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Oblivion, I have a question for you. How do you feel about how your interrogation of Firebagel [didn't] resolve? How are you reading her?-
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I've seen players come to that kind of perspective on two players pretty often, when I'm not playing on that level at that point. I think it's a difference in how I form reads. Neuterhalf and I are in agreement on Dunn for now, so I'm probably not looking to go there next if Spiffeh flips scum.In post 1065, Oblivion wrote:
Really? It felt quite the opposite. The reason it asked is because you earmarked Spiffeh for scum and from its current engagements with Spiffeh, it has an internal note to flip Dunnstraal if Spiffeh is scum.In post 1064, morph the cat wrote:
I think Dunnstral's been scumhunting and pushing people pretty hard once there was more to sink his teeth into. My read had gone leantown before then but his reaction to Spiffeh re ActionDan made a pretty big positive impression.In post 1054, Oblivion wrote:
Sync Achieved indeed.In post 1053, morph the cat wrote: For me, Marci, Hermit Crab and Luke are the top three townreads.
Marci because she was so visibly uncomfortable and confused by her role/neighborhood and very suspicious of the hood until things began to click for her both within the hood and externally, in the game thread. I could see the gears turning (and grinding) in her posts. Everything about the way she revealed what was going on just built onto that foundation in a very natural and unstructured way. I also think that scum Marci would want to give us much more of a wide berth than she has.
Hermit Crab as a hidden hydra wouldn't go out of their way to support us as they have. There would be no need and we wouldn't think twice about a more cautious approach from an unknown quantity. And we're enough of a threat as scum that it would be a no-brainer to wait and see what town actually makes of us this game. There's also an incredible amount of mindmeld going on with Hermit Crab which I believe doesn't happen this way if they're scum.
Luke as town has a POV (that I don't want to discuss in detail because it's filed under competitive advantage) that we feel confident in reading when we see it. I interacted with him and pushed back at him long enough for us both to feel confident about that POV being present.
If I were pushing outside Marci's neighborhood, I'd be voting Spiffeh at the moment for this post. We discussed whether to vote in the dethy or outside of it before putting our Klick vote down. The deciding factor was the dethy players' preferences for cleaning their hood.
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My thought at the time of your interactions was "awfully cheeky if scum", hence mild townlean. I wasn't sure if you were "done for now", though. Now I am.In post 1070, Oblivion wrote:
It did actually answer this when it returned to poke at Spiffeh. It isn't able to 100% lock it down yet, but for us, we are unwilling to kill Bagel for the moment. It thinks the slot is town. It thinks if that slot is scum it would have to have been coached to do what it did, and it has a lock on the current mental model. It won't expect that coaching to last the whole game, and so.... it expects to be able to generate a 100% lock down on it within 2 game days. So it won't kill them today and it will be able to affirm or discard its current townread on that slot by tomorrow, it thinks. It feels relatively confident.In post 1067, morph the cat wrote: Oblivion, I have a question for you. How do you feel about how your interrogation of Firebagel [didn't] resolve? How are you reading her?-
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Marci, Std, Klick, ActionDan, Sunflower.In post 1073, Oblivion wrote:
Disappointing.In post 1072, morph the cat wrote:
I've seen players come to that kind of perspective on two players pretty often, when I'm not playing on that level at that point. I think it's a difference in how I form reads. Neuterhalf and I are in agreement on Dunn for now, so I'm probably not looking to go there next if Spiffeh flips scum.In post 1065, Oblivion wrote:
Really? It felt quite the opposite. The reason it asked is because you earmarked Spiffeh for scum and from its current engagements with Spiffeh, it has an internal note to flip Dunnstraal if Spiffeh is scum.In post 1064, morph the cat wrote:
I think Dunnstral's been scumhunting and pushing people pretty hard once there was more to sink his teeth into. My read had gone leantown before then but his reaction to Spiffeh re ActionDan made a pretty big positive impression.In post 1054, Oblivion wrote:
Sync Achieved indeed.In post 1053, morph the cat wrote: For me, Marci, Hermit Crab and Luke are the top three townreads.
Marci because she was so visibly uncomfortable and confused by her role/neighborhood and very suspicious of the hood until things began to click for her both within the hood and externally, in the game thread. I could see the gears turning (and grinding) in her posts. Everything about the way she revealed what was going on just built onto that foundation in a very natural and unstructured way. I also think that scum Marci would want to give us much more of a wide berth than she has.
Hermit Crab as a hidden hydra wouldn't go out of their way to support us as they have. There would be no need and we wouldn't think twice about a more cautious approach from an unknown quantity. And we're enough of a threat as scum that it would be a no-brainer to wait and see what town actually makes of us this game. There's also an incredible amount of mindmeld going on with Hermit Crab which I believe doesn't happen this way if they're scum.
Luke as town has a POV (that I don't want to discuss in detail because it's filed under competitive advantage) that we feel confident in reading when we see it. I interacted with him and pushed back at him long enough for us both to feel confident about that POV being present.
If I were pushing outside Marci's neighborhood, I'd be voting Spiffeh at the moment for this post. We discussed whether to vote in the dethy or outside of it before putting our Klick vote down. The deciding factor was the dethy players' preferences for cleaning their hood.
What are your thoughts on Dunnstraal?
Let's discuss the 4 non marci members of the neighbourhood. Can you re-enlighten it about those names? It was STD... ugh.
I'm concerned about Sunflower too. Would very much like to conclude at least one of Klick, Sunflower are town before much longer.
We've wondered where the Jupiter head of Sunflower is. Would like to see some of his posts soonish.-
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I'd really like to understand where your Marci read comes from, and why you have that entire hood below the no-shows.In post 1075, Shello and Goodbye wrote:
i think that people are voting the two most likely wolves in the dethyhood and also the sunflower wagon looks a lot worse than the klick one does fmpov. people will probably coalesce on one of the two soonishIn post 1071, Oblivion wrote:
What is your thoughts on how the current game state looks from a voting standpoint? This question is open ended, interpet it however you like and provide that answer.In post 1066, Shello and Goodbye wrote: i am trying to make a readslist but it is very hard and a lot of this game feels like jello. ama for like 10 mins
i'm using this as a jumping board to post a really ?? reads list. this is without reading back too much and feeling out the Shape of the game in my mind instead
Hermit Crab (anonymous hydra)
Lukewarm
morph the cat (fferyllt & Cabd)
Dunnstral
Firebringer
Gypyx
PenguinPower
Oblivion
Cat Scratch Fever
Dannflor
Spiffeh
PookyTheMagicalBear
Brian Skies
Firebagel
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SirCakez
Bingle
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marcistar
ActionDan
Save the Dragons
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Can you give a sense of where they slot in overall?In post 1083, Shello and Goodbye wrote: i'm listing the neighborhood independently from my main reads it's not that they're all that low lol-
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I meant where they'd individually fall in your overall reads list or tier list if that's how you're sorting.In post 1093, Shello and Goodbye wrote:
- having the context of why marci's been talking about being afraid this game and worried and etc makes more sense to me and i dont think she would handle it this way if she were a wolf or idek if she would be ableIn post 1087, morph the cat wrote:
Can you give a sense of where they slot in overall?In post 1083, Shello and Goodbye wrote: i'm listing the neighborhood independently from my main reads it's not that they're all that low lol
- actiondan isnt wolfy to me really i think back to that post where he voted marci and that just is town to me. i think he would be playing a little sloppy if he were a wolf too with how he handled the miller stuff it falls apart very easily. wolves Can Be Sloppy but... eh?
- already explained dragons
- klick and sunflower are kind of in the same place here by virtue of the other three being townier i think, dragons is contentious because of no in-thread but trusting what's going on in the neighborhood instead. going strictly off of wagon i think sunflower is the town between these two and i dont think fire plays midsummer 2 here as an opener
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You sound so burnt out on mafia.In post 1104, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: man im just not going to talk to the asshole half of this game
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In post 1114, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
nah i was having fun chilling with people b4 the insults started flying out of nowhere this is mostly a chill plIn post 1110, morph the cat wrote: You sound so burnt out on mafia.
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What's yours?In post 1138, Firebringer wrote:In post 1131, Firebringer wrote: hey pooky, whats ur opinion on actiondan-
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Only what you show me.In post 1140, Firebringer wrote:
I thought you knew everything!In post 1139, morph the cat wrote:
What's yours?In post 1138, Firebringer wrote:In post 1131, Firebringer wrote: hey pooky, whats ur opinion on actiondan-
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You're voting him. Apparently based on the miller thing. Is there more?In post 1143, Firebringer wrote:
Thats a weak superpowerIn post 1141, morph the cat wrote:
Only what you show me.In post 1140, Firebringer wrote:
I thought you knew everything!In post 1139, morph the cat wrote:
What's yours?In post 1138, Firebringer wrote:In post 1131, Firebringer wrote: hey pooky, whats ur opinion on actiondan-
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I'm leaving for a few hours, starting now.In post 1149, Oblivion wrote: It would rather resolve this bullshit here and now and move the fuck on and not have to stretch this out over the course of a game and you doing things PAST this means it will have to come back and read this shit to try and sort you so for the LOVE of god.-
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Thoughts?In post 1189, Brian Skies wrote: I may have skipped some of Pooky v Oblivion, but otherwise have caught up.
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What do you think about the other hood?In post 1201, Brian Skies wrote:
I suppose I'll start with Dethy hood since that is the popular topic so far.In post 1192, morph the cat wrote:
Thoughts?In post 1189, Brian Skies wrote: I may have skipped some of Pooky v Oblivion, but otherwise have caught up.
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If there were a consensus scumread out of that hood, then I'd be amenable to the idea of eliminating there. However, only some of the players (Marci, Klick, Sunflower) from that hood are really giving much outside of their hood for the rest of us to generate a read on them. STD and Dan haven't really given much. Granted, it's still early and this can change.
Of the five in the hood, I'd probably only have Marci outside my would-lynch pile. And I've generally felt Sunflower and Klick to be slightly more towny than STD and Dan. But this is just based on what I can see in thread and not 'he-said-she-said' from the neighborhood.
I don't think it would be a bad thing to eliminate outside of the Dethy hood if there isn't a consensus elimination. If it's the Dethy I'm thinking of, then eliminating potential cops in the hood without getting at least a result from them would make deciphering sanities more difficult later. And it would force the scumteam to focus down that hood for us.
I disagree with Dan and think a miller fits with a Dethy neighborhood. Unless he just thinks it doesn't fit the overall theme. And I've generally liked CSF's play today.
And what are your thoughts about players not in the hoods?
A lot has happened that you weren't around to react to. I feel like the thread could really use some more content from you.-
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And your thought's on Pooky?In post 1209, Brian Skies wrote: I'm going to be honest, I spent most of today just trying to catch up that I don't remember a lot that's happened outside of the Dethy hood. From what I do remember:
The other hood hasn't claimed anything of note mechanically. Looking back, that hood is [Spiffeh, Dunn, Crab, Bingle, Cakez, Firepup]. I think Spiffeh, Dunn, and Crab are town. Two of these players haven't even posted yet. Firepup seems busy/sick.
Outside of the hood, I have liked Shellos and Luke. I'm not a fan of Oblivion, but I think that has more to do with Pooky vs. Oblivion than anything else gameplay-related.-
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Could you expand on your Spiffeh townread?In post 1211, Brian Skies wrote: Pooky is pretty null for me. He's mostly been pretty jokey and hasn't done anything that I would consider townish that I can remember.-
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In post 1215, Sunflower wrote: - after that point we're talking pretty openly. i think that the way std's thought process visibly developed in the hood looks really towny and is very well-faked if mafia. i think looking back at it again now, marci's is also pretty towny. AD i am like a little wary that his signaling to me/townreading to me was strange given his apparent mindset that scum would also be informed. klick and AD are the most suspicious to me,probably klick more at this point
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Have you played with scum-Klick before?In post 1221, Sunflower wrote: klick has just felt kinda positional play in response to all of this and is just not approaching things in the way i tend to expect him to solve. i think he tends to feel really pretty measured and reasonable and confident in his ability to read people and here he feels put on the back foot and the reads don't feel like they're coming naturally
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Tell us more.In post 1226, Sunflower wrote: as for main thread, crab and oblivion probably the biggest winners from this for me. both feel solidly town
dunnstral also i think felt pretty towny to me in his reactions to all this
pooky feels pretty on his own and i think the frustration over wasting thread space feels towny. a lot of the stuff with oblivion i think is pretty nai although i think sitting down and trying to sort things out was pro-town
spiffeh i think has been scummy
morph im not really at all sold on but if they're right on spiffeh then they're probably town i guess idk
luke i don't think has been exceptionally towny but i think it feels like he is trying to figure things out and approaching with curiosity rather than wanting to control things and that's enough for a townlean
firebringer posts have made very little effect on me and im not sure what that means for his alignment
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So you mind meld with our spiffeh take, but we're town only if it's a correct take? Nothing else coming from our slot has been indicative one direction or the other?In post 1226, Sunflower wrote:morph im not really at all sold on but if they're right on spiffeh then they're probably town i guess idk-
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Based upon summary of the hood by sunflower, they've all declared it as such.In post 1232, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: morph you know what would really annoy me
is if this game wasnt a dethy and it was just 5 random sanity town cops thrown in a hood and you just decided it was a dethy and the real shell game was the scum conning us into thinking this is a dethy and its not really a dethy
viewtopic.php?f=90&t=84557
cuz like im looking back at fakegod's dethy and its pretty explicitly stated that its a dethy but here we don't actually have an explicit statement that we're playing dethy.
and if the entire scum team is laughing at you doing this and we're going down this rabbit hole I'm gonna be so annoyed.-
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The process of figuring out sanities with a liar in the mix has a shell game aspect to it. And I think that aspect is compounded by the cop abilities being inventions (If I interpreted all that correctly).In post 1252, Klick wrote:
I think we are intended to assume the Dethy situationIn post 1249, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
What do you think Klick?In post 1246, Sunflower wrote:
i didn't ever think it was a for sure thing. i said it was the most elegant. but i am not particularly willing to take it for granted that we can make assumptions hereIn post 1244, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
I'm kind of confused. do you not think there's 1 scum in the hood anymore?In post 1239, Sunflower wrote: also we didn't decide it's a dethy we were like "hey this is kinda like dethy". which. it isn't dethy. can we stop pretending it's dethy im so tired
...though literally right this second it has occurred to me that the 'Shell Game' could be quite literal within the context of the Dethy, and there is no shell
I don't think marci, ActionDan, or STD are scum
I thought (and still think) that calling a game with a dethy-like component (and another large hood that we know relatively little about so far) a shell game makes sense.
I'm still kinda gnawing on what grpscum in the hood could mean as opposed to a traitor, though I initially thought that would be way overpowered.-
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Flips factor in. Calibrating together once on someone who dies soonish gives the array of results Calibrating a second time on someone the group agrees is not the same alignment as the first calibration has a *chance* of pinpointing the naive and paranoid results if that player also flips soonish.In post 1295, ActionDan wrote: 1. Morph since you have some experience, how long would it take to figure out reliabilites practically using the miller claim as calibration given the circumstances?
BUT, in this scenario where the abilities are inventions means that your hood can't reliably choose the ultimate target. And there's no guarantee you'd send inventions to only town.
To make calibration paramount, I think the best thing would be for the target choice to be a consensus decision including players who aren't in your hood. Whoever you send the inventions to would have to explain themselves if the choose to go against consensus in how they use their inventions.
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elaborate?In post 1256, Sunflower wrote: i think that town!klick is capable of finding scum!me. he did it very well recently
i think regardless of alignment he knows that he doesn't have reason to think im scum here
the difference is that i think if he's town he would also know that if we're both town there's a decent chance we can find each other. the fact that he doesn't have reason to think im scum would make him doubt. im on the other side here, not fully confident that klick is scum, and that makes me question AD and marci
the way that his reads on AD and marci progressed from hesitancy/uncertainty to full-on confidence isn't supported and just isn't really believable to me coming from town!klick
this is what i mean by calling the play positional. i think that those reads became solidified out of necessity and not out of justified reason. and i don't think that's how town!klick plays
Also, Klick/Marci/Dan/STD do you agree with sunflower's description of your hood's activities last night?
How so?In post 1261, Gypyx wrote: There is a third hood
How do you reconcile this with Ceph's warning about scum getting an advantage at some point down the line if they're still in the hood at that point.In post 1291, Klick wrote:
The thing I find most concerning about you personally is that your descriptions of my play don't match up with how I think of my own play at all.In post 1256, Sunflower wrote: i think that town!klick is capable of finding scum!me. he did it very well recently
i think regardless of alignment he knows that he doesn't have reason to think im scum here
the difference is that i think if he's town he would also know that if we're both town there's a decent chance we can find each other. the fact that he doesn't have reason to think im scum would make him doubt. im on the other side here, not fully confident that klick is scum, and that makes me question AD and marci
the way that his reads on AD and marci progressed from hesitancy/uncertainty to full-on confidence isn't supported and just isn't really believable to me coming from town!klick
this is what i mean by calling the play positional. i think that those reads became solidified out of necessity and not out of justified reason. and i don't think that's how town!klick plays
Like the thing just now about going from hesitancy/uncertainty to full-on confidence on marci and STD (not ActionDan, I don’t think that matches my progression there?). I... do stuff like that all the time? When I have a reason to think someone is town, I tend towards hard-committal. I think that's one of my defining traits as a player.
My concern is that you're taking uncharitable interpretations of my actions, because pushing me early and getting me out of the way is exactly how I think scum!you would want to approach this situation.
But I am having doubts about you currently, mostly stemming from thinking 0-scum is kind of plausible
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Some real content would be quite nice about now.In post 1339, PenguinPower wrote:
They are upstanding animal police detectives who would never do this town wrong.In post 1337, Hermit Crab wrote: What am I missing on Pooky and Firebringer?-
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I'm confused. The hood has cops of unknown sanities (no shot limit?) AND inventions? Does each hood member have an invention one-shot? One one-shot you share and have to agree on? Something else?In post 1347, Sunflower wrote: invention is just a 1-shot, we target at night, so they would receive it at end of night, so they'd have to use it the next night
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Mostly this part:
the way that his reads on AD and marci progressed from hesitancy/uncertainty to full-on confidence isn't supported and just isn't really believable to me coming from town!klick-
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Not sure what you're asking?In post 1358, Dannflor wrote:
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I'm confused. The hood has cops of unknown sanities (no shot limit?) AND inventions? Does each hood member have an invention one-shot? One one-shot you share and have to agree on? Something else?In post 1347, Sunflower wrote: invention is just a 1-shot, we target at night, so they would receive it at end of night, so they'd have to use it the next night
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That's what I thought, but your comment I responded to could have meant something else. Inventions usually are one-shots for the recipients.In post 1357, Sunflower wrote:In post 1314, Sunflower wrote: it's been unexplicitly said at this point multiple times and i think it's frankly dumb to not just make it clear so btw, we aren't straight up cops, we are inventors who give out cop shots of unknown sanity
so it's like one step removed from dethy i guess idk
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welcome to feryland. I vastly prefer clarifications over assumptions.In post 1361, Dannflor wrote: I'm just question mark pinging that post
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heh.In post 1342, Hermit Crab wrote: Maybe there’s a mechanic where we play two separate games all at once to get a vanilla cop.
Have you talked about your reads of your hoodmates? Are you thinking about the game in those terms? possible scum in Marci's hood, your hood, and the leftovers?
Tangentially I think the one post of Brian's that I've actually liked was 1223.-
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In post 1367, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: Idk, not feeling very confident in who is scum in the hood ATM
I liked Spiffeh's push here:
VOTE: Brian Skies
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Klick 6 (morph, Hermit, Pooky, Dunnstral, PenguinPower, Dannflor)
ActionDan 2 (Lukewarm, Firebringer)
Brian Skies 2 (Spiffeh, CatScratchFever)
Sunflower 1 (Klick)
Pooky 1 (Firebagel)
marcistar 1 (ActionDan)
Spiffeh 1 (Gypyx)
morph 1 (STD)
Not voting (Brian Skies, Oblivion, Shello, SirCakez, Bingle, marcistar, Sunflower)
It's interesting to see the Sunflower wagon dissipate so much. I know from observation that fireisredsir can churn out decent content as scum so I'm not terribly mollified by his posts about the hood. His comments about his Klick read don't do much for me. I'm the head who feels it's about 50-50 regarding which of them is scum.-
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Kinda. With Bingle showing up in the game thread, I wondered if he surfaced in the hood, too.In post 1379, Hermit Crab wrote:
I feel like you know the answer to that question, but given we have some of our hood who have yet to post ANYWHERE it’s a bit tricky to accurately forecast our reads. All I hve is the solace that PP promised me Bingle is town.In post 1364, morph the cat wrote:
heh.In post 1342, Hermit Crab wrote: Maybe there’s a mechanic where we play two separate games all at once to get a vanilla cop.
Have you talked about your reads of your hoodmates? Are you thinking about the game in those terms? possible scum in Marci's hood, your hood, and the leftovers?
Tangentially I think the one post of Brian's that I've actually liked was 1223.-
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My pooky read strengthened last night. He hasn't broken in to 2nd tier town, but he's close.
Some of the stuff he said about my hydra was ~interesting~, and not entirely how I perceive his reads of me, in or out of morph.
Neuterhalf was feeling sick last night. I'll assume I'm playing solo for now, but probably not for long. Everything posted since 1235 is spayhalf.-
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My unvote is purely based on Klick's most recent post. I was a little surpised to see the move to STD happening in pedit. I don't ~hate~ that, and I'd definitely like to see more of STD in this thread, where I can form a first hand read.-
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One thing I saw mentioned that I wish to correct from the sickbed:
We may name our town tiers really silly things like "show me the guilty or fuck off" but in reality, we are ALWAYS willing to hear a case out, so don't cite us for reasons not to do that. If you think Marci is scum then case her and we'll evaluate it. Everyone can be wrong, and even if we might disagree now, we may see something you found and 180. Or heck, we might still disagree but find your efforts useful in sorting elsewhere.-
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It's one hood with cop-inventions to give out.In post 1464, Brian Skies wrote:
Do you think people can be swapped into both hoods, or just one? Because the second one seems themed around inventors and I think it would be strange if players can be swapped in and out of that one.In post 1395, Dannflor wrote: i don't even think 2 wolves in the dethy is out of the question
i really think it makes sense for people to be swapping around neighborhoods this game so i think the starting number of scum in any neighborhood probably can't be accurately guessed but im not mech brained!!
I feel like this could be a towntell. :/-
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That's interesting.In post 1466, Firebringer wrote:
I think it was just hood talk.In post 1463, Spiffeh wrote: Where did I get heat for my "scum read" on you? Hermit Crab poked at me about it in the hood but it wasn't the crux of any scum reads on me from what I recall.I don't remember anyone pushing u in main thread. And honestly most of whats been going on with you in mainhood has not been bringing attention to me so thats why i said u being scum would be interesting because of lack of engagement (at least from my memory of u so far). I do want to sort u earlier though, i think ur post here is first one i go well that sounds town spiffeh. But i might be giving u easy pass for how u framed that whole post.-
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I'm starting with a tierlist. Got distracted because SOMEBODY moved our hydra pt to completed PTs in the last year.In post 1495, Lukewarm wrote: On one hand I feel like I need to reread this game to get a solid scum read of my own, and on the other hand I want to just wait for morph to do all the work for me and break out their super duper color coded entire player list read list
But either way, I don't currently know where I want my vote to be, and it feels stale where it is.-
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Tiered list. Not ready to write a book.
This is a fferylist. Slots where neuterhalf and I have opinions and are not yet synced are noted.
{Hermit Crab, Luke}
{Marci, Oblivion, Dunn}
{CSF, YdraHydra, Bagel(?)} spayhalf has YdraHydra here, neuterhalf has them lower. Neuterhalf has Pooky in this tier.
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{Brian Skies, ActionDan, Gypyx, Firebringer, Pooky*} Surprised Brian is in this group, but this feels right to me. neuterhalf has him lower
{Dannflor, Spiffeh} On top of other stuff in the thread, I feel like Spiffeh is reaching with his appeal for us to townread him based on mindmeld :/
{Klick, Sunflower}
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{STD, SirCakez, Bingle, PenguinPower*}
PenguinPower being present and voting but not poking around at all is nearly enough concern to put him in one of the two lower groups under the first line.-
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How confident are you?In post 1499, Hermit Crab wrote:
You that confident morph is town?In post 1495, Lukewarm wrote: On one hand I feel like I need to reread this game to get a solid scum read of my own, and on the other hand I want to just wait for morph to do all the work for me and break out their super duper color coded entire player list read list
But either way, I don't currently know where I want my vote to be, and it feels stale where it is.-
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Only that the two are, at least in my (neuter's) mind, mutually exclusive, and that I have pretty good in-thread reasons for disliking both.In post 1527, Shello and Goodbye wrote:In post 1526, Ydrasse wrote:
idk why it surprises me that you guys have klick and sunflower tiered lowest beyond the neighborhood but it does, does the hood have any bearing on this?In post 1514, morph the cat wrote: Tiered list. Not ready to write a book.
This is a fferylist. Slots where neuterhalf and I have opinions and are not yet synced are noted.
{Hermit Crab, Luke}
{Marci, Oblivion, Dunn}
{CSF, YdraHydra, Bagel(?)} spayhalf has YdraHydra here, neuterhalf has them lower. Neuterhalf has Pooky in this tier.
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{Brian Skies, ActionDan, Gypyx, Firebringer, Pooky*} Surprised Brian is in this group, but this feels right to me. neuterhalf has him lower
{Dannflor, Spiffeh} On top of other stuff in the thread, I feel like Spiffeh is reaching with his appeal for us to townread him based on mindmeld :/
{Klick, Sunflower}
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{STD, SirCakez, Bingle, PenguinPower*}
PenguinPower being present and voting but not poking around at all is nearly enough concern to put him in one of the two lower groups under the first line.-
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Yeah they both have stuff that makes me want to murder, but one of them is a red herring... maybe.-
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I think he's town, but not enough to put him above that line. Yet, anyway. Reports from the hood that I can't see for myself are not easy to weigh here.In post 1531, Brian Skies wrote: For some reason I thought Morph was townreading Dan. I guess I was wrong.-
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It's an egg shaped hair thing, yeah. It's from bakemonogatari.In post 1546, Brian Skies wrote:
I do not know.In post 1533, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: Brian I always wanted to ask you this but is that an egg on your head-
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Eh. We don't really have a firm null line, those lines are just distinctive gaps for us, more than anything.In post 1552, Brian Skies wrote:
Is that line not the null line?In post 1548, morph the cat wrote:
I think he's town, but not enough to put him above that line. Yet, anyway. Reports from the hood that I can't see for myself are not easy to weigh here.In post 1531, Brian Skies wrote: For some reason I thought Morph was townreading Dan. I guess I was wrong.-
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I was getting there, I'm currently eating Havarti so that's the right answer, or your taste in cheese sucks, either-or.-
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Sorry for your loss.In post 1557, Firebringer wrote: My taste in cheese sucks.-
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The 8 above that line are all confident townreads at this point. strength of confidence in the tiers.In post 1555, morph the cat wrote:
Eh. We don't really have a firm null line, those lines are just distinctive gaps for us, more than anything.In post 1552, Brian Skies wrote:
Is that line not the null line?In post 1548, morph the cat wrote:
I think he's town, but not enough to put him above that line. Yet, anyway. Reports from the hood that I can't see for myself are not easy to weigh here.In post 1531, Brian Skies wrote: For some reason I thought Morph was townreading Dan. I guess I was wrong.-
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:/In post 1569, Hermit Crab wrote:
Please uninstall Valorant because clearly this game takes priority.In post 1568, marcistar wrote: guys i have bad newsthe new valorant battlepass is outso i can no longer play properly
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I try to avoid giving money to Riot Games for ethical reasons, sorry, this doesn't resonate with me.-
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Can you go into how your reads of Cat Scratch Fever, Hermit Crab, and Lukewarm formed?In post 1403, Klick wrote: I'm going to refresh tonight. I had a really stressful time last night and this morning, and some of that was due to this game, but most of that was external and me projecting that into this.
I'm finding the push on myself overwhelming. I don't particularly like or enjoy playing to expectation. I also dislike the infrequent-but-significant wagon that grows on me early D1 simply for playing the way I play amongst certain groups of players.
If you have a question that you like, really really care about getting answered, ping me and I'll give it some attention before I refresh. But what I'd like to do tonight after the kids are asleep is go through and get a clearer perspective on the game.
I think I'm quite happy with the actual reads I've developed so far, but I'm going to make an effort to be more transparent as to the reasoning behind most of my reads. Some might change with reflection. My concern is that a number of people are going to poke and prod and otherwise invalidate my attempts at showing my work, not due to its actual content or potential accuracy, but simply due to disagreements in process. I'm not interested in getting into lengthy debates about the accuracy of my opinions or process, unless the goal is genuinely to come to a shared understanding on someone's alignment.
With that out of the way, see you all in like 3ish hours maybe-
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I'm giving you a pensive gaze because you didn't reply to my question when you came back to the thread.In post 1587, Hermit Crab wrote:
To be fair, I was going to say this regardless of what game was mentioned there.In post 1571, morph the cat wrote:
:/In post 1569, Hermit Crab wrote:
Please uninstall Valorant because clearly this game takes priority.In post 1568, marcistar wrote: guys i have bad newsthe new valorant battlepass is outso i can no longer play properly
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