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Post #33 (isolation #2) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:23 am
Postby Trojan Horse »
In post 32, SleepyKrew wrote:I think it was doing absolutely nothing (though not participating in RVS certainly is a something kind of nothing).
I don't understand why he expected me to start helping in the third post of the game.
Doing "absolutely nothing" is anti-town. Even in the third post of the game, you could've at least cast a vote. That would've helped.
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Post #36 (isolation #3) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:45 am
Postby Trojan Horse »
SleepyKrew: you mean, how would casting a vote help? How else are we going to find the scum right now?
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I haven't played in three years, so the meta has probably shifted since I last played. But I hope it hasn't shifted THAT much. I've seen scum caught on day 1 because they didn't aggressively scumhunt from the beginning. (It's happened to me before.) Have things changed?
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Post #48 (isolation #4) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:13 am
Postby Trojan Horse »
One more post before work...
SleepyKrew wrote:But how does someone get set in believing that everyone needs to participate in RVS otherwise how will we catch scum?
Participating in RVS helps find scum. "Participating" could mean voting, or questioning other people, or whatever. Just saying "Greetings" is not participating.
In post 36, Trojan Horse wrote:SleepyKrew: you mean, how would casting a vote help? How else are we going to find the scum right now?
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Me RVSing would not help catch scum. If I random voted, it wouldn't have been for game-related reasons. I don't want to continue having a discussion about the merits of not participating in RVS. Ask your team about it. If you want to continue calling me scummy for not participating in RVS, ask your team again.
Okay fine, I'll mention it to my team.
At least you are around right now, and you are actually responding to people. So my vote stays on jason for now.
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Post #96 (isolation #6) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:27 pm
Postby Trojan Horse »
I didn't mean that one person not doing RVS prevents the team from scumhunting. I meant that doing RVS helps the team scumhunt, and not helping the team scumhunt is scummy.
Fenchurch, a message from my team: Tammy wants you to clarify your scum read on Jason.
Malakittens, who are you intending to vote right now? You voted SK, then voted micc, then unvoted SK.
Micc, you said your vote on Jason was a "sheep vote". What do you think about Jason now?
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Post #105 (isolation #7) » Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:35 am
Postby Trojan Horse »
Good answers from Micc and Fenchurch.
I agree with the whole "Jason might be rusty scum" idea. That first post does look that way. By the way: my opening vote on Jason was because of his awesome scumplay during the last Team Mafia. I figured if he is scum, we'd have a hard time figuring it out unless we pressure him right away. Maybe he didn't need so much pressure after all.
My vote stays.
My upcoming schedule: I'm off work from 4/3 until 4/12. (Easter break.) It'll be easier for me to keep up at that point.
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Post #117 (isolation #9) » Wed Apr 01, 2015 3:15 pm
Postby Trojan Horse »
In post 114, Egg wrote:Also, it looks like this game is moving at a slow enough pace for the effects of my V/LA to be pretty minimal here. So there's that.
I'm surprised at that. I was thinking this game would be as chaotic as the Large Theme, and I'd be struggling to keep up (except for my time off). Apparently not.
pieguyn, Tammy wants you to explain your Jason-scumread some more.
Jason, how do you feel about this wagon against you? Obviously, you're going to say "it's wrong, I'm town", but what do you think about the people on the bandwagon?
In post 117, Trojan Horse wrote:pieguyn, Tammy wants you to explain your Jason-scumread some more.
I'll go through it in detail later tonight. does Tammy have a town read on him?
Not a solid town read yet, but she seems to be leaning in that direction. She thinks she can get a solid read on Jason, but it may take some time. She isn't bothered by Jason's multiple-vote opening post.
She also likes your suspicion of mala. I'm going to take a closer look...
In post 105, Trojan Horse wrote:I figured if he is scum, we'd have a hard time figuring it out unless we pressure him right away. Maybe he didn't need so much pressure after all.
I'm trying to find the words to justify why it bothers me, I guess the closest I can come up with is: if you really think his scumplay is laudable, why would he be so easy to catch?
I don't think he would be so easy to catch. He has looked fairly townish lately. He could be a townie who just made an awkward first post, or he could be scum who has recovered well from an early slip-up. My scumread on him is weakening, and I need to be careful of that. He can be quite a capable scum.
Also, as for my top scum read, it's obviously Jason. Even before he went and started being ignorant and making flawed cases. This just confirms it even more for me. He's posting things that are ridiculous towards me. Like my RVS when I was confused about why people were unvoting everything? COME ON! I'm the Boonskiies here! Look me up. I'm the craziest person out here. Like I always say...usually it's scum who isn't familiar with me who automatically pushes towards me.
VOTE: Jason
Oversoul told me that he thought you might be scum, so I decided to ask for your top scumread and see how you reacted. And I don't like your reaction. This vote looks like a vote from scum, trying to seize the opportunity to quicklynch town. Plus, this looks like an attempt to make us ignore any scummy behavior on your part. "Oh, that's just Boon being Boon." Right...
In post 181, Boonskiies wrote:Again, hi. Jason...My name is Boonskiies. I'm known to hammer my biggest town read on occasion without letting them claim in a moment's notice. Mainly when I'm town! Me OMGUS'ing is nothing.
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Post #258 (isolation #14) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:34 am
Postby Trojan Horse »
In post 256, Boonskiies wrote:I don't even know what I'm saying at this point, Sleepy. I'm just posting for the sake of being bored. Regardless, let's move the subject off of me self-meta'ing. It really is moot.
And just when I'd moved you back to "null tell", you start looking scummy again. You're digging your own grave, Boon.
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Post #263 (isolation #15) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 1:29 pm
Postby Trojan Horse »
In post 262, Boonskiies wrote:Keep in mind, these are page 11 reads! Don't go over exaggerating everything like you all have been.
I'm not bothered by your list of reads, even though you put me on the scum side. But you keep on telling us not to overreact to what you say. That does bother me.
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Post #309 (isolation #16) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:47 pm
Postby Trojan Horse »
In post 264, Malakittens wrote:Trojan bugged me with his 258 because it looks like a fence-sit where he could use to go back into the Boons wagon anytime he wanted to-type of feel post.
I guess I am "fence-sitting", but not the way you meant. I'm having a hard time getting a read on Boon; I'm trying to figure him out. Yes, I might go back to the Boon wagon. I'm thinking about it.
I'm signing off for the night. No time to comment on STD or Delta right now. STD: since you're reading me as scum, is there anything you want me to comment on? I'll do it tomorrow.
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Post #328 (isolation #17) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:31 am
Postby Trojan Horse »
In post 317, Fenchurch wrote:Trojan - earlier you mentioned that Tammy expected to be able to get a good read on jason. Has she read the game recently, and if so, what are her current thoughts?
She's following the game. She's still trying to figure Jason out.
In post 317, Fenchurch wrote:Trojan - earlier you mentioned that Tammy expected to be able to get a good read on jason. Has she read the game recently, and if so, what are her current thoughts?
She's following the game. She's still trying to figure Jason out.
It's weird you are still trying to work me out, and the fact you are hanging on for Tammy's opinion seems like you are stalling not wanting to say anything incase it derails the lynch, also if Tammy has experience with me, I (and this is backed up by Zach) would expect her to have something already this deep into the game or even something to say at least.
I am not hanging on for Tammy's opinion. You're my top scum pick (though less so than at the start), so I'm voting for you. I only brought it up because Fenchurch asked about it. As for Tammy not yet having a read on you: I just got a message from her, and she apologized for losing track of our games due to busyness. I'm sure she'll have a more solid read soon.
In post 358, jasonT1981 wrote:I brought up the point earlier of no viable counter wagon (at the time) It would heavily suggest 1) scum is already on it or 2) they are happy to just sit back and relax without anyone having to provide alternative options as to them, and others it would seem the lynch is a cert and nothing else has to be done.
I'm considering that. The thing is, we still have 10 days left until the deadline. If you are scum, I wouldn't be all that surprised if your teammates decided to let the wagon be for now, and wait for a townie to propose an alternative.
Lastly: Jason, Oversoul wants to know if you spent any tokens for this game.
In post 358, jasonT1981 wrote:It's weird you are still trying to work me out, and the fact you are hanging on for Tammy's opinion seems like you are stalling not wanting to say anything incase it derails the lynch, also if Tammy has experience with me, I (and this is backed up by Zach) would expect her to have something already this deep into the game or even something to say at least.
I am not hanging on for Tammy's opinion. You're my top scum pick (though less so than at the start), so I'm voting for you. I only brought it up because Fenchurch asked about it. As for Tammy not yet having a read on you: I just got a message from her, and she apologized for losing track of our games due to busyness. I'm sure she'll have a more solid read soon.
Why less so than at the start?
Does it bother you that jason seems to overblow and exaggerate everything that is posted about him?
Why less so than at the start? Because jason's scumhunting appears to be genuine. It does look like what he might do if he was town and got caught in a bandwagon early. But it also looks like what he might do if he was SCUM and got caught in a bandwagon early.
Jason seems to exaggerate everything? That's a bit of an exaggeration , but yes, that does bother me. But is that how he usually acts? I've already been led astray through not knowing people's metas.
In post 364, Fenchurch wrote:I agree with a whole bunch of Thor's observations in #327, although I don't support the subsequent stuff on STDragons. To me STDragons' righteousness and indignation sounds more like town than scum.
Eh, let's see what Jason flips and then we can debate that. Nacho agrees with you though, so, meh.
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Post #404 (isolation #22) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:52 am
Postby Trojan Horse »
Reread of thor's ISO complete. Townread on thor. Looks like I misread thor's intentions yesterday; I was looking at that quote out of context, and thought that thor was trying to get us to ignore STD and focus on jason's lynch. In context, that doesn't look like what he meant. (I blame sleep deprivation for this one; I'd had a rough night.)
This is only an unvote to avoid a quicklynch. I'm still eyeing jason.
Why unvote? 7 votes are needed to lynch, L-2 doesn't seem that risky to me (even Boon can't lol-hammer by himself). At some point we do need a lynch, and preferably with a claim first. I'd rather we don't wait a week until deadline for that to happen.
I've seen some crazy things happen at L-2. I don't want to risk a lynch without a claim. Call me overly cautious, if you want.
unknown/want to think more about currently:
Deltawave [TBD]
Boonskiies [TEAM WITH NO NAME]
jasonT1981 [The Kliq]
Malakittens [The Unviggable Vegetables]
town:
Fenchurch [God Save the Black Goo]
Pieguyn [Indecisive]
sthar8 [Marshmallow Pillow Fort]
Egg [Peruvian Flute Band]
Micc [The Athenians]
SleepyKrew [The Cockettes]
Emphasis mine. Obviously a bad joke, and not a scumslip, right?
I've been meaning to take another look at your discussions with STD. (Sorry I haven't done that yet.) When you originally had that argument with STD, my thought was "this is a town on town spat, mafia must really be enjoying this, bleh". But I want to take a closer look.
I don't see STD trying to justify what he is doing. I see STD trying to convince the rest of the group that you are scum.
In post 287, DeltaWave wrote:I don't think you have legitimate reads. I think you're making it up.
No explanation.
In post 291, DeltaWave wrote:Alright, fine. Let me hit you in the balls with logic so hard you'll be picking fragments of your own testicles out of your teeth for weeks. Thor is supposedly your top scumread but you've done nothing but hedge on him so far (and complain about his attitude.) Your read came totally out of your ass, which is good because now there's more room in there for my foot.
In post 303, DeltaWave wrote:Call it crappy but I'm the one slapping you in the face with my monkey tail, if you get my drift. You are making up reads and then trying to come up with these lame justifications for them. I've read everything you've posted.
Says he's read my post, has yet to really respond to anything I've said. Especially the parts where I point out he's mistaken!
In post 307, DeltaWave wrote:A couple years back I dropped this massive deuce. I even took a picture of it, and I'll post it if you want. But yeah I bring this up because it reminds me of your post. I'm going to deal with this after a good night's sleep. I'll be dreaming of you.
When you wake up tomorrow and start trying to play the game feel free to change my mind.
This response isn't from town. Normally when I say things like "I'm going to punch you in the nuts" or "I'm going to behead you like I was Mohammed" or something like that, town gets pissed and may even OMGUS me. That's fine and frankly I expect it, but this post here is different. You're trying to make it sound like your vote has nothing to do with my case against you but rather because I've "basically done nothing."
Your post here has a level of mindfulness and calculation that you would expect from scum. Scum want to look justified, like they have a reason for everything, when in reality town tends to be less focused on that kind of self-preservation tactic. Or in other words, you came up with this "delta has done nothing" reasoning even though your post & vote is clearly a kneejerk, because you feel that as scum you have to present a pristine foundation for everything you do. A compulsive need to put together a rational explanation for everything (including OMGUS) is the kind of thing a guilty person does.
I am hereby issuing a fatwa against you STD. Who will be my mujahideen?
I don't see STD trying to justify his actions. I see STD trying to convince the rest of the group that you are scum. (And doing a good job of it, to be honest...)
In post 364, Fenchurch wrote:If you don't have scumreads, do you have townreads? Do you have reads?
Nope! I'm feeling pretty mentally checked out. I intend to do a nice thorough reread eventuality, but I don't know if that will happen D1. Have I mentioned how much I hate day ones?
I think I'm with you on day ones, SK.
Current reads (more gut than anything else):
Leaning town: pie, Fen, STD, Egg
Null: SK, sthar, Mala, Micc
Leaning scum: Jason, Boon, Thor (my teammates have pushed me in that direction), Delta (I think Delta went overboard in his argument with STD; he may have been provoking STD just to distract the town)
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Post #505 (isolation #30) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:07 pm
Postby Trojan Horse »
Because there hasn't been a lot of pushing on DeltaWave lately. There's enough on Jason and Thor that I can try to make an evaluation of them. But it looks like Delta has slipped back into lurker mode. He needs some pressure.
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Post #508 (isolation #31) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:28 pm
Postby Trojan Horse »
Also, I've spent the afternoon going back and forth between Jason's iso and Thor's iso, trying to decide which one is likelier to be scum. I'm tired of agonizing over it. I figured that, if I'm having this much trouble, perhaps the best move is to go for a third option.
Yes SK, pushing for a new bandwagon will probably prolong day 1. But if that's what it takes to find scum, so be it.
Trojan wrote:Not especially, but I'm sure I would've been lynched on the spot if I had done that...
You...weren't...just posting that to try and get a flash wagon going on BS, were you?
On Boon? This quote was referring to a post where STD listed his reads; it had nothing to do with Boon. And no, I wasn't trying to get a flash wagon going on anyone.
Note to all: starting tonight, I will be sleeping with a CPAP machine. Or rather, I will be TRYING to sleep with a CPAP machine; as for whether any sleep will actually come, that remains to be seen. So if you guys want to interrogate me, please do so today; I'll probably be pretty incoherent starting tomorrow.
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Post #539 (isolation #33) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:17 am
Postby Trojan Horse »
Okay, I think my thoughts are a little more organized now.
I've been wondering if Delta provoked an argument with STD as a scummove, to distract the town. But if that's the case, and it wasn't just Delta being Delta, then why would he feel a need to do that? Jason was the only viable wagon at the time. So Delta's actions make no sense as a scummove, unless Jason is also scum.
Looks like my scumread on Delta depends on my scumread on Jason. So there's really no reason for me to vote for Delta right now.
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Post #564 (isolation #36) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:31 am
Postby Trojan Horse »
In post 560, Egg wrote:Trojan, if Jason were to flip town, how would that affect your Boon and Thor reads? Is Delta your strongest scum read (at the time of your vote) or are you pursuing that vote because he is a new scum read?
Probably the Boon read would stay the same, and the Thor read would get stronger.
I don't know if Delta was my strongest scum read when I cast my vote. Too close to call. I voted for Delta because I had spent so much time reading Jason's and Thor's isos, and I was tired of trying to decide between them. I thought that, if I can't decide between choice A and choice B, maybe I should pick a choice C instead. (Hey, it helped me organize my thoughts. So I guess it was a good move.)
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Post #629 (isolation #38) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:44 pm
Postby Trojan Horse »
I really don't feel like reading through all of these wallposts again, looking for something that makes Jason clearly scummier than Thor, or vice versa. I'm willing to lynch either one of them at this point. (My team still wants me to switch to Thor; I'm willing to do that if necessary.)
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Post #634 (isolation #39) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:56 pm
Postby Trojan Horse »
Mala: of all the people you could've accused of playing a "safe game" by voting jason, I'm surprised you picked fenchurch; I'd say her reads have been reasonable so far, and I DO think she has been transparent with the reasons for those reads. To be honest, I would've been less bothered if you had voted for ME at this point.
his role is a death sentence if scum. if jason happens to be alive on D4, then we can reconsider it, but this is one of those roles that naturally works itself out either way.
(also I really wish people wouldn't use bodyguards in games because it's a shit role)
I know we're not supposed to outguess the mod, but if bodyguard is such a bad role, do you really think it would've been used in Team Mafia? I doubt it. Jason's claim looks like an attempt to claim a power role that won't be counterclaimed.
My knowledge of current site meta is pretty much nonexistent (having not played for three years), so let me ask the group: is it common these days to use bodyguard in normal games? I'm guessing the answer is no...
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Post #689 (isolation #43) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:29 am
Postby Trojan Horse »
In post 688, jasonT1981 wrote:Trojan - What are Tammys thoughts. Over a week after being asked about Tammy's read on me, you still have stalled on it.
No further word from Tammy yet. She is getting ready to defend her dissertation; given that, I'm surprised she has enough time left for her own game, let alone the rest of the games.
After your claim, I don't need a read from Tammy. I'm ready to lynch you now.
In post 682, Trojan Horse wrote:I know we're not supposed to outguess the mod, but if bodyguard is such a bad role, do you really think it would've been used in Team Mafia? I doubt it.
The rest of your post is fine, (and I cannot speak to the popularity of the bodyguard role; I have no idea)
But this line looks like the purpose of this is to discredit jason's claim based on the fact that pie's opinion is that bodyguards are bad and therefore mods wouldn't include it.
My primary reasons why I don't believe jason's claim (besides his general scuminess) are that the claim is not confirmable, and the claim is not likely to be counterclaimed, hence it's a safe claim. As for mods not including it; that was another reason, but a less important one.
Actually, Tammy has just chimed in and pointed out previous normals she played in that had bodyguards. So I guess that part of my argument doesn't hold water. Fair enough. (Like I said, my ignorance of site meta is a disadvantage here.)
Tammy also thinks that Jason is town. Meh.
While I'm looking over this last page or two, one question: Thor, what happens if you hide behind scum? I know what the answer is for a "standard" hider; I just want to make sure.
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Post #728 (isolation #45) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 12:04 pm
Postby Trojan Horse »
In post 722, Fenchurch wrote: Bodyguard is a harder fakeclaim to maintain as there are likely to be points in the game where he'd be expected to die. Whereas CES thinks hider is a 'fashionable fake claim' for scum, in part because it's not hard to justify your continued survival as one.
Strange. I would've thought a hider claim would be harder to maintain, because as long as the claimed-hider-scum is alive, he has to act as a cop of sorts.
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Post #755 (isolation #47) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:09 am
Postby Trojan Horse »
This is probably my last post for 12-13 hours. I'll try to make good use of it.
SK, no wall posts, please. I won't have time to respond to everything. Also: Tammy says she wants a chance to give one final set of reads, if it looks like I'm going to be lynched. So don't put the hammer on me yet.
quick search through all mini games Nexus modded shows he's never used a hider before (unless I'm just blatantly missing it). if he put one here, it's the first time he's done it. I don't know how unreasonable this is given he's also used stuff like super-saint, global-roleblocking IC, and siblings, though.
Interesting. Not something we can rely on, but this does mean that my reasons for disbelieving jason's claim now apply more strongly to Thor's claim. Hmm.
UNVOTE: jason VOTE: Thor
Next: the idea of having Thor hide behind jason is an interesting one. Might be a good idea. I'll think about it. But I won't support it until Thor confirms that he will die if he hides behind scum. I don't want him to have a chance to back-pedal; he needs to confirm it now.
In post 754, pieguyn wrote:I think that if Thor is scum scum are all just going to bloc vote whatever easy wagon(s) comes up and we'll be stuck in the ass with not enough time to get a correct lynch. see: the large number of people who have been sitting on their ass wrt votes instead of trying to put effort into making someone a viable lynch target.
Or perhaps scum will just sit back and hope for a no-lynch.
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Post #779 (isolation #48) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:37 pm
Postby Trojan Horse »
So Thor is VLA, and he won't be able to respond to my question. Bleh.
A thought I had today: if Jason is scum and Thor is town, Jason's push to lynch me makes no sense. Jason would know that his goose is cooked if Thor survives the day, so he'd push to lynch Thor. (And he wouldn't look scummy for doing so; as has been pointed out, Thor has made a safe claim that he can get away with.) So either Jason is town, or... oh, this BETTER not be the truth... Jason and Thor are BOTH scum. So I'm certainly not going to push against Jason now.
Does a no lynch benefit scum though? In my experience, it benefits town more.
No. Imagine that there are two top lynch candidates, and one of them really is scum. If the town guesses wrong, bad for them, but they can then lynch the correct candidate the next day. But if there's a no-lynch, then the scum gets a free kill, and the town still doesn't know who to lynch. I'd say scum benefit from no lynch, most of the time.
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Post #781 (isolation #49) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:44 pm
Postby Trojan Horse »
No error, VysePresident has replaced Micc.
I think a deadline extension would be good, under the circumstances... but since Nexus said "no deadline extension" AFTER VysePresident replaced in, I don't think we're getting an extension.
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Post #785 (isolation #51) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 4:15 pm
Postby Trojan Horse »
Oversoul doesn't like Thor's claim; he doesn't think Nexus would put both a hider and a bodyguard in the same game, due to problems with role resolution.
Tammy thinks Thor is making up reads from his teammates; he put me down as a Nacho scumread here:
In post 517, Egg wrote:Thor, I know you said it's a mild read, but can you explain why you lean scum on Trojan?
Mostly Nacho and Ffrey. Llamarble likes the slot and thinks he's team building...(?) but the other two find him a little shallow and empty. I agree with their takes. None of the reads are particularly strong but he feels opportunistic in a way to me, like he's drifting with the wind rather than planting and saying stuff - which I find extra strange in this format because, functionally, he should have lots of extra opinions being tossed at him. Makes it feel strategic.
but not here:
In post 591, Thor665 wrote:Hell, and the only other wagon of any note is *also* a Nacho town read.
Let's see; if I went off just Nachos's reads I'd be lynching sthar, Fenchurch, Micc, and maybe Delta.
Two of those are amongst my top town reads.
Also, Tammy wants jason to protect either pie or fen tonight. Two solid townreads from her (I agree with both). She also has townreads on jason, STD, and Boon (I'm iffy on Boon).
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Post #786 (isolation #52) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 4:26 pm
Postby Trojan Horse »
In post 770, Malakittens wrote:
The only other possible lynch is Trojan Horse which I'm kinda on a null because I haven't really remembered a lot of his posts and I'm surprised Tammy hasn't been more engaging with me about my alignment, which I find as odd. I'm used to Tammy and I going head to head in games so her not trying to sort me is meh =\
She's trying to sort you. She doesn't like you attacking fenchurch for using wicked meta on you, when you are apparently doing the same thing to her. She's having a hard time reading you.
Please note that I haven't felt the need to reveal every read that my teammates have given me during the game. I've read them all and taken them into consideration, but I've only revealed what I felt I needed to reveal. If there's anything you want me to talk about, ask me.
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Post #797 (isolation #53) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:01 pm
Postby Trojan Horse »
In post 789, SleepyKrew wrote:Also Quil said the way Trojan went about his early interactions with me (about me not RVSing) reminded him of scum Trojan, and Reck was on board with that.
So, you're going to use meta from a game I played three years ago to conclude that I am scum?
You are right about one thing though. That game was on my mind at the start of this one. That game taught me a lesson: townies scumhunt right off the bat. I held back from scumhunting, and thus I was caught as scum.
That first post from you made me think you were doing the same thing I did in that game.
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Post #800 (isolation #54) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:06 pm
Postby Trojan Horse »
SleepyKrew wrote:Oh piguy I wasn't saying "fuck that Nacho stuff it sucks", I was saying "fuck, I forgot about that Nacho read stuff while I was making my panicky shitcase on Trojan".
And right now my brain can seriously not tell me whether that inconsistency is worth a vote, or if it was possibly just a mistake by a town Thor. It also cannot tell me how I should feel about Trojan not presenting his finding in anything remotely close to how I'd expect a townie in his position to present it.
I'm just relaying what my teammates have found. I didn't catch it when it happened.
I'm getting mixed signals from my team as to whether SK is scummy or not. SK, Tammy wants you to help lynch real scum, and she says that... Waffles isn't happy right now? She says you'd know what that means.
In post 800, Trojan Horse wrote:I'm just relaying what my teammates have found. I didn't catch it when it happened.
but
If it looks like you're about to be a compromise deadline lynch
And one of your teammates points out this glaring inconsistency on another potential lynchee
Why wouldn't you throw your whole weight behind it? Why would you just casually throw it in with a weak reason and something unrelated instead of PROCLAIMING IT to the HIGH HEAVENS?
Uh... it was just another piece of the case against Thor. I didn't think it was worth THAT much of an emotional response.
Just in case I get lynched while I'm asleep, here's a summary of my teammate's scumreads:
Tammy's scumreads: thor, deltawave, egg, micc/vp. Mala and sthar are lesser reads.
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Post #828 (isolation #58) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 3:04 am
Postby Trojan Horse »
I'm here. Looks like all of my team's top scumreads have piled onto me, except for the absent Thor. Not surprised.
Delta: it's 5-5 now. Thor and I are both at L-2. If that "L-1" was an attempt to gauge people's reactions... sorry to spoil the game, but we don't have time for games now.
Thor is obviously going to vote for me if he is available, so that leaves Fen and Mala. Any questions you want to ask? I'm around until deadline.
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Post #829 (isolation #59) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 3:26 am
Postby Trojan Horse »
SK: since my team is convinced that Thor is scum, they saw your recent push against me as attempt to save a scumbuddy. But you've now voted Thor, so that shoots down that idea.
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Post #831 (isolation #60) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 3:30 am
Postby Trojan Horse »
I would join a Boon wagon as a last resort, but I don't think it's going to happen. Besides, Thor is much likelier to be scum than Boon. A hider and a bodyguard in the same game? I just don't see it.