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In post 2341, RadiantCowbells wrote:RC paranoia is a thing, but it doesn't mean people are willing or able to lynch me in day phase, particularly not after I led a lynch on an uber strong scum PR.
I am usually good at strongarming lynches and sounding genuine and convincing and shit.
It's true though that thread temperature would have changed in response to that and it might have taken me a few day phases.
just one of a few things that Plot said on the topic.
Also.
No, but he's the easiest to sort right now.
He'll be the easiest to sort later as well.
Vote Scatterplot.
Nah. I'll sort that slot when I get around to it. I'm not at that point yet.
Ankmaius was someone i wanted to sort early but he showed no interest and ignored me for the duration of it until after i decided to push Wisdom instead, normal town Ank would've OMGUS'd immediately and not after.
...what?
This logic is so stretched out that I can't even see either end of it anymore. The assumptions you're making just in this one line is ridiculous.
In post 344, Ankamius wrote:Occam's razor would say that I didn't think your vote on me was scummy or worth pressuring and I found other reasons to pressure you later on.
That's a pretty elaborate explanation for something you're calling Occam's razor.
It's a hell of a lot simpler than me waiting until your focus is off of me to accept your engage on me and pull your focus back onto me like you are claiming.
Like I'm pretty sure you said "you're not doing anything" as justification for it
So don't give me that
~Spiffy
That's not a good game to base that meta on me from since I was very active from the start of the game to when d3x had to stop playing, then from after I replaced the hydra to when I got lynched.
That's far less indicative of me being inactive due to me being scum and more me being inactive due to outside influences.
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Post #415 (isolation #16) » Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:26 pm
Postby Ankamius »
FTR activity is literally the worst possible metric anyone can use to try to read me. I have every level of activity you can think of in at least one game as both alignments.
of PhantomCobalt being scum), PhantomCobalt looks like the shiny to me.
As in, flashy and distracting, but ultimately not scum.
Sort of like a less-vocal version of Ashnard.
I'd much prefer we focus on talah/Ktthecreeper/Ankamius. Especially given this:
Ankamius, on PC wrote:This is disgustingly scummy, too.
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Post #504 (isolation #22) » Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:57 am
Postby Ankamius »
RC: What do you think about the gamestate right now? The more I think about it, the more I think that town is in a much more dangerous position than we think.
In post 504, Ankamius wrote:The more I think about it, the more I think that town is in a much more dangerous position than we think.
Why would you say this ominously and not like
Go into detail or explain why
PEdit: Is that the only reason for this statement?
~Spiffy
Talah is town.
Expedience is town.
KTthecreeper is town.
RC is a player that tends to tunnel whatever he's focusing on to the exclusion of basically everyone else. It's safe to have him just tunnel Scatterplot to death and not mess with him since it will distract two of the strongest player slots.
Antihero gets treated exactly as he usually does when he's town and I'm easy to remove from the game solely by forcing me into apathy.
That's everyone I either have seen town posts from or (in Scatterplot's case) are more likely town via putting the pieces together.
I'm getting a very bad feeling that scum are taking control of the game and the kickback on me after I started going after Sakura only makes that feeling worse.
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Post #518 (isolation #25) » Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:00 am
Postby Ankamius »
What are you talking about? I've played with your town-game three times just off the top of my head.
I'm reading you based on how I'm reading the gamestate; I forgot to mention that before since Scatterplot was at the forefront of my mind when I stated that.
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Post #672 (isolation #35) » Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:24 pm
Postby Ankamius »
In post 670, talah wrote:Also you're wrong and you should be right or at least somewhat right, and you should be attempting to read me, and you're not.
In post 670, talah wrote:Also you're wrong and you should be right or at least somewhat right, and you should be attempting to read me, and you're not.
In post 670, talah wrote:Also you're wrong and you should be right or at least somewhat right, and you should be attempting to read me, and you're not.
In post 670, talah wrote:Also you're wrong and you should be right or at least somewhat right, and you should be attempting to read me, and you're not.
This was at RC btw if it wasn't obvious
1. The assertion itself is wrong no matter who you levy it at.
2. The timing of when you made the two posts are really really awkward.
AKA it makes you sound really panicked. AKA scum cracking under pressure.
In post 841, Ankamius wrote:My impression of Plotinus is that she's going to be difficult for me to read.
I haven't gotten my own impression of Ether yet.
My read is leaning town due to the overall gamestate.
That's literally the extent of all my thoughts regarding that slot.
Please comment on my case and look through the links I gave. You not having an impression on Ether itself should be a concern. When Ether is town, she makes a large impression on the playerlist and isn't one to stay in the shadows.
I think your Mad King Ashnard townread is a bit premature as well. Their play around Scatterplot makes no sense.
Let me read RC my own way. I'll catch him eventually if he's scum.
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Post #849 (isolation #46) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:24 pm
Postby Ankamius »
In post 846, Mad King Ashnard wrote:I am concerned about Ank townreading me as well, considering I've taken several games off him as scum where he townread me for much of the game.
It feels a bit iffy.
I only remember seeing your scumgame twice.
The first time, I was inactive for the entire game and barely even followed along, but was able to find your mistakes when LyLo hit and I needed to be active in order to win the game.
The second time, I was onto you since mid-day 2 and you had to work around me to get the mislynches you needed.
In post 847, Ankamius wrote:Let me read RC my own way. I'll catch him eventually if he's scum.
That's fair but why are you townreading him in the first place now.
And please do comment on my case on Scatterplot. I'm surprised a lot of people just glossed over it and haven't said a word about it until I started prodding them.
Because the way you read RC is by how he attacks people. I'm not ruling out the possibility that he understood what I was getting at with my question and worked around it, but his response was town enough that I'm not going to worry about it for a while.
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Post #854 (isolation #49) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:40 pm
Postby Ankamius »
Ocean: I'm not all that convinced, mainly because removing meta from it removes most of the teeth in that case. I have to analyze cases like that to have a particular opinion on them and I absolutely refuse to look into games that I was never in. What's there without the meta points looks like it could easily just be personality tells to me, so shrug.
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Post #861 (isolation #52) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:18 pm
Postby Ankamius »
In post 859, OceanWind wrote:Well you should be looking into other games then. This is slam dunk case of someone who's town and scum play are miles apart to the point where they are one of the easiest players to read on site.
No. If several people make the same claim to the point where it would be extremely illogical for it to be a scum push, then I'll accept people's word about someone's meta. Until then, I'm treating all meta cases as null at best. One of my biggest pet peeves is when people make BS meta cases when they have no personal experience playing with that person, so I absolutely refuse to try to meta read two players I have no experience playing with (not including hitchcock since I died basically as Plotinus replaced in).
This is not aimed at you specifically, but this type of reasoning is why anyone who is scumreading Antihero at all this game is straight up not paying any attention to the game.
In post 859, OceanWind wrote:Why are you dismissing them as "could just be personality tells" when you don't know that that is the case?
ew. This question reeks.
In post 859, OceanWind wrote:Regardless of meta, what scumhunting has Ether done in this game?
What I've noticed from Ether is similar shit I do when I'm falling behind and trying to catch up, so I'm less hesitant to give it a pass for the moment.
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Post #866 (isolation #53) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:57 pm
Postby Ankamius »
In post 862, OceanWind wrote:Ankamius - my problem is that you are refusing to even consider Scatterplot as scum almost as a policy. You are essentially saying "Meta? Nah. Ignore." That strikes me as a very shallow method of scumhunting where you are categorically dismissing everything scummy about Scatterplot under a blanket label of meta.
Without meta, are you townreading Scatterplot? Is there a reason you are being so charitable to Ether's lack of contribution? Ether isn't a player who falls behind and fades out while trying to catch up.
I don't care if you think my question reeks. What I'd like to know is why you are so willing to assume that the points I brought up against Scatterplot are personality tells. Which ones do you think are personality tells?
Post 166: More details into why this is scummy. Trying to manipulate Ranger with this post is only likely in my eyes if ranger has other scum in her sights at that point, which doesn't make much sense to me unless you're scum as well (since the only other slot I have an active scumread in that half of the readslist is Sakura Hana, whom I'm not quite as sure about anymore) and you didn't give any other scumreads up to this point that indicate you thought along the same lines.
Post 476: talah and KTthecreeper were popular scumreads at the time. Wisdom was a popular townread. I'm not convinced by the ranger point because I remember ranger responding to 166 at some point saying that a lot of what Plotinus said was reasonably accurate and I've seen a lot of people give out townreads early on as town for people that come to the same conclusions as them. Expedience is a wildcard since the last mention before that post is a townread and the next mention after it is a vote. You could make a case that the reads list is opportunistic to an extent, but what you're accusing it of being is not what I see it as.
Post 236: This isn't scummy at all. 1v1 wallfests are fucking awful to read and do absolutely nothing to forward the game, so Ether specifically calling for a 1v1 wallfest to end is reasonable as town.
Post 230: This is the only point that has teeth in it. This post IS weird now that I look back at it. It's not enough to override any of my other scumreads, but it's a start.
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Post #868 (isolation #54) » Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:29 pm
Postby Ankamius »
The problem with your first point is that just discussing reads with her like you're suggesting is a safer option than what she actually did, and is far likely to result in her making a tactical mistake and tipping Ranger off that the townread miiiiiight have been given out too early. It's early enough in the game that reads can change on a dime for weak reasoning.
I'm not willing to vote based on the reads point because a lot of people's reads this game are pretty bad/opportunistic right now FMPOV and not all of them can be scum, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
You're underestimating just how much apathy 1v1 wallfests create. As someone who has taken part in a lot of these, my experience states that virtually nobody likes or wants to engage them.
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Post #882 (isolation #55) » Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:52 am
Postby Ankamius »
I looked back at Hitchcock and agree that it's not as simple as trying to blend into the background and be safe. Plot openly went after the single most difficult player to 1v1 and went all out on it once day began.
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Post #898 (isolation #58) » Sat Jan 23, 2016 8:00 am
Postby Ankamius »
I lightly skim games I'm not playing in. That type of thing falls under the same thing that I was bitching about earlier regarding meta, so I'm wary to analyze them based on that game regardless.