Open 514: Monks and Masons in Serona - GAME OVER

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hi guys!

helllloooooooooo syrlacious...<3

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I don't do rvs

and I seriously doubt that nacho or I will "sheep" you so you might as well give up on that one

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you don't do rvs my ass.

I don't

sometimes what people think is rvs, isn't

are you going to get retarded on me yes or no

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how can I be in rvs when I don't do rvs

and yeah I noticed that too

wondering if he is trying to do the too scummy to be scum

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mala plz deal with sakura tia

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VOTE: marquis

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so wat is ur experience noctan

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Be back in about an hour. Need to see what happens next in Doctor Who.

okay first rule is don't talk about ongoing games plz

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Mollie are you still mad at me

<3

it depends how annoying you get but don't worry I am sure sakura will beat you <3

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beeeeeeert

don't ever take me too srsly

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ty mala

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and it is mollie who is here now but don't worry nacho will be on at some point pretending to be me

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liking not science and mala mebbe bert

mebbe noctan too wanna talk to nacho

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xpost: yeah I think I like noctan

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VOTE: scott

feels good

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Can we lynch Mala for trolling

vote: Malakittens

Hello, my love! Get nice and cuddly with me today for I will probably not be long on this planet, as you've become familiar with . Yes we can lynch Mala for trolling because lynching Mala for trolling is exciting and hilarious, but who do you want to lynch for being scum?

you don't do rvs my ass.

Mala I didn't expect you to be the person who attacked mollie because she totally does RVS sometimes...

Okay

L-2

On page 2

Tell me that's not scumpushed.

I'm not horribly interested in doing wagon analysis on Page 2. Page 2 flashwagons are usually formed by who's online as opposed to scum/town, so they are not accurate in looking for scum.

why ignore this post

It was a pretty ignorable post, don't you think? That vote was practically a throwaway vote and no one cares about those. JOAT Survivor is a role that has to live until the end of the game, but has multiple limited powers to help them do so. It's completely irrelevant to MONKS and MASONS.

Do you have any opinions on who's scum or not? Whatchu think about the guy you're voting?

Do you have any other opinions other than "Noctan is scum"?

Will talk to mollie later, but it's looking like Mala is where our scumreads align the strongest.

Vote: Malakittens

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even my hydra partner is retarded wat did I do to deserve this life is so unfair

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just texted nacho "I have mala as town you dummy"

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Hopefully you catch Syry - I havea feeling he might be a lurksack again for several good reasons - *shrug*

School is certainly one of them.
Being scum *might* be another.

What makes you think my question is pointless? Everything a player does in a game is driven by their wincon. and I have the right to question them about it which will give me more information.

You have a right to do most things in this game. But at this point, I think it might just be time to pocket your suspicion and attack from another angle because this line of questioning isn't really convincing me and I don't think it's doing it for anyone else either.

WIFOMy, but I really feel that RachMarie would not be dense enough to not know the setup.

So you think that she would pretend not to know the setup and try to fake a townslip?

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Vote: Honey Bee

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why Mollie is totally scrambling to cover for Nacho like that

if mollie ever has to cover for me, policy lynch me and chase me off the site because my time will clearly be over.

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texted nacho: thank god u r dealing with bert

nacho: that's my job!

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Why is hydra dissonance a scumtell?

It's not. It's just annoying.

___

Trying to currently wake up, hold plz. -_-

Mollie why didn't you move the vote off? If you disagree with it?

I kinda wanna use our two headed hydra so we can text each other or read the thread together on Skype. Would be awesomeness.

I don't even understand what you mean here

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NOOOOOOOOOOOO

Why are there no doctors or bodyguards or JKs UGH

If I EVA get the chance and think youre likely town, I will protect you like Mutters failed to do in 501!!!

Buddying noted.

ignoring all of my beautiful posts double noted

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Since I have mollie's completely unnecessary blessing, we're voting Honey bee because of her attack on Noctan for not having any reads while simultaneously not having any reads (except for a Noctan read!) of her own.

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Shut up both of you.

I agree with Honey Bee (sorta). I want to see more posts from her if making a solid read on her.

or you could vote her now so the sheep know that it's safe to hop on.
i like posts best when people are close to death.

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Anyone have any experience with her to know if that's her norm?

With who?

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Decide for yourself. It's usually faster and more accurate.

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Initial posts are similar in that Honey attacked a single player for a single thing then put a vote down. The vote is even worse here thanks to the fact that she's attacking someone for not having reads without having developed reads of her own.

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UNVOTE: Marquis

Bert being scum is possiblez but there isn't much evidence against him.

I'm not talking about Bert. I'm talking about Honey.

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sakura who are your town reads

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Okay, we should get reads on everyone before pointing toward one person.

good then you won't mind coughing up some reads

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I'm not a fan of handing out townreads left and right in an attempt to get towncred

it isn't an attempt to get town cred you dummy it is for accountability as we move further into the game.

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jesus christ

providing lists is protown play for the reasons that ns gave and I am backing up sakura too. providing reads is making yourself accountable because if your reads change you will to explain the progression. yeah scum fake reads all of the time but you have to remember they have to do it for the

entire

so that is a lot of story to keep straight. that is why scum are so reluctant to provide a list of reads like have you noticed noctan popping in to stoke fires but when I asked for reads he disappeared? cos that is looking pretty scummy to me at the mo and it should to you too if you are town.

ns, sakura I think you both are barking up the wrong tree and are giving scum room to hide with your bickering.

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So you'd push anyone that disagrees with you and agrees with me? that makes sense /sarcasm

P-Edit: Except... they you know, dont know who is werewolf from the town. (Same for wolves vs mafia)

They would attempt to get each other lynched? That's putting their lives on the line for a lynch that would most likely hit a townie.

If I were scum I'd play it safe and shoot each other at night. Less questions asked. Town learns nothing new.


I don't want to push NS because NS is agreeing with you?
I want to push NS because NS is agreeing with you

without question

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Don't twist my words, kthx.

@50 What. I don't play with many townreads. I don't want to go through the trouble of things that are not scumhunting and I'd rather not have to answer questions about 'omfg you thought he was town a second ago.'

then you are probably going to get lynched cos what you are doing directly helps scum when it is town's job to not give scum places to hide. what you are doing is giving scum a place to hide.

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Yep.

pm, you think Saki is town?

I am leaning retarded town, yes

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Forcing townreads on people I know nothing about is the way to help town?
Helping scum hide behind a gut town-read is helping town?

why would you force town reads as town? if you town read someone say it. it is not for your benefit it is for the benefit of your team. mafia is a team game, you either win as a team or lose as a team town wins when town find one another and works together. a reads list leaves a trail for teammates to work from in case you die. scum don't like to leave lists cos then they are held accountable. <--- this isn't that hard to understand.

eta: you don't town cred for handing out town reads that is the major flaw in your thinking. you get town cred for making town posts.

town role pm>>>>town motivation>>>>town posts

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"Saki is scum for not reading my article"

if you didn't read the article how is that lying?

or "saki is scum" in general

she doesn't know that. in her eyes you look like scum. she is telling you why she finds you scummy <---- she isn't lying she is genuinely scumreading you. if you are town you need to look elsewhere cos her posts do not come from scum motivation.

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Hmm, this wagon looks promising

VOTE: notscience

Everyone voting the non-cc'd doctor is either scum or bad town

VOTE: RM

Didn't read setup and her vote was L-1. Terribad and opportunistic.

Guys lets join my wagon for infos

:<

Notscience seems sketchy, but that's it. And seriously, quit arguing before their are so many quotes one post takes up an entire page.
Bullies

pedit

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SHNAP

I don't like Marquis's vote, and RM at least justified it.

was there a point you were trying to make here

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@Noctan
the fuck are you trying to say

@50
So not reading an article is a scumtell? Hmmm better post supermarket tabloids

"Genuinely Scumreading." Why would scum need to scumread anyone else? I don't think her scumread is anywhere near genuine.
If you're telling me my scumread is wrong I'm telling you it's right.
And why would I look beyond my top scumread? There aren't any special circumstances yet.

I never said that not reading an article is a scumtell do not fucking put words in my mouth again.

I am telling you that your scumread is wrong.

cos you should be looking at what is going on around you at all times if you are town. there is more than 1 scum and in fact there are 2 teams so you should be extra alert

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Yeah okay Mollie is definitely town here. If she's fucking with my head again - I'll go cry an ocean.

Anyways, I already told them to shut up and they didn't listen to me. Some of the playerlist has posted once or not at all.

I still can't believe Saki's is tunneling straight off the bat. NS is sheeping anything that has a heartbeat.

You know, they could both be scum and are doing this to distract us!!!!! Nah, probably not. But I completely agree with you.

I want a list noctan

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noctan why are you ignoring me

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My reads shift constantly as the day goes on. Making a readslist now and reading 3,4,5 people as town does nothing but hinder me when one of them scumslips and I start pushing them.

I have no problem with getting people lynched when I call them town and lynch them two posts later. You wouldn't either if your reasoning was strong enough.

I am scumhunting? Otherwise why would I be tunneling you?

Because you think you can get away with it.

Yeah okay Mollie is definitely town here. If she's fucking with my head again - I'll go cry an ocean.

Anyways, I already told them to shut up and they didn't listen to me. Some of the playerlist has posted once or not at all.

I still can't believe Saki's is tunneling straight off the bat. NS is sheeping anything that has a heartbeat.

Post #382 was me and I thought that was pretty town
no mention of Nacho?

What makes you think I'm actually tunneling sakura

The fact you haven't done anything else except for stupidly tunnel sakura.

I'd go in to why I think what I think but you want a list so....

My favorite lists include reasons.

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Saki is possible scum
Marquis i- well honestly I have no idea.
Mala is town
notscience is probably town
Sakura is likely town.
RachMarie = I can't tell
Honey Bee could be scum
Bert Could be scum
Scott hasn't posted
Syryana I can't tell
I'm town
Meowmix could be town.

i don't understand how you have all those reads but have done absolutely nothing to push any of them

Vote: Noctan

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Enlighten me on how 402 and 403 helps town more than it helps scum.

Scum is going to kill people who are threats to them.
Scum does not need town to tell them who they want to kill or scum is fucking stupid.
There is no harm in giving townreads; it is good to know what people is thinking so you can understand their thought process as they move forward; it also means scum has to fake townreads as well instead of just pushing whoever the hell looks like an easy lynch.

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Okay. You get on me about not giving reasons, yet when I started with notscience and posted that, you said give me a list, so I gave you a list

And now I'm asking you to give reasons with your list.
Is that too much to ask?

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Get away with what? Tunneling Sakura? So, I'm not scumhunting by tunneling on my main scumread?

You're not scumhunting if you're scum.

If I went head to head with Sakura then why aren't you claiming that Sakura is tunneling me?

I'm not talking to Sakura at this point in time.

Wait all of you actually think her case against me is based off of solid reasoning?
All of you actually think I'm tunneling Sakura?

No.
Yes.

I don't think my reasoning is anywhere near strong so yes I have a problem with that.

Then why are you pushing so hard on it? You're missing much better targets because of your insistence on weak reasoning.

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yes I am and nacho is too who has been posting

eta: lol, xpost

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I have zero self-confidence

hence why I was not going to provide townreads (I might be wrong, no?)
but instead of zero self-confidence I wanted an excuse

you can be wrong on scumreads
you can be wrong on townreads

why give scumreads and not give townreads?

i also have to say that i am not at all happy that you lied to me saki

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@ ns

and not me?

remind me to avoid games with you in them

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@50
I have problems with reading someone that I have not directly talked to yet.

then talk to other people

that is what I am asking you to do

and your tacit refusal looks scummy cos you would have to be pretty retarded or scum to ignore the feedback you are getting which basically boils down to what else have you got

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so what do you think of noctan's list and what nacho has said about it?

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I don't even capitalise so why would I underline

noctan has said he has experience and if you think he is newbscum then why are you retardedly pushing sakura who is not a viable lynch? I mean noctan has more steam

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i'd rather scumread 'cause I've actually scumread someone right

i'd rather not townread 'cause I have not actually townread someone right...yet.

rly

cos in newbie 1379 it seems like you got a couple of townreads right

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i will truthfully answer all underlined questions towards me about anything
anything

Who are your townreads and why?
Who are your scumreads and why?
Why is it necessary for me to underline my questions to get answers out of you?

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and bungle and notscience

then why are you just tunneling here and not listening to other people?

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at that point i was like
what the hell it's me or her

This isn't the case. Why aren't you voting Noctan?

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that does not answer my question

and what was it about him that made you think he was scummy?

and I am taking away your power to do a 1v1 with sakura. you don't have a good reason to do so in the first place. if you are town it is a vanity push so stahp that.

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town? errr
maybe marquis. maybe you.

scumreads.
noctan notscience sakura (that order of strength)

I asked why as well.

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not voting noctan 'cause i need to look at everyone else. (like everyone else has been saying!)

It's also completely possible to vote someone while looking somewhere else.

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"threw out a name there randomly"

Do you realize we're out of RVS since several pages ago right?

I never intended to say you were scum for not reading it, re-read my post where I said that, I might have infered it, but was never my intention, my original reason for suspecting you was that you remained in RVS despite the fact that I was trying to drag us out of RVS by questioning you, then you OMGUS'd me, then Bert defended you with more RVS, then i showed the article about RVS, then you started acting anti-town overall, and then you told me that you voted me while you STILL HADN'T SCUMREAD ME, so that's why I voted you.

i scumread you the moment you pulled out that article

what do you say about 416.

also what the hell is wrong with keeping your vote on someone once a scumread has developed

I just wonder why if noctan is a stronger scumread and a more viable lynch (hint there is a wagon on him) why you would not make more use of your vote. it is useless on sakura.

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sakura can you start looking elsewhere too?

ty

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If someone talks about killing you irl he's either an asshole or a crook.

but when it's a game where we're all killing each other, this is a bit invalid.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Noctan

Might as well. I look forward to seeing reactions to my role when I'm lynched.
Also, I've been playing crappy anyway. Has to happen some time.

Claim.

If you're town unvote. If you are scum then keep your vote on you please.

How's sorting out things going?

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Bert what's your read on the self-defeatist attitude?

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Bert what's your read on the self-defeatist attitude?

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SYRLICIOUS

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@Mod: Replace me out

Can't handle this pace, sorry folks.

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doesn't mean it will work everytime it is also a narcissistic way of playing

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did you just hammer as town noctan

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likely excuse

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If Noctan is fucking town he can turn it around for himself, but doesn't care to try.

If he's scum he's still harmful to his team and should die.

hhhmmm...

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....I hate this tablet. The Internet died and I lost everything I wrote.

Anyway, the only person who I'm more suspicious of is Saki, really. He seems to be extremely defensive, and offensive to those who vote him, he tunnled Sakura like a freaking miner, etc. As for others, Mala and 50 get a townread from me, but as for anyone else I'm not sure.

I'm sorry, I thought you said your next post was a list?

I fucking lost it all. I'm not typing it again, so go ahead and ask me for reasons of a specific person, I'l quote them and give you my own reasons as well. I'm not typing all of that shit over again for now.

reads on:
saki
mala
bert
meowmix

You tell me.

Slowly? I was hoping you could handle more people than just Noctan.

Are we allowed a post after we're dead?

There is no way in hell you thought that was the hammer.

yes I'm calling for a policy lynch.

im cranky, hes annoying me. I do not give a shit.

you're voting marquis love

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Noctan: Claim.

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pm are you town too

that wasn't mollie you dummy
mollie talks like this <------ see? no punctuation and no quote walls.

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Hi GM

Help me.save this game pls

What's wrong with the Noctan vote?

Wait there's a hydra of mollie and Nacho?

THIS IS BEST EVER

<3

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I think noctan seems almost too easy a,lynch. Gives,me the heebie jeebies

Maybe. But in that case, I think there would be scum on the wagon already, don't you? Who do you think that lucky scumbag would be?

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I think noctan seems almost too easy a,lynch. Gives,me the heebie jeebies

Maybe. But in that case, I think there would be scum on the wagon already, don't you? Who do you think that lucky scumbag would be?

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aaaaaaaand good morning is scum.

I am even more of a fan of the noctan lynch

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You quoted GM

Mala why is GM scum

Speculation. If Noctan flips scum high chances are GM is a partner. Looks like distancing a lot of distancing.

I think it's Noctan/GM scum team..

Btw Noctan - I was drunk earlier this game and you didn't see me making excuses the morning after. >.>

You didn't post much while drunk then. What am I to do when I made at least 30-40 drunk posts?

You posted 30-40 drunk posts? You mean

maybe

20 posts. Your overreaction is noted.

You see seem to care how you are seen.

This is normally a scum trait

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why do I get the feeling that you know that there is a good chance that noctan might be town?

also do you have any original scum reads of your own cos right all you are doing is sheeping my reads

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eta: also noctan was not overreacting he was overstating

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UNVOTE: noctan

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how does him calling you town trying to get you lynched

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You know. I love it if people let others answer first before then saying what they wanted to say,

I'm trying to ask Mollie

first

.

I couldn't get over how bad gm's list was. I wasn't thinking about teams

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jesus christ not science you are truly horrible at telling us apart

I can probably tell you what his reads are we have a spreadsheet going. I won't be able to answer the full range of the whys though but he did make some notes

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that isn't something nacho would say

and he is not around right now

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Why exactly do you think I'm town in the first place? And no, it isn't a shitty strategy, you could get me lynched, then when they target you you could easily turn it around. Unless I were actually scum.

As for the weak townie remark³, how the fuck can you possibly think I'm town⁵?² Like seriously, my drunk posts⁴ were some of the most fucktarded things in this game. If I were any other person I would have lynched my stupid ass¹. And yeah, I am noobtown, but how can you think that at all?

1. I haven't read your drunkposts yet.
2. I flatter myself that I have some talent at reading newbies.
3. I think you're Town, but obvs weak since there's a big fucking wagon on you.
4. Drunkenness has no correlation with alignment.

5. Are you claiming scum then?

As for why specifically I think you're Town, it has everything to do with the game up to p16. I don't see from you any of the single-faction scumhunting that I would expect from someone fairly new. The thing people were finding you scummy for at that point was you shouting "I'M A NEWB" to the clouds, but there's nothing necessarily scummy about that because it could easily be a confidence thing.
You seem engaged with the game, genuinely curious, no hangups on irrelevant questions, no fishing for masons or towncred, quite plainly very townish. It's a little harder in this setup since everyone's hunting someone, but still quite true.
And if I have you as a strong Townread for the first 16 pages it's likely to continue that way, regardless of your drunkenness.

why put this in there?

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GM this game needs jesus

The discussion thus far sucks and we're on page fucking 31

ftr I

hate

posts like this

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why put this in there?

He literally said the words "how can you possibly think I am town?"
That's not an exaggeration or a reframing. Those are his

actual words

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If you still don't know why I included that then you are not the mollie I remember.


AND THEN THERE WERE THREE NEW PAGES BUT NOTHING RELEVANT WAS ON ANY OF THEM GUYS

I know what he said. that is why I am wondering why the fuck would you put him in your town pile. and now it seems like you think he is scum.

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in other news I am completely fucking over rach's active lurking. she has been around and I think she has only made like what 2 posts in this whole game.

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3rd vote is always scum yes

!

(actually I think if scum is on that wagon it's Honey and/or Meow)

Not Rach?

I think it's Noctan/GM scum team..

Btw Noctan - I was drunk earlier this game and you didn't see me making excuses the morning after. >.>

so you're done sorting him out then
and still not voting him...

No? I was asking him questions to show him why he was wrong. If people think im town from that great, if they think im scum, idc, but at least we know now that Saki's town and not scum, that's all I care about.

Why do you think town would care about town cred?

So you're not lynched? I'm just saying it does make you look suspicious, that's all.

it makes her look suspicious, but you still think she's town, correct? what do you think of the fact that she denies she's going for town cred?

GM is scum. That much is obvious. Mala claims we're a team because of distancing? GM has posted twice. One of her posts is trying to get me lynched by saying I'm town and acting scummy while doing it. I don't see how you claim distancing over two posts made by them. That actually makes you look suspicious, Mala. For now though,

VOTE: goodmorning

I thought Syrana was town, GM makes them look the opposite.

Why did you think Syryana was town?

What I do recommend, is making your playstyle the same, regardless of alignment of role, so no one can use meta against you.

What I recommend would be focusing on improving instead of worrying about meta.

Sure if trying to go by possible connections make me scummy then I guess I'm in the wrong type of a game.

I didn't like this.

Memo to self: Go to an english institute and learn perfect english before joining more mafia games...

I love how not only on this game, people tackle reasons to lynch me due to how i write stuff.

Sakura what are your current reads?

I've tried to, people ignore me.

I'm just gonna sit here and twiddle my fingers.

Do you have an updated case for why Saki is scum?

Vote: Marquis

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BERT
please get cozy with me
please don't leave me all alone in this horrible darkness
what are your reads, your feelings?

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You don't even have an opinion on us?

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lurk moar gm

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Well, my top four scum suspicions don't include her, and because there are two werewolves and two mafia, she's most likely town.

This doesn't seem consistent with "I am leaning scum/scum on everyone".

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Well, my top four scum suspicions don't include her, and because there are two werewolves and two mafia, she's most likely town.

This doesn't seem consistent with "I am leaning scum/scum on everyone".

Should have said leaning null. My apologies.

Still not consistent. If you're null on mostly everyone, then you shouldn't find Syryana town for not being on your top 4 scum suspicions, correct? You should find him null.

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Yes. Shall I rephrase? She is focusing on looking townish. That's not something Town ought to be too worried about.
I didn't say it was a scumslip. I said it was a Mafia slip. If you were reading you might have picked up on my explanation of this too.

yeah that attack was pretty fucking scummy.

honey bee, noctan, marquis.
are you #4, gm? mollie certainly thinks you are.

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Did you forget that GM replaced Syryana? Because GM is on my top four.

I'm talking about why you read Syryana as town before he replaced out.

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Vote: NoctanNights

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im gonna go read some iso's now.

can't wait for you to finish.

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thank you bert!

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noc could you do me a favor
and claim?

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I think Noctan's replace-out puts the "quick meltdowns as a form of manipulation" to rest, so I'm OK with his inconsistent thought processes and batshit logic for now.

Saki, your case on me was shit. It's OMGUS. It's bad. And now you're saying I'm scum for fluffing. Fluffing=PL.

Is there a reason you've been fluffing so much? You have the power to save the game yourself; I don't think you need Jesus in this particular mafia game.

Hmm Wisdom seems pretty town so far

Maybe I should vote him then?

No, he's probably just town.

Mollie why did you have NN claim at L-3?

That was Nacho. I suspected him for a while and I valued the reaction having him claim would bring.

So ok, Wisdom thinks i'm scum off gut, i figured he's still paranoid about Marathons.

I guess he's not scum then...

Could you explain this?

btw Sakura I just checked our marathons and the only one I misread you and "made you mad" was Lucky's that got cancelled.
So still an exaggeration.

I don't think she'd lie about verifiable information.

Your votes so far have been fine except for maybe the mala one but you haven't done anything alarming to me.

What was wrong with the Mala vote?

lol cute.

I don't like you discrediting Marquis's read here.

She also tries to gather towncred with every opportunity (such as teaching/coaching - 1005 is a good recent example).

This isn't anything close to Sakura-scum's playstyle, and generally isn't a scumtell in general. Bert noted that Sakura also looked like she was trying to gather towncred, but, surprisingly enough, not everything that is generically town is scum going for towncred. Sometimes it's just town. "Active scum hunting the other team" says nothing; who is she protecting? I also don't give a shit about the slip.

Malakittens is also scum. First of all, she posts less frequently than she does as town - ironically something she tries to accuse goodmorning of. Then most of her posts are fluffy, nonsensical that she later excuses as cranky, or general statements without many commitments and without really participating in discussions.

I agree that Mala hasn't been as involved as I'd like her to be this game. I don't really think being fluffy/nonsensical is a scumtell, though.

Really weird, as is her call for a policy lynch out of nowhere.

I have no idea what she was trying to say there either.

goodmorning is not scum. I disagree with notscience that she did not help the game progress - her reads are good, and the Sakura mafiaslip she spotted is most likely accurate.

It's not a townread that I can come close to trusting if you cannot continue to hold it even if her reads are bad.

Saki notably has a playstyle that reminds me very much of mine (such as wanting to withheld townreads, posting a lot, and other stuff), and I'm quite sure that's town.

Also, deathtunneling on town. The

same

town, no less.

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Vote: Honey Bee

I think I'm most comfortable voting here again.

You never 'splained why you wanted everyone to claim, and I'm not liking your votes so far.

Both of these issues Honey had with Noctan were misrepresentations based on the RVS. "Not liking his votes so far" was particularly strange, considering every single one of his votes was made during the RVS.

quote="In post 323, Honey bee"]No, the reason why I voted him was that

I didn't like his vote on marquis for random voting

when he had been making nonsense votes around that time as well,[/quote]
Bolded is a brand new reason that came out when Honey Bee was questioned about her vote on Noctan, and I don't really like it. It's also another misrep of Noctan; he never said shit about voting Marquis for any reason but Honey Bee acted like he did.

And yeah any other reads I have are gut I don't wanna throw out because I don't like to throw out reads without justification. Nobody else has done anything I'd vote on.

That's cool, but... why are you expecting Noctan to have a bunch of reads if you don't have any yourself?

and your scum reads right now are saki, gm, and marquis, right? I'm cool with the last two, but defensiveness and tunneling aren't scummy, and I don't think you've ever went anywhere with it.

Why is Noctan getting a Saki read wrong so bad while NS and Sakura doing the same thing earlier completely OK?

Again, why would you even have such a strong read on someone when you see where the other side comes from,

What does this even mean?

and marquis sheesh what are you even doing? Do you have plans on ever making an effort in this thread? You weren't this bad in our other game :/

I thought he got quicklynched in that game.

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Vote: Honey Bee

I think I'm most comfortable voting here again.

You never 'splained why you wanted everyone to claim, and I'm not liking your votes so far.

Both of these issues Honey had with Noctan were misrepresentations based on the RVS. "Not liking his votes so far" was particularly strange, considering every single one of his votes was made during the RVS.

No, the reason why I voted him was that

I didn't like his vote on marquis for random voting

when he had been making nonsense votes around that time as well,

Bolded is a brand new reason that came out when Honey Bee was questioned about her vote on Noctan, and I don't really like it. It's also another misrep of Noctan; he never said shit about voting Marquis for any reason but Honey Bee acted like he did.

And yeah any other reads I have are gut I don't wanna throw out because I don't like to throw out reads without justification. Nobody else has done anything I'd vote on.

That's cool, but... why are you expecting Noctan to have a bunch of reads if you don't have any yourself?

and your scum reads right now are saki, gm, and marquis, right? I'm cool with the last two, but defensiveness and tunneling aren't scummy, and I don't think you've ever went anywhere with it.

Why is Noctan getting a Saki read wrong so bad while NS and Sakura doing the same thing earlier completely OK?

Again, why would you even have such a strong read on someone when you see where the other side comes from,

What does this even mean?

and marquis sheesh what are you even doing? Do you have plans on ever making an effort in this thread? You weren't this bad in our other game :/

I thought he got quicklynched in that game.

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Im just me.

Nacho, what do you think of wisdom?

I think that Wisdom's town. Mollie disagrees.

She didn't lie, she exaggerated. We only have one completed game together in which we both scumread each other and were both town. In marathons however I only hardtunneled on her one time and I was not town.

And you can't see why you pushing on her again when she's town makes her paranoid?

You also hardtunneld me on Micro 198 with the reasoning "You're scum" , to the point of making me self-hammer as town out of frustration and rage, tho I've promised myself to not ever self-vote again...

Not to mention ^^^this is enough for paranoia on its own.

Turns out I was led on and lied to all school year, the person said "I want a long-term relationship, I'd like to meet your parents, go on trips, live together" all that sweet stuff, and then turns out it was just a lie and I got an apology....so all the cuddling/hugging was just the person saying "I have no willpower, everything was a mistake"

Person just wanted sex on the side along with being friends, after all, and actually hooks up with people all the time I found out... :/

Doesn't work for me, so I left

sorry to hear that

So Nacho, you don't think that wisdom was trying to trap me for a mislynch?
I like your case on HB.

Not right now, no.

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50 I'm not sure on, but I have a light scumread on them at this point.

Is that light scumread from 242 still? Why did you dislike it?

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SAKURA DON'T YOU DARE

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SAKURA PLEASE SYRLICIOUS ALREADY LEFT ME I DON'T WANT TO LOSE YOU TOO

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please
wisdom was 100% correct when he said he had a playstyle like saki
because as either alignment
they tunnel the living shit out of people

please please please please please don't leave me

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sakura don't replace out

wis stfu you are being either super duper retarded or you are scum

sorry that was me

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SAKURAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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just ignore him

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It really seems forced to me that she wants to blacklist me just because of 2 games (and in this one she doesn't even know if I'm town). I could really see that as an act (and yes I've seen scum trying to fake a replace out like that before)

it could also be a genuine feeling.
why not hb?

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Since she didn't, I don't see why that couldn't have been an act, really.

was she expecting us to beg and plead for her to stay, then?

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What the fuck did you do wisdom

Nothing to warrant such an overreaction, that's why I think there's a good chance it was forced.

remember that game where I lynched TAM for a similar reason and you won because of it?

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sakura

normally you drive me up the wall but I feel like I am understanding you a little better.

now keep your eyes on me

do not look at wisdom

look at me. okay?

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but the point is that what he was doing was trying to use frustration from my tunneling on him to his favor by threatening he will replace out.

1) Maestro is more experienced than Sakura, thus it is more likely he would try a tactic like that.
2) Maestro is not an emotional player, although he does throw around rage cards a lot. He is not known for getting frustrated under pressure. Sakura is.
3) Maestro did not threaten to blacklist you. I find non-genuine threats of being blacklisting to be on the absolute lowest of mafia tactics because I believe blacklisting is a be all end all type of move. I pushed DGB in Voided Nightless and she threatened to blacklist me for tunneling on her in the way I did. I backed the fuck off because that was ridiculous, she was town.
4) There were not early signs of a meltdown in Maestro's replace out. You started tunneling him and he got bullshitty. There were early signs of a meltdown here that mollie suspects you for missing.

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For a start, and because it doesn't sound like Town-Nacho.

Don't stop there. Why doesn't it sound like Town-Nacho?

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SCUM

You see a melt-down and this is your response? Really...?

Are you saying deathtunneling isn't a valid playstyle?
And for that matter are you saying Saki doesn't have a valid playstyle?

what the fuck does this have to do with anything

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Now can we vote Mala?

No. I'm killing Honey bee (who even you know to be scum) and the only real reason why you aren't voting her is to continue being a rebel.

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I would assume because you aren't Town.

You don't have any actual reasoning then? I expected you would have something considering the games we've played together are:
Newbie 1305 (you were scum and I lynched you)
Duck Duck Goose (I was scum and I killed you before you replaced in)
Beginning of the End (You were SK and correctly read me as town but you weren't sure on that read at all)
Modless Mafia (I was in a hydra and scum. You ignored me and didn't give any read, I killed you N1).

So you haven't demonstrated any capability of being able to read me ESPECIALLY since we've never had a game where you've caught me out as scum or we've been town together and you've correctly identified me as town. So "this isn't town Nacho" isn't going to cut it; explain yourself.

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Nacho are you confident in reading Mala so far this game?

Not really. I'll need to see more eventually, but I don't particularly think she's scum.

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She's been posting a bit more so I'm starting to think my initial scum read on her is wrong.

if it was based on lurking yeah it sucked
can you vote honey bee now?

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jesus fucking christ gm should be powerlynched like a mofo

so gm you say you are scumreading nacho? meaning you can tell us apart?

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In Duck Duck Goose I was quite sure you were Scum the entire game and made that quite clear in the dead thread. In BotE I was insanely paranoid.
I've already said I have a hard time reading you in hydra.

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/mAg49LkPDM5K

one mention of me in your scumteam and I'm not even your strongest read

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So posting fluff is a scum tell?

When you're doing absolutely nothing else, yes.
What are your current scumreads? Why?

I'm getting town reads - I'm actually doing something.

I'm also pressuring some people.

I see Marquis as scum.

Saw GM as scum, but recent posts changed my mind

.

I had a mild scum read on your slot, but my mind has changed.

I'm not liking NS.

I feel Saku & Saki are possible town.

Mollie/nacho are town, town & town.

The rest are null and really need to post.

Berts acting different than he did in the open game where he self hammered which made me incrediably annoyed.

why. cos her recent posts only reaffirm that she is indeed scum

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{Wisdom, 50, notscience, Bert, Saki, goodmorning}
What needs to happen is everyone in this block get a firm townread on everyone else in this block.
There are no scum in there.

(And I'd add Marquis too in there but I won't just yet)

goodmorning is scum in your town block!

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Only the fact that she wants to antagonize Nacho should prove she's not scum. Scum avoid doing that.

Not always.

Because she's actually posting and she doesn't really do this as scum.

Wow Ffuck if people are going to keep ninja'ing me with posts I'm going to bed

She's active enough for you after 16 posts?

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A lot more content than she provided in 16 posts of dinner party

Was dinner party multiball?

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Also, is she voting you or Nacho?

She's not. This makes it worse.

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jesus fucking christ gm should be powerlynched like a mofo

so gm you say you are scumreading nacho? meaning you can tell us apart?

Yet you are voting HoneyBee?

I love you Mollie, but really?

Predit- WISDOM
SHUT
THE
FUCK
UP.

it is nacho who is voting honey bee so don't even

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DONNER PARTY

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DONNER PARTY

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goodmorning is town, mollie.

Now vote Mala.

no gm most certainly is not but I am going to take it that she is your partner and you are going to try to power your way through to a win. best thing to do when your team is only 2.

fuck yeah I want gm's head on a platter as soon as I catch fully up I will probably move our vote to her.

bert, sakura, I may wind up loving you both this game

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[quote="In post 1311, Malakittens"][/quote]
donner party, not dinner party.
i see what you mean, but she did end up having 84 posts in that game. don't you think more pressure to produce content and hunting another scumteam factors into her posting more just now? she's certainly not in step with everyone else here.

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wis do you really want to get into a pissing contest with me cos let me warn you I am in a mood and I do not mind up scum to a bloody pulp

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woo hoo!

I got my way in this.

VOTE: good morning

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fery can we plz have a vc

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nope sakura they are scum

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sakura wisdom's slot is a claimed VT, so that's pretty unlikely.

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we are lynching gm

saki do not listen wis who is probably scum, listen to me

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Please stop with the "Mala is scum, goodmorning is scum" with no reasoning. It's utterly useless and adds nothing to the thread. If you don't have anything to add to the thread, don't post.

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pedit: no reasoning? Are you fucking kidding me?

Now I'd like people to vote Mala.

Wanna vote Mala?

Now can we vote Mala?

Vote Mala with me and you'll see if it goes nowhere or not.

jesus fucking christ gm should be powerlynched like a mofo

thats not how "Mala" is spelled

goodmorning is town, mollie.

Now vote Mala.

lol

Vote Mala

Saki vote Mala

Were all of these necessary, Wisdom? No. They cluttered up the thread and started a yes no debate which adds absolutely nothing to anything. I would love to have a discussion with you but I'm pretty sure even people who aren't in this thread know your position so unless you have something new other than "look at this fluffposting!" I would prefer you kept it to yourself.

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Nacho have I given reasoning on why Mala is scum, yes or no?

Was that the point of my post?

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if one player is a town monk, how likely is it that the other monk is scum?

a little less than random.

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They are not more likely to be scum. They are a little less likely to be scum since only 2 scum (instead of 4) can be scum and occupy that slot.

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Basically everyone has a 4/13 chance of being scum. A mason has a 2/11 chance of being scum, as does a monk, which is the difference between 30% and 18%.

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I don't think we should have masons or monks claim until a certain scumfaction is dead.

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or if a mason/monk has a strong suspicion against their partner and it's based on QT interactions.

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50 shades - Where is Nacho I WANT NACHO SO I CAN JUST READ HIM AND GET IT OVER WITH
Oh, there's Nacho. I don't know that I like 242

I didn't like this because she has a scumread on me for not liking one of my posts, yet has never followed up on this to any extent except when I have specifically questioned her on her read of me here.

Also: IN MULTIBALL NOBODY GETS TOWNCRED FOR GOOD READS DUH

brb, laughing myself to death

Dude, a 1 for 1 on a weak townie is the shittiest tradeoff ever. Now if you were accusing me of doing that to the hydra or Mala, that would almost be a good strategy now that I think about it.

don't really like the discrediting here.

I think you're Town, but obvs weak since there's a big fucking wagon on you.

"I think you're town but not town enough for me to actually engage your wagon!" is generally a giant sign of white knighting.

I don't like that this is a policy lynch gaining traction at this point in the day.
What I like even less is you championing it.
But what I like least of all is the fact that I'm even considering getting on it.

Um.

People keep fluffposting for no discernable reason. Sakura is Scum, Mafia in particular. bee leans Scum. Mala leans Scum. Marquis is really fucking annoying.
50 I'm not sure on, but I have a light scumread on them at this point.

Oh, look. Not a single change from the original scumlist! Which means no reanalyzing, no second thoughts, no anything.

Primarily because Nacho. I'm fairly decent at being able to tell when he's Town, and I'm not getting townvibes off him

She's able to tell I am TOWN but has only gotten to read me as town once, when she was a serial killer and paranoid as shit. She then claims she can read me from a correct read on me as scum from a deadthread when a townie was her stronger 90% scum suspicion and I was an afterthought. When I ask her to describe specific meta tells, she gives me nothing because it's all a load of bullshit.

SCUM

Becomes incredibly confident that Sakura is scum, but doesn't engage the people calling her town at all. And when Wisdom moves off, what happens?

Regardless, it appears that bee is the only one of my scumreads with a shot at being lynched today, so

Vote: Honey bee

She opportunistically immediately goes to compromise.

@Bert: For a start, I already have seen her as Scum in N1379, which I continued to follow after my death. I also checked out two town games of hers (M198 and N1383) and one other Scum game (N1371). Her behaviour in this game has been most similar to her behaviour in 1371, imo.

@Wisdom: Fine.

Vote: Mala

PEDIT: LOL SELF-META

...twice. She is not sheeping me, trusting me, anything like that. She is voting with us because she doesn't think she can get Sakura lynched on her own even though she hasn't appealed to a single person about the case.

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you can vote people with similar playstyles to you without being hypocritical.
the real question is why do you care about being hypocritical?

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In this case I don't see you pushing on anyone you should know better, other than me, but I still get the same feeling.

the same feeling. really.
i thought you just didn't feel town nacho, not that you felt scum nacho.

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so gm you say you are scumreading nacho? meaning you can tell us apart?

I have a very basic sense of which is which, I think.

one mention of me in your scumteam and I'm not even your strongest read

At that point you were. That read was mostly based on your Hiraki push, because he was obvTown and you would have known it.
In this case I don't see you pushing on anyone you should know better, other than me, but I still get the same feeling.

(also mollie stop pretending to be nacho)

gm proves that she can't tell us apart itt

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FUCK NO YOU GUYS GET YOUR VOTES OFF BERT RIGHT NOW

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ns is it true?

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inb4 gm takes the parentheses as another scumslip saying im wolf with bert.

You can't be wolf, I've already seen you wolfhunting.

I can confirm that we are masons, and that I facepalmed a shitton. I don't think he's a wolf though.

STFU SAKI

@Sakura: What's scummy about claiming mason when you've already implied the shit out of it?

and you know who would notice something like that a wolf that is who

jesus fucking christ gm is scum wtf do they need to do for you dummies to see this

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inb4 gm takes the parentheses as another scumslip saying im wolf with bert.

You can't be wolf, I've already seen you wolfhunting.

and you know who would notice something like that a wolf that is who

If she'd been Mafiahunting I'd have noticed that too. These are the most basic multiball tells. One ought always to look out for them.

do you know what one of the biggest mistakes that scum make especially on d1? when they claim skills beyond their level.

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note that 50SOP is probably the most highly regarded player in this game therefore people would obviously consider their opinion with weight

When it's Nacho posting, yes.
When it's mollie, I'd advise against it.

^definitely gm's partner

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Here's the thing though

Why would mafia go through all the trouble to tear everyone apart

Wouldn't it be safer to WK the fuck out of people

because town moves in herds. it is town's job to find each other and it is scum's job to sow confusion and keep that from happening. I explained this in another game do you want a link

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I see myself as a weaker voice because I don't have very much experience on this site. More experienced players are less likely to consider what I have to say, and actually seem to prefer conversations that exclude me. Often, I bring up who I think is scum, and it gets largely ignored, or blown off as me giving off lots of noise rather than actually hunting scum.
The suffocation of a weak voice refers to when people discredit me, or other players who aren't given much town-merit. Something along the lines of what Orc is doing, where he considers everything I have to say as absurd, rather than, you know, holding some sort of content or approach. It's especially bad when personal assaults are tied in, as it makes me not want to do work for town because town doesn't care/will treat me like crap whenever I do. The same goes for people treating other players that way. Suffocation is a way of keeping town that could have a say from wanting to participate, and, therefore, reads as scummy to me.
I feel I am a weak voice because I can't start a wagon, no matter how much evidence or text or effort I pour into it. I can put a vote, but people won't buy it unless it's backed by one of the 'bigger' players.

okay I think I can help here cos I know what is like to feel left out. and I don't mean crazy in a pejorative way, I think orc is batshit insane sometimes but I love him and love playing with him.

what is happening is that nacho/orc/mac/us all have town reads on each other and are actively trying to work together. imagine all of us huddled in a group, facing out with guns cocked and loaded....moving in a herd. it would take a cop read for us to back from our town reads on each other. if you do any online gaming nacho is tanking, mac and I are dpsing and orc is guarding our rear with a cannon. nacho is trying to pull people in and move scum out. we are trying bottleneck scum's options by not giving them any room to hide. we are trying to pave the way for a town win.

what makes a strong player is not starting and leading bws or running gambits. what makes a strong player are players who know how to find town and work with others so that town can control the lynches, not scum. different people lead at different times and play different roles and all of those are necessary and good. town wins as a team and loses as a team. when people play their roles well, town wins.

town generally moves in herds, that is why it is scums job to get in there stir up wifom and get the herd dispersed and disorganised

. we are trying to make that does not happen. ever.

stop it with the gambits all those usually do is give scum room to hide, stop sulking cos you feel like no one is listening to you or following you and come join our team cos nacho wants to give you a gun but I am afraid you will shoot us in the back over ungrounded paranoia. but w/e...from here on out it is your choice.

I hope this makes sense.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... s#p4989223

probably one of my stronger games other than when I led town to a flawless victory in micros. it is what makes wis's attempts to discredit so funny. there is a reason why nacho will listen to me mebbe people ought to think about that.

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Maybe i should have replaced out...
I'm just gonna add Wisdom to foe list so i dont have to read his posts...

I am quite honestly considering doing this too.

and if he is town then I am going to blacklist him too. first person I will have ever done that to.

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Why mollie? Because after you lost to me you decided to scumread me in every game? Sure, if that's a reason to blacklist me because you can't read me anymore, go right ahead.

nope. cos you are being ass and if you really think that my game is that bad and you are going to discredit me in games

as town

then I don't want to be anywhere the fuck near you.

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Yes I think your game is fucking bad if you're going to tunnel on me in every fucking game when I'm fucking obviously town, mollie.

I wasn't tunneling on you. in fact I was town reading you up until that point. your town read on is gm is fucking terrible and trying to discredit my push for her wagon

when she is most definitely scum

yeah you fucking better be scum cos if you are town I don't want to be anywhere near you.

I was holding back from this piece but I scumread syrlacious too. I think I even told nacho "watch him replace out".

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Are you a daycop, mollie? No? Then how the fuck do you know that she is most definitely scum? Am I not allowed to have different reads than you? Have your reads been 100% accurate always? Do you consider the possibility you're wrong?

I have to be scum because I have a different read than you? I have to be scum because I cannot stand you reading me wrong all the time when I'm certain you're town?

Okay, mollie. You'll have to blacklist me, because I'm not scum.

I am not saying you

have

to be I am saying you better be.

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unvote

Vote: Wisdom

If this is your townplay, bah... no words lol because that would be hard to swallow

if you trust my read then why are you not voting gm.

and what was it that you were thinking that I was thinking too?

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Sigh. I'll try to correct what I did because I can see how you found it offensive.

@everyone
I said something like "Trust only Nacho, don't trust mollie" in a post. Don't take that too seriously. mollie is an excellent scumhunter, however sometimes she is silly and stubborn about some things. I certainly did not mean to say that you should never listen to what she's saying.

@mollie
I apologise if it offended you. I was (and am) just annoyed that you keep hardtunneling on me and I know that the reason is your loss in Polygamy. I know you'll snap out of it after you see me flip town a couple of times, but it keeps annoying me regardless. I did not mean to discredit your skill or prompt people not to take you seriously

in general

. I did however mean and believe that you're being silly and stubborn

in this game

and people should take your posts with a grain of salt.
Again, sorry.

I accept your apology and thank you.

I think you are being stubborn about gm the same way you were stubborn about mantis in chosen.

I really think she is scum and I wish you would bend at least a little on this.

I have some other things to say and I will once I confer with nacho and think you will them. but I have a very specific reason as to why I want gm lynched today it is because I think she is the most dangerous.

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Why do they call it a blacklist

Why not a whitelist

Or Yellowlist

Or mexicanlist

personally I think it should be called an antartica list cos really who wants to go there

eta: no

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hey bert I asked you a question

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eta: no

Was that to my question? Do you agree or disagree?

yes that was an answer to your question and I disagree.

@ bert

I want you to explain why you think gm is scummy

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6 pages. 6 pages of LOL IDC WISDOM SUCKS N STUFF.

This game is getting ridiculous. HITF am I supposed to keep up with this shit?

oh plz. I am pretty sure that you have been in high-volume games before. I sometimes follow fery's games so

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Ok, why do you disagree?

I answered this. gm is more dangerous. head before the ass

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How is she being dangerous explains what I asked?
Did you even think what I asked through?

I'll repeat;
Masons can wolfhunt each other.
Masons have a less chance of flipping scum since they're conf not mafia.
Thus we are better off lynching outside the masons.

Where do you disagree?

because we want to hit scum. wolf and mafia are counter to our wc why is this so hard to understand

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because we want to hit scum. wolf and mafia are counter to our wc why is this so hard to understand

That's exactly what I'm telling you mollie. Masons cannot be mafia, and cannot be wolves together. Therefore they have LESS of a chance to flip scum. Even if one of them is, there are THREE others outside the masons. How is it against our wincon to hunt those three?

it isn't against our wc to hunt outside I am thinking that gm is more dangerous and the flip will shed some light

it needs to happen

goddammit

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@mollie
Please don't be stubborn.
Bert is scum. goodmorning is town.
But even if I am wrong about that, it's not wise to lynch from the masons. Relax for a while and think it through and you'll see it's right.

we are lynching gm and that is all I have to say

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@mollie
Please don't be stubborn.
Bert is scum. goodmorning is town.
But even if I am wrong about that, it's not wise to lynch from the masons. Relax for a while and think it through and you'll see it's right.

we are lynching gm and that is all I have to say

We are not lynching gm, mollie.

want to make a bet

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Wisdom:

There is a very dramatic difference between someone antagonizing me and someone being inconsistent with their read on me. When people are antagonizing me, paranoid of me, ATTACKING ME, that is fantastic that is wonderful I love it. When a GOOD player like goodmorning pulls a weak scumread on me and cannot properly describe it (most of the time, even "I don't trust you" satisfies me. that's not what happened here), it's usually scum trying to capitalize on the "scum wouldn't attack me" cred. And you can trust me on this because I am Nacho and I am used to how scum deals with me, believe it or not.

Here's the original:

50 shades - Where is Nacho I WANT NACHO SO I CAN JUST READ HIM AND GET IT OVER WITH
Oh, there's Nacho. I don't know that I like 242

Which isn't even antagonizing me in the first place. "I don't know that I like 242" is nothing close to an actual scumread on me (or a read, really) which is why I prodded it in the first place.

For a start, and because it doesn't sound like Town-Nacho.

goodmorning's response to "why didn't you like 242"? Important because she's only read me as town once correctly in a game where she was SK and I was town and still she wasn't sure at all. What's important is that goodmorning here doesn't have a good baseline for Nacho-town, she has a good baseline for Nacho-scum. So, this is inconsistent with my experiences with her.

I would assume because you aren't Town.

(not interested in explaining her read on me at all is ALWAYS a bad bad sign)

In Duck Duck Goose I was quite sure you were Scum the entire game and made that quite clear in the dead thread. In BotE I was insanely paranoid.
I've already said I have a hard time reading you in hydra.

Duck Duck Goose bit was a lie!

At that point you were. That read was mostly based on your Hiraki push, because he was obvTown and you would have known it.
In this case I don't see you pushing on anyone you should know better, other than me, but I still get the same feeling.

And it's funny she says she's getting the same feeling of Nacho-scum here. Because originally, I just didn't feel like the Nacho-town she was used to, but she lost that too. And she says that she thought I was scum because I was pushing on obvtown and apparently there was a feeling that went along with that and although I'm not making the same strange pushes I still have that same scum feeling.

At that point, yes. That was several hours ago. At this point I've read rather more of the game (read: your entire ISO).

And this doesn't really make any sense either. It wasn't three hours ago, it was two days ago when she pulled the town-Nacho card and apparently she hasn't read our ISO since then and hasn't gotten any more caught up or felt any differently about the read since then despite the line of questioning on it.

so her read is inconsistent and bullshit and fabricated and no i don't think goodmorning is town.

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an example being his selfvote on page2 for reactions

NS has been doing an active lurking lately that doesn't share this perspective.

I want more from Scott, Rach and MeowMix. I want to see Marquis and Notscience post something of usefulness. I want HoneyBee to post more things so I can get a better read on her too. Is any of the above too much to ask?

Pretty much this.

Actually scratch that.
I realize that I might be wrong about Bert.

You're not.

I get the impression he's just sheeping/buddying people - especially 50 and me.

He is. That's not a scumtell for Bert.

DrCirno's slot

All DrCirno has done is give reads, which, even if genuine, don't really matter because multiball. How are you feeling better about her so early?

I'll note however how easily Sakura changed from Bert to goodmorning just because mollie started shouting - she wants to lynch either to clear the other, it should make no difference to her, but she changed.

You know you're stuck deep in a tunnel when Sakura being more willing to sheep us than she is willing to sheep you surprises you.
Sorry babe, but.

When it's Nacho posting, yes.
When it's mollie, I'd advise against it.

I've been a big fan of pretending to be mollie this game so I'd just listen to both of us to be safe.

^This is the same person who thought I'm town who deathtunnels and wanted to blacklist me

She never called you town. She agreed with you when you said retarded deathtunnel.

Mala/Honey Bee/Sakura/Bert

game solved

>.>
you're devolving, wisdom.

You mean like how for the first time ever I decided to try and make a townblock and you all kept scumreading each other and ignored me?

I'm still fine with the townblock if you take gm out!

50: Do you know if we can use WotC in this situation?

Wisdom of the Crowds only works in signups. Just continue to ignore him, keep your eyes on us.

Nacho, do you agree we should not lynch from the masons today?

I could not lynch from the masons today if you're willing to work on me with some things.

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Sigh.
Putting my tunneling lens away for a second, I'll admit I didn't like how goodmorning hesitated to scumread Bert (when you know, they're mason buddies, and if she knows herself town there's a good chance Bert is wolf). It could point to the fact that if goodmorning is the wolf, she wouldn't want Bert lynched because a Bert townflip would put much more suspicion on her.

ty

was that so hard

^us

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I could not lynch from the masons today if you're willing to work on me with some things.

For example, Bert is not scum. Sakura is not scum. Those two are ridiculously town and if you ever end up lynching them after I'm gone I'm going to strangle you. I can maybe drop goodmorning scum for now, but that means there's scum elsewhere and I'm not really sure that scum is Mala. You say scum don't like antagonizing me? They also don't like antagonizing you, considering you're always present and Mala has been antagonizing the hell out of you this game. She knows mollie and I won't defend her like we will defend Bert, Sakura unless she steps up to full town potential, but she doesn't really care. Meaning that if GM isn't scum, we're looking at scum in NS, DrCirno, Marangal (three great choices). I'm not convinced of Rach-scum, really, but I seem to read her as town a bit too much so I don't trust myself on that front.

But again, Bert is not scum. Sakura is not scum.

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She never called you town. She agreed with you when you said retarded deathtunnel.

Are you serious now Nacho? She wants to blacklist me because tunneling yet she considers me scum at the same time?

she's trusting me on my read on you.
she has never called you town.w

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I do.

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But I still want you to do me a favor wisdom because this game reached a point with a rocky road and I don't want this game to be so rough.

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Nacho!

hello!

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I repeat. Is it possible for someone to consider someone scum, yet want to blacklist them for tunneling? Doesn't being scum excuse the tunneling?

For some people, sure. For others, not so much. Sometimes they think that tunneling and making them break and manipulating them in that way is a bullshit move regardless of alignment, and so they will blacklist you.

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but that means there's scum elsewhere and I'm not really sure that scum is Mala. You say scum don't like antagonizing me? They also don't like antagonizing you, considering you're always present and Mala has been antagonizing the hell out of you this game. She knows mollie and I won't defend her like we will defend Bert, Sakura unless she steps up to full town potential, but she doesn't really care

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And I mean when you are trying to figure out "is she really blacklisting because she doesn't like me or is she blacklisting to manipulate", I would suggest you just back the fuck down. If you miss a scumread on someone because they are threatening to blacklist you and you don't push on them despite that, then there's literally no way that you could have played that differently without risking actually bothering someone beyond the spirit out of the game. So please, just back off because if Sakura is using that to manipulate you as scum then she's crossed far too many lines already.

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Look. I'm telling her she's going next and she's like "cool". Sort of how she was like "fuck you wisdom" in this game.

Right, but here she's just going fuck you wisdom and doing nothing else, which she knows will antagonize you. There, she pulled the fuck you wisdom card but had no problems defending herself against other people, doing normal scumhunting, etc. There wasn't ever a problem of you pushing her and then her just fluffing in that game.

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but that means there's scum elsewhere and I'm not really sure that scum is Mala. You say scum don't like antagonizing me? They also don't like antagonizing you, considering you're always present and Mala has been antagonizing the hell out of you this game. She knows mollie and I won't defend her like we will defend Bert, Sakura unless she steps up to full town potential, but she doesn't really care

but that means there's scum elsewhere and I'm not really sure that scum is Mala. You say scum don't like antagonizing me? They also don't like antagonizing you, considering you're always present and Mala has been antagonizing the hell out of you this game. She knows mollie and I won't defend her like we will defend Bert, Sakura unless she steps up to full town potential, but she doesn't really care

but that means there's scum elsewhere and I'm not really sure that scum is Mala. You say scum don't like antagonizing me? They also don't like antagonizing you, considering you're always present and Mala has been antagonizing the hell out of you this game. She knows mollie and I won't defend her like we will defend Bert, Sakura unless she steps up to full town potential, but she doesn't really care

but that means there's scum elsewhere and I'm not really sure that scum is Mala. You say scum don't like antagonizing me? They also don't like antagonizing you, considering you're always present and Mala has been antagonizing the hell out of you this game. She knows mollie and I won't defend her like we will defend Bert, Sakura unless she steps up to full town potential, but she doesn't really care

but that means there's scum elsewhere and I'm not really sure that scum is Mala. You say scum don't like antagonizing me? They also don't like antagonizing you, considering you're always present and Mala has been antagonizing the hell out of you this game. She knows mollie and I won't defend her like we will defend Bert, Sakura unless she steps up to full town potential, but she doesn't really care

here is my answer to your question, mara!
no i do not think mala is scum.

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What about Sakura

Read the rest of the game and then talk to me about Sakura.

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AKA STRONG TOWN:
{Wisdom, Bert, Sakura Hana}

TOWN:
{Mala, Saki, diginova}

LEAN TOWN:
{RachMarie}

LEAN SCUM:
{notscience}

SCUM:
{goodmorning, Ms Marangal, DrCirno}

LEFTOVER:
{Scott Brosius}

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Yeah no hammering plz I like long days and id rather not have someone lolhammer now UNVOTE: bbl

ITT: My predecessor is so Obv town for doing this.

Vote: Ms Marangal

Wisdom, please.

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please please please please please.

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please wisdom lynch this scum with me pleasepleaseplease

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i have to go now but please wisdom
please

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Oh

Hey

Darksouls

no this isn't based on an amished tell
this is based on you being scum as fuck, love <3

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I did and I disagree

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that syr/gm should be a town read