mollie and I

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:05 am

Meh,

Vote: Malakittens

It's true Mala is worse. Bah. Mollie's reads are good too though. Dangit. Honestly, I'm confident in my townread of both of you. BAHHHHHHHHHH

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:05 am

I'm willing to sheep you two honestly, until my mind changes or otherwise

but I honestly don't like Mala or GM as I've suggested, so I wasw kinda happy Mollie decided to vote GM. I was like yay I can hop on then, I have faith in this wagon then, maybe there's enough

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:09 am

Lol Saki

have you played with NS before?

honestly this is about as consistent to his townplay I remember, as I've ever seen

like so townie it can't be faked TBH

but if you revert to traditional "scummy" stuff he'll always ping your scumdar

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:22 am

In post 1397, Nachopappa wrote:AND also Nacho's showing us his archives of how GM has not been able to "tell or read" Nacho's alignment like she has claimed she has

and THANK YOU Sakura, YES, Meta is the main reason for NS's townread

In post 1395, Nachopappa wrote:OH RIGHT

WISDOM I REMEMBER WHY I THOUGHT GM WAS SCUM

that crap about "Nacho doesnt look town"

HOW in her right mind with all her experience with Nacho can she NOT tell that Nacho is town

only possible reason is to discredit Nacho

like seriously, WOW

Vote: GoodMorning

Now I remember....

yeah, worse than Mala... Mala's remark on me pinged my scumdar but this is worse IMO way way worse

That's me. Darn it what am I thinking...

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:23 am

Dang it I have done this five times.

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:24 am

Uhh... Saki is pretty obvtown.. that's cool.

but the stubbornness about NS annoys me, that's all. I'll get used to that

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:26 am

I'm in one game on here, and two on Nacho. I keep getting them mixed up.

I thought I was in this game as Nacho for a brief moment lol.

In post 1271, Wisdom wrote:{Wisdom, 50, notscience, Bert, Saki, goodmorning}
What needs to happen is everyone in this block get a firm townread on everyone else in this block.
There are no scum in there.

(And I'd add Marquis too in there but I won't just yet)

I think you're right on everyone except GM. Why is GM town to you again?

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:31 am

just focus on more people instead of just one then people wont say youre deathtunnelling

i didnt know the term death-tunnel until this game today

it can rile up scum just as much as town

it does get reactions

ive had it done to me as town and it forced me to have to keep my emotions in check

i have done it to people before

so it is effective, but it depends on the pace i think

its not my cup of tea

Vote: Goodmorning

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:33 am

I am. I keep being a bonehead and posting on the wrong acc by accident.

I'm not saying it was death-tunneling. You were tunneling because we've already explained many times that it's his town-meta to play like this, and I believe it's hard to fake once you look at the pace of this game and how smooth his posts have been.

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:34 am

Yes, it is being stubborn. I can deal with that, which is what I was saying.

Also what bothers me right now is Scott has made two posts saying he'll catch up, and one real post which was wayy back. MeowMix looks like he/she might get replaced soon, which is too bad. Hopefully they're town

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:38 am

OK, I'm not gonna get into semantics right now. My conclusive comment is I think it's a persistent, overbearing focus on one player (disproportionate to other players)...where there are not other players that are emphasized enough to warrant the disproportionate emphasis on one player.

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:40 am

yeah i missed that

dang that was a good post

why did i miss that

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:41 am

Why would it be hypocritical?

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:29 am

Nacho/Mollie is a great person to sheep this game I think, unless you totally disagree with who they're going after

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:01 am

Saki I liked you a lot more when you had your vote on GM

Meh I'm just not getting any scumvibes from Sakura at all. *shrug*

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:05 am

I would feel more comfortable if we can decide on which three or four scumspects are going to be voted for...so that it is consolidated, and it's not such random voting that votes spring back and forth almost seemingly randomly.

Also, then we can focus on those people only and see what people's opinions are and which side they swing.

OK Saki <3

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:06 am

We have quite a few easy targets for lynch 1 bait for scum to go after (me being one of them). That is why meta helps so that the scum don't go all-out and go after delicious prey.

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:17 am

In post 1467, Wisdom wrote:Fucking game

Bert I fucking answered to you. goodmorning does not have enough games with Nacho to be able to tell obvtown Nacho like we do. It's NORMAL for her to get paranoid. Scum would not try and antagonize Nacho - almost always scum try to buddy Nacho and have him make the town lynch the wrong targets. Even more so in this game that scum need to find the other scum.

Saki I also answered to you. ns is town due to meta. He has done things that he doesn't do as scum. I know him, I know his game, I can tell. He's not scum.

Why the fucking hell don't you guys vote Mala?

OK. How many games is enough? That's true, now that Sakura is here, yeah Tierce and Tammy did buddy Nacho on D1 in 501.

Re: my playstyle - I'm hopeful I don't go back to my old playstyle as well lol

Re: politeness/buddying - depends on meta as well, methinks

Hold on I'll read the ISO's from GM and Mala and look again.

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:19 am

BAH. OK this vote is staying here for at least 24 real life hours. No one. NO ONE will make me change it lol

I've switched from Mala to GM and vice versa 3 times today already. You all will run out of patience for my vote-hopping lol.

Vote: Malakittens

*collective sigh of relief*

Wisdom makes a good point. GM is pretty smart and clever with her play. That's just so hard to fathom how she can claim to know Nacho's meta well and have enough prior experience.

:/

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:20 am

Mala's fail read on me is enough to justify a lynch for her

that was just grasping at straws

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:24 am

It feels great to be sheeped. I've spent my life sheeping Nachomamma.

Guess it's time to pay it forward. <333333

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:30 am

meh Mala's defense isn't very practical or convincing

*shrug*

Why let the angry words spill out

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:34 am

Be productive rather than saying it.

The fact that you are spending time trying to convince us that you are productive, rather than doing your own thing and being productive is very, very, very, troubling

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:34 am

^that was in response to Mala

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:40 am

Hi NS how are you?

You're wasting your time if you want to wait for Scott, Rach, and MeowMix. Is the pressure getting to you? Deflecting heat like that isn't going to work just like turning off a switch.

MeowMix is probably going to be replaced if he/she isn't on V/LA (hasn't posted in 4 days?). Scott isn't generally active I don't think. Rach is coasting sitewide and I'd be surprised if she makes any comments about anything game-related for some time to come. Waiting like that would just waste valuable discussion time. I'd rather have lots of discussion flowing so we have lots to go off of, rather than defer to the remaining three inactives and "wait" so that pressure dissipates off you.

No, not happening.

You should not be complaining about not being able to form plenty of reads by this stage. You have enough energy to respond to people calling you out; you can do better than this.

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:41 am

^post was @Mala. Dang it I need to label who I'm addressing the posts to since someone simul-posted.

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:48 am

In post 1512, Marquis wrote:i can't read

Then sheep someone you think is town?

In post 1511, notscience wrote:How the fuck are we on page 61 already this game started like a week ago

Cuz the rest of the playerlist is off the charts awesome fo sho

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:20 pm

Welcome, DrCirno!!!! <3

I remember you from Marathon Weekend

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:42 pm

Most people can't keep up with the game being so active. Not anyone's fault

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:53 pm

Syryana and Noctan replaced out before Wisdom came in, so that's not valid

meowmix was never active here, and honey bee I don't know why he/she replaced out

Bert · Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:01 pm

we never had that problem in Popcorn though

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:46 am

I'm sheeping you and Nacho/mollie because I believe you two are town. Nacho's reads tend to be quite solid - that's why he gets killed on N1 so often. I'm OK with letting him lead the town here, same with Mollie. They can figure this game out. Also, I'm feeling what you are with regard to your reads. Just not GM is where we disagree on. I just don't make cases on people well at all compared to you all,

So I'm sheeping you safely in this game.

In other games this might get me killed, so I would then have to play a safer playstyle and go with more content/observations, but here I'm comfortable doing what I'm doing now

plus this is such a fast-paced game, I adapted my playstyle for games like these and rather enjoy this personally

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:47 am

Actually, your flip on me right when DrCirno announces a scum-read on me is pretty scummy, which makes me much more comfortable with you as a townread. I expect you to ping my scumdar - good, good.

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:53 am

I don't mind being death-tunneled, actually. It makes me stay sharp in the game and aware of what's going on, rather than becoming lazy and not caring enough about the game.

Plus, it keeps me talking and motivated. So bring it on, Wisdom. Lol

@Wisdom: because DrCirno doesn't know me, so obviously he/she is going to have a scumread on me. I have a 50% chance in my history of getting lynched D1. That isn't an accident or a fluke.

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:01 am

In post 1586, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1583, Bert wrote:@Wisdom: because DrCirno doesn't know me, so obviously he/she is going to have a scumread on me. I have a 50% chance in my history of getting lynched D1. That isn't an accident or a fluke.
So you're saying you've been scummy this game?

No, I'm saying that my playstyle is naturally scummy to the traditional scumhunter. It's like how Saki can't accept that NS is pinging all of his/her scumdars but this is how NS-town plays.

Wisdom, I am reading you as town....because you know that you are much more scummy as town than scum. You said so yourself. So I'm using that here when I take everything into account. It's not your air of superiority that's making me think you're town. You're just being scummy such that you can be called out on more easily. When even I'm thinking you're super-scummy, then I take it to mean you're town, if that makes sense.

I also keep forgetting you replaced Noctan. I still think his/her replace-out was pretty town.

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:12 am

I'm masons with goodmorning. That's why I was asking whether if one monk is town, it's possible that the other monk is scum. Cuz I wasn't liking GM at all and was considering outing her if having one town mason makes the other even more likely to be scum.

I really don't care if people know. I was really sad that Syry replaced out, actually. This was a golden opportunity. Plus, I would be overjoyed if one of us gets killed over Nacho/Mollie. I was planning to claim near the end of the day in the hopes that scum spare Nacho/Mollie lol.

So lay off your votes and remember that if life gives you melons, you might be dyslexic (thank you Edo)

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:15 am

GM won't be here till Monday since she's V/LA, so she can save her reactions for several days later.

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:17 am

Also, now you can't consider GM and me as a possible scumpair. We also cannot be on opposite factions. This can now be taken into account.

I don't see why anyone would counterclaim either.

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:19 am

Um.

It's a rule that both masons know each other are not mafia. Also, only one (maximum) of the mason pair can be a werewolf.

So my logic is solid.

No, Wisdom, who in their right mind would kill me during the night?

And also, if we both were on the same scum faction, wouldn't that just make the other scum faction kill us? So how is that any incentive for me to claim again?

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:22 am

In post 1607, Wisdom wrote:I knew Bert was a mason or a monk when he started talking about the subject. It's very likely though that he brought it up exactly because he's scum and he wanted to appear clueless about it when his role would be revealed. Could explain why he prematurely claimed as well.

It's because Syryana keeps drawing scum whenever I'm in games with him. And also because I didn't like goodmorning's opening posts, so I was wondering if that could solidify a case for her to be lynched.

But then the 30% to 18% ratio that Mollie gave out, as well as others, pretty much ruined my hopes.

And Sakura, your plan is so anti-town unless you honestly believe one of us scum and take our being masons as secondary consideration.

You don't lynch masons for the sake of lynching them for probability purposes. You're not appreciating the odds.

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:22 am

In post 1613, Wisdom wrote:We do have a piece of info however;
Bert is not scum with goodmorning.
There's no way he'd claim masons with her - if there's a counterclaim and Bert flips scum, goodmorning gets incriminated.
My guess right now is that the claim is legit, Bert is wolf and goodmorning is town.

Then why aren't you voting me lawl

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:25 am

In post 1619, Saki wrote:
In post 1618, Bert wrote:Bert is wolf and goodmorning is town.
if that's based on his avi
wisdom i dunno what do say

I lol'd

And Sakura, nah, I've been getting lynched peacefully on D1 lately, so don't you worry honey bunches

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:26 am

That's 4 at least. Keep them coming, scrubs. <3

With love! hahahahaha

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:27 am

In post 1625, Saki wrote:
In post 1624, Bert wrote:That's 4 at least. Keep them coming, scrubs. <3

With love! hahahahaha
im still counterclaiming with notscience

Do it. I dare you

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:34 am

In post 1662, Wisdom wrote:Yeah, you have a point there.
It's guaranteed they're not both wolves and neither is mafia, so they can wolfhunt each other.
It's better not to lynch among them.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mala

That's a terrible, terrible transition back to voting Mala. Terribad. You told me that you had "assumed I was a monk or mason" after I was asking how likely it is for a mason to be scum if the other is town. How you can just suddenly realize this boggles my mind. NO.

In post 1693, Wisdom wrote:Mala/Honey Bee/Sakura/Bert

game solved

That you can be so sure of this right now is what worries me. Where is this surefire confidence coming from?

No, no, no.

Mollie, I trust your read on GM because I've been thinking the same thing ever since I caught up with this game a while back.

Starting to not like Wisdom at all. Meh.

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:36 am

unvote

Vote: Wisdom

If this is your townplay, bah... no words lol because that would be hard to swallow

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:38 am

In post 1725, Saki wrote:this self-voting and defeatism is contagious

first noctan, bert, now you.

First, I didn't self-vote. Secondly, emotions can be high during reactions so you need to take things with a grain of salt.

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:45 am

Vote: GM

I've been not liking GM - consolidating votes is fine by me.

Wisdom I just can't see as town right now either. Honestly, they've overshadowed Mala now. Wisdom needs some vote-pressure soon though. Maybe then we can grill him more

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:47 am

No, your reads have been changing, Wisdom.

Stop with the blacklist bullshit. That's a terrible response to me saying you're scummy. "SO U GONNA BLACKLIST ME THEN? HUH?"

*shrug*

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:51 am

I think you're scum. Doesn't mean I'm gonna blacklist you. LOL

Where did that conclusion come from? That's quite a jump..

I stand by how it's impossible that you would be so unaware of how masons and monks work in this game.

Fine with the lynching others over us because I'm a mason. Why you're using the odds of us being scum as the initiative and incentive to lynch others when you strongly believe me to be scum is what gets me.

And if you look at GM's posts, that thing about Nacho is not the only thing that makes me uncomfortable. Why can't you see that

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:03 am

I already answered your question - I said what I've been thinking is what you've been thinking, ergo GM is giving off super scummy vibes

you make better qualitative/quantitative cases than I do

so I'm glad to support the wagon and sheep you

what else do you wanna know

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:04 am

EBWOP: that was at mollie

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:14 am

because of her comments about nacho

i dont care if she's only been in a few games with nacho, her comments about nacho and how yall arent town were so so so so not town. how gm can think that and reference all those games, etc., etc. without accuracy either in her statements made it a weak weak weak weak scummy move on her part

Wisdom's arguiment that "smart scum buddy nacho, not antagonize" is BS and that's just an excuse

wisdom is so adamant on defending gm from the get-go. why

or

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:22 am

No, Nacho and mollie have proven they are town.

Since Nacho actually joined in and stopped being a lurksack, things changed. what is so hard to understand about that.

And no that doesn't mean everyone follows that rule and buddies Nacho as scum if they're experienced. Tehre's no set line of right behavior or smart behavior for scum when playing with Nacho.

Doesn't make your reads right if you're confident.

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:28 am

you have barely any history with me unless you count a day of 503 with me posting nothing (Polygamy) and also 500

compared with a few other players here like Nacho who have games and games of experience with me

so no you don't have much of a "recent "history with me

heck even Marquis has a more recent history than you do, same with GM

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:28 am

and you know how I play as scum, so it's really really really bad that you are being so tunnely on me actually

you have been scum WITH me before

LOL

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:31 am

Bull.

I'm doubting you're town because your reads are based on some really stubborn, logical, petty stuff that doesn't make much sense

dont'expect everyone to share your reads on Mala either. See where your wagon on her has gotten? Yeah, that's what I thought.

And yes I posted SOMETHING, which is more than NOTHING.

I did post in there several times.

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:34 am

Wisdom, "HEY EVERYONE LETS VOTE MALA" (x29 repeats)

that is you so far. remind me what the point of that is?

now it's

BERT LOOK AT HIM (x55)

if you're going to go the "history" route, you weren't this tunnely in 500

but I'm not using that against you right now, happy?

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:41 am

In post 1811, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1806, Bert wrote:Bull.

I'm doubting you're town because your reads are based on some really stubborn, logical, petty stuff that doesn't make much sense
Which pretty much is the definition of my townplay.

dont'expect everyone to share your reads on Mala either. See where your wagon on her has gotten? Yeah, that's what I thought.

Okay can everyone listen to me for just a second?
Go and see what Bert was replying to Mala when he was voting her. Go and see how confident he was that she was scum. Go! And then tell me this isn't a contradiction.

And yes I posted SOMETHING, which is more than NOTHING.

I did post in there several times.
And this is another contradiction. You just said it YOURSELF that you posted nothing there.

You're taking it literally. Go look in Polygamist. I DID post in there. I said "nothing" to mean I am lurky as fuck as scum. What part of that don't you understand?

um, you're the one contradicting yourself. you said there is no town wisdom. what is your point here??

You were the most confident one, and I thought you were town then. I also still don't like Mala. You expected EVERYONE who wasnt voting Mala to NOT SEE WHAT YOU WERE SEEING, and you were calling every single one of them out on that. I wasn't doing that. Big difference, bub.

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:44 am

In post 1800, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1795, goodmorning wrote:I don't. His posts are a bit wishywashy but that jives with what I know of him as Town - analyzing everything, saying little. See Micro 189 (under his alt).
So he's sheeping everyone to death. Sure it's exceedingly anti-Town, but that doesn't make him a Wolf.
What about his sudden certainty that I'm scum? I realize you don't know of my history with him like I do, which adds to my scumread, but still it's evident it's coming from scum.

What about the fact he was certain about Mala being scum (evident by how he replied to her) yet she jumped to you twice?

What about the fact he was self-defeatist about his wagon after having tried to encourage someone not to do that exact thing?

I'm going to start quoting what I'm replying to so I don't keep confusing people.

1) I thought both of them were scum. And I stand by that. It's not like I went from having a strong townread on Mala and in less than a page of posting or less (in real or virtual time) went from that strong townread to a strong scumread on her.???

2) self-defeatist?? Of course I don't want people to end up giving away the emotions I give when I'm self-defeatist. Because I've seen myself get lynched many times from eing that way, and the people I told that to, I wanted them to go down with a fight, not just give way like I do sometimes.

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:47 am

In post 1820, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1815, Bert wrote:You're taking it literally. Go look in Polygamist. I DID post in there. I said "nothing" to mean I am lurky as fuck as scum. What part of that don't you understand?

You said that I don't have history with you because you posted nothing in Polygamy (therefore we shouldn't consider that game part of our history) and in the very next post you say that I should know your scum play because of Polygamy. This is the mother of contradictions, you can't have it both ways, Bert.

Then start it with a blank slate nd play this game like you've never played with me before. You're acting so biased, but you're basing everything on my town play which isn't even fairly recent.

you were bragging about your history with me that someone else who was reading me as town doesn't, when the fact is that person (Marquis or GM) has JUST as much history as you do with me, and more recent in fact.

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:48 am

I'm telling you to actually not just look at how I play in ONE game if you're goin to use that as a measuring stick.

In post 1821, Wisdom wrote:notscience if you cannot handle it, replace out and blacklist me like the others. Capiche? Otherwise, stop fluffing because I'm that close to starting doubting my townread on you.

Really? Who else don't you doubt your townread on? Or are you not going to answer that either because "I don't give away townreads"

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:52 am

In post 1826, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1818, Bert wrote:
1) I thought both of them were scum. And I stand by that. It's not like I went from having a strong townread on Mala and in less than a page of posting or less (in real or virtual time) went from that strong townread to a strong scumread on her.???
You keep saying that my Mala wagon is bad and goes nowhere and stuff. That assumes you think Mala is town. So yes you went from a strong scumread on her to calling the wagon on her bad. Which is another mother of contradictions.

2) self-defeatist?? Of course I don't want people to end up giving away the emotions I give when I'm self-defeatist. Because I've seen myself get lynched many times from eing that way, and the people I told that to, I wanted them to go down with a fight, not just give way like I do sometimes.
How the hell can you advise people not to be self-defeatist and then be one yourself in the fucking same game?

1) Where did I say the Mala wagon is bad?? Where did you get this mother of an impression? LOL
2) Because I can. Got a problem with that? And to add onto that, I did not self-vote OR threaten to replace-out. Big difference.

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:55 am

OK then so you're going to disregard 503 Polygamist as a whole. You just said Meta exists to be used?

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:58 am

And that stuff about how GM would not antagonize Nacho or voice such confusion...I may have voiced doubt, but GM voiced doubt much later in the game than I did. I voiced doubt when RVS had just gotten out.

Hey, not everyone is gonna go "I'm just gonna be really logical, and therefore Wisdom can't tunnel the hell out of me" Because you know that's exactly how you think scum can get away with being scum - by just being REALLY REALLY logical

Oh hey, I'm not the most logical, and I'm not purposefully trying to make my play 100% logical so that you never scum-read me, am I? On that same token, not all experienced players are gonna buddy Nacho as such.

And no, you did mention 500 popcorn in this game. I'll go find it now, thanks.

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:02 am

In post 1835, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1829, Bert wrote:1) Where did I say the Mala wagon is bad?? Where did you get this mother of an impression? LOL

In post 1806, Bert wrote:dont'expect everyone to share your reads on Mala either. See where your wagon on her has gotten? Yeah, that's what I thought.

Just because I said the latter doesn't mean Mala's wagon is bad. It just means you shouldn't expect everyone to share your read on me.

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:03 am

In post 1836, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1831, Bert wrote:OK then so you're going to disregard 503 Polygamist as a whole. You just said Meta exists to be used?
So you're saying I should expect you to post nothing in all your scumgames because you did so in Polygamy?

No, I'm saying if you don't use Polygamist to go off, then you have nothing to compare my town play to. Therefore, you can't use the past to dictate "this isn't his scum playstyle." People adapt, change, improve, get worse, all that...as town.

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:10 am

if you're so sure that I'm scum, Wisdom, it shouldn't matter whether I'm a mason or not.

Scum is still scum.

In post 1843, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1838, Bert wrote:It just means you shouldn't expect everyone to share your read on me.
So you think I'm scum yet you're giving me advice?

No. Not advice. It's a rebuttal to what you were saying earlier, which I can't even remember because I'm really confused now from all of this banter. be back after a quick snackie

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:34 am

poor Marangal

you've had enough scum alignment fatigue, and now this

*hugs*

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:49 am

I don't feel so bad that I alt slipped 5 times already. Mollie is at 4 now. Join the club! <3333

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:01 am

In post 1487, Malakittens wrote:
In post 1476, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1469, Saki wrote:'justify active lurking from town perspective'
active lurking in this game doesn't apply to ns only
gogo answer that
Active lurking mainly applies to Mala.
ns and Marquis kind of do it too, but in both cases it's different. ns sometimes does try to move the game forward - an example being his selfvote on page2 for reactions - and Marquis is pretty obviously just a carefree guy who doesn't take this seriously and just does whatever he wants. I'm less certain about Marquis being town, as this is something that can be done by good scum, but ns is clearly town.
Good god. I'm not active lurking get the fuck over yourself.

If you guys are seriously going to sheep please wait for Mollie to answer regarding her read on me. If you ever want to trust one/two people: Nacho AND Mollie are the people to do it. Both can read me so well it's not even funny.

But if you guys are going to go "well, I'm going to sit here and sheep player x who has barely a case other than 'umg a fluffy ISO' I'll sit here and replace out". I hate tunnelers they piss me off. I hate getting voted without a decent case on me that I can dispute. I can't dispute gut, I can't dispute a fluffy ISO and face it there's a ton of players here who has them yet he's going after me.

Please do find some solid evidence that links me to being scum.

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:38 am

Vote: Ms Marangal

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:53 pm

How was it a miscount?

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:56 pm

Oh, Saki was already voting Mara, I see...

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:01 pm

I guess you all are going to stretch this game to a 100 page day 1 at least?

Lol, none of my completed games even reached page 84 by the end. Hahahahaha

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:11 pm

Why isn't Mara dead yet

what are we waiting for

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:14 pm

Kay. Let's get cozy.

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:35 pm

It's almost beddie-bye time here! HAHAHAHAHAHA

Awww you guys are playing games

<333

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:40 pm

For playing league of legends maybe? Idk

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:45 pm

Maybe it's for not hammering Mara yet

Ever thought of that lol

Bert · Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:44 pm

In post 2136, Sakura Hana wrote:So ok a question for everyone:
If mara turns Scum or Town, who would you look at tomorrow.
imo, for either i'd go after GM like Nacho said, tho i sheeped him a lot on Stacking the Deck (or at least his D1 reads), and failed to hit a single scum with vig shots.

Thankfully Tammy and Tierce aren't here

Bert · Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:01 am

Vote: goodmorning

Oh hell no

Bert · Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:24 am

Nacho, how sure are you that Mara is scum?

Bert · Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:25 am

And yeah I yanked off my vote because GM looked like she wanted to hammer, and I don't like her in this game so therefore I'm letting us talk more